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+xI'm really starting to see underage football, apart from under 23s, as being almost irrelevant to how players turn out long term at senior level. I've seen so many precocious talents fade out over the last 14 years of the HAL epoch, and so many other late developers flourish who did little as underage players, that there isn't much purpose getting too excited about most players under the age of 20. When I coached an under 14 rep team as one of three feeders to the state team, the stars of of that team have mainly not progressed to NPL senior football, whilst some of the lesser lights have played senior NPL football and participated in national comps like FFA and NPL Cup. In an under 12 girls rep team, as one of seven feeders to the state team more of them progressed to NPL /state league level than the boys though. It is difficult to pick what players will be like in 5 - 10 years time. Some work so much harder on their game to improve than others too. If you look at the top nations around they take their youth teams seriously, it’s true not everyone would make it but I think our issues are obvious with the lack of pathways at the top and often than not a lot of these players get lost to the system. Also doing well at youth level consistently has positive effects on the national team in the long run as well, what was the last time we had a decent youth team that had good players that had potential to play for the national team? I recall the 2011 u20 world side having some good players but that’s it.
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Barca4Life
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1-1 with Thailand, they need to beat Brunei by a big margain and hope that Malaysia beat Thailand to make the semis.
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+xJust looking at the squad who is going to be the striker in this team? John Roberts would have helped but he’s not selected which is weird. The defence is unknown as well. The attackers are good players, should build a team around that. Dylan Ruiz Díaz.
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chondro
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Malaysia and Thailand will just pass the ball at the back for 90min and get the draw, Knocking out Australia.
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apparently Timor Leste are a pretty good team at this level, beating the Philippines, Singapore, Myanmar and drawing with Indonesia.
Their top scorer is leading the golden boot for the tournament, would be cool if Australian clubs looked at him considering their proximity to us.
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chondro
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Yeah, odd to see timor at the top.
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Arthur
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From an Australian Football perspective its disappointing to see the joeys lose.
Using these performances as an indicator of the level of our player development programs its irrelevant in opinion.
And will only lead to disruption if we sway from a long term.
The Joeys and for that matter all the National Teams Men and Women are only the tip of the iceburg. 11 players representing tens of thousands of the cohorts.
If we don't focus on Club Development we won't progress.
And if we don't do better with player development at Miniroos level we won't progress.
Everybody in the game is looking at the top as if that is the panacea for our game when its at the other of the pendulum.
A final point though and goes to my first point, if we had won there would have been a lot of FFA people trumpeting their success and thats another problem.
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Gyfox
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+xFrom an Australian Football perspective its disappointing to see the joeys lose. Using these performances as an indicator of the level of our player development programs its irrelevant in opinion. And will only lead to disruption if we sway from a long term. The Joeys and for that matter all the National Teams Men and Women are only the tip of the iceburg. 11 players representing tens of thousands of the cohorts. If we don't focus on Club Development we won't progress. And if we don't do better with player development at Miniroos level we won't progress. Everybody in the game is looking at the top as if that is the panacea for our game when its at the other of the pendulum. A final point though and goes to my first point, if we had won there would have been a lot of FFA people trumpeting their success and thats another problem. Arthur, In my view the top is no more important that the bottom of the football ecosystem. Having kids play the game at community level and leave it having loved the experience is just as important as the kids with talent being identified and developed through the grassroots clubs, NPL clubs etc., etc.. It is part of the development of a real football culture. A good look at football in Australia shows that we need to be working on it at every level and all at the same time with no part gulping up all of the limited financial resources available.
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+xapparently Timor Leste are a pretty good team at this level, beating the Philippines, Singapore, Myanmar and drawing with Indonesia. Their top scorer is leading the golden boot for the tournament, would be cool if Australian clubs looked at him considering their proximity to us. Would be a great idea. Get him before he goes to Portugal.
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+xapparently Timor Leste are a pretty good team at this level, beating the Philippines, Singapore, Myanmar and drawing with Indonesia. Their top scorer is leading the golden boot for the tournament, would be cool if Australian clubs looked at him considering their proximity to us. Raphael Le’ai from the Solomon Islands dominated OFC youth competitions and was offered a scholarship at a school in Wellington. He now trains with the Nix youth side (he isn’t allowed to play for the Nix until he turns 18.) Maybe an Aussie school could do this for Asian players, especially from poorer countries like East Timor.
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+x+xapparently Timor Leste are a pretty good team at this level, beating the Philippines, Singapore, Myanmar and drawing with Indonesia. Their top scorer is leading the golden boot for the tournament, would be cool if Australian clubs looked at him considering their proximity to us. Raphael Le’ai from the Solomon Islands dominated OFC youth competitions and was offered a scholarship at a school in Wellington. He now trains with the Nix youth side (he isn’t allowed to play for the Nix until he turns 18.) Maybe an Aussie school could do this for Asian players, especially from poorer countries like East Timor. Yes. Exploit the peasants! Just FWIW I shortened it for you.
