This formation is known as the attacking midfield triangle version of the 4-3-3.

This playing style is based on what successful powerhouses do.

It is harder to play - well. To play it well it is critical players maintain ball possession - and move effectively off the ball in possession. In some  instances this means 'checking' (shaking one's marker by  feinting one way, then running in  the opposite direction with some gained space).

Teams who play like Thailand and Vietnam do against us tend to have limited success at international level over a sustained period.
Van Gaal's AZ Alkmaar and Ajax tried to play the same way.

The same with recent Barca teams that  have adopted