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Mabil and Goodwin are playing regularly with the latter doing so well at Adelaide that he has more goals and assists combined than he has appearances. Leckie isn't playing much but he plays at a much higher level.
I think heard something about goodwin ruling himself out due to family /COVID etc. I might be wrong though


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fanoffootball - 13 Jun 2021 11:03 AM
notarobot - 13 Jun 2021 10:39 AM
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I recall a comment from Folami during an interview in which he says that (while playing this season at Victory) that this is his first full season in the men's game and he is 'still getting used to it'. This comment clearly indicates that the level of competitiveness, pace, power and  oppositon determination in the first teir mens game is a step up from his UK 20's and 23's experience. 

Dylan ryan also expemplifies his underestimation and lack of preparedness for the mens game. still a developing player - no more needs to be said. 

Most of the A league youth who have managed the step up and are getting consistent minuteds in the A League can outplay and have gained better experiences than the European based Acedemy and aged based players. 

Pasquali is another who has been incredibly underwhelming and his cameos for WU do not show any flashes of brilliance as a result of his Euro aged based playing. 

the message is clear - Don't rush overseas kids, it might give your ego a nudge and get you an headline, but your game may suffer in the long run. 

The list on the number of players who went overseas too early, and returned to reignite their careers is very long - desilva, mcgree, recent history. 
 

The only benefit of Europe is the overall environment which is more games unlike here, its clearly holding our talent here but it shows we have more than good enough talent in our own backyard.
Something we tend to to do is look down and think we are behind and not good enough much our own not sure if its cultural cringe but we need to back ourselves with what we got.

Let's hope the continuation of young players playing in the aleague continue hopefully we get a longer season at aleague and NPL too so the players can develop more better quickly. 
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Barca4Life - 13 Jun 2021 6:39 PM
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The only benefit of Europe is the overall environment which is more games unlike here, its clearly holding our talent here but it shows we have more than good enough talent in our own backyard.
Something we tend to to do is look down and think we are behind and not good enough much our own not sure if its cultural cringe but we need to back ourselves with what we got.

Let's hope the continuation of young players playing in the aleague continue hopefully we get a longer season at aleague and NPL too so the players can develop more better quickly. 

This is exactly what Ange Postecoglou said in his book, or something similar. Obviously our ‘first picked xi’ didn’t play in Spain so we’ll never know how they would’ve faired, but we are far too quick to disrespect our own players and in our own backyard, in respect to youth development. 

Remember watching the U19’s in the ASEAN tournament we won, played some pretty banging football with what was pretty much a domestic based squad.

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Ds98 - 13 Jun 2021 7:06 PM
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This is exactly what Ange Postecoglou said in his book, or something similar. Obviously our ‘first picked xi’ didn’t play in Spain so we’ll never know how they would’ve faired, but we are far too quick to disrespect our own players and in our own backyard, in respect to youth development. 

Remember watching the U19’s in the ASEAN tournament we won, played some pretty banging football with what was pretty much a domestic based squad.

I noticed this alot when Australia plays internationally at all levels, when we win everyone is happy some might pump the breaks but mostly its good but when we lose it can get real toxic they feel everything is a failure from the players, coaches, the aleague, a generational thing to even the curriculum gets a mention especially at the last World Cup which I couldnt believe. 
This is why its a global sport and the most competitive one out there, its meant to be challenging but the key is can we learn or sulk along the way.
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So the Olympics are in July and then in October the u/23's are going to be in competition again to qualify for the u/23 Asian Cup.  October qualifiers will be in a centralised hub. Could give us a chance to see more of the A League u/23's who miss out on the olympic squad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_AFC_U-23_Asian_Cup_qualification

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Podiacide - 13 Jun 2021 8:17 PM
So the Olympics are in July and then in October the u/23's are going to be in competition again to qualify for the u/23 Asian Cup.  October qualifiers will be in a centralised hub. Could give us a chance to see more of the A League u/23's who miss out on the olympic squad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_AFC_U-23_Asian_Cup_qualification

Will be a younger squad too given the age cut off for it is 1999 whereas the cut off for the Olympics is 1997.
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sub007 - 13 Jun 2021 9:09 PM
Podiacide - 13 Jun 2021 8:17 PM

Will be a younger squad too given the age cut off for it is 1999 whereas the cut off for the Olympics is 1997.

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So the Olympics are in July and then in October the u/23's are going to be in competition again to qualify for the u/23 Asian Cup.  October qualifiers will be in a centralised hub. Could give us a chance to see more of the A League u/23's who miss out on the olympic squad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_AFC_U-23_Asian_Cup_qualification

Potential squad? 

