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JDB03 wrote:Decentric wrote:Robbo wrote:The model we use with the AIS is outdated in world terms. We pick a core group of players from age 14 or 15 and focus a lot of development money and time for the next few years. Very few other kids are brought in to see progression. By adopting this model we are failing to recognize late developers. Bring in a few overseas based players just before the World Cup is not sufficient
Other counties have multi camp with multiple players looked at closely and monitored. Why do we continue with such a old format.
In addition ais based coaches , technical directors aren't going to bring in new blood because they place their positions and livelihood at risk. They can't admit they got it wrong with player selection ....can they?. Well said. I think SAP being disseminated in the NPL and soon to the HAL clubs, will create a much greater catchment for the late developers. I agree with a lot of what you guy's are saying and think the sooner HAL clubs have juniors from u12s to 20's in a full time development program the better. This then will not only in sure that more players are developing but less will be missed. If this then is the case the COE will no longer need to have a program and could then concentrate it's efforts on identification. Only one problem finding the quality coaches required and the HAL clubs finding the money to run these programs. The COE can just docus on national games. Wouldnt mind if it became home to national youth team get togethers. France has one and i reckon even our senior nt can use it. Maybe even turn it into a football history museum. :-"
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Just read report on France game , not very encouraging tbh . Work to be done before WC , not sure if this is final squad or not ?
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Decentric
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JDB03 wrote:Decentric wrote:Robbo wrote:The model we use with the AIS is outdated in world terms. We pick a core group of players from age 14 or 15 and focus a lot of development money and time for the next few years. Very few other kids are brought in to see progression. By adopting this model we are failing to recognize late developers. Bring in a few overseas based players just before the World Cup is not sufficient
Other counties have multi camp with multiple players looked at closely and monitored. Why do we continue with such a old format.
In addition ais based coaches , technical directors aren't going to bring in new blood because they place their positions and livelihood at risk. They can't admit they got it wrong with player selection ....can they?. Well said. I think SAP being disseminated in the NPL and soon to the HAL clubs, will create a much greater catchment for the late developers. I agree with a lot of what you guy's are saying and think the sooner HAL clubs have juniors from u12s to 20's in a full time development program the better. This then will not only in sure that more players are developing but less will be missed. If this then is the case the COE will no longer need to have a program and could then concentrate it's efforts on identification. Only one problem finding the quality coaches required and the HAL clubs finding the money to run these programs. Definitely. This is what occurs overseas and hopefully provides access to a lot more players. As opposed to just a few playing at the AIS on full time programs, or state based NTC programs, which also preclude a lot of players. Someone else mentioned late developers. So true.
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Decentric
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Jonsnow wrote:Just read report on France game , not very encouraging tbh .
Work to be done before WC , not sure if this is final squad or not ? Welcome to the forum, Jon Snow.:) Where did you read the report?
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Decentric
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Robbo wrote:Barca 4 life
The same scenario should be adopted for u20/23. A database of all players identified should be kept including overseas players. Camps should be arranged regularly with different scouts brought in to
Asses players development not just leave it up to the coach to decide, so hopefully we eliminate the amini debacle.
Since Craig Moore has left nobody in FFA is monitoring age groups 16 through to 23. Who is keeping track of these players especially the overseas based one? I have said it before all Australian youth coaches their assistants and managers should be traveling Australia and the world monitoring players progress at all time. .
Without a centralized database we only keep monitor the ais boys who I mentioned earlier in a post were picked as 14-15 year olds,
And yes maybe they were the best at the age but as we all know things change dramatically after that time. It's only natural for the ais coaches and TD to push boys they have developed but who is monitoring the others after that age from all over Australia and around the world Fair comment. As a corollary, there is another instance I found out through this forum, where a state NTC coach laughed at a player in his program when he said he had been offered an EPL contract. Disgusting.:roll: The NTC coach didn't want him to go.](*,)
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Decentric wrote:Jonsnow wrote:Just read report on France game , not very encouraging tbh .
Work to be done before WC , not sure if this is final squad or not ? Welcome to the forum, Jon Snow.:) Where did you read the report? Winter is coming.
