Antonis is missing

Welcome to the world of science...where the goal is to be proven wrong before being established as concrete evidence. That is a good thing by the way. Probably one of the only few areas of study that believes in its own fallibility, as opposed to say...Economics.

Injured

---------------------Duncan-----------------

Geria-----Irvine----Galifuoco--Smith

--------------------Degenek----------------

------------Amini-----------De Silva----------

Ikonomidis-------Maclaren--------Taggart

Centre defensively we have Burgess, Donachie and Good out (remains to be seen if Good will ever be fit though). Antonis also obviously missing, whilst I still cannot believe Borello has been overlooked for Pain.

Needs a fit Ansell in there

Pretty sure Ikonomidis usually plays as a CAM or on the L. Hoole on the R. Although he isn't in the squad Borrello on the R would also have worked

O'Neill has been doing well for Sydney keeping Tavares out of the first eleven as DM.

Isn't he the right age for the Olyroos?

Apparently he's part of the train on squad.

Don't just quote some bits sonny. Context is important too.

This mismatch between the age stated in the official documents and biological maturity assessed from fusion of the distal radius in some U‐17 players cannot be clearly explained, but it supports the suspicion that some U‐17 players are older than stated in their official documents. Because of biological variability, the “true” age of an individual can only be estimated with a certain probability, but MRI of the wrist has been shown to be a reliable and valid method for estimating age in 14–19‐year‐old soccer players.8

Context ? the whole thing is relevant. Typical medical case study. But a case study nonetheless
It also didn't separate sample data based on culture, race, geographical location of test subjects. etc Most med studies do this in great detail.

Perhaps African boys even develop slower than European white boys because of factors such as malnutrition and other variables which don't seem to be investigated in this study. Why wouldn't they ?Maybe White U17 all pass the test w/ 100% rate

They are suffering from malnutrition while being relatively massive at 17.
IF Africans were slower to develop and that translated to wrist fusion then that would mean they have even more chance of passing the test.

Doubt it would translate to faster wrist fusion in that part of the world. Genetically they are black and we know that means better muscle tone/def fast twitch fibers. They could steal a loaf of bread better than say a white kid.

But they are probably are under developed really. Just enjoy football more than an .au kid and more desperate to impress

So where is your proof that proves they are more developed physically ?

Lots of uninformed nonsense here.

Andy Murray from GLASGOW/DUNBLANE (where people are basically as PALE as anywhere in the world) is quicker across 20m than Usain Bolt, a BLACK man who also happens to be the fastest man in the world across 100m or 200m.

What tell that tell you?

Nothing at all.

Being black doesn't necessarily make one faster. Also, how often is it necessary to run 100m in a football match. Andy Murray-esque speed is far more useful. And I don't see how being white is, necessarily, a disadvantage in that regard.

It needs to be broken down far, far more than black=faster. Yes. Some races have slight advantages here and there. Kenyans tend to be the best marathon runners. People whose heritage is Caribbean often have slight genetic advantages over white people when it comes to sprinting across 100m, 200m.

But this black=faster thing is crap as a blanket rule.

There are a heap of Aussie kids, who are white, who are lightning quick and agile. Look at the times at national junior carnival. There's a 16 year old white kid who can just about split ten seconds for the 100m. Then look at blokes playing AFL and rugby league. White guys who are absurdly fast and agile.

Look at the German U17 team. They were far quicker and more agile than our team.

And again. Some of the fastest and most agile are small, white and skinny. Height and perceived strength don't equate to speed and agility (which are more useful in football). Although athleticism isn't the be all and end all of football, it's important that some of your players are athletic in terms of speed and agility. At U17 level, there should be a few players who have that kind of athleticism. Don't worry about strength. It can be gained later. But speed and agility should already be present at that age.

Edited by quickflick: 5/11/2015 05:14:26 AM

This thread has deteriorated in to bullshit
We got our arse handed to us on a plate twice Germany and Nigeria and that is that.

Poor coaching and poor development coaches robbed the players of the opportunity to possess the ball and dictate play.

in peps words "it is 11 v 11 with one ball and we should intend on keeping the ball."

Not necessarily relating to the Aus national squads but the NTC Challenge is starting soon... Interested to see more of the talent pool for the 2000/01 born (next u17 Joeys)! Also interested to see how the new formation plays out ...!

Where is it being held and when?

It is difficult to find out when they are on these days. FFA don't advertise them.

Monday 30 November to Friday 4 December 2015 down at the AIS.

Is this group more stronger than the Joeys, talent wise.

Do they play the system(4-3-3) better as you say by new formation?

Alot of these kids would have benefited of at 2 to 3 years of SAP training, so it would be interesting see the effects of this, my understanding is the last batch of Joey's where only less than half of the squad who went through this training had most 1 year of SAP.



Edited by Barca4life: 5/11/2015 12:49:33 PM

From the bits and pieces I've seen so far, I'd say yes.

But with that said I've only watched the AFC Tournament where they didn't really have much competition.

My mistake... by new formation, I was actually referring to the new formation of the Challenge. I've heard that now the states play as a team for 2/3 games against other state teams in their pool and for the rest of the days, all of the lads are mixed into teams according to the ranking given by the TSG and play each other.

Yes i think you're right. Believe the 2001 lads are the first full SAP year and that most states will bring at least 2 or so 2001 boys. Interested to see if there's any 2001 standouts other than the current Joeys - Brooks, Roberts, Italiano.


Edited by jsoccerdoe: 5/11/2015 12:58:45 PM

So the new format is about player ID rather than the style of play which was the past doctrine, interesting change it would be interesting to see if it will work or not.

Great move by the FFA, have parents pay to have their sons looked at again/or for the first time for CoE scholarships, Joey...

Agree mate, the pay to play scheme especially at the elite level when identifying players to get into the NTC and AIS teams is one of the main reasons why our Talent ID system was broken, glad the current changes especially making the NTC teams training centres coinciding with the NPL/A-League Academies is overdue move.

We just need to continue to improving the coach education side year by year and we will continue to improve.

Edited by Barca4life: 5/11/2015 01:35:30 PM

We place far too much emphasis on our National Youth teams as a barometer of player development in Australia.
When we invest so much time and money into these National Teams and the pyramid below that these players come from the suggestion that a player in the these squads is not good enough or fails to perform sends a shiver down he spine of the people running these programs. The resources allocated to these areas means people need to justify their selections and programs to keep their status quo.
It should not be like this, again the resources need to be diverted to grassroots to raise the level of play from the general pool of players.
This will be how we will improve the game.

Munrubenmuz

What were you saying about price of joining the programme being a barrier where you are? Was it just for the SAP programme? And how much was it?

Now that study is less hectic, I'm making my own review of the whole thing shortly.

It's $600 for the SAP.

Club fees and match day fees are extra. So my bloke is training 2 days a week with SAP and 1 to 2 days a week with his club. ( His triangling quotient is right off the chart.)

Forgot to add that that's nothing compared to what they pay in the NPL. My other bloke was in the level down from the NPL in Brisbane and his fees were around $800.

A mate of mine had his kid in the NPL and it was around about $1800 from memory.

Try $2500 for Npl in Sydney .... Real joke

Wow.




Edited by munrubenmuz: 5/11/2015 09:52:24 PM

I think we need to start another thread about how to improve youth development in Australia

The costs of playing and coaching the sport is a real killer in this country, and honestly i don't the answer to this.

I suspect the game needs more revenue to feed the lower levels of the pyramid which isn't easy.

Anyway please keep this thread about the junior national teams please....