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thailand show their finishing can be as bad as australia

seriously though there is a lot to like about this u15 outfit but i dont understand why we cant finish

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last two chances going thais way after some embarrasing moments

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Holding Bidfielder - 9 Jul 2017 7:37 PM
We look good going forward but very suspect defensively

you should have seen us 2 years ago our defence was non existent

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mistake riddled period here

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Halftime? 40 minute halves?
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maxxie - 9 Jul 2017 7:42 PM
Halftime? 40 minute halves?

Yeah must be? Very confusing otherwise haha
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walnuts - 9 Jul 2017 7:43 PM
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Yeah must be? Very confusing otherwise haha

Maybe the ref just really had to go
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grazorblade - 9 Jul 2017 7:41 PM
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you should have seen us 2 years ago our defence was non existent

Very true, there is a clear improvement between that group and this one.

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At least we contining to improve technically, still so misplaced passes around but then again they only 15 year olds.

Thailand's goal came from the GK trying to play and hit it straight to the opposing player and scored on a 1v1.

Didnt know Terry Antonis had a younger brother, the No.10 is him.
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Is the style we are playing, we look skinny at the back, they always try to hit us when we have 3 in defensive transition and they have 4 or 5 
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Barca4Life - 9 Jul 2017 7:45 PM
At least we contining to improve technically, still so misplaced passes around but then again they only 15 year olds.

Thailand's goal came from the GK trying to play and hit it straight to the opposing player and scored on a 1v1.

Didnt know Terry Antonis had a younger brother, the No.10 is him.

this gk probably has the weekest distribution of a youth rep I've seen for a while but their saves and dominance of the pen area is better

as you say the rest of the team seems to be improving including 1v1 defence

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grazorblade - 9 Jul 2017 7:50 PM
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this gk probably has the weekest distribution of a youth rep I've seen for a while but their saves and dominance of the pen area is better

as you say the rest of the team seems to be improving including 1v1 defence

At least thats important, more stronger 1v1 in defense compared to the last group which was weak in that regard.
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a string of good chances for austrlalia

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about 4 of thailands chances have come from distribution errors from our goalie....

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and we hit an own goal to probably lose the match

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This curriculum bullshit mixed with Vidmars incompetence is giving me nightmares. The game plan is getting changed in game ffs. This is what you do before the tournament starts, not during the opening match. Dumbfuck. 


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Red card. Done. 


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we really fell apart at the end of both halves

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Hmmmmm





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Missed the second half, what happened? It seems like the same old...
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Barca4Life - 9 Jul 2017 8:43 PM
Missed the second half, what happened? It seems like the same old...

Yes. Same old. 


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Yes. Same old. 

Even they were some promising things that i saw in the first half still losing to the likes of Thailand, Vietnam is becoming a common occurrence sadly.
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Nothing to see here.Unfortunately business as usual.
Still struggling in many aspects of the game against third world countries.A few individual skills,but not much else to suggest anything has changed.This is the new normal for Australian football it seems.

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some promising signs in technical development but three things in particular standout. We are poor finishers at all levels (apart from rogic and maybe mooy), our defensive organization is sloppy at all levels and we are one of the most mistake prone nations in the world

the fact that our defensive organization is week at youth level is excusable if our philosophy is to focus on individual skills until they hit senior level (the poor defensive organization at a league level is less excusable)
the fact that we are one of the more mistake prone nations out there is probably just a consequence of our short season length

its weird though that for all the focus on individual skill finishing - arguably the most important skill - is not improving. This is a real problem because it makes us frustrating to watch at all levels.

We also faded substantially at the end of both halves which probably is a fitness/crazy thai heat thing. That can improve with age

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grazorblade - 9 Jul 2017 9:02 PM
some promising signs in technical development but three things in particular standout. We are poor finishers at all levels (apart from rogic and maybe mooy), our defensive organization is sloppy at all levels and we are one of the most mistake prone nations in the world

the fact that our defensive organization is week at youth level is excusable if our philosophy is to focus on individual skills until they hit senior level (the poor defensive organization at a league level is less excusable)
the fact that we are one of the more mistake prone nations out there is probably just a consequence of our short season length

its weird though that for all the focus on individual skill finishing - arguably the most important skill - is not improving. This is a real problem because it makes us frustrating to watch at all levels.

We also faded substantially at the end of both halves which probably is a fitness/crazy thai heat thing. That can improve with age

Rogic is not a good finisher overall, he scores great goals but blazes away a lot and misses by miles. Troisi might be the best.
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Gruen - 9 Jul 2017 9:21 PM
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Rogic is not a good finisher overall, he scores great goals but blazes away a lot and misses by miles. Troisi might be the best.

1 in 4 is quite good for the role he plays, he isn't the sort of player who'll score poachers goals because it isn't his role in the team. He creates and takes his chances from distance better than most. Especially compared to Mr Row Z Troisi.
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I'm not too fussed if we aren't solid defensively yet at u15. If you watch any underage tournament defensive structure and coordination is always lacking. The biggest thing is if we are able to break down a press and pass through the lines. 

A couple of Gen's ago we really struggled in that department, though last tournament 2 years ago was a bit better. Didn't watch but it seems like they have improved a bit more which is a promising sign. 
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grazorblade - 9 Jul 2017 9:02 PM
some promising signs in technical development but three things in particular standout. We are poor finishers at all levels (apart from rogic and maybe mooy), our defensive organization is sloppy at all levels and we are one of the most mistake prone nations in the world

the fact that our defensive organization is week at youth level is excusable if our philosophy is to focus on individual skills until they hit senior level (the poor defensive organization at a league level is less excusable)
the fact that we are one of the more mistake prone nations out there is probably just a consequence of our short season length

its weird though that for all the focus on individual skill finishing - arguably the most important skill - is not improving. This is a real problem because it makes us frustrating to watch at all levels.

We also faded substantially at the end of both halves which probably is a fitness/crazy thai heat thing. That can improve with age

So nothing really promising. You started off listing the possibilities than listed a whole heap of faults. 


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To be honest ,it still looks like we are playing a system beyond our level of competence.Just like the Socceroos..
I just can't get past the notion that you keep doing the same thing over and over again,eventhough it leads to the same mistakes over and over again.
It's bloody mindedness that fails to acknowledge the lack of ability of players to execute and I don't understand where it ends?If you don't adapt to the players ability ,what can you possibly achieve?
Logically training with repetition,makes you learn technique .But there are always limitations,which are linked to the recipients abilities.No matter how much you practice ,most people won't become another Ronaldo or Messi.
I guess the big question is at what point do you know whether a player can't improve or adapt to a particulr system?

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crimsoncrusoe - 9 Jul 2017 11:07 PM
To be honest ,it still looks like we are playing a system beyond our level of competence.Just like the Socceroos.. I just can't get past the notion that you keep doing the same thing over and over again,eventhough it leads to the same mistakes over and over again. It's bloody mindedness that fails to acknowledge the lack of ability of players to execute and I don't understand where it ends?If you don't adapt to the players ability ,what can you possibly achieve? Logically training with repetition,makes you learn technique .But there are always limitations,which are linked to the recipients abilities.No matter how much you practice ,most people won't become another Ronaldo or Messi. I guess the big question is at what point do you know whether a player can't improve or adapt to a particulr system?

Its been accuring problem for ahile now ever since we have gone down this 'proactive' path, we are now playing a certain way and with that you take the risks with you, of course at youth level you will get found out more than in the seniors but of course we have seen it with Ange and how much risk hes prepared to take.

Thats the national approach rightly or wrongly, this is the direction the FFA and Ange wants.
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