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still waiting for the official ffa word, Normally they're very quick to update us when we win
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live stream of macedonia u21 v aus u22: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC7YzqVgqY421mins gone, currently 1-1. microphone is right in front of Vidmar, can hear every shouted instruction.
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Who's playing? I only recognised Mabil.
For the first time, but certainly not the last, I began to believe that Arsenals moods and fortunes somehow reflected my own. - Hornby
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Robbo
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Decentric wrote:Robbo wrote:Barca 4 life
The same scenario should be adopted for u20/23. A database of all players identified should be kept including overseas players. Camps should be arranged regularly with different scouts brought in to
Asses players development not just leave it up to the coach to decide, so hopefully we eliminate the amini debacle.
Since Craig Moore has left nobody in FFA is monitoring age groups 16 through to 23. Who is keeping track of these players especially the overseas based one? I have said it before all Australian youth coaches their assistants and managers should be traveling Australia and the world monitoring players progress at all time. .
Without a centralized database we only keep monitor the ais boys who I mentioned earlier in a post were picked as 14-15 year olds,
And yes maybe they were the best at the age but as we all know things change dramatically after that time. It's only natural for the ais coaches and TD to push boys they have developed but who is monitoring the others after that age from all over Australia and around the world Fair comment. As a corollary, there is another instance I found out through this forum, where a state NTC coach laughed at a player in his program when he said he had been offered an EPL contract. Disgusting.:roll: The NTC coach didn't want him to go.](*,) I heard Okon is holding a young socceroos camp this week. Does anyone know If overseas based players have been called up ?
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Here's the stream of the Macedonia game, up to the 69th minute now, losing 3-1. Hoole and Amini just subbed on. Edited by paladisious: 8/9/2015 02:00:55 AM
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salmonfc wrote:Who's playing? I only recognised Mabil. Down 3-1 pretty poor performance overall. izzo in goal not sure if he could have done better on the goals. Amini on after 64 mins making a huge difference going forward
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salmonfc wrote:Who's playing? I only recognised Mabil. Maclaren as number 9, Galloway at RB and looks like Smith at LB (they actually look rather similar). Antonis in midfield? Hard to tell with this quality. No lineups to speak of online.
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Over at 3-1.
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Steam was terrible so I can't make a comment on the actual play but the result against macedonia u21 is poor considering they are a country with a population of only 2 million.
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Decentric wrote:Robbo wrote:The model we use with the AIS is outdated in world terms. We pick a core group of players from age 14 or 15 and focus a lot of development money and time for the next few years. Very few other kids are brought in to see progression. By adopting this model we are failing to recognize late developers. Bring in a few overseas based players just before the World Cup is not sufficient
Other counties have multi camp with multiple players looked at closely and monitored. Why do we continue with such a old format.
In addition ais based coaches , technical directors aren't going to bring in new blood because they place their positions and livelihood at risk. They can't admit they got it wrong with player selection ....can they?. Well said. I think SAP being disseminated in the NPL and soon to the HAL clubs, will create a much greater catchment for the late developers. Yeah as if the French would do something as stupid as choose twenty 14year olds and focus on their development for 2 years through a residential program :oops: :oops: But as you have pointed out the key difference is the youth teams for the top clubs.
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Decentric wrote:Jonsnow wrote:Just read report on France game , not very encouraging tbh .
Work to be done before WC , not sure if this is final squad or not ? Welcome to the forum, Jon Snow.:) Where did you read the report? Sorry , just read the French report I should have said , no report yet from FFA ?
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How did the Olyroos go from beating Turkey to losing to Macedonia?
I know there are only friendly matches but still....:-k
Edited by Barca4life: 8/9/2015 07:32:10 AM
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Decentric wrote:Robbo wrote:Barca 4 life
The same scenario should be adopted for u20/23. A database of all players identified should be kept including overseas players. Camps should be arranged regularly with different scouts brought in to
Asses players development not just leave it up to the coach to decide, so hopefully we eliminate the amini debacle.
