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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xone interesting thing about the game is that for the first 25 minutes there was no z14 play from australia, we overrelied on the wings and afghan would commit 2 players wide to double team the australian attacker, rendering us completely ineffective At 25min on we started playing the ball on the deck centrally through their block. This caused afghanistan to defend narrow (which you would expect). However, they would still double team us on the right while allowing space on the left. Such a complicated game plan suggests afghan have studied our team and identified the left flank as less dangerous than the right. Anyone know who was on the left v right wing and fb for us? We lacked players that go past players 1v1, but Quintal did just that when he came on and made an impact with he’s directness. We have of a lot of midfielders who are neat and tidy but lack some punch in the final third, a shame the likes of Younis aren’t available. How did Quintal go? I only just saw his assist when rounding the keeper, he looks like he has some skill. He made a great impact, took players on and changed the game for us. yeah to break down a deep block you need 1) first touches and handling speed tight enough to threaten through z14 2) good shooting from range 3) good aerial threat 4) good 1v1 ability 5) good finishing The senior roos have 1 out of 5, this group has 2 out of 5 but quintal does seem to supply some 1v1. Irankunda, bennie, younis and caputo all missing for various reasons who could make a difference too Some highlights for the interested https://x.com/FootballAUS/status/1838368242227953802 Nice round up, agree you need multiple things to break down a deep block it’s something Aus football teams in general have struggled for awhile now so it’s something it needs improving badly. the law of large numbers works against us. From what I observe we either have players with good first touch and handling speed, or are good aerially and atheletically, or are good at 1v1 or can hit a long shot with the best managing 2. If we had twice as many to choose from you start to get more diversity in your skills Not every a league club has an academy right? I think until we get 14 a league academies, a 2nd division and a national youth league the net isn't cast wide enough. I'm curious what happens with these state ais's and whether that helps Yep good points. I would also like to see the coaching standards continue to improve and allow players to be more creative. Too often the kids get over coached and the creativity and dribbling gets coached out of them for some reason. It’s clear we need these kind of players when facing international football from senior to youth, Arnie bemoaned we lacked players with 1v1 ability so it’s problem we are facing at senior level.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xone interesting thing about the game is that for the first 25 minutes there was no z14 play from australia, we overrelied on the wings and afghan would commit 2 players wide to double team the australian attacker, rendering us completely ineffective At 25min on we started playing the ball on the deck centrally through their block. This caused afghanistan to defend narrow (which you would expect). However, they would still double team us on the right while allowing space on the left. Such a complicated game plan suggests afghan have studied our team and identified the left flank as less dangerous than the right. Anyone know who was on the left v right wing and fb for us? We lacked players that go past players 1v1, but Quintal did just that when he came on and made an impact with he’s directness. We have of a lot of midfielders who are neat and tidy but lack some punch in the final third, a shame the likes of Younis aren’t available. How did Quintal go? I only just saw his assist when rounding the keeper, he looks like he has some skill. He made a great impact, took players on and changed the game for us. yeah to break down a deep block you need 1) first touches and handling speed tight enough to threaten through z14 2) good shooting from range 3) good aerial threat 4) good 1v1 ability 5) good finishing The senior roos have 1 out of 5, this group has 2 out of 5 but quintal does seem to supply some 1v1. Irankunda, bennie, younis and caputo all missing for various reasons who could make a difference too Some highlights for the interested https://x.com/FootballAUS/status/1838368242227953802 Nice round up, agree you need multiple things to break down a deep block it’s something Aus football teams in general have struggled for awhile now so it’s something it needs improving badly. the law of large numbers works against us. From what I observe we either have players with good first touch and handling speed, or are good aerially and atheletically, or are good at 1v1 or can hit a long shot with the best managing 2. If we had twice as many to choose from you start to get more diversity in your skills Not every a league club has an academy right? I think until we get 14 a league academies, a 2nd division and a national youth league the net isn't cast wide enough. I'm curious what happens with these state ais's and whether that helps Yep good points. I would also like to see the coaching standards continue to improve and allow players to be more creative. Too often the kids get over coached and the creativity and dribbling gets coached out of them for some reason. It’s clear we need these kind of players when facing international football from senior to youth, Arnie bemoaned we lacked players with 1v1 ability so it’s problem we are facing at senior level. yeah there are a few with ok 1v1 - irankunda, tilio, arzani, silvera, maybe jelacic but at minimum that hasn't been much improvement in this facet while there has been an a big improvement in controlling the ball in tight spaces. Curious what is happening here
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some interesting context https://x.com/ALeague_Youths/status/1838519554882048209Apparently no wingers and some midfielders are getting played wide. Are there wingers that should have been selected but werent? (apart from irankunda and bennie who might be unavailable)
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Interesting comment on reddit. Apparently since shooting is in the ntc grouped as striking the ball along with pass and crossing, it gets a bit underemphasized in training. Next iteration of the ntc seeks to fix that
