I always knew the conditions would be a leveller as the tournament went on, I mean 5 games in 10 days is a bit mental for 15 year olds you would think not?

Anyway I've seen enough of their games to show that we have some exciting talent coming through to watch for in the next few years.

Hope they can qualify for the AFC Cup next month...

I guess to put the result in perspective,there was a time the Socceroos spent most of the time parking the bus and won games over superior teams.Furthermore WSW won the ACL parking the bus.
Finals are different and fatigue ,as well as ability ,tactics and objectives of coaches play a major part in the chances of winning.(Does anyone know what the coaches instructions were?)
Still it's disappointing.Considering we are effectively playing third world countries.

Actually 5 in 8 days...

Look I'm not mad I'm just disappointed.

The trend was evident slowly but surely the conditions got the better of the boys. Also the other teams worked out the best way to play us. We should all be proud of the boys efforts. I guess it burns a bit more as I know we are the best team here by far. Not always the best team wins. Look forward to seeing these boys over the next couple of years playing around the world.

Unfortunately, it has given the naysayers some ammunition.

A few years ago, Alistair Edwards said at a FFA state conference that the naysayers need to understand that one loss does not mean it is plausible to tear up an entire curriculum.

wouldn't players learn a lot more losing playing proactive football than winning by parking the bus at under 15 level?

Yep lets tear up the NC just because we lost to Thailand when these players have played a game every two days in hot humid conditions....

Naysayers logic....

I'll probably watch the replay on YouTube later today if I can.

Edited by Barca4life: 8/8/2015 03:35:30 PM

1 point I've got To make though is this wingback position and wingers pulling in tight ..... I don't get it!

The wingers have to remove themselves from space to tighter more pressured positions?! If you have Barcelona tikka takka skills everywhere then fine, but losing space and width surely must directly effect the crosses and attacks at pace that extra space allows.

I've noticed in Perth this trend and since the minute it's been put in place the form of the team has gone through the floor? Is it a new world style, a fad, what?

Garnorf

1 point I've got To make though is this wingback position and wingers pulling in tight ..... I don't get it!

The wingers have to remove themselves from space to tighter more pressured positions?! If you have Barcelona tikka takka skills everywhere then fine, but losing space and width surely must directly effect the crosses and attacks at pace that extra space allows.

I've noticed in Perth this trend and since the minute it's been put in place the form of the team has gone through the floor? Is it a new world style, a fad, what?

Garnorf

don't we judge the national curriculum on whether the kids who have come through it have made the national team more successful?

still way to early to make any kind of judgements.

Came here to post this.

Kids are 15 max. Some of them are only just 14. Two of the boys started the tournament at 13 years of age.

Just confirming, did we also play proactive football in this match? If so, I'm happy.

These tournaments are learning exercises.

from what I could tell we did for every match, but were undone from the counter attack.

Is this happening at your state? I dont think its a curriculum thing it's more to do with how the coaches would want to use their wingers it really depends on how the coach wants to use its players, some are more

But regards to the joey's i have recognized structured changes to the 4-3-3 they play, in the past when Han Berger was TD and in charge of the youth teams before 2014 the team played a 4-2-1-3 or a 4-2-3-1 with wide wingers who would hug the touchline and the No.9 would be a target man who would work with the No.10 when making forward runs but often the front 3 would be quite isolated to each other.

The two sitting midfielders(No.6 and 8) would often stay static with the other and would not rotate the space with the No.10 to play into midfield positions this meant the defenders needed to bring the ball into the midfield lines a lot more, also the full backs would stay in line with the No.3 and 4 when building the play as we copied the dutch model due to Bergers influence the team relied on positional play however we often would not have the tactical discipline nor the strong technical to play the difficult passes in that kind of system and often the teams would struggle to play into midfield or would struggle to break down defences to the lack of movement in the front 3.

Now Ange given he also in charged of the youth teams as well as national head coach has made some technical and tactical changes although it's still going to evolve as what i've been told to make our 4-3-3 more effective.

The front three now would stay narrow of each other, the wingers in this system play narrower to allow them to link with the midfield as well as allow the fullbacks to push forward, often the creation of chances would be at most at the edge of the box as the team is now trying to play through defences which is far more harder instead relying on the wingers to whip in crosses its what Barcelona have been what famous for in the last 10 years.

The midfield 3 has changed, now the team is playing 1 holding midfielder(No.6) and with two advanced midfielders (No.10s), the holding mid has a big responsibility with the ball and without it, i've noticed the No.8 for the Joeys performed the role very well although the No.6 and No.16 were good defensively they need to work on the discipline when playing the ball into the two No.10s, there role is play between the lines although i suspect they will work on one of the those players to drop in between the lines to help the No.6 play into the tight areas in the attacking third but also learn to rotate in the spaces two so it doesn't become too static.

The 3 and 4 in defence when building up would stay quite wide and allow the No.6 to drop in when needed, this also allows the fullback to bomb into advanced areas, although one would stay back to provide a balance when building up, but this does make them exposed on the counter so they need to work this most of their goal came from this.

Anyway that's my take with the recent Joeys, some interesting tactical chances made to the team it seems the team is moving towards a total football style system rather than the previous rigid set up.

Sorry for the longer answer but i hope you understand what i mean. :D

Watched the game on youtube now.