GK: Delianov, Gauci, Maynard-Brewer

DF: Trewin, Atkinson, Ryan, Rich-Baghuelou, King, Russell, Natta, 

MF: Duncan, Watts, Teague, Metcalfe, Genreau, Akbari, Francois 

FW: Arzani, Iredale, Kuol, Parsons, Tilio, Najjarine

Starting XI could be: Delianov; Atkinson, Ryan, Rich-Baghuelou, King; Duncan, Metcalfe, Genreau; Arzani, Najjarine, Iredale. 

This is a very strong age group imo - 3 Socceroos and some standout talents. Honestly think we could win the tournament with such a strong side. 


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sportaddict - 13 Jun 2021 10:31 PM
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Potential squad? 

GK: Delianov, Gauci, Maynard-Brewer

DF: Trewin, Atkinson, Ryan, Rich-Baghuelou, King, Russell, Natta, 

MF: Duncan, Watts, Teague, Metcalfe, Genreau, Akbari, Francois 

FW: Arzani, Iredale, Kuol, Parsons, Tilio, Najjarine

Starting XI could be: Delianov; Atkinson, Ryan, Rich-Baghuelou, King; Duncan, Metcalfe, Genreau; Arzani, Najjarine, Iredale. 

This is a very strong age group imo - 3 Socceroos and some standout talents. Honestly think we could win the tournament with such a strong side. 


I'm not giving up on Alex Robertson playing for us. Have a look at the midfield options in the English team tonight - he's not making that team, ever! Alex, just commit to Australia already!!
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SoccerooFan - 14 Jun 2021 12:18 AM
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I'm not giving up on Alex Robertson playing for us. Have a look at the midfield options in the English team tonight - he's not making that team, ever! Alex, just commit to Australia already!!

Yeah, there's a couple: https://www.transfermarkt.com/detailsuche/spielerdetail/suche/28542760
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paladisious - 14 Jun 2021 12:33 AM
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Yeah, there's a couple: https://www.transfermarkt.com/detailsuche/spielerdetail/suche/28542760

Yeah exactly, one of the guys listed that plays his position is actually younger than him and is already playing for the English NT, as well as playing & starting for Dortmund (Bellingham). Then you've got Mount. Truth be told, he's not even the best u23 midfielder at his club. Hopefully he develops further in the Man City system, then either gets loaned out or picked up by a Championship/ top League 1 team and then play's the next big u23 tournament for us
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SoccerooFan - 14 Jun 2021 8:29 AM
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Yeah exactly, one of the guys listed that plays his position is actually younger than him and is already playing for the English NT, as well as playing & starting for Dortmund (Bellingham). Then you've got Mount. Truth be told, he's not even the best u23 midfielder at his club. Hopefully he develops further in the Man City system, then either gets loaned out or picked up by a Championship/ top League 1 team and then play's the next big u23 tournament for us

Just out of the central midfielders at City, Tommy Doyle (19), Felix Nmecha (20), Cole Palmer (19), Adrian Bernabe (20), and James McAtee (18) are probably all ahead of Robertson. All but McAtee have had first team minutes. Not to talk down his achievements, he's done very well to get where he has in that environment.

Edit: It seems that Nmecha and Bernabe will be leaving City in the offseason.
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Potential squad? 

GK: Delianov, Gauci, Maynard-Brewer

DF: Trewin, Atkinson, Ryan, Rich-Baghuelou, King, Russell, Natta, 

MF: Duncan, Watts, Teague, Metcalfe, Genreau, Akbari, Francois 

FW: Arzani, Iredale, Kuol, Parsons, Tilio, Najjarine

Starting XI could be: Delianov; Atkinson, Ryan, Rich-Baghuelou, King; Duncan, Metcalfe, Genreau; Arzani, Najjarine, Iredale. 

This is a very strong age group imo - 3 Socceroos and some standout talents. Honestly think we could win the tournament with such a strong side. 


Arzani will be too old, born in 1998

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Podiacide - 14 Jun 2021 11:32 AM
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Arzani will be too old, born in 1998

Wiki says he was born on January 4 1999.
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Arzani will be too old, born in 1998

With Japan in Pot 2 and therefore potential opponents, we cant take this qualification tournament for granted especially if its held in a hub in difficult conditions i.e. middle east. . Not much time between Olympics and this tournament either, less than 3 months. And with Covid restrictions still likely, we will probably have to have split camps prior to the tournament - foreign based and Australia based. Will be interesting to see what happens. Next round of Socceroos WCQ's also likely at that time. Busy times ahead for mens teams.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_AFC_U-23_Asian_Cup_qualification

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paladisious - 14 Jun 2021 11:35 AM
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Born on or after 1/1/1997 is the cutoff. FIFA chose to leave it on that date instead of pushing it back when the Games were delayed, which I think is fair enough.

