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bbouy - 19 Apr 2024 4:06 AM
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Jeez I appreciate a dramatic Paris qualification but this is too much. 

It would be a good problem to have after we havent scored in 180 minutes against the two weaker teams in the group.

They are good enough to beat all three teams. But we havent had the composure in the matches that count so far and no gaurantee we will start on sunday
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bbouy - 19 Apr 2024 4:09 AM
The cards currently 

Jordan: 1 red card, 1 yellow card
Australia: 1 yellow card

It's not far off.

I believe Red cards are negative 3 discipline points. Jordan's red puts them way behind currently. 
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https://youtu.be/Gj7_-GHJzpc?si=ENq7nY28cA39IMce

Highlights. A positive is Toure certainly has something and can only get better with regular games. 
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johnszasz - 19 Apr 2024 4:53 AM
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I believe Red cards are negative 3 discipline points. Jordan's red puts them way behind currently. 

Yeah but it would only take one red for us to be equal. that's why it is close. A red is not off the table.
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johnszasz - 19 Apr 2024 5:07 AM
https://youtu.be/Gj7_-GHJzpc?si=ENq7nY28cA39IMce

Highlights. A positive is Toure certainly has something and can only get better with regular games. 

Shooting a bit off probably because his long injury layoff
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Interesting our ppda for the two games were way lower than our opponents and the lower in the tournament

Aka we had the most aggresive press in the tournament for those who dont understand ppda
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bbouy - 19 Apr 2024 4:09 AM
The cards currently 

Jordan: 1 red card, 1 yellow card
Australia: 1 yellow card

It's not far off.

Who was actually responsible for appointing Vidmar? His selections , style of play  and general  team management is worse than embarrasing. His lack of coaching experience just doesn’t cut at this level. FFS what were they thinking?
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razor7 - 19 Apr 2024 6:34 AM
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The cards currently 

Jordan: 1 red card, 1 yellow card
Australia: 1 yellow card

It's not far off.

Who was actually responsible for appointing Vidmar? His selections , style of play  and general  team management is worse than embarrasing. His lack of coaching experience just doesn’t cut at this level. FFS what were they thinking?

His the Socceroo's assistant, this is pretty typical of what the FFA do.

As I said in another thread Vidmar fits the main criteria of being an FFA appointed youth coach. His one of the boys!
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johnszasz - 19 Apr 2024 5:07 AM
https://youtu.be/Gj7_-GHJzpc?si=ENq7nY28cA39IMce

Highlights. A positive is Toure certainly has something and can only get better with regular games. 

While he looked ok he was selfish and cost us a few times 
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Can’t wait to hear the ‘Asian is getting stringer’ line. 

The truth is this Indonesian team ran around like headless chooks. Embarrassing defeat 

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Stronger :)
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razor7 - 19 Apr 2024 6:34 AM
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Who was actually responsible for appointing Vidmar? His selections , style of play  and general  team management is worse than embarrasing. His lack of coaching experience just doesn’t cut at this level. FFS what were they thinking?

Vidmar is so bad that the FA had to bring in Rene to basically babysit him. He lost me when he held a press conference to explain why he didn't select  the best u23 player we have available (Irankunda),  to basically cover his own arse. His selections & subs, especially for the Indonesian game, were  unbelievably poor - in a must win game, you don't play the best outfield player from the first game at all (Youlley) & don't sub Holman off when he's having a shocker?!!! Anyway, I blame him for our poor performances so far & to make it even worse, the commentators mentioned after the game that it was Indonesia's first ever win at the tournament, so thanks for everything Tony!!!
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A totally inept performance.Velupillay is not up to standard and even with Victory he is meh.Holman,Jelacic,Segecic and Teague could not control the midfield and our ball retention was awful.Everything appeared rushed and no one was able to change the tempo of the game.Toure can hold the ball up and is strong and able to turn his defender but his shooting is woeful and his penalty attempt was at the right height for a competent keeper to save.However I don't agree that he should not take penalties .If you are the central striker you should be the penalty taker.

The Kuol boys did not contribute much when they came on and Lachlan Brooks doesn't  cut it for me . Valandon is OK  but needs more game time.I feel like others that Farrell would have been better than Mauragis though he was only so so against Jordan.Milanovic also is not showing his talents and in the Jordan  game took pot shots when other options were on.The two CBs were OK  though their passing was ordinary.