First Half:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqe-sdq5y0Y&list=FLuwjzvEfz68SaI5PEdUqMYA&index=2

Second Half:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC8iN1Jg3sY&index=1&list=FLuwjzvEfz68SaI5PEdUqMYA

Most goals Australia conceded resulted in the full backs being out of position in the transitional moments with the No.6 also in a very advanced position they need to fix this tactical issue it was quite common in the last couple of games.

They very weak when they lose the ball.


Edited by Barca4life: 9/8/2015 01:34:31 AM

our technique declined each match so it became less of an advantage. This is obviously due to exhaustion. Eventually we could handle a team that hit us on the counter
I was hoping we were dominant enough to last until the final
ce la vie. The schedule was crazy as were the conditions.
They are all very exciting players

Yes ive noticed that too it seemed like they lacked discipline with their passing, often passing the ball into dangerous areas where Thailand can intercept and break where they did there homework on us they need to learn to be patient on the ball, it also seemed like the conditions affected the play a fair bit, playing every 2 days on hot conditions made it a leveller and in tournament football sometimes the best team doesn't always win.

I read the team only meet recently so clearly they can scarily only improve even more from here.

Edited by Barca4life: 8/8/2015 11:05:42 PM

PLaying so many matches in these conditions could be life threatening , if it were up to me they wouldn;t be playing.
People are so stupid when it comes to climatic conditions in Australian football its not funny.

Agreed wholeheartedly. It's absolutely ridiculous.

Wow.... Shocked that we lost, but I've seen some amazing football in this tournement.

So for how long are we going to keep on losing at every single level since this new curriculum was brought in? I thought this was meant to be the crop that had lived and breathed it?

wow, give the kids a break 5 games in 8 days in horrible conditions, is a very tough ask for 13,14 and 15 year olds. obviously the other nations were more suited to the climate and therefore excelled more than the Aussies did. The talent that the new curriculum has nurtured is quite evident in some if not all these boys

Often teams tuck the wingers in tighter in Ball Possession Opposition.

This makes the team more compact when the other team has the ball, making it more difficult to play through a team condensing space.

In Ball Possession, the pitch is often made bigger by spreading the team out.

Ange seems to like tucking the wingers and full backs in quite a lot.

Are Korea and Japan doing a lot better than us?

At this time of the year it is quite hot and humid in those countries, advantaging them over us, by playing these teams who live in equatorial Asian conditions.

Another huge issue, again brought up by Alistair Edwards, is overage cheating. Many countries feel pressured to get youth results, play overage players, who subsequently fade out as seniors.

Come on Decentric, I am a big supporter of the NC however this post is filled with excuses.

Korea and Japan did not compete. The last two tournaments (2013 and 2015) none of the standard Asian powerhouses competed, yet we failed to make the final. I know results are not everything but we are pretty much overwhelming favourites for the AFF U-16 tournaments. Not reaching the finals of these tournaments is very worrying.

We missed the last Under 17 World Cup (Japan made it and reached the round of 16). At the 2011 Under 17 World Cup we lost in the Round of 16 to Uzbekistan 0-4, Japan reached the Quarter Finals.

I thought we did well at last years Under 17 Asian Cup, loved some of the football we were playing but the best team in the tournament was clearly South Korea which I am sure you would have noticed. They were Runners up to North Korea in the final.

We always blame Humidity and Heat, yet when we played Uzbekistan at the Olympic qualifying for 2012 we were blaming the cold. It's a poor excuse. At last years Under 16 Asian Cup it was hosted in Thailand and both Korea's made the final.

Are Japan and Korea much better than us performance wise? Generally yes.

Edited by jonomv: 9/8/2015 12:03:34 PM

And why do we NEED to win these tournaments what good do they possess?? Its about nurturing these young kids to become the next batch of Socceroos. Winning is a subheading to progressing

I hate losing tbh.

In the last few days I have for the first time seen a replay Socceroo Asian Cup Victory, against South Korea, minus the first 20 minutes.

For most of the first 90 minutes, or 70 minute I recorded, given the intensity of Korean squeezing within their full press, we struggled to play through this level of off the ball pressure.


Most of our players didn't have the technique, and handling speed to maintain possession. South Korea were a little more effective at disturbing our build ups than we were theirs. Their players on average were a little more two footed and had faster handdling speed, with better controlled first touches.

However, I don't they were as well-coached in overall structure, attacking and defensive.

In the first 23 minute of half time, Korea had run out of gas. They played a half press and their squeezing intensity dropped. This was a tempo where the Socceroos are very comfortable in maintaining possession. Oz won the game in this stanza of play.

There was a Korean flurry at the end. The Socceroos for almost the first time under Ange, defended deep with a 1-4-1-4-1 formation to protect their lead.

What we would hope is that the better technique of the current Joeys should enable us to be able to play through the level of off the ball pressure that Korea applied.

Only Luongo, Milligan were comfortable in midfield doing this, and Sainsbury, Spira and Ryan were okay in defence. The rest of their teammates struggled.

This is very few of our players are not playing in top European leagues. I'm not sure where those Korean players play their club football?

I hate to admit it Korea were the better side over the first 90 minutes, having 7 shots to our 6 on goal, plus they put more balls into the penalty box. Hopefully, these Joeys will be a lot more proficient at playing through intense off the ball pressure.

By the end of the game in extra time it was 16 - 14 in the Socceroo favour.=d>

Edited by Decentric: 9/8/2015 12:19:06 PM

well tbf I do to but these youth tournaments don't mean anything. I only look at the technique and mentality of the players, other things like your physicality and winning comes after, when everything is at a level playing field.

But don't you want the next batch of Socceroos to have a winning mentality?