2-2  now ffs

I love YouTube comment streams. 

Lost all 3 points. Kill me now 

Playing like fucking retards. 

Vidmar is part of an international betting syndicate. Surely. 

Or are all our youth teams really this fucking shit? 

Beyond disgraceful. So many turnovers.

Was Roberts born in Australia? If so, it's almost impossible to fake a birth date.

What nationality is his ancestry?

The only fucken retard is you you fucken low life scum. You do realise that there 14 15 16 year old kids given it their best shot. What have you ever done that worth anything you prick.

Again, at no point am I blaming the kids the set up is completely wrong. Take it out on a punching bag. Fuck sake.

So your comment. .. playing like retards ..is not blaming the kids? Fuck off and man up. There are parents that read your shit that wouldn't appreciate it. 

Hold on a minute. At no point did I single anyone out. I have maintained throughout every comment that I think Vidmar is clueless continually trying to force something that isn't there instead of playing Angeball. You read into it whatever you like. Goodnight.

it's there in black and white for all to see. Like I said the only retard is you. 

I clearly stated throughout this entire thread. You are clearly taking it personal that you think I was referring to the players. Maybe I should have been more clear but I thought my contention was clear. Clearly that's not that case despite the fact that it was outlined throughout this whole entire fucking thread.

Take your meds pops.

And another question. Considering the high rate of OS Aussies not going through the Aussie system is our Curriculum a load of FFA rubish? It's looking like it. Especially when we are still making long balls.

What can we say for all the promise we have seen from them it has delivered virtually nothing, with nothing to play for at least they can play with a point to prove against Japan who have scored like 15 goals in the first two games.
I guess winning the AFF Cup against these teams meaning nothing in the end.

But surely this has to question the effectiveness of the national curriculum if its really improved our players, how could the FFA sell the message to the coaches and TDs and the time making sure that it can make any sort of impact on the next generation of players when we get results like this?

It seems they continue to fall down technically and tactically and it also we have to question the mental toughness or preparation they have been receiving in the FFA Centre of Excellence...surely the mockery of calling it a centre of excellence is questionable when they lose to the likes of Kyrgyzstan and Vietnam.

Serious questions are needed to be asked as to why they failed but also question what sort of effectiveness is our new development system is having on our players, because the way i see it i don't much has changed in the last 6 years...

Eric Abrams doesnt realised how gigantic his task is after seeing the results and quality of young players coming through.

Even if the majority of these kids have gone through various SAP programs they still fall down technically and tactically against the likes of Vietnam or Kyrgyzstan which is quite a worry given we have tried to close our weak technical gap, it probably shows even with these kind of programs we are still quite behind most of Asia in that regard.
Alot more needs to be done to close the technical gap.

Also the style of play we are playing where we want our teams to be pro-active rather reactive means unless your players and tactically very well coached it can work but it seems like the players are also tactically behind too, their inability to read the game to cover their teammate, when to push forward, to make a certain diagonal run or when know when to speed up or slow the game down didn't show what so ever.
Perhaps we need to look at our approach which goes back to the NC and see what we to do to improve our results are youth level but also the quality of young players coming through whom have a strong enough tech. and tactical base.

Coaching and the overall development environment to me a glaring issues which we have not addressed well enough or need a lot more work.

Not one for making excuses but do ye think the weather has got anything to do with proformance?
We are coming off winter and playing in pretty oppressive heat and humidity .
Just a thought

shame about the results this tournament

will be interesting to see the trajectory of some of these guys senior careers

itll be also interesting to hear the new TDs opinion on things
he is from a different nationality and provides an alternative voice. He has claimed that there needs to be more focus on bpo at youth level and not just bp whereas hans berger regarded bpo something you can catch up on at senior level
having said that the ntc is just the philosophy

1. all excerizes to involve a small number of players and a ball so there are lots of touches per day
2. no full sided games until they are older so they get more touches on the ball
3. All fitness training to involve a ball at people's feet
4. selection criteria based on technique over size, fitness and age
5. play a possession based game at all youth levels
are there other points I've missed?

what do people take to be controversial in the above?
You could argue that maybe that we paid too much for such simple advice when there are greater problems elsewhere. In a sense the ffa seem to be implying that the more pressing problems are elsewhere in focusing on more full time youth

they won't be used to it and will be less fit than the youth we were producing half a dozen years ago when fitness and physicality were more emphasized

Fair enough tsf did take it personally as it's hard to see your son's hard work and effort amount to this. Hard to watch to say the least. 
There will be a lot of questions asked as there should be. Will need all those med's over the next few day. 