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xone interesting thing about the game is that for the first 25 minutes there was no z14 play from australia, we overrelied on the wings and afghan would commit 2 players wide to double team the australian attacker, rendering us completely ineffective At 25min on we started playing the ball on the deck centrally through their block. This caused afghanistan to defend narrow (which you would expect). However, they would still double team us on the right while allowing space on the left. Such a complicated game plan suggests afghan have studied our team and identified the left flank as less dangerous than the right. Anyone know who was on the left v right wing and fb for us? We lacked players that go past players 1v1, but Quintal did just that when he came on and made an impact with he’s directness. We have of a lot of midfielders who are neat and tidy but lack some punch in the final third, a shame the likes of Younis aren’t available. How did Quintal go? I only just saw his assist when rounding the keeper, he looks like he has some skill. He made a great impact, took players on and changed the game for us. yeah to break down a deep block you need 1) first touches and handling speed tight enough to threaten through z14 2) good shooting from range 3) good aerial threat 4) good 1v1 ability 5) good finishing The senior roos have 1 out of 5, this group has 2 out of 5 but quintal does seem to supply some 1v1. Irankunda, bennie, younis and caputo all missing for various reasons who could make a difference too Some highlights for the interested https://x.com/FootballAUS/status/1838368242227953802 Nice round up, agree you need multiple things to break down a deep block it’s something Aus football teams in general have struggled for awhile now so it’s something it needs improving badly. the law of large numbers works against us. From what I observe we either have players with good first touch and handling speed, or are good aerially and atheletically, or are good at 1v1 or can hit a long shot with the best managing 2. If we had twice as many to choose from you start to get more diversity in your skills Not every a league club has an academy right? I think until we get 14 a league academies, a 2nd division and a national youth league the net isn't cast wide enough. I'm curious what happens with these state ais's and whether that helps Yep good points. I would also like to see the coaching standards continue to improve and allow players to be more creative. Too often the kids get over coached and the creativity and dribbling gets coached out of them for some reason. It’s clear we need these kind of players when facing international football from senior to youth, Arnie bemoaned we lacked players with 1v1 ability so it’s problem we are facing at senior level. yeah there are a few with ok 1v1 - irankunda, tilio, arzani, silvera, maybe jelacic but at minimum that hasn't been much improvement in this facet while there has been an a big improvement in controlling the ball in tight spaces. Curious what is happening here Alot of comes down to what the coaches select, maybe they feel there is more midfield depth and not many wingers coming through the age group? Talent ID is such a big topic in youth development. It’s a concern that the now former national team coach is saying this which goes back to the pathways and professional opportunities they are getting. For me my issue with this is it doesn’t help that attacking positions are going to foreign and experienced players which makes it hard for young Australian talent to get a chance to prove themselves.
E.g Sydney FC have got stacks of attacking options but little opportunities for the likes of Segecic and now Quintal to get a go so it’s not an easy fix.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xone interesting thing about the game is that for the first 25 minutes there was no z14 play from australia, we overrelied on the wings and afghan would commit 2 players wide to double team the australian attacker, rendering us completely ineffective At 25min on we started playing the ball on the deck centrally through their block. This caused afghanistan to defend narrow (which you would expect). However, they would still double team us on the right while allowing space on the left. Such a complicated game plan suggests afghan have studied our team and identified the left flank as less dangerous than the right. Anyone know who was on the left v right wing and fb for us? We lacked players that go past players 1v1, but Quintal did just that when he came on and made an impact with he’s directness. We have of a lot of midfielders who are neat and tidy but lack some punch in the final third, a shame the likes of Younis aren’t available. How did Quintal go? I only just saw his assist when rounding the keeper, he looks like he has some skill. He made a great impact, took players on and changed the game for us. yeah to break down a deep block you need 1) first touches and handling speed tight enough to threaten through z14 2) good shooting from range 3) good aerial threat 4) good 1v1 ability 5) good finishing The senior roos have 1 out of 5, this group has 2 out of 5 but quintal does seem to supply some 1v1. Irankunda, bennie, younis and caputo all missing for various reasons who could make a difference too Some highlights for the interested https://x.com/FootballAUS/status/1838368242227953802 Nice round up, agree you need multiple things to break down a deep block it’s something Aus football teams in general have struggled for awhile now so it’s something it needs improving badly. the law of large numbers works against us. From what I observe we either have players with good first touch and handling speed, or are good aerially and atheletically, or are good at 1v1 or can hit a long shot with the best managing 2. If we had twice as many to choose from you start to get more diversity in your skills Not every a league club has an academy right? I think until we get 14 a league academies, a 2nd division and a national youth league the net isn't cast wide enough. I'm curious what happens with these state ais's and whether that helps Yep good points. I would also like to see the coaching standards continue to improve and allow players to be more creative. Too often the kids get over coached and the creativity and dribbling gets coached out of them for some reason. It’s clear we need these kind of players when facing international football from senior to youth, Arnie bemoaned we lacked players with 1v1 ability so it’s problem we are facing at senior level. yeah there are a few with ok 1v1 - irankunda, tilio, arzani, silvera, maybe jelacic but at minimum that hasn't been much improvement in this facet while there has been an a big improvement in controlling the ball in tight spaces. Curious what is happening here Alot of comes down to what the coaches select, maybe they feel there is more midfield depth and not many wingers coming through the age group? Talent ID is such a big topic in youth development. It’s a concern that the now former national team coach is saying this which goes back to the pathways and professional opportunities they are getting. For me my issue with this is it doesn’t help that attacking positions are going to foreign and experienced players which makes it hard for young Australian talent to get a chance to prove themselves.