Since Craig Moore has left nobody in FFA is monitoring age groups 16 through to 23. Who is keeping track of these players especially the overseas based one? I have said it before all Australian youth coaches their assistants and managers should be traveling Australia and the world monitoring players progress at all time. .
Without a centralized database we only keep monitor the ais boys who I mentioned earlier in a post were picked as 14-15 year olds,
And yes maybe they were the best at the age but as we all know things change dramatically after that time. It's only natural for the ais coaches and TD to push boys they have developed but who is monitoring the others after that age from all over Australia and around the world Fair comment. As a corollary, there is another instance I found out through this forum, where a state NTC coach laughed at a player in his program when he said he had been offered an EPL contract. Disgusting.:roll: The NTC coach didn't want him to go.](*,) Decentric, this is a serious question (i dont know the answer) But, was the NTC a curriculum trained coach? Also, do you think that the reason he laughed at the player getting an english contract was because England allegedly doesnt have KNVB qualified coaches and doesnt teach the proper style of coaching? It sounds to me that this type of attitude is what is being pedalled by many on here, and is one of the dangers of too much education and concentration on text books as opposed to practicalities and common sense.
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Aljay wrote:Decentric wrote:Robbo wrote:The model we use with the AIS is outdated in world terms. We pick a core group of players from age 14 or 15 and focus a lot of development money and time for the next few years. Very few other kids are brought in to see progression. By adopting this model we are failing to recognize late developers. Bring in a few overseas based players just before the World Cup is not sufficient
Other counties have multi camp with multiple players looked at closely and monitored. Why do we continue with such a old format.
In addition ais based coaches , technical directors aren't going to bring in new blood because they place their positions and livelihood at risk. They can't admit they got it wrong with player selection ....can they?. Well said. I think SAP being disseminated in the NPL and soon to the HAL clubs, will create a much greater catchment for the late developers. Yeah as if the French would do something as stupid as choose twenty 14year olds and focus on their development for 2 years through a residential program :oops: :oops: But as you have pointed out the key difference is the youth teams for the top clubs. Clairefontaine?
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Aljay
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Barca4Life wrote:Aljay wrote:Decentric wrote:Robbo wrote:The model we use with the AIS is outdated in world terms. We pick a core group of players from age 14 or 15 and focus a lot of development money and time for the next few years. Very few other kids are brought in to see progression. By adopting this model we are failing to recognize late developers. Bring in a few overseas based players just before the World Cup is not sufficient
Other counties have multi camp with multiple players looked at closely and monitored. Why do we continue with such a old format.
In addition ais based coaches , technical directors aren't going to bring in new blood because they place their positions and livelihood at risk. They can't admit they got it wrong with player selection ....can they?. Well said. I think SAP being disseminated in the NPL and soon to the HAL clubs, will create a much greater catchment for the late developers. Yeah as if the French would do something as stupid as choose twenty 14year olds and focus on their development for 2 years through a residential program :oops: :oops: But as you have pointed out the key difference is the youth teams for the top clubs. Clairefontaine? That's my point.
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Aljay wrote:Barca4Life wrote:Aljay wrote:Decentric wrote:Robbo wrote:The model we use with the AIS is outdated in world terms. We pick a core group of players from age 14 or 15 and focus a lot of development money and time for the next few years. Very few other kids are brought in to see progression. By adopting this model we are failing to recognize late developers. Bring in a few overseas based players just before the World Cup is not sufficient
Other counties have multi camp with multiple players looked at closely and monitored. Why do we continue with such a old format.