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+xapparently Timor Leste are a pretty good team at this level, beating the Philippines, Singapore, Myanmar and drawing with Indonesia. Their top scorer is leading the golden boot for the tournament, would be cool if Australian clubs looked at him considering their proximity to us. He should definitely be given an opportunity to play in an aleague youth setup.
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paladisious
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+xMalaysia and Thailand will just pass the ball at the back for 90min and get the draw, Knocking out Australia. Their game kicks off three hours after ours too lol
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Only 2-0 us in first half, need another 8 or 9 in 45 mins
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+x+x+xapparently Timor Leste are a pretty good team at this level, beating the Philippines, Singapore, Myanmar and drawing with Indonesia. Their top scorer is leading the golden boot for the tournament, would be cool if Australian clubs looked at him considering their proximity to us. Raphael Le’ai from the Solomon Islands dominated OFC youth competitions and was offered a scholarship at a school in Wellington. He now trains with the Nix youth side (he isn’t allowed to play for the Nix until he turns 18.) Maybe an Aussie school could do this for Asian players, especially from poorer countries like East Timor. Yes. Exploit the peasants! Just FWIW I shortened it for you. Not sure how offering a talented young footballer a better education and a chance to play football at a professional level is exploitation but ok.
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+x+x+x+xapparently Timor Leste are a pretty good team at this level, beating the Philippines, Singapore, Myanmar and drawing with Indonesia. Their top scorer is leading the golden boot for the tournament, would be cool if Australian clubs looked at him considering their proximity to us. Raphael Le’ai from the Solomon Islands dominated OFC youth competitions and was offered a scholarship at a school in Wellington. He now trains with the Nix youth side (he isn’t allowed to play for the Nix until he turns 18.) Maybe an Aussie school could do this for Asian players, especially from poorer countries like East Timor. Yes. Exploit the peasants! Just FWIW I shortened it for you. Not sure how offering a talented young footballer a better education and a chance to play football at a professional level is exploitation but ok. Based on their footballing ability? You're joking.
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+x+x+x+x+xapparently Timor Leste are a pretty good team at this level, beating the Philippines, Singapore, Myanmar and drawing with Indonesia. Their top scorer is leading the golden boot for the tournament, would be cool if Australian clubs looked at him considering their proximity to us. Raphael Le’ai from the Solomon Islands dominated OFC youth competitions and was offered a scholarship at a school in Wellington. He now trains with the Nix youth side (he isn’t allowed to play for the Nix until he turns 18.) Maybe an Aussie school could do this for Asian players, especially from poorer countries like East Timor. Yes. Exploit the peasants! Just FWIW I shortened it for you. Not sure how offering a talented young footballer a better education and a chance to play football at a professional level is exploitation but ok. Based on their footballing ability? You're joking. Private schools always offer scholarships to gifted students, talented athletes, talented musicians, etc. Are those people exploited as well?
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Thailand Malaysia ends 1-1 with an 83rd minute own goal (the games go for 80 minutes in this tourney), and Australia is out.
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Australia needed Malaysia to win by 4 or Thailand to win by 8, or something silly like that. Was never going to happen. We aren't in the top 10 countries in Asia in term of youth development anymore. Everyone else is investing and improving and football in Australia has done nothing to improve in the last decade.
Winning isn't everything at this level but the fact most of the boys probably hadn't even met one another, not to mention played together, before this tournament will determine a lot of our results. The other countries often seem to have their squad together for months and play lots of games together. We lack cohesion but the sheer size of our country compared to Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand makes it quite impractical to fly kids from around the country
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Posted this elsewhere in the general Australian team thread but this is an interesting article. u/23 matches with NZ will clash with WCQ's, and u/19 AFC qualifiers could clash with u/23 matches. https://dailyfootballshow.com/australian-national-sides-set-for-a-jam-packed-end-to-2019/With the announcement on Monday afternoon that the Olyroos would meet cross-Tasman rivals the Oly-Whites in a two-game series in September, an already busy period for Australia’s national sides got even more demanding. Earmarked for September 6 at Wollongong’s WIN Stadium andSeptember 9 at Sydney’s Campbelltown Stadium, the Olyroos fixtures will befollowed on September 10 by the Socceroos first 2022 World Cup qualifyingfixture in Kuwait. That timing means that Graham Arnold, who holds the head coaching position for both the Socceroos and the Olyroos, will miss the two coming games against New Zealand. Young Socceroos boss Gary van Egmond – who was appointed to that role in June – has been tapped to lead Australia’s U23 in his absence.
With the FFA’s media release explicitly stating that vanEgmond would also take charge of any potential Olyroos fixtures in October and November– when Arnold’s Socceroos will be taking on Nepal (October 10), Taiwan (October15) and Jordan (November 14) – it appears as though this power-sharing agreementwill not be a one-off.