E.g Sydney FC have got stacks of attacking options but little opportunities for the likes of Segecic and now Quintal to get a go so it’s not an easy fix.
Yeah foreign players clogging up advanced positions in the a leagur has been killing us for ages. I get that there is a tradeoff between quality of a league pathways, but i think we have been way out of balance
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Thiago Quintal is highly rated. Hope he gets some game time this season
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Great discussions on youth football & development grazor & Barca.
Very interesting.
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+xwho is missing from this team that is eligible out of curiosity? Paul okon jr, Daniel Bennie, Irankunder, Younis come to mind Esposito, Hall, Lino, Caputo - potentially Skoko.
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+x+xwho is missing from this team that is eligible out of curiosity? Paul okon jr, Daniel Bennie, Irankunder, Younis come to mind Esposito, Hall, Lino, Caputo - potentially Skoko. + Trefiletti, Bovalina.
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+x+x+xwho is missing from this team that is eligible out of curiosity? Paul okon jr, Daniel Bennie, Irankunder, Younis come to mind Esposito, Hall, Lino, Caputo - potentially Skoko. + Trefiletti, Bovalina. Treffiletti is way too young. Bovalina is a year too old
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+x+x+x+xwho is missing from this team that is eligible out of curiosity? Paul okon jr, Daniel Bennie, Irankunder, Younis come to mind Esposito, Hall, Lino, Caputo - potentially Skoko. + Trefiletti, Bovalina. Treffiletti is way too young. Bovalina is a year too old Trefiletti is the best player in his U19s team Monza. Sure he's young but there's a fair argument he's good enough. He was easily the best player for the U17s v Switzerland recently, either side. I had Bovalina down as U20 but must be wrong, I didn't double check that.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xone interesting thing about the game is that for the first 25 minutes there was no z14 play from australia, we overrelied on the wings and afghan would commit 2 players wide to double team the australian attacker, rendering us completely ineffective At 25min on we started playing the ball on the deck centrally through their block. This caused afghanistan to defend narrow (which you would expect). However, they would still double team us on the right while allowing space on the left. Such a complicated game plan suggests afghan have studied our team and identified the left flank as less dangerous than the right. Anyone know who was on the left v right wing and fb for us? We lacked players that go past players 1v1, but Quintal did just that when he came on and made an impact with he’s directness. We have of a lot of midfielders who are neat and tidy but lack some punch in the final third, a shame the likes of Younis aren’t available. How did Quintal go? I only just saw his assist when rounding the keeper, he looks like he has some skill. He made a great impact, took players on and changed the game for us. yeah to break down a deep block you need 1) first touches and handling speed tight enough to threaten through z14 2) good shooting from range 3) good aerial threat 4) good 1v1 ability 5) good finishing The senior roos have 1 out of 5, this group has 2 out of 5 but quintal does seem to supply some 1v1. Irankunda, bennie, younis and caputo all missing for various reasons who could make a difference too Some highlights for the interested https://x.com/FootballAUS/status/1838368242227953802 Nice round up, agree you need multiple things to break down a deep block it’s something Aus football teams in general have struggled for awhile now so it’s something it needs improving badly. the law of large numbers works against us. From what I observe we either have players with good first touch and handling speed, or are good aerially and atheletically, or are good at 1v1 or can hit a long shot with the best managing 2. If we had twice as many to choose from you start to get more diversity in your skills Not every a league club has an academy right? I think until we get 14 a league academies, a 2nd division and a national youth league the net isn't cast wide enough. I'm curious what happens with these state ais's and whether that helps Yep good points. I would also like to see the coaching standards continue to improve and allow players to be more creative. Too often the kids get over coached and the creativity and dribbling gets coached out of them for some reason. It’s clear we need these kind of players when facing international football from senior to youth, Arnie bemoaned we lacked players with 1v1 ability so it’s problem we are facing at senior level. yeah there are a few with ok 1v1 - irankunda, tilio, arzani, silvera, maybe jelacic but at minimum that hasn't been much improvement in this facet while there has been an a big improvement in controlling the ball in tight spaces. Curious what is happening here Alot of comes down to what the coaches select, maybe they feel there is more midfield depth and not many wingers coming through the age group? Talent ID is such a big topic in youth development. It’s a concern that the now former national team coach is saying this which goes back to the pathways and professional opportunities they are getting. For me my issue with this is it doesn’t help that attacking positions are going to foreign and experienced players which makes it hard for young Australian talent to get a chance to prove themselves.