Well , another big game Thursday night for U19s v Veitnam
Assuming we beat Laos Tonight we will finish second in group B and play winner of group A (Veitnam )
Thailand v Timor Leste in other semi , if things go to script we could end up with another crack at the Thais in the final.

To be fair I think "playing like %$& retards" is way out of line regardless of what else has been said since some of the kids will read this forum

well those in charge of the ntc say that results at youth level don't matter. There is no time that needs to be true more than now....lets hope their careers follow a much better trajectory than this tournament

Bang on the money.

Agree, Grazor.

Even though the perpetrator saying this has done a wonderful job setting up this entire thread - one of the best to appear on the 442 forum.

This thread  is also the main reason why many of us, certainly in my case, are accessing these games which are so under promoted by FFA. I have a lot of time for The Select Few, despite this error of judgment..

One has to remember that the players playing are only kids of 14, 15 or 16 years of age. They are not adult senior professional players. I'd reason if a player is 18 and playing  football for a living on  a pro contract, then they are more susceptible and more deserved of public criticism.

I certainly appreciate, as I'm sure many of us do, the input from the parents of some of  these young Aussie international team footballers. Hopefully, they remain as active members on this forum. I've really appreciated their unique insights the rest of us don't have. 

Yes as you say a statement that reads as calling a bunch of non-professional kids %$&# retards doesn't look well but is hopefully read by parents as a mere lapse in judgement given his support for youth as evidenced by his starting this thread

Having said that, as a lifelong supporter of QLD state of origin team I'm not a fan of criticizing players at any level. I've never heard QLDers attack the players after a game with the exception of DCE for off field reasons. I think that is a big part of QLDs mental strength in punching above their weight for decades. Its always luck and the refs fault and our players are always amazing but privately behind closed doors systems and coaching gets questioned and hopefully improved

My question I guess I have is - is the CoE serving its' purpose? 15 out of the 23 man squad are from the CoE program, so a significant proportion. Are these boys missing out by not being in a 'proper' club environment from a younger age? Also, is there a distinct NSW bias in the squads? Only reason I bring that up is that, out of the 23 man squad, only two players come from clubs outside of NSW. It might quite well be the case that the best players are based in NSW, but this does seem disproportionate to me.

Not faulting the boys at all - they're doing a sterling job in trying conditions. However, I do think questions need to be asked of the structures that they are playing with and even the selections processes. Maybe one of the parents who has a child at the tournament can shed light on some of these things?

Fair questions.

I've only watched  the  Vietnam game where the two Aussie goals were scored by Roberts. One was a headed goal from a corner and the other was from a shocking Thai  defensive mistake, but to his credit he still converted.

The performance from what I've viewed, so far, is a vast improvement on the Krygystan game. The game was very scrappy against K. The Aussie under 16s played circulation football again against Vietnam, dominating territory and possession.

Technical stuff was quite good from Oz.

One  issue I  have, and it has also occurred with the under 19s, is the lack of intensity and desperation in  penalty box defending and general 1v1 ball winning. Too often in both teams full back shave been rounded. Having said this  a RB or right CB just executed a nice side tackle on a Vietnamese player who broke through a previous Aussie in the  penalty box. This prevented an effective shot. 

At senior level the Socceroos usually dominate the opposition in 1v1s. Players like Milligan, Jedinak , any of the current CBs, even Mooy, Luongo, Rogic, Leckie, Juric, are all excellent 1v1 exponents. 


In  the under 16s, the tall   number 3 put in a crunching tackle. It was   sliding one, that really unsettled his opponent. It was beautifully timed, off the correct foot. Then he delivered a forceful, hard , shoulder barge, on the right, knocking his opponent flying - excellent stuff! The Vietnamese player recovered quickly and executed  a beautiful sliding tackle to win the ball back fairly. This upset our number 3.

 I'd like to see all of our players display this ball winning muscularity in the under 16s. Quite a number  of our  under 19s need to lift too. 

At any given time any of the powerhouses, particularly in Europe, will have underage teams that will lose games they expected to win.

In such events, one needs to ask, do they change their entire national curriculum?

The answer is an emphatic no.

In the past, the FFA Technical Department has concluded that the old system, prior to 2005, was very effective in producing players from clubs, who were in club scenarios that prepared them to be very match ready for underage international comps.

However, over time, the same   players were considered  not to have developed sufficiently  to be  as effective senior players as FFA would've liked. This is also attributed as a major reason Australia had 32 years without qualifying for World Cups - not just a difficult pathway. Many think Asia is fairer, but not easier.