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When was the last national NTC challenge? How did the NSW kids go in comparison to the other states.
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Moric only has 5 goals. There was a misconception in this thread that he scored 5 against Singapore but he only got 4. Watch the highlights again if you're not sure. He's wearing number 19. Number 2, Pierias, got 2, and Akbari in 20 and Najjarine in 23 both got 1.
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Robbo wrote:
Watching a few of the streams the boys are playing well , credit to them.

i do believe some perspective is needed. Over a morning coffee I was informed that 1/3 ( 8 players ) of the joeys team is made up of the NSW NTC which just two weeks ago competed in the man cup under 15s tournament. They finished 16 of 20 teams. The NSW NTC team was made up of 2000 born players whereas the big euro teams had players born 2001 through to 2003 in minor cases.


I believe a lot of perspective is needed the Manchester Utd cup format even with shorter games but against much higher quality opposition is a better measure of where our players are at. Historically when NSWIS teams have traveled to Europe they have been very competitive with the top academy's as i am sure this group have been so no change their, however the level of Cambodia and Singapore would be no better than a top u16/17 npl side in Sydney.


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Capac wrote:
When was the last national NTC challenge? How did the NSW kids go in comparison to the other states.


They havnt been to NTC yet, not until December anyway. As a group most would have represented NSW at last years Nationl titles where they finished 2nd to a Qld team that has no representation in the Joeys squad.
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Robbo wrote:
Watching a few of the streams the boys are playing well , credit to them.

i do believe some perspective is needed. Over a morning coffee I was informed that 1/3 ( 8 players ) of the joeys team is made up of the NSW NTC which just two weeks ago competed in the man cup under 15s tournament. They finished 16 of 20 teams. The NSW NTC team was made up of 2000 born players whereas the big euro teams had players born 2001 through to 2003 in minor cases.


Well looking into this I think the results they had are actually a lot better than it would seem from what you heard. They competed in the Manchester United Premier cup which ctually seems like a pretty prestigious tournament. The teams that competed in this are the finalists from around 8000 teams that entered (although only like 10 entered for the pacific qualification), so basically some of the best u15 teams going around.

The reason they also came 16th is because they didn't make it through the group stage, but they drew against Man Utd and Real Madrid and finished 0-3-1, only losing by 1 to the team that finshed 3rd. So really not so bad.
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A team called Right to Dream won it :lol:


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TheSelectFew wrote:
A team called Right to Dream won it :lol:


Some African football academy
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Capac wrote:
Robbo wrote:
Watching a few of the streams the boys are playing well , credit to them.

i do believe some perspective is needed. Over a morning coffee I was informed that 1/3 ( 8 players ) of the joeys team is made up of the NSW NTC which just two weeks ago competed in the man cup under 15s tournament. They finished 16 of 20 teams. The NSW NTC team was made up of 2000 born players whereas the big euro teams had players born 2001 through to 2003 in minor cases.


Well looking into this I think the results they had are actually a lot better than it would seem from what you heard. They competed in the Manchester United Premier cup which ctually seems like a pretty prestigious tournament. The teams that competed in this are the finalists from around 8000 teams that entered (although only like 10 entered for the pacific qualification), so basically some of the best u15 teams going around.

The reason they also came 16th is because they didn't make it through the group stage, but they drew against Man Utd and Real Madrid and finished 0-3-1, only losing by 1 to the team that finshed 3rd. So really not so bad.


Didn't score a goal, although those are some pretty impressive teams. Would be cool if they had some stats up like possession, shots, etc.
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Edited by TheSelectFew: 5/8/2015 02:15:23 PM


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Capac wrote:
Robbo wrote:
Watching a few of the streams the boys are playing well , credit to them.

i do believe some perspective is needed. Over a morning coffee I was informed that 1/3 ( 8 players ) of the joeys team is made up of the NSW NTC which just two weeks ago competed in the man cup under 15s tournament. They finished 16 of 20 teams. The NSW NTC team was made up of 2000 born players whereas the big euro teams had players born 2001 through to 2003 in minor cases.


Well looking into this I think the results they had are actually a lot better than it would seem from what you heard. They competed in the Manchester United Premier cup which ctually seems like a pretty prestigious tournament. The teams that competed in this are the finalists from around 8000 teams that entered (although only like 10 entered for the pacific qualification), so basically some of the best u15 teams going around.

The reason they also came 16th is because they didn't make it through the group stage, but they drew against Man Utd and Real Madrid and finished 0-3-1, only losing by 1 to the team that finshed 3rd. So really not so bad.


Thanks.

Puts it into perspective.
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Decentric wrote:
Capac wrote:
Robbo wrote:
Watching a few of the streams the boys are playing well , credit to them.

i do believe some perspective is needed. Over a morning coffee I was informed that 1/3 ( 8 players ) of the joeys team is made up of the NSW NTC which just two weeks ago competed in the man cup under 15s tournament. They finished 16 of 20 teams. The NSW NTC team was made up of 2000 born players whereas the big euro teams had players born 2001 through to 2003 in minor cases.


Well looking into this I think the results they had are actually a lot better than it would seem from what you heard. They competed in the Manchester United Premier cup which ctually seems like a pretty prestigious tournament. The teams that competed in this are the finalists from around 8000 teams that entered (although only like 10 entered for the pacific qualification), so basically some of the best u15 teams going around.

The reason they also came 16th is because they didn't make it through the group stage, but they drew against Man Utd and Real Madrid and finished 0-3-1, only losing by 1 to the team that finshed 3rd. So really not so bad.


