|
Mustang67
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 954,
Visits: 0
|
For the next U16's qualifiers next month Nepal were replaced-band due to a failed MRI test of one of there players. This is a good thing as all we want is a fair playing field. It would be hard to know in some of these country's as to the real age of some of the players so the MRI test would be the only way.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Barca4Life
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 13K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+xgrazorblade wrote:RedKat wrote:What number are we up to on "the next Kewell"? well to be fair we have had a huge number of talented injury prone players so the predictions of the next harry kewell has had some truth in it From what we have seen from him the kids has got certain qualities to classify him as what Han Berger would say is a 'match winner' the kid has got the ability to create something from nothing with his quick feet and dangerous left foot so he's an exciting talent, but like any young player they need to work hard on their game and not live up to the hype they have been given and just rely on talent. Also he needs to avoid getting injured too as this has happened to previous players who have had similar hype. Decentric disagrees with me with this but this kid reminds me a bit of Tom Rogic although he has a low center of gravity as he isnt as tall and lanky like Rogic but this can glide players he's just a bit inconsistent at doing at it given his age. It would be very keen to see what he and the rest of the joeys against the likes of Japan etc in september. Edited by Barca4life: 30/7/2016 07:02:37 PM I don't disagree with you on Brook having talent. I'm just reluctant to make big calls on kids at 16. They don't need the pressure of being vaunted as the next big thing. I'm surprised Tony Vidmar has actually gone public on Brook's and D'Arrigo's talents. I was reading an article where many players from around the globe who've starred in underage World Cups fade out a few years later . Some even even quit pro football prematurely. Thats a fair call about judging young players too early and all of a sudden they feel the pressure to live up to their potential its not easy to judge but we can all agree on here that the current joeys are a talented bunch
|
|
|
|
|
Gayfish
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 3.3K,
Visits: 0
|
:)
|
|
|
|
|
Barca4Life
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 13K,
Visits: 0
|
I read Nick D'Agostino is on trial with belgian club RKC Genk if he joins them he will join of the likes Deng who is at Jong PSV, Kalik (Hajduk Split), De Silva (Roda JC) and Gersbach at Rosenberg, im sure if there any other overseas we know but thats a promising list of overseas based players and apart from Deng the rest of them are playing first team football.
It appears the current young socceroos bunch is quite promising, hopefully Gombau joining Okon can get the best out of them in the AFC qualies and qualify for the world cup later this year.
|
|
|
|
|
TheSelectFew
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 30K,
Visits: 0
|
+xI read Nick D'Agostino is on trial with belgian club RKC Genk if he joins them he will join of the likes Deng who is at Jong PSV, Kalik (Hajduk Split), De Silva (Roda JC) and Gersbach at Rosenberg, im sure if there any other overseas we know but thats a promising list of overseas based players and apart from Deng the rest of them are playing first team football. It appears the current young socceroos bunch is quite promising, hopefully Gombau joining Okon can get the best out of them in the AFC qualies and qualify for the world cup later this year. Interesting
|
|
|
|
|
Jonsnow
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 783,
Visits: 0
|
Dagastino has not been picked for past 2 u19s camps , makes you wonder about selection policy?
|
|
|
|
|
CharlieYankos
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 289,
Visits: 0
|
+x+xExcuse my ignorance but does the MRI reveal age? I believe it does, yes. According to this source, this is how it works: 4. By using MRI to scan the wrist, it is possible to verify the age of players or athletes to ensure they are within the specified age limit in sports competitions. The technique looks at the degree of fusion of the distal radial physis using a grading system that correlates with the player's age. As age increases, so does the fusion grading.
5. MRI can determine age below or over 17 with a certainty of 99%. In other words, since all the Golden Eaglets players at the just concluded U-17 FIFA World Cup were subjected to MRI test, there is only 1% chance that any of the players is older than 17 years. well that source clearly has no understanding of statistics. the fact that they all passed does not mean that there is only 1% chance that any of the players is older than 17... the calculation of such a chance is more complicated than that and I cant be bothered doing it (you need to know how many of them were tested).... maybe a statistician forumite will do it.. but I can tell you that this 1% figure is false..
|
|
|
|
|
TheSelectFew
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 30K,
Visits: 0
|
U19s about start their AFF journey in 5 days time. Any idea on what the team will look like?
|
|
|
|
|
walnuts
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 10K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+x+xExcuse my ignorance but does the MRI reveal age? I believe it does, yes. According to this source, this is how it works: 4. By using MRI to scan the wrist, it is possible to verify the age of players or athletes to ensure they are within the specified age limit in sports competitions. The technique looks at the degree of fusion of the distal radial physis using a grading system that correlates with the player's age. As age increases, so does the fusion grading.