Very unlucky for Tongyik being born on 26/12/96, just five days before the cutoff.

I was referring to the 2022 Asian u/23 cup qualifiers which we were discussing which has a cutoff of 1 january 1999.

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Podiacide - 14 Jun 2021 11:40 AM
paladisious - 14 Jun 2021 11:35 AM

I was referring to the 2022 Asian u/23 cup qualifiers which we were discussing which has a cutoff of 1 january 1999.

I just saw that and deleted my post, my bad.
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Potential squad? 

GK: Delianov, Gauci, Maynard-Brewer

DF: Trewin, Atkinson, Ryan, Rich-Baghuelou, King, Russell, Natta, 

MF: Duncan, Watts, Teague, Metcalfe, Genreau, Akbari, Francois 

FW: Arzani, Iredale, Kuol, Parsons, Tilio, Najjarine

Starting XI could be: Delianov; Atkinson, Ryan, Rich-Baghuelou, King; Duncan, Metcalfe, Genreau; Arzani, Najjarine, Iredale. 

This is a very strong age group imo - 3 Socceroos and some standout talents. Honestly think we could win the tournament with such a strong side. 


Yep the next batch is also very promising too, dont rule younger options in the future as well as we seen in recent times.

There is also the likes of Italiano, Brook, Hollman, Ruhs, Toure, Brooks etc that are younger as well.

Im curious if the AFC u17 and u20 championships go ahead too, nothing on that front so far.
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sub007 - 13 Jun 2021 9:09 PM
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Will be a younger squad too given the age cut off for it is 1999 whereas the cut off for the Olympics is 1997.

My squad for the tournament

GK: Delianov, James, Freke. I'd leave Gauci at home so he can get some games in the A-League in Delianov's absence while I read AMB would be loaned out if he isn't Charlton's first choice so I'd leave him in the UK to get some gametime too.
DF: Atkinson, Russell, Trewin, Mourdoukoutas, Ryan, Natta, King
MF: D'Arrigo, Watts, Metcalfe, Genreau, Cavallo, Thurgate, Najjarine
FW: Arzani, Tilio, Yengi, Iredale, Brook, Parsons
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sub007 - 14 Jun 2021 2:38 PM
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My squad for the tournament

GK: Delianov, James, Freke. I'd leave Gauci at home so he can get some games in the A-League in Delianov's absence while I read AMB would be loaned out if he isn't Charlton's first choice so I'd leave him in the UK to get some gametime too.
DF: Atkinson, Russell, Trewin, Mourdoukoutas, Ryan, Natta, King
MF: D'Arrigo, Watts, Metcalfe, Genreau, Cavallo, Thurgate, Najjarine
FW: Arzani, Tilio, Yengi, Iredale, Brook, Parsons

This is a good squad - another option which I think would be very sensible in the long-term is to immediately use the 2001 cohort, which will be our next Olympic age group, and build a squad of players which will have 3 years to play together before attempting Olympic qualification, rather than including 1999 and 2000 born players who won't play at the next Olympics. 

A squad like that would be weaker, but could look like this: 
GK: Pavlesic, James, Bilokapic 

DF: Trewin, Aquilina, Natta, Courtney-Perkins, Mauragis, Grdic, Mlinaric

MF: Teague, Watts, Popovic, D'Arrigo, Robertson, Nieuwenhof, Prso

FW: Brook, M. Toure, Kuol, Tilio, Ruhs, Italiano

Other names to be considered: Angus Chapman, Luke Duzel, Yaya Dukuly, Archie Goodwin, Birkan Kirdar, Luis Lawrie-Lattanzio, Jay Barnett, Jake Hollman, Murray Miller, Cam Peupion, Lleyton Brooks, Patrick Wood
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This is a good squad - another option which I think would be very sensible in the long-term is to immediately use the 2001 cohort, which will be our next Olympic age group, and build a squad of players which will have 3 years to play together before attempting Olympic qualification, rather than including 1999 and 2000 born players who won't play at the next Olympics. 

