It could be the fact that most if not all young players are not in full time environment where coaches have the time to work on all aspects of the game. Os there are kid In full time academy's from as young as 12 this would have to help. 

That's what the ais was for... 

It was but I'm saying even younger then that. 

And not just for 23 kids either

to be fair i dont think we have even been great at finishing though the golden gen were passable

The way I think of it is there are different types of technique. Passing with both sides of the foot and take ons have definitely improved out of sight. First touch and handling speed have also improved substantially. Power has gone backwards(according to benjamin. This is how hard we hit our passes as well as our ability to make switches. Long diagonal passes rather than long balls). 1v1 defence has gone alarmingly backwards at youth level under the theory that it can be learnt as an adult. The portrugese TD disagreed and put emphasis on this and I've seen improvement. Finishing is another part of technique which was woefully poor for kids born in the 80s and early 90s. The NTC has done little or nothing to improve this for kids born in the late 90s early 00s
we certainly do less individual work than the germans I've heard. Not sure if thats where the issue lies
I think we need outside help to improve this. Employ a TD or at least a consultant who specializes on teaching kids how to finish. Get them to not just teach kids but youth coaches as well. The reason is the best finishers we have ever had were the golden gen and even they weren't great.

Good points there Grazorblade, it seems individual development has been neglected or even not emphasised enough.  I can understand the sceptic's side of things when they critique the NC in terms of the training techniques and many have also said that it needs to evolve further also.

And the thing with the FFA and its technical department, we not so sure if they have identified this issue of improvement in the NC.

It also doesn't help when there have been issues of implementation but we know its normal especially in the early stages, right now everyone should on the same hymn sheet after all of these years but anyway i think we can agree that the FFA NC needs some refining on its techniques and what it should focus on. 

good point a out the implementation. If we implemented this uniformly then perhaps by law of large numbers there would be some who are by pure luck and talent good finishers in a large crop of technically gifted players. I'd like to do better than that and have the curriculum emphasize finishing more explicitly than it does

I have a 00 kid.......
We have gone over this countless times fellas.
As much as I love seeing a team work its craft on getting to the subjective - scoring goals ! I've watched the decline and morally of many good individual prospects who would be considered as "game changers" if allowed some freedom to play their own game in certain circumstances, instead they get/got berated for not playing the easy ball at the time.
This is not of my own but of talented promising attack minded kids I've watched over the last 5yrs.
Training does not have any shooting practice, constant small sided games, yep we definitely need that but we can have all the possession in the world means nothing if you can't score goals to win games. (Liverpool for eg this season)...
Grazor, yep we have never had outstanding high scoring frontmen that you wonder why but maybe its because the opponents are that better in defense and we just arn't good enough possibly even going from way way back.
We have created the chances BUT never have somewhere there taking the good portion of chance.

And this works the other way. So many talented kids were bypassed in yerteryear because the were not big enough, strong enough, fast enough, fit enough. I wonder how a Courtinho would've gone growing up in Australia in years gone by, would he have been picked in our national sides
Look at our golden generation, how many actually were good on the ball or had vision or a deadly first touch (Dukes, H & Bresc, yes), the others were harden professionals who were physically good, strong tackler like Moore, great in the air like Cahill or fit & fast like Emerton.

As for Liverpool you still have plodders like Henderson in your side & it's your goal defending more then your goal scoring that is the problem.

robbos, the talented smaller/lighter built ones are still being over looked at YL level.
The elite get selected obviously to the top clubs but in general PL2/3 few get through trials trust me - size/brawn still matters to the selectors purely on getting the wins/points at the detriment of the more skilful player weighing less, over the years watching I just shake my head.
haha, the Pool scenario is boths ends I'm afraid, most if not all games to date incl this morns CL, possession @ 64% 16shots 6 on target and the countless cross's etc means jack shit if not taking more of the chances created as we know and alas, a poorly defended spot kick the keeper errored should have been covered but yes overall defensively we suck and that also wins games as we know - double edged sword.
 

Qatar U20's update
Qatar 2-Aus 0
Croatia 2- Aus 0
Not getting rewarded for good performances. Dominated Croatia game & deserved more v Qatar
twitter.com/grimaud_john/status/913020517925273601?s=09

u20 finished 3-3 against Japan. Good the boys were able to get on the board.

Believe they play Japan again for 3rd and 4th on the following day. 

Why haven't the FFA are not bothered to mention the Young Socceroos tour or even a squad? Just not good enough, when many other FA's around the world do it all time. 

its crazy that training your kid has experienced has so little shooting practice

keep the small sided games. I'm loving the new technique. But I'm sick of looking as good as world class teams until the ball gets near either goal where we look second rate

I suspect there is an art to teaching youth how to be good front men and we just ahve never had the coaching expertise

As do the FFA normally for most aff and afc tournaments to be fair 

More to do with DFAT. Qatar is excluded by various other M/E oil exporting nations. They have also withdrawn from the Gulf Cup to be held in Qatar later this year

I read the FFA NC and found they do a fair chunk of its training exercises on game related training and very little on isolated training which has a focus on the basics such as shooting and crossing.