Thanks.

Puts it into perspective.


Yep, losing to Man U and Real Madrid is hardly a surprise, even with a bunch of good players. The effects of individuals can also mask the quality of a team

ie a team with an average goalkeeper but good outfield players could still leak goals, even if the outfielders only conceded a few opportunities.
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kaufusi wrote:
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Capac wrote:
Robbo wrote:
Watching a few of the streams the boys are playing well , credit to them.

i do believe some perspective is needed. Over a morning coffee I was informed that 1/3 ( 8 players ) of the joeys team is made up of the NSW NTC which just two weeks ago competed in the man cup under 15s tournament. They finished 16 of 20 teams. The NSW NTC team was made up of 2000 born players whereas the big euro teams had players born 2001 through to 2003 in minor cases.


Well looking into this I think the results they had are actually a lot better than it would seem from what you heard. They competed in the Manchester United Premier cup which ctually seems like a pretty prestigious tournament. The teams that competed in this are the finalists from around 8000 teams that entered (although only like 10 entered for the pacific qualification), so basically some of the best u15 teams going around.

The reason they also came 16th is because they didn't make it through the group stage, but they drew against Man Utd and Real Madrid and finished 0-3-1, only losing by 1 to the team that finshed 3rd. So really not so bad.


Thanks.

Puts it into perspective.


Yep, losing to Man U and Real Madrid is hardly a surprise, even with a bunch of good players. The effects of individuals can also mask the quality of a team

ie a team with an average goalkeeper but good outfield players could still leak goals, even if the outfielders only conceded a few opportunities.


They drew to Real and United, lost to Chivas.
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TSF, what time is kick off tonight? 9.30pm?
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6.30 pm aussie time. Weather predicted sunny and 32.
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you have to remember that at youth level its very easy to lose to a physical team that plays 4-1-4-1
So its hard to read into results. Without seeing the performances a group stage exit is meaningless unless we saw it so we could assess the relative skill level of the players

I would be very surprised if our players were best in the world since as the FFA 20 year vision points out we have 24 youth getting the amount of coaching and training we want compared to Germany's 5000. We also have a 25% compliance for the NTC

However, We might be in the same league or just behind and that is a huge step up
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Decentric wrote:
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One thing this tournament has made me change my mind on something

we should focus on the a league becoming the cheif destination for our players and the majority of our senior team playing here.

the reason is that once a full generation of these players have reached their prime the a league will be as good as just about anywhere in eurppe and it probably benefits us more to have a maximally strong league. It will also mean a lot of players are used to playing with each other

Yeah, I've been thinking that too. The hart part is keeping them.
Some of these lads will be sold for millions before they are 20.


I cannot see that happening, as we are a long way from the big money.

It may start occurring if the Socceroos perform like they have as a unit in recent times, with far more technical players on show.


It may also be that in the likelihood the HAL improves immeasurably, more maybe more Aussies will be recruited to Europe.

Apart from the longer season (the only advantage going to most moderate European leagues now) and bigger money, if the mooted improvement occurs playing in Europe may not be such an attraction as it once was.

As long as our players are deemed not good enough to play in the big five, and maybe Portugal, Holland, Belgium, Russia and Turkey, a European career may not be as significant as it once was.

When I read biographies of many former Socceroos, to be a pro footballer meant going overseas. I also think that many former and current players who live in Europe, and media who have been there for a long time, are not aware of how much the milieu has changed in Australian football.


This is difficult to gauge but if the a-league continues to improve each season added more teams, quality coaches then there isn't a reason why these wizz kids if they make it to this level wouldn't be sold for millions especially the very best of them.
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clivesundies wrote:
Robbo wrote:
Watching a few of the streams the boys are playing well , credit to them.

i do believe some perspective is needed. Over a morning coffee I was informed that 1/3 ( 8 players ) of the joeys team is made up of the NSW NTC which just two weeks ago competed in the man cup under 15s tournament. They finished 16 of 20 teams. The NSW NTC team was made up of 2000 born players whereas the big euro teams had players born 2001 through to 2003 in minor cases.


I believe a lot of perspective is needed the Manchester Utd cup format even with shorter games but against much higher quality opposition is a better measure of where our players are at. Historically when NSWIS teams have traveled to Europe they have been very competitive with the top academy's as i am sure this group have been so no change their, however the level of Cambodia and Singapore would be no better than a top u16/17 npl side in Sydney.



Actually historically we have struggled in this tournament, I remember when the Sutherland Sharks played in the tournament in 2010 they lost to Man U 3-1 and lost narrowly I think to Barcelona.

But youth results don't always reflect on the level of talent especially at under 15 level.
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There is no doubt a bit of perspective is needed here, the level of opposition is not the highest and the conditions often the games a bit of a leveller for these kids but if you cannot be impressed with the level of skill these kids have shown then I don't know.

We have to remember how far we have come in the last 5 years or so, yes we still far behind the top top level but we are at least climbing the mountain not standing still which we once was doing.
5 years ago we were very far back but these kids have closed the gap you would think in terms of technique and tactical awareness.

This is only the start, imagine in the next 5 years the level of kids that have gone through the SAP program from 25% to 80% and maybe 100% which the FFA want in there Whole Of Football Plan in the next 20 years.

We are improving and is a important sign of how far we have come.

It took Japan 20 years just to get there level and they are still not world class but they have been producing better players than us.

Edited by Barca4life: 5/8/2015 05:32:48 PM
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what times the game on tonight?
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what times the game on tonight?


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