E.g Sydney FC have got stacks of attacking options but little opportunities for the likes of Segecic and now Quintal to get a go so it’s not an easy fix.
A goalscorer needs to do a lot of work on top of general training on scoring goals. However, some of my senior coaches in the FFA system, when I was involved in rep coaching in underage teams feeding into the state team, I believe didn't set up tasks in shooting exercises where players had enough scoring opportunities at training. There was too many other things before the act of shooting. One good shooting exercise I used was KNVB SSG involving a small pitch with big goals, 5v5 with keepers, where all rules for the game involved numerous shots at goal from all players on the pitch. Might have posted it in performance. Another I used was a dribbling and passing exercise, combine Chelsea Academy/KNVB with shots from three different angles.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xone interesting thing about the game is that for the first 25 minutes there was no z14 play from australia, we overrelied on the wings and afghan would commit 2 players wide to double team the australian attacker, rendering us completely ineffective At 25min on we started playing the ball on the deck centrally through their block. This caused afghanistan to defend narrow (which you would expect). However, they would still double team us on the right while allowing space on the left. Such a complicated game plan suggests afghan have studied our team and identified the left flank as less dangerous than the right. Anyone know who was on the left v right wing and fb for us? We lacked players that go past players 1v1, but Quintal did just that when he came on and made an impact with he’s directness. We have of a lot of midfielders who are neat and tidy but lack some punch in the final third, a shame the likes of Younis aren’t available. How did Quintal go? I only just saw his assist when rounding the keeper, he looks like he has some skill. He made a great impact, took players on and changed the game for us. yeah to break down a deep block you need 1) first touches and handling speed tight enough to threaten through z14 2) good shooting from range 3) good aerial threat 4) good 1v1 ability 5) good finishing The senior roos have 1 out of 5, this group has 2 out of 5 but quintal does seem to supply some 1v1. Irankunda, bennie, younis and caputo all missing for various reasons who could make a difference too Some highlights for the interested https://x.com/FootballAUS/status/1838368242227953802 Nice round up, agree you need multiple things to break down a deep block it’s something Aus football teams in general have struggled for awhile now so it’s something it needs improving badly. the law of large numbers works against us. From what I observe we either have players with good first touch and handling speed, or are good aerially and atheletically, or are good at 1v1 or can hit a long shot with the best managing 2. If we had twice as many to choose from you start to get more diversity in your skills Not every a league club has an academy right? I think until we get 14 a league academies, a 2nd division and a national youth league the net isn't cast wide enough. I'm curious what happens with these state ais's and whether that helps Yep good points. I would also like to see the coaching standards continue to improve and allow players to be more creative. Too often the kids get over coached and the creativity and dribbling gets coached out of them for some reason. It’s clear we need these kind of players when facing international football from senior to youth, Arnie bemoaned we lacked players with 1v1 ability so it’s problem we are facing at senior level. yeah there are a few with ok 1v1 - irankunda, tilio, arzani, silvera, maybe jelacic but at minimum that hasn't been much improvement in this facet while there has been an a big improvement in controlling the ball in tight spaces. Curious what is happening here Alot of comes down to what the coaches select, maybe they feel there is more midfield depth and not many wingers coming through the age group? Talent ID is such a big topic in youth development. It’s a concern that the now former national team coach is saying this which goes back to the pathways and professional opportunities they are getting. For me my issue with this is it doesn’t help that attacking positions are going to foreign and experienced players which makes it hard for young Australian talent to get a chance to prove themselves.
E.g Sydney FC have got stacks of attacking options but little opportunities for the likes of Segecic and now Quintal to get a go so it’s not an easy fix.