Though the fruits of the pathways created by Arnold’s duelling Socceroos/Olyroos postings have can already be observed through the elevation of talents such as Harry Souttar to the Socceroos squad for a recent friendly against South Korea after initially featuring for the Olyroos; the U23 Championships will likely serve as the ultimate arbiter of whether the arrangement that sees Arnold placed at the helm of both the Socceroos and Olyroos is a worthwhile one. History is both working for and against him. Australia has never advanced beyond the last eight of the AFCU23 Championships; their previous high-water mark coming in Oman in 2013 when theside reached the quarterfinals before falling Saudi Arabia. However, the last time that Australia did send a men’s football side to the Olympics came back in 2008 when Arnold was the man at the helm. The issues of load management, however, go beyond just the Socceroosand Olyroos postings. As mentioned, van Egmond also counts the Young Socceroos jobamongst his responsibilities and, thusly, already has a number of pressingneeds surrounding Australia’s U20 side. Absent from the tournament since 2013, Australia failed to qualify for this year’s edition of the U20 World Cup after being eliminated in the quarterfinals of the 2018 AFC U19 Championships in Indonesia; bundled out by eventual champions Saudi Arabia. Their formal journey towards ending those years of absence will begin this November – which doubles as the last international window available to the Olyroos ahead of the 2020 AFC U23 Championships – when they travel to Taiwan for qualification games against Group H opponents Chinese Taipei, Macau and Laos. Topping that group – or finishing as one of the four best runners up – would ensure the side’s progression the 2020 AFC U19 Championship, which will, in turn, serve as qualification for the 2021 World Cup. van Egmond is presently in Vietnam, leading a select U18 side at the AFF U18 Championships where they will face Cambodia, the hosts, Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore before a potential semi-final on August 17 and final on August 19. Looking even further afield, a cohort of Joeys – who are currently competing in the AFF U15 Championships – will head off to Vietnam in September for AFC U16 Championship qualifying and a slightly older cohort will be off to the U17 World Cup in Brazil a month later. “We are pleased with how this structure will work over thenext six months,” Arnold was quoted as saying in the FFA’s release announcingthe New Zealand friendlies. “With Gary (van Egmond) – who is an Olympian himself – workingwith the Young Socceroos as well as the under-23s, and myself, Rene Meulensteenand Tony Vidmar focussing on the Socceroos but keeping a close eye on the 23s,the fluid communication and pathway between the squads will be maintained.” Ultimately, the arrangement means that the next occasion in which Arnold will occupy the dugout at a formal Olyroos game will not arrive until January 2020, when his side will seek to qualify for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics as one of the three best performers (four if Japan are one of the other three) at the 2020 AFC U23 Championships.
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At u15 level we must be ranked over 100 in the world.
Seriously we are hopeless and we still have endless excuses year after year, after year.
It's hot,its cold,its a long way,not enough preparation time,not enough resources,poor pitches,concentrating on style not results,etc,etc.
If these are not our best players and they dont have enough time to learn systems to compete.Why are they there?
We may as well say a National academy side goes to these tournaments. at least they know each other.They know the systems they play and its a clear education process.
If you want national exposure at that level then you get into the academy.
If you dont care,No problem.Because they arent the best players anyway.Just those lucky enough to get into the academy.
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+x+x+xGuys we being told don’t jump in yet wait till a few years till the curriculum kids come through and now are here and I bet the mediocrity of our failures at youth level will still continue on in the future when we lose to Cambodia, Laos etc. I can’t see the quality of players changing anytime soon if results like these continue. Did you see the game?>Malaysia just out smarted/out played them in every move. Aus U15 did have a few shots on goal but overall they were just poor. And that’s been too common with all of our youth teams, mostly getting outplayed and out thought. Seriously when was the last time Australia had a decent youth team that did well that had quality players? Well maybe if players were selected on TALENT and not biased who knows who/who coached who etc etc WE MIGHT JUST WIN A FEW GAMES!
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+x+xJust looking at the squad who is going to be the striker in this team? John Roberts would have helped but he’s not selected which is weird. The defence is unknown as well. The attackers are good players, should build a team around that. Dylan Ruiz Díaz. yeh his dad has deep pockets! :D:D:D
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+xThailand Malaysia ends 1-1 with an 83rd minute own goal (the games go for 80 minutes in this tourney), and Australia is out. Fucking disgraceful.
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+xJust looking at the squad who is going to be the striker in this team? John Roberts would have helped but he’s not selected which is weird. The defence is unknown as well. The attackers are good players, should build a team around that. Marco Tillio and Dylan Ruiz Diaz.
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+x+xThailand Malaysia ends 1-1 with an 83rd minute own goal (the games go for 80 minutes in this tourney), and Australia is out. Fucking disgraceful. Why? own goals happen - don't be so harsh on the lad
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+x+x+xThailand Malaysia ends 1-1 with an 83rd minute own goal (the games go for 80 minutes in this tourney), and Australia is out. Fucking disgraceful. Why? own goals happen - don't be so harsh on the lad It's not that. It's the consistent failure of coaching and curriculum. It has little to do with one individual error. AS I HAVE SAID A THOUSAND TIMES.
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Leading 3-0 at halftime
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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FT Cambodia 1-5 Australia
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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Bad news for Kosta Grozos - injured in the cup. Terrible luck this kid has had. Hopefully not serious.
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