5. MRI can determine age below or over 17 with a certainty of 99%. In other words, since all the Golden Eaglets players at the just concluded U-17 FIFA World Cup were subjected to MRI test, there is only 1% chance that any of the players is older than 17 years. well that source clearly has no understanding of statistics. the fact that they all passed does not mean that there is only 1% chance that any of the players is older than 17... the calculation of such a chance is more complicated than that and I cant be bothered doing it (you need to know how many of them were tested).... maybe a statistician forumite will do it.. but I can tell you that this 1% figure is false.. Most likely, but it does give a simple, layman's explanation as to what the wrist MRI looks for. I wasn't really interested in any of the other stats from what is not really a medical source.
|
|
|
|
ryan2008
|
|
Group: Banned Members
Posts: 4K,
Visits: 0
|
+xI read Nick D'Agostino is on trial with belgian club RKC Genk if he joins them he will join of the likes Deng who is at Jong PSV, Kalik (Hajduk Split), De Silva (Roda JC) and Gersbach at Rosenberg, im sure if there any other overseas we know but thats a promising list of overseas based players and apart from Deng the rest of them are playing first team football. It appears the current young socceroos bunch is quite promising, hopefully Gombau joining Okon can get the best out of them in the AFC qualies and qualify for the world cup later this year. I was just reading something about a potential loan, but I assume if he impresses they'll buy him outright. He probably wouldn't cost much, but he has a professional contract now with the Roar. He's keen to head to Europe. It'll rule him out of this AFF either way, wanted to see more of him.
|
|
|
|
ryan2008
|
|
Group: Banned Members
Posts: 4K,
Visits: 0
|
+xU19s about start their AFF journey in 5 days time. Any idea on what the team will look like? I assume they will base it off the last camp largely, plus whoever else has impressed in the last year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_national_under-20_soccer_team#Current_squadSomeone like Pasquali should make it even though he's what, 17 this year. Throw in the players from the u17's last year too.
|
|
|
|
|
Jonsnow
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 783,
Visits: 0
|
The u19s are going into another camp on Monday in Sydney , I don't know when this AFF comp is been played but it's def not next week , might be at start of September . Same players as last camp , game v WSW or FC
|
|
|
|
ryan2008
|
|
Group: Banned Members
Posts: 4K,
Visits: 0
|
+xThe u19s are going into another camp on Monday in Sydney , I don't know when this AFF comp is been played but it's def not next week , might be at start of September .Same players as last camp , game v WSW or FC 12 September is our first game. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_AFF_U-19_Youth_Championship
|
|
|
|
|
Barca4Life
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 13K,
Visits: 0
|
+xThe u19s are going into another camp on Monday in Sydney , I don't know when this AFF comp is been played but it's def not next week , might be at start of September .Same players as last camp , game v WSW or FC Is Gombau going to be involved in this camp?
|
|
|
|
|
TheSelectFew
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 30K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+xThe u19s are going into another camp on Monday in Sydney , I don't know when this AFF comp is been played but it's def not next week , might be at start of September .Same players as last camp , game v WSW or FC Is Gombau going to be involved in this camp? Has he been confirmed or is this just a rumour?
|
|
|
|
|
Barca4Life
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 13K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+x+xThe u19s are going into another camp on Monday in Sydney , I don't know when this AFF comp is been played but it's def not next week , might be at start of September .Same players as last camp , game v WSW or FC Is Gombau going to be involved in this camp? Has he been confirmed or is this just a rumour? I read on somewhere that he was coming in August..don't know thats why im asking Jonsnow? :D
|
|
|
|
|
Jonsnow
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 783,
Visits: 0
|
End of August I believe , I would imagine he would be with this u19 team and work with them until the 2020 Tokyo olympics , assuming they qualify of course , where this leaves PO I'm not sure , has got a really difficult task ahead in the AFC finals in Bahrain . Many players will probs not be realeased by European clubs for this tounament and some of the young A league players are injured atm.
|
|
|
|
|
Mustang67
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 954,
Visits: 0
|
Lets hope they fix the pitch at the Vietnam youth Acedemy it was shocking last year. Funny how Vietnam are playing all their game across the road at the stadium which is quality. So we have to tournaments to look forward to at the same time U19's and U16's. cant wait.
|
|
|
|
|
TheSelectFew
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 30K,
Visits: 0
|
+xLets hope they fix the pitch at the Vietnam youth Acedemy it was shocking last year. Funny how Vietnam are playing all their game across the road at the stadium which is quality. So we have to tournaments to look forward to at the same time U19's and U16's. cant wait. Then we switch to the AFC Championships, qualifiers for the WCs.
|
|
|
|
|
Barca4Life
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 13K,
Visits: 0
|
The Young Socceroos played WSW yesterday, they lead 1-0 at HT but in the end they lost 4-1 at FT.