Maybe Decentric could explain this. 

In Germany they now spend about 50% of time on individual skill training and the rest on team structure and development.

Reading the comments here is interesting. There are some astute observations. The only one that is implausible is that there was any great system before 2005 in Oz other than the original days of the NTC which worked quite well for a while. The NSL also had youth players who were tournament ready.

In world football,  and Dutch football  in particular,  which has such  far reaching ramifications, through Ajax and Barcelona's methodology, there appears to be the Van Gaal school versus the Cruyff school.

Cruyff was committed to developing players in a system  more like the current Germans, and Brazil. In these systems there is such an onus on developing individual skill. Then these players have more scope to be creative and play with less coaching direction.

 The Van Gaal school is totally focused on the team being paramount. The coach becomes the most important entity in the team.

Cruyff's ideology seems eminently  plausible, but Van Gaal has had a lot more success as a coach. The current Dutch national team has floundered relatively, just before and after Van Gaal's recent incredibly successful tenure. Few other coaches have been as  good as Van Gaal in the coach being the architect of success and value adding to  the cattle he has. 

The current FFA thought is that players need to spend more time on individual training away from the training ground with the current players.  

There has been a growing criticism about the methods used in Holland from Cruyff supporters such as like Wim Jonk, I posted something about Cruyff's philosophy in the Performance section, hearing from him I would not mind him if he was our National TD.

The methods Cruyff use have been successful outside of Holland recently, especially In Spain, Belgium and in Germany.

The direction we took was the team model and like you said both are successful within their own right. (Cruyff won alot when he was in charge of FC Barcelona whilst changing the whole system around too) 

Back home, I still think it's a great time now the FFA NC gets a solid review on its training methods, implementation and in general the learnings from the youth teams and how we can further improve.

Is the FFA are attempting in doing that we don't know.

EDIT: We have to ask this fair question, Was the Dutch model (team model) the right choice or should have we pursued a more (individual model) such as what we were pursued in Spain, Germany and in France?
I know we got very close to choosing the french direction under Houllier as the TD but apparently, he pulled out due to his health issues(unconfirmed)

Both share similar methods of play( 4-3-3 as an development formation) but the later seems to focus more on individual work instead? And given the current weaknesses, we have in terms of time of quality players we are not producing enough, it seems we choose the wrong direction? For example, what would have been like if went under the French methodology instead? Hindsight is wonderful we make choices in life....
 
Your thoughts Decentric? 

It is important to keep revising and updating the  any NC.

Compared to what we had, the whole new methodology was mind blowing, but  trends in football constantly change. One big problem I see is now have no senior Technical Director employed by FFA to overhaul and revamp methods predicated on what the powerhouses do.

We have Luke Casserley employed in a less clearly  delineated role for FFA whilst we have no Technical Director.

Young Socceroos had a replay game against Japan. They lost 2-1. They came last... this is disappointing. Not a good sign for upcoming qualification for AFC and WC. 

Think it's a bit early to be disappointed yet... Lads went up against some quality teams and for the most part did well - just struggled with getting on the board. AFC in November will be a lot easier than this tournament - versing HK, Marina Islands and North Korea. 

IMO it is a good sign actually. Now Talay and team and players know what is needed to be fixed prior to next year AFC and WC.

A bit early??? These boys have had at least three camps and two tournaments? They need to be competitive against quality teams. Losing to quality teams and saying its not an issue because we will be versing low quality opponents later is ridiculous. It is not a good sign. It is disappointing. Stop justifying poor performances

Its good our boys are getting to play higher quality opposition and it will expose them on there flaws but it seems to be this group doesn't have the quality to make it to the world cup at this stage.

No one appears to stand out, maybe Pasquali? not much else, but still time for next year though, need to keep on improving.

isnt caletti, mcgree and lachlan brook in this group?

i suppose folami is too

There has been zero FFA reporting of the tournament or results. The team has not been announced so it is hard to know who is in the side. I think Caletti and McGree would be too old. - Don't know the other players. Maybe we could blame the closing of the AIS and our lack of finishing. The coach is next, then our formation and tactics. Then the weather, then its "we controlled the game and dominated but just could not get the result. Like i said, and i really do want them to win, it is disappointing. It was last year and the year before that. We have to build a winning mentality. 

didnt know we'd face Croatia in afc qualifying 

For someone who doesn't know the squad or the context of the tournament you're quite quick to jump to conclusions