A squad like that would be weaker, but could look like this: 
GK: Pavlesic, James, Bilokapic 

DF: Trewin, Aquilina, Natta, Courtney-Perkins, Mauragis, Grdic, Mlinaric

MF: Teague, Watts, Popovic, D'Arrigo, Robertson, Nieuwenhof, Prso

FW: Brook, M. Toure, Kuol, Tilio, Ruhs, Italiano

Other names to be considered: Angus Chapman, Luke Duzel, Yaya Dukuly, Archie Goodwin, Birkan Kirdar, Luis Lawrie-Lattanzio, Jay Barnett, Jake Hollman, Murray Miller, Cam Peupion, Lleyton Brooks, Patrick Wood

Hey does anyone know what happened to Mo Toure? Early in the season I think he would've been right at the top of everyone's list for Olyroos striker, but he seems to have dropped off the face of the earth?
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Hey does anyone know what happened to Mo Toure? Early in the season I think he would've been right at the top of everyone's list for Olyroos striker, but he seems to have dropped off the face of the earth?

No he wasn’t.

He got injured, came back from injury and didn’t impress so got dropped and injured again.

He’s been named in the extended squad tonight though.
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No he wasn’t.

He got injured, came back from injury and didn’t impress so got dropped and injured again.

He’s been named in the extended squad tonight though.

Seem to recall when he scored that goal against the Victory, everyone was losing their minds over him. "Should go to Europe", "get him in the Olyroo's squad ASAP" etc etc. I for one thought he looked very promising. Then yeah he got injured & all of the hype was transferred over to Kuol, until he signed the contract in Germany & we didn't see him do anything after that either!!! 
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Seem to recall when he scored that goal against the Victory, everyone was losing their minds over him. "Should go to Europe", "get him in the Olyroo's squad ASAP" etc etc. I for one thought he looked very promising. Then yeah he got injured & all of the hype was transferred over to Kuol, until he signed the contract in Germany & we didn't see him do anything after that either!!! 

There was a lot of hype around him and rightly so (I think he’s Australia’s biggest talent) but that doesn’t mean he’s ready to play for the Olyroos.

He’s only started 2 games in his career and can’t play more than 60 mins. I think there is a very good chance we’ll see him in the Olyroos in the coming years but I can’t see him at the Olympics.
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There was a lot of hype around him and rightly so (I think he’s Australia’s biggest talent) but that doesn’t mean he’s ready to play for the Olyroos.

He’s only started 2 games in his career and can’t play more than 60 mins. I think there is a very good chance we’ll see him in the Olyroos in the coming years but I can’t see him at the Olympics.

The thing we forget about Mo Toure, is he's not only eligible for the Olyroos at the next Olympics - but he's in the youngest age group for that cohort (2004 out of a notional 2001-2004 age bracket). He has so much time. He also, and his brother does too, strikes me as a confidence player. When he plays with confidence he's almost unplayable - but when he seems disheartened or out of confidence - he seems to overthink each play and forget his natural ability. 
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2022 AFC U23 Asian Cup qualifications draw live now: https://youtu.be/yumADjcQzsI
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Australia getting China, Indonesia and Brunei, with a single round robin group to be played in Indonesia in October. The 11 group winners and 4 best runners up qualify for the finals in Uzbekistan, which kick off in exactly one year.
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Indonesia is going through a particularly bad wave of corona at the moment, hopefully things have settled a little bit by October. 
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Seems they've had to do the draw for the 2022 AFC U23 Asian Cup qualifications again, it'll be live at 5pm AEST: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLsUD_1XSQ4
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The Asian Football Confederation (AFC) has taken note of the DPR Korea Football Association’s withdrawal from the qualifying competitions of both the AFC U23 Asian Cup Uzbekistan 2022™ and the AFC Women’s Asian Cup India 2022™.

Consequently, the variance in the number of teams across the different groups of the AFC U23 Asian Cup Uzbekistan 2022™ Qualifiers East Zone has now reached more than one, with just Japan and Cambodia the remaining teams in Group K, as a result of DPR Korea’s withdrawal.

Therefore, in order to maintain the balance of the number of teams across all groups, the AFC will conduct a draw to move one team from Groups G to J, to be placed in Group K, to be conducted virtually on Wednesday, August 11, 2021.

The draw will consist of one pot comprising all teams from Groups G to J, except the teams in position 1 of their respective Groups and the Host Teams in order not to affect the group balance and hosting arrangements already in place following the draw conducted on July 9, 2021.

Accordingly, the following eight teams will be involved in the draw: Group G: China PR and Brunei Darussalam, Group H: Timor-Leste and Philippines, Group I: Myanmar and Hong Kong and Group J: Malaysia and Laos.

https://www.the-afc.com/competitions/afc-u23-asian-cup/latest/news/latest-update-on-the-afc-u23-asian-cup-uzbekistan-2022tm-qualifiers

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Blink and you'll miss it. Hong Kong moving from Group I to group K, no change for Australia's group.
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