The sooner Gombau comes in the better please, i don't think Paul Okon is capable enough.
|
|
|
|
|
De-Jong
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 147,
Visits: 0
|
It's not Okons fault he has an inexperienced team. Only two A- league players Mells and Rose. Mells also not there again.
|
|
|
|
|
Mustang67
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 954,
Visits: 0
|
+xThe Young Socceroos played WSW yesterday, they lead 1-0 at HT but in the end they lost 4-1 at FT. The sooner Gombau comes in the better please, i don't think Paul Okon is capable enough. Did they play WSW senior youth squad or the 20's?
|
|
|
|
|
kaufusi
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 2.6K,
Visits: 0
|
Half the wanderers youth team were playing for the Young Socceroos. Lachlan Scott scored the goal for the Joeys and then crumbled in the second half. Sotirio scored a brace i think for WSW.
WSW seemed to have a much older squad than the YS on paper, but that's based on my recollections of their corresponding ages and could be wrong.
|
|
|
|
|
Jonsnow
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 783,
Visits: 0
|
Watched game and must say very disappointed with u19s Terrible in Defence , slow in transition , passing was all over the place , players looked as if they had just met one another this week ( which is probs the fact) Don't know if we can blame Okon as 3/4 of the squad that played in Laos are either injured , overseas or not realeased by clubs . Looks a very disjointed operation 2 months out from Aisian cup , not sure if Gombau will be silver bullet unless he can call in all of the best 97 and 98 born which is doubtful .
|
|
|
|
|
Mustang67
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 954,
Visits: 0
|
+xWatched game and must say very disappointed with u19s Terrible in Defence , slow in transition , passing was all over the place , players looked as if they had just met one another this week ( which is probs the fact)Don't know if we can blame Okon as 3/4 of the squad that played in Laos are either injured , overseas or not realeased by clubs .Looks a very disjointed operation 2 months out from Aisian cup , not sure if Gombau will be silver bullet unless he can call in all of the best 97 and 98 born which is doubtful . Would be just a practice/trial you would think could not judge okon on this at all. All you hope for is that he has all the best players available for the qualifiers.
|
|
|
|
|
Barca4Life
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 13K,
Visits: 0
|
+xWatched game and must say very disappointed with u19s Terrible in Defence , slow in transition , passing was all over the place , players looked as if they had just met one another this week ( which is probs the fact)Don't know if we can blame Okon as 3/4 of the squad that played in Laos are either injured , overseas or not realeased by clubs .Looks a very disjointed operation 2 months out from Aisian cup , not sure if Gombau will be silver bullet unless he can call in all of the best 97 and 98 born which is doubtful . Real concerning if going by your run down of the game, if they are disjointed like they are they need a lot of work in the next 2 months or else they are in for a big surprise. Its a shame given the squad is quite talented and also the overseas guys to come in and make it even more stronger but if they perform what hope so they have?
|
|
|
|
|
quickflick
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 6.1K,
Visits: 0
|
Can Okon be evaluated on the basis of the results and the way they've played since he was put in charge of these sides, however?
|
|
|
|
|
Jonsnow
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 783,
Visits: 0
|
No , how can you judge someone on results if you don't provide the best players ? Look at all the other Asian team squad and you will note the consistent squads / players . Koreans have played in four tournaments since Laos , Japanese have played in 6 Aus are having trials atm 2 months out from tournament . Ffs what do we expect ?
|
|
|
|
|
Barca4Life
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 13K,
Visits: 0
|
+xNo , how can you judge someone on results if you don't provide the best players ?Look at all the other Asian team squad and you will note the consistent squads / players . Koreans have played in four tournaments since Laos , Japanese have played in 6 Aus are having trials atm 2 months out from tournament . Ffs what do we expect ? It looks unprofessional, and then we question why cant we qualify through Asia at youth level anymore...
|
|
|
|
|
Enzo Bearzot
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 4.5K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+xExcuse my ignorance but does the MRI reveal age? I believe it does, yes. According to this source, this is how it works: 4. By using MRI to scan the wrist, it is possible to verify the age of players or athletes to ensure they are within the specified age limit in sports competitions. The technique looks at the degree of fusion of the distal radial physis using a grading system that correlates with the player's age. As age increases, so does the fusion grading.
5. MRI can determine age below or over 17 with a certainty of 99%. In other words, since all the Golden Eaglets players at the just concluded U-17 FIFA World Cup were subjected to MRI test, there is only 1% chance that any of the players is older than 17 years. There are serious doubts being raised regarding the validity of wrist MRI's to determine chronologic age. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dear-fifa-there-is-no-scientific-test-to-prevent-age-fraud/
|
|
|
|