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In addition ais based coaches , technical directors aren't going to bring in new blood because they place their positions and livelihood at risk. They can't admit they got it wrong with player selection ....can they?. Well said. I think SAP being disseminated in the NPL and soon to the HAL clubs, will create a much greater catchment for the late developers. Yeah as if the French would do something as stupid as choose twenty 14year olds and focus on their development for 2 years through a residential program :oops: :oops: But as you have pointed out the key difference is the youth teams for the top clubs. Clairefontaine? That's my point. Two point regarding clairefontaine 1- the French see it as outdated as well and on the quick look at u17 national team less than 40% make up the current team 2- in clairfintaine the players are regularly graded on their progression and if someone outside the program is progressing at a faster rate they take the place of the slower progressing player, that doesn't happen at ais Foz wrote a article about 4 years ago on the declining participation at clairefontain and its use in French football, have a look at it. Edited by robbo: 8/9/2015 04:31:20 PM
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Robbo wrote:Aljay wrote:Barca4Life wrote:Aljay wrote:Decentric wrote:Robbo wrote:The model we use with the AIS is outdated in world terms. We pick a core group of players from age 14 or 15 and focus a lot of development money and time for the next few years. Very few other kids are brought in to see progression. By adopting this model we are failing to recognize late developers. Bring in a few overseas based players just before the World Cup is not sufficient
Other counties have multi camp with multiple players looked at closely and monitored. Why do we continue with such a old format.
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In addition ais based coaches , technical directors aren't going to bring in new blood because they place their positions and livelihood at risk. They can't admit they got it wrong with player selection ....can they?. Well said. I think SAP being disseminated in the NPL and soon to the HAL clubs, will create a much greater catchment for the late developers. Yeah as if the French would do something as stupid as choose twenty 14year olds and focus on their development for 2 years through a residential program :oops: :oops: But as you have pointed out the key difference is the youth teams for the top clubs. Clairefontaine? That's my point. Two point regarding clairefontaine 1- the French see it as outdated as well and on the quick look at u17 national team less than 40% make up the current team 2- in clairfintaine the players are regularly graded on their progression and if someone outside the program is progressing at a faster rate they take the place of the slower progressing player, that doesn't happen at ais Foz wrote a article about 4 years ago on the declining participation at clairefontain and its use in French football, have a look at it. Edited by robbo: 8/9/2015 04:31:20 PM Two words about Clairefontain: 1- Jonathan 2- Bru
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Thanks Robbo, good points. That's a low percentage in the u17s. Had a look for the Foster article but could t find it, can you let me know if you have a link? I do agree with you that the long term answer is youth teams at the top clubs, with, as you say , annual grading and assessment.
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U16's Joeys will be arriving in Vietnam tonight. Im also going and will be there next Tuesday I will keep you all posted as to how their going. If someone can find the live stream please post it.
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JDB03 wrote:U16's Joeys will be arriving in Vietnam tonight. Im also going and will be there next Tuesday I will keep you all posted as to how their going. If someone can find the live stream please post it. News on squad? Any changes or it's the same one from the AFF tournament? Good luck to your kid over there.
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Yes , good luck to the boys in veitnam , but please if they win report and also if they lose , U 17s not of social media prior to France game , after game ? No where to be found . Must learn to take the good with the bad ? Or is that too old fashioned?
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Barca4Life wrote:JDB03 wrote:U16's Joeys will be arriving in Vietnam tonight. Im also going and will be there next Tuesday I will keep you all posted as to how their going. If someone can find the live stream please post it. News on squad? Any changes or it's the same one from the AFF tournament? Good luck to your kid over there. Thanks barca Yeh two changes John Roberts striker and jasper kelley keeper not going and replaced by Mirza Muratovic and Jacob Botic.
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Jonsnow wrote:Yes , good luck to the boys in veitnam , but please if they win report and also if they lose , U 17s not of social media prior to France game , after game ? No where to be found .
Must learn to take the good with the bad ? Or is that too old fashioned? Win lose or draw I will let you know.
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JDB03 wrote:Barca4Life wrote:JDB03 wrote:U16's Joeys will be arriving in Vietnam tonight. Im also going and will be there next Tuesday I will keep you all posted as to how their going. If someone can find the live stream please post it. News on squad? Any changes or it's the same one from the AFF tournament? Good luck to your kid over there. Thanks barca Yeh two changes John Roberts striker and jasper kelley keeper not going and replaced by Mirza Muratovic and Jacob Botic. Cheers, whats happened to John Roberts? Assuming injury? He did quite well i thought.
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