Overall Beach has been our best player over the two games which shows that things are wrong.There doesn't appear to be a strong on field leader.

To be a devil's advocate Vidmar doesn't miss easy chances,get caught in possession,mishit,overhit or underhit passes or stuff up penalty attempts so not all is on him.However some selections and substitutions were puzzling to say the least.We will not be at the Olympics so Irankunda can rest easily and settle into Bayern Munich's training camp.

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Arnold always said ‘the future of the Socceroos is the Olyroos’. Not looking good for Vidmar - he basically lied about not selecting Irankunda straight away for squad - to think he chose guys like Brook and Velupillay ahead of him speaks volumes. They never looked likely to score in both games so far.
Kept losing possession in midfield and no confident strikes at goal. No belief from the players or coach 👎



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tsf - 19 Apr 2024 7:58 AM
Can’t wait to hear the ‘Asian is getting stringer’ line. 

The truth is this Indonesian team ran around like headless chooks. Embarrassing defeat 

They were just as good as us up until the goal then they went very defensive and we turned up the pressing due to desperation. As proven by the first half Indonesia is definitely proof of Asia improving. The fact is most of these Asian teams are just playing for results whether that's time wasting or defending. In this case, they were good and then got a goal due to our mistake and just completely stopped attacking. 
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Booney - 19 Apr 2024 9:02 AM
A totally inept performance.Velupillay is not up to standard and even with Victory he is meh.Holman,Jelacic,Segecic and Teague could not control the midfield and our ball retention was awful.Everything appeared rushed and no one was able to change the tempo of the game.Toure can hold the ball up and is strong and able to turn his defender but his shooting is woeful and his penalty attempt was at the right height for a competent keeper to save.However I don't agree that he should not take penalties .If you are the central striker you should be the penalty taker.

The Kuol boys did not contribute much when they came on and Lachlan Brooks doesn't  cut it for me . Valandon is OK  but needs more game time.I feel like others that Farrell would have been better than Mauragis though he was only so so against Jordan.Milanovic also is not showing his talents and in the Jordan  game took pot shots when other options were on.The two CBs were OK  though their passing was ordinary.

Overall Beach has been our best player over the two games which shows that things are wrong.There doesn't appear to be a strong on field leader.

To be a devil's advocate Vidmar doesn't miss easy chances,get caught in possession,mishit,overhit or underhit passes or stuff up penalty attempts so not all is on him.However some selections and substitutions were puzzling to say the least.We will not be at the Olympics so Irankunda can rest easily and settle into Bayern Munich's training camp.

Not absolute on who takes the penalties. Most teams have designated penalty takers or otherwise discuss a different taker. As you said, "his shooting is woeful" which is exactly why you don't let him take penalties. Give someone with composure and technique the penalty position, for example Jedinak who is of course not a central striker and doesn't win any of the penalties but hardly misses them. 

100% agree with Brook and Velupillay they don't cut it, rarely net positives going forward. I agree that Farrell should've played, regardless of how bad Farrell played against Jordan, Mauragis is just not going to offer more than Farrell. Milanovic has been very sloppy and rushed for the Olyroos, we really needed his composure. It's a shame how poor the midfield has been. 

Yeah, this tournament has reassured me that Garang has 3+ years before he is going to be a efficient, positive contributing player.
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Missing players:
Circati
Volpato
Irankunda
Robertson
Botic
Nieuwenhof
Triantis
Yazbek
Bilokapic
Peupion
Tilio
Bos

Everyone on this list replaces every player on the current team that just lost to Indonesia. Would be a completely different 11. All out for different reasons but we've really been drawn the short-straw this cycle with U23's. It's a real shame, we won't see this team play. 



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johnszasz - 19 Apr 2024 4:53 AM
bbouy - 19 Apr 2024 4:09 AM

I believe Red cards are negative 3 discipline points. Jordan's red puts them way behind currently. 

-1 pt for yellows
-3 pts for direct reds
-3 pts for the red card that is a result of two yellows (the second yellow doesn't garner points)
-4 for a direct red that has come after a first yellow

So, currently it's:
Australia -1
Jordan -4

Essentially it will boil down to we can only get out of the group if:
  • Australia defeats Qatar
  • AND Jordan defeats Indonesia
  • AND Australia scores at least 1 more goal than Jordan does against Indonesia OR victory scoreline for Australia is one goal higher than Jordan's
    • IF a one goal difference between goals scored (eg, a 2-1 victory for Australia and a 1-0 victory for Jordan) = tied on GD and GF and second spot is decided on disciplinary record
      • If disciplinary record is tied, than a random draw will take place
    • IF more than one goal difference between goals scored (eg, a 3-2 victory for Australia and a 1-0 victory for Jordan) = tied on GD and Australia advances on goals scored.
    • IF scoreline has more than one goal difference (eg, a 2-0 victory for Australia and a 1-0 victory for Jordan) = Australia advances on goal scored

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bbouy - 19 Apr 2024 9:29 AM
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They were just as good as us up until the goal then they went very defensive and we turned up the pressing due to desperation. As proven by the first half Indonesia is definitely proof of Asia improving. The fact is most of these Asian teams are just playing for results whether that's time wasting or defending. In this case, they were good and then got a goal due to our mistake and just completely stopped attacking. 

their runs were laughable, they panic on the ball and play just as south east asian teams have played for years 

this lot would be murdered by a half decent coached side
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Not sure why anyone is surprised. At u23 level we are comparable to most other teams in an Asia. The gap widens at senior level after we have players who have been in Europe for a few years playing at a much higher level than any of the bs Asia domestic comps, including the A league. If you picked just players from the A league we would be ranked 100+ and if we would struggle to beat Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam and most Asia teams at senior level. The main difference between us and then isn’t ability it’s arrogance, we seem to think because they are easy beats at senior level that it filters down to the junior teams. 

Additionally having watched the game we are still producing shit players who can’t pick a pass, can’t control the ball, can’t retain possession and are neither athletic or strong. But they have heaps of energy and follow the coaches instructions. This is the consequence of domestic league which values team play, tactics and fitness over individual enterprise, dribbling and skill. 


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also the technique of the Indonesians was terrible. At one point a forward shaped to shoot and stepped away from the ball to take a mini run up while dribbling, 
that's the sort of thing kids do up to 10 years old. 
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tsf - 19 Apr 2024 10:22 AM
also the technique of the Indonesians was terrible. At one point a forward shaped to shoot and stepped away from the ball to take a mini run up while dribbling, 
that's the sort of thing kids do up to 10 years old. 

Hahahah thats gold.. I only saw the highlights this morning but spewing I missed this one..... 

Terrible result otherwise.... Cant believe that blond haired kid (sorry I dont know him) tangled his feet in front of goal like that and missed an absolute sitter.... 
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roosty - 19 Apr 2024 10:21 AM
Not sure why anyone is surprised. At u23 level we are comparable to most other teams in an Asia. The gap widens at senior level after we have players who have been in Europe for a few years playing at a much higher level than any of the bs Asia domestic comps, including the A league. If you picked just players from the A league we would be ranked 100+ and if we would struggle to beat Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam and most Asia teams at senior level. The main difference between us and then isn’t ability it’s arrogance, we seem to think because they are easy beats at senior level that it filters down to the junior teams. 

Additionally having watched the game we are still producing shit players who can’t pick a pass, can’t control the ball, can’t retain possession and are neither athletic or strong. But they have heaps of energy and follow the coaches instructions. This is the consequence of domestic league which values team play, tactics and fitness over individual enterprise, dribbling and skill. 


here here.......
this result and group placing is a slap on those saying our next Olyroos way above current  sub standed Roos let alone so well coached through the current system here no matter who is missing as per a list posted further above and Vidmar as gaffa.
Don't care that Indo run around like a pack of scared sheep fact is they won full stop period and our promising Youth 1point from 2 games.
Failed to score over 3hrs of game time.
Real shame - I was being convinced by posters here for sometime.
I dislike being like this for I CARE about our NT's and the game here.
We keep getting slaps on the face no matter what where when.



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I guess our chances are cooked now. It's a huge shame because this group has so much promise. Can't help but feel some hubris by not picking our best squad. Not least Irankunda. 
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Do we need to can Vidmar? 
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-1 pt for yellows
-3 pts for direct reds
-3 pts for the red card that is a result of two yellows (the second yellow doesn't garner points)
-4 for a direct red that has come after a first yellow

So, currently it's:
Australia -1
Jordan -4
  • Australia defeats Qatar
  • AND Jordan defeats Indonesia
  • AND Australia scores at least 1 more goal than Jordan does against Indonesia OR victory scoreline for Australia is one goal higher than Jordan's
    • IF a one goal difference between goals scored (eg, a 2-1 victory for Australia and a 1-0 victory for Jordan) = tied on GD and GF and second spot is decided on disciplinary record
      • If disciplinary record is tied, than a random draw will take place
    • IF more than one goal difference between goals scored (eg, a 3-2 victory for Australia and a 1-0 victory for Jordan) = tied on GD and Australia advances on goals scored.
    • IF scoreline has more than one goal difference (eg, a 2-0 victory for Australia and a 1-0 victory for Jordan) = Australia advances on goal scored

Disciplinary points we should have advantage since Jordan already got a red card against us.
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Booney - 19 Apr 2024 9:02 AM
A totally inept performance.Velupillay is not up to standard and even with Victory he is meh.Holman,Jelacic,Segecic and Teague could not control the midfield and our ball retention was awful.Everything appeared rushed and no one was able to change the tempo of the game.Toure can hold the ball up and is strong and able to turn his defender but his shooting is woeful and his penalty attempt was at the right height for a competent keeper to save.However I don't agree that he should not take penalties .If you are the central striker you should be the penalty taker.

The Kuol boys did not contribute much when they came on and Lachlan Brooks doesn't  cut it for me . Valandon is OK  but needs more game time.I feel like others that Farrell would have been better than Mauragis though he was only so so against Jordan.Milanovic also is not showing his talents and in the Jordan  game took pot shots when other options were on.The two CBs were OK  though their passing was ordinary.

Overall Beach has been our best player over the two games which shows that things are wrong.There doesn't appear to be a strong on field leader.

To be a devil's advocate Vidmar doesn't miss easy chances,get caught in possession,mishit,overhit or underhit passes or stuff up penalty attempts so not all is on him.However some selections and substitutions were puzzling to say the least.We will not be at the Olympics so Irankunda can rest easily and settle into Bayern Munich's training camp.

Irankunda needs to be brought into the Socceroos squad in June - this should be Arnold's number 1 priority. Of course, he also needs to bring in Robertson, Volpato, Nieuwenhof and Circati. 
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razor7 - 19 Apr 2024 6:34 AM
bbouy - 19 Apr 2024 4:09 AM

Who was actually responsible for appointing Vidmar? His selections , style of play  and general  team management is worse than embarrasing. His lack of coaching experience just doesn’t cut at this level. FFS what were they thinking?

Cheap salary maybe so FA can save money
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johnszasz - 19 Apr 2024 4:53 AM

-1 pt for yellows
-3 pts for direct reds
-3 pts for the red card that is a result of two yellows (the second yellow doesn't garner points)
-4 for a direct red that has come after a first yellow

So, currently it's:
Australia -1
Jordan -4
  • Australia defeats Qatar
  • AND Jordan defeats Indonesia
  • AND Australia scores at least 1 more goal than Jordan does against Indonesia OR victory scoreline for Australia is one goal higher than Jordan's
    • IF a one goal difference between goals scored (eg, a 2-1 victory for Australia and a 1-0 victory for Jordan) = tied on GD and GF and second spot is decided on disciplinary record
      • If disciplinary record is tied, than a random draw will take place
    • IF more than one goal difference between goals scored (eg, a 3-2 victory for Australia and a 1-0 victory for Jordan) = tied on GD and Australia advances on goals scored.
    • IF scoreline has more than one goal difference (eg, a 2-0 victory for Australia and a 1-0 victory for Jordan) = Australia advances on goal scored

I think the horse has bolted on us going further into the tournament.I appreciate you checking and working out all the permutations but really not scoring a goal in nearly 200 minutes of football  says it all about our chances.

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SoccerooFan - 19 Apr 2024 1:48 PM
Booney - 19 Apr 2024 9:02 AM

Irankunda needs to be brought into the Socceroos squad in June - this should be Arnold's number 1 priority. Of course, he also needs to bring in Robertson, Volpato, Nieuwenhof and Circati. 

Volpato ??? The guy didn't want to play for OZ at least not til he got old. He hates Australia. 

He just wants to focus on his club and waiting for Italy call. 
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