A goalscorer needs to do a lot of work on top of general training on scoring goals. However, some of my senior coaches in the FFA system, when I was involved in rep coaching in underage teams feeding into the state team, I believe didn't set up tasks in shooting exercises where players had enough scoring opportunities at training. There was too many other things before the act of shooting. One good shooting exercise I used was KNVB SSG involving a small pitch with big goals, 5v5 with keepers, where all rules for the game involved numerous shots at goal from all players on the pitch. Might have posted it in performance. Another I used was a dribbling and passing exercise, combine Chelsea Academy/KNVB with shots from three different angles. were too many things! Editing not working!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xone interesting thing about the game is that for the first 25 minutes there was no z14 play from australia, we overrelied on the wings and afghan would commit 2 players wide to double team the australian attacker, rendering us completely ineffective At 25min on we started playing the ball on the deck centrally through their block. This caused afghanistan to defend narrow (which you would expect). However, they would still double team us on the right while allowing space on the left. Such a complicated game plan suggests afghan have studied our team and identified the left flank as less dangerous than the right. Anyone know who was on the left v right wing and fb for us? We lacked players that go past players 1v1, but Quintal did just that when he came on and made an impact with he’s directness. We have of a lot of midfielders who are neat and tidy but lack some punch in the final third, a shame the likes of Younis aren’t available. How did Quintal go? I only just saw his assist when rounding the keeper, he looks like he has some skill. He made a great impact, took players on and changed the game for us. yeah to break down a deep block you need 1) first touches and handling speed tight enough to threaten through z14 2) good shooting from range 3) good aerial threat 4) good 1v1 ability 5) good finishing The senior roos have 1 out of 5, this group has 2 out of 5 but quintal does seem to supply some 1v1. Irankunda, bennie, younis and caputo all missing for various reasons who could make a difference too Some highlights for the interested https://x.com/FootballAUS/status/1838368242227953802 Nice round up, agree you need multiple things to break down a deep block it’s something Aus football teams in general have struggled for awhile now so it’s something it needs improving badly. the law of large numbers works against us. From what I observe we either have players with good first touch and handling speed, or are good aerially and atheletically, or are good at 1v1 or can hit a long shot with the best managing 2. If we had twice as many to choose from you start to get more diversity in your skills Not every a league club has an academy right? I think until we get 14 a league academies, a 2nd division and a national youth league the net isn't cast wide enough. I'm curious what happens with these state ais's and whether that helps Yep good points. I would also like to see the coaching standards continue to improve and allow players to be more creative. Too often the kids get over coached and the creativity and dribbling gets coached out of them for some reason. It’s clear we need these kind of players when facing international football from senior to youth, Arnie bemoaned we lacked players with 1v1 ability so it’s problem we are facing at senior level. yeah there are a few with ok 1v1 - irankunda, tilio, arzani, silvera, maybe jelacic but at minimum that hasn't been much improvement in this facet while there has been an a big improvement in controlling the ball in tight spaces. Curious what is happening here Alot of comes down to what the coaches select, maybe they feel there is more midfield depth and not many wingers coming through the age group? Talent ID is such a big topic in youth development. It’s a concern that the now former national team coach is saying this which goes back to the pathways and professional opportunities they are getting. For me my issue with this is it doesn’t help that attacking positions are going to foreign and experienced players which makes it hard for young Australian talent to get a chance to prove themselves.
E.g Sydney FC have got stacks of attacking options but little opportunities for the likes of Segecic and now Quintal to get a go so it’s not an easy fix.
A goalscorer needs to do a lot of work on top of general training on scoring goals. However, some of my senior coaches in the FFA system, when I was involved in rep coaching in underage teams feeding into the state team, I believe didn't set up tasks in shooting exercises where players had enough scoring opportunities at training. There was too many other things before the act of shooting. One good shooting exercise I used was KNVB SSG involving a small pitch with big goals, 5v5 with keepers, where all rules for the game involved numerous shots at goal from all players on the pitch. Might have posted it in performance. Another I used was a dribbling and passing exercise, combine Chelsea Academy/KNVB with shots from three different angles. were too many things! Editing not working! Apparently the coaching courses have just changed to separate shooting from other types of striking the ball (passing and crossing). Apparently this means upskilling the coaches - if you havent done the courses recently you havent learnt practice sessions that focus on shooting. So it will take a while to implement and see the the results Even defensive players for us can get criticized for missing too many chances for their club teams
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not good news for those hoping we find a good rb soon https://x.com/scout_aussie/status/1838883274758000712
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Up 1 nil, but we just cant shoot....
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finished 2-0
we missed a penalty in all that and some really, really gettable chances
our shooting is just awful
The ntc has improved the floor in coaching standards out of site, problem with our system where there is no p&r and therefore no desperate arms race in youth development is it is also our ceiling. If there is a flaw in the ntc, a whole generation of players have the same flaw. In this case underemphasizing shooting. So now our first touch, handling speed and ability to be effective with a poor body shape has imporved to the point can play through a deep block only do gently nudge the ball wide or straight at the keeper
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+xfinished 2-0 we missed a penalty in all that and some really, really gettable chances our shooting is just awful The ntc has improved the floor in coaching standards out of site, problem with our system where there is no p&r and therefore no desperate arms race in youth development is it is also our ceiling. If there is a flaw in the ntc, a whole generation of players have the same flaw. In this case underemphasizing shooting. So now our first touch, handling speed and ability to be effective with a poor body shape has imporved to the point can play through a deep block only do gently nudge the ball wide or straight at the keeper You would think if P&R existed we would see even less Australian strikers coming through. Why would you go to a 20 year old striker, if you can buy a proven one and mitigate the risk?
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+x+xfinished 2-0 we missed a penalty in all that and some really, really gettable chances our shooting is just awful The ntc has improved the floor in coaching standards out of site, problem with our system where there is no p&r and therefore no desperate arms race in youth development is it is also our ceiling. If there is a flaw in the ntc, a whole generation of players have the same flaw. In this case underemphasizing shooting. So now our first touch, handling speed and ability to be effective with a poor body shape has imporved to the point can play through a deep block only do gently nudge the ball wide or straight at the keeper You would think if P&R existed we would see even less Australian strikers coming through. Why would you go to a 20 year old striker, if you can buy a proven one and mitigate the risk? Its a good question. I think that a couple of factors help. Even in the nrl and a leagues teams that are the best are good at retention over recruiting. It costs more to drag someone away from another club. So if u can produce a better quality player it is cheaper and u anyway get cash for selling them. This effect alreafy exists in the a league (ccm!) But p and r would shift clubs better at this up and down the ladder (well partly, u also have youth coaches and scouts up and down making teams at the top better). Another effect is how it improves teams down the ladder, so playing a division down to get experience can be better
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I guess kuol, tillio, irankunda and bernando are good finishers.....so the occasional finisher is popping through
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+xI guess kuol, tillio, irankunda and bernando are good finishers.....so the occasional finisher is popping through At senior level, Maclaren and Taggart are our best finishers, but they don't get enough shots on goal at international level. Cahill was a good finisher, but also had a few sneaky little tricks like stepping on defenders' toes, to gain space, and shoulder nudges, to put them off balance. It enabled him to create space. He usually got about 5-6 shots per game.
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+xfinished 2-0 we missed a penalty in all that and some really, really gettable chances our shooting is just awful The ntc has improved the floor in coaching standards out of site, problem with our system where there is no p&r and therefore no desperate arms race in youth development is it is also our ceiling. If there is a flaw in the ntc, a whole generation of players have the same flaw. In this case underemphasizing shooting. So now our first touch, handling speed and ability to be effective with a poor body shape has imporved to the point can play through a deep block only do gently nudge the ball wide or straight at the keeper The U20s are creating more chances from Zone 14, or edge of the central pen box, with 1-2s, and tight ball control, which is good. The senior Socceroos rely too much on the flanks. Aus has improved in build up play, which was mediocre before and identified as an inherent weakness by the European coaching hierarchy in 2010. The U23s in many of the build up games to the Olympic QT, where they could not hit the side of a barn, were scoring goals easily against stronger opponents than they faced in the Olympic tournament. I saw 5 games. Toure, A Kuol, Brook and Botic were converting goals.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xone interesting thing about the game is that for the first 25 minutes there was no z14 play from australia, we overrelied on the wings and afghan would commit 2 players wide to double team the australian attacker, rendering us completely ineffective At 25min on we started playing the ball on the deck centrally through their block. This caused afghanistan to defend narrow (which you would expect). However, they would still double team us on the right while allowing space on the left. Such a complicated game plan suggests afghan have studied our team and identified the left flank as less dangerous than the right. Anyone know who was on the left v right wing and fb for us? We lacked players that go past players 1v1, but Quintal did just that when he came on and made an impact with he’s directness. We have of a lot of midfielders who are neat and tidy but lack some punch in the final third, a shame the likes of Younis aren’t available. How did Quintal go? I only just saw his assist when rounding the keeper, he looks like he has some skill. He made a great impact, took players on and changed the game for us. yeah to break down a deep block you need 1) first touches and handling speed tight enough to threaten through z14 2) good shooting from range 3) good aerial threat 4) good 1v1 ability 5) good finishing The senior roos have 1 out of 5, this group has 2 out of 5 but quintal does seem to supply some 1v1. Irankunda, bennie, younis and caputo all missing for various reasons who could make a difference too Some highlights for the interested https://x.com/FootballAUS/status/1838368242227953802 Nice round up, agree you need multiple things to break down a deep block it’s something Aus football teams in general have struggled for awhile now so it’s something it needs improving badly. the law of large numbers works against us. From what I observe we either have players with good first touch and handling speed, or are good aerially and atheletically, or are good at 1v1 or can hit a long shot with the best managing 2. If we had twice as many to choose from you start to get more diversity in your skills Not every a league club has an academy right? I think until we get 14 a league academies, a 2nd division and a national youth league the net isn't cast wide enough. I'm curious what happens with these state ais's and whether that helps Yep good points. I would also like to see the coaching standards continue to improve and allow players to be more creative. Too often the kids get over coached and the creativity and dribbling gets coached out of them for some reason. It’s clear we need these kind of players when facing international football from senior to youth, Arnie bemoaned we lacked players with 1v1 ability so it’s problem we are facing at senior level. yeah there are a few with ok 1v1 - irankunda, tilio, arzani, silvera, maybe jelacic but at minimum that hasn't been much improvement in this facet while there has been an a big improvement in controlling the ball in tight spaces. Curious what is happening here Alot of comes down to what the coaches select, maybe they feel there is more midfield depth and not many wingers coming through the age group? Talent ID is such a big topic in youth development. It’s a concern that the now former national team coach is saying this which goes back to the pathways and professional opportunities they are getting. For me my issue with this is it doesn’t help that attacking positions are going to foreign and experienced players which makes it hard for young Australian talent to get a chance to prove themselves.
E.g Sydney FC have got stacks of attacking options but little opportunities for the likes of Segecic and now Quintal to get a go so it’s not an easy fix.
A goalscorer needs to do a lot of work on top of general training on scoring goals. However, some of my senior coaches in the FFA system, when I was involved in rep coaching in underage teams feeding into the state team, I believe didn't set up tasks in shooting exercises where players had enough scoring opportunities at training. There was too many other things before the act of shooting. One good shooting exercise I used was KNVB SSG involving a small pitch with big goals, 5v5 with keepers, where all rules for the game involved numerous shots at goal from all players on the pitch. Might have posted it in performance. Another I used was a dribbling and passing exercise, combine Chelsea Academy/KNVB with shots from three different angles. These involved a plethora of shots in training sessions, from lots of game realistic scenarios.
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Communicating with another forum member who is a junior coach, in the first half against Macau, we were astonished how the U 20s played so a many balls onto the right flank?
The U20s barely used the left?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xone interesting thing about the game is that for the first 25 minutes there was no z14 play from australia, we overrelied on the wings and afghan would commit 2 players wide to double team the australian attacker, rendering us completely ineffective At 25min on we started playing the ball on the deck centrally through their block. This caused afghanistan to defend narrow (which you would expect). However, they would still double team us on the right while allowing space on the left. Such a complicated game plan suggests afghan have studied our team and identified the left flank as less dangerous than the right. Anyone know who was on the left v right wing and fb for us? We lacked players that go past players 1v1, but Quintal did just that when he came on and made an impact with he’s directness. We have of a lot of midfielders who are neat and tidy but lack some punch in the final third, a shame the likes of Younis aren’t available. How did Quintal go? I only just saw his assist when rounding the keeper, he looks like he has some skill. He made a great impact, took players on and changed the game for us. yeah to break down a deep block you need 1) first touches and handling speed tight enough to threaten through z14 2) good shooting from range 3) good aerial threat 4) good 1v1 ability 5) good finishing The senior roos have 1 out of 5, this group has 2 out of 5 but quintal does seem to supply some 1v1. Irankunda, bennie, younis and caputo all missing for various reasons who could make a difference too Some highlights for the interested https://x.com/FootballAUS/status/1838368242227953802 Nice round up, agree you need multiple things to break down a deep block it’s something Aus football teams in general have struggled for awhile now so it’s something it needs improving badly. the law of large numbers works against us. From what I observe we either have players with good first touch and handling speed, or are good aerially and atheletically, or are good at 1v1 or can hit a long shot with the best managing 2. If we had twice as many to choose from you start to get more diversity in your skills Not every a league club has an academy right? I think until we get 14 a league academies, a 2nd division and a national youth league the net isn't cast wide enough. I'm curious what happens with these state ais's and whether that helps It’s clear we need these kind of players when facing international football from senior to youth, Arnie bemoaned we lacked players with 1v1 ability so it’s problem we are facing at senior level. When he did he say this, Barca?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xone interesting thing about the game is that for the first 25 minutes there was no z14 play from australia, we overrelied on the wings and afghan would commit 2 players wide to double team the australian attacker, rendering us completely ineffective At 25min on we started playing the ball on the deck centrally through their block. This caused afghanistan to defend narrow (which you would expect). However, they would still double team us on the right while allowing space on the left. Such a complicated game plan suggests afghan have studied our team and identified the left flank as less dangerous than the right. Anyone know who was on the left v right wing and fb for us? We lacked players that go past players 1v1, but Quintal did just that when he came on and made an impact with he’s directness. We have of a lot of midfielders who are neat and tidy but lack some punch in the final third, a shame the likes of Younis aren’t available. How did Quintal go? I only just saw his assist when rounding the keeper, he looks like he has some skill. He made a great impact, took players on and changed the game for us. yeah to break down a deep block you need 1) first touches and handling speed tight enough to threaten through z14 2) good shooting from range 3) good aerial threat 4) good 1v1 ability 5) good finishing The senior roos have 1 out of 5, this group has 2 out of 5 but quintal does seem to supply some 1v1. Irankunda, bennie, younis and caputo all missing for various reasons who could make a difference too Some highlights for the interested https://x.com/FootballAUS/status/1838368242227953802 Nice round up, agree you need multiple things to break down a deep block it’s something Aus football teams in general have struggled for awhile now so it’s something it needs improving badly. the law of large numbers works against us. From what I observe we either have players with good first touch and handling speed, or are good aerially and atheletically, or are good at 1v1 or can hit a long shot with the best managing 2. If we had twice as many to choose from you start to get more diversity in your skills Not every a league club has an academy right? I think until we get 14 a league academies, a 2nd division and a national youth league the net isn't cast wide enough. I'm curious what happens with these state ais's and whether that helps Yep good points. I would also like to see the coaching standards continue to improve and allow players to be more creative. Too often the kids get over coached and the creativity and dribbling gets coached out of them for some reason. It’s clear we need these kind of players when facing international football from senior to youth, Arnie bemoaned we lacked players with 1v1 ability so it’s problem we are facing at senior level. yeah there are a few with ok 1v1 - irankunda, tilio, arzani, silvera, maybe jelacic but at minimum that hasn't been much improvement in this facet while there has been an a big improvement in controlling the ball in tight spaces. Curious what is happening here Definitely Jelacic, plus one can add Brook, Ivanovic and Villupillay, as 1v1 exponents. The others are good at 1v1 that you've mentioned too.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xone interesting thing about the game is that for the first 25 minutes there was no z14 play from australia, we overrelied on the wings and afghan would commit 2 players wide to double team the australian attacker, rendering us completely ineffective At 25min on we started playing the ball on the deck centrally through their block. This caused afghanistan to defend narrow (which you would expect). However, they would still double team us on the right while allowing space on the left. Such a complicated game plan suggests afghan have studied our team and identified the left flank as less dangerous than the right. Anyone know who was on the left v right wing and fb for us? We lacked players that go past players 1v1, but Quintal did just that when he came on and made an impact with he’s directness. We have of a lot of midfielders who are neat and tidy but lack some punch in the final third, a shame the likes of Younis aren’t available. How did Quintal go? I only just saw his assist when rounding the keeper, he looks like he has some skill. He made a great impact, took players on and changed the game for us. yeah to break down a deep block you need 1) first touches and handling speed tight enough to threaten through z14 2) good shooting from range 3) good aerial threat 4) good 1v1 ability 5) good finishing The senior roos have 1 out of 5, this group has 2 out of 5 but quintal does seem to supply some 1v1. Irankunda, bennie, younis and caputo all missing for various reasons who could make a difference too Some highlights for the interested https://x.com/FootballAUS/status/1838368242227953802 Nice round up, agree you need multiple things to break down a deep block it’s something Aus football teams in general have struggled for awhile now so it’s something it needs improving badly. the law of large numbers works against us. From what I observe we either have players with good first touch and handling speed, or are good aerially and atheletically, or are good at 1v1 or can hit a long shot with the best managing 2. If we had twice as many to choose from you start to get more diversity in your skills Not every a league club has an academy right? I think until we get 14 a league academies, a 2nd division and a national youth league the net isn't cast wide enough. I'm curious what happens with these state ais's and whether that helps Yep good points. I would also like to see the coaching standards continue to improve and allow players to be more creative. Too often the kids get over coached and the creativity and dribbling gets coached out of them for some reason. It’s clear we need these kind of players when facing international football from senior to youth, Arnie bemoaned we lacked players with 1v1 ability so it’s problem we are facing at senior level. yeah there are a few with ok 1v1 - irankunda, tilio, arzani, silvera, maybe jelacic but at minimum that hasn't been much improvement in this facet while there has been an a big improvement in controlling the ball in tight spaces. Curious what is happening here Alot of comes down to what the coaches select, maybe they feel there is more midfield depth and not many wingers coming through the age group? Talent ID is such a big topic in youth development. It’s a concern that the now former national team coach is saying this which goes back to the pathways and professional opportunities they are getting. For me my issue with this is it doesn’t help that attacking positions are going to foreign and experienced players which makes it hard for young Australian talent to get a chance to prove themselves.
E.g Sydney FC have got stacks of attacking options but little opportunities for the likes of Segecic and now Quintal to get a go so it’s not an easy fix.
A goalscorer needs to do a lot of work on top of general training on scoring goals. However, some of my senior coaches in the FFA system, when I was involved in rep coaching in underage teams feeding into the state team, I believe didn't set up tasks in shooting exercises where players had enough scoring opportunities at training. There was too many other things before the act of shooting. One good shooting exercise I used was KNVB SSG involving a small pitch with big goals, 5v5 with keepers, where all rules for the game involved numerous shots at goal from all players on the pitch. Might have posted it in performance. Another I used was a dribbling and passing exercise, combine Chelsea Academy/KNVB with shots from three different angles. were too many things! Editing not working! Apparently the coaching courses have just changed to separate shooting from other types of striking the ball (passing and crossing). Apparently this means upskilling the coaches - if you havent done the courses recently you havent learnt practice sessions that focus on shooting. So it will take a while to implement and see the the results True. They have been put in the same category. Scoring goals ( checking, making runs, finding space, shooting {heading, shooting with both feet at goal}) is different from striking the ball. Never thought of it before!
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Have been very impressed with Youlley on the ball - fast handling speed ( time taken to receive and pass it on), composed in tight spaces, superb body shape, terrific vision and eye of the needle passing through compact defences.
He needs to tackle with his left foot though, not just his preferred foot.
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only managing a 2-0 win over the likes of macau is somewhat alarming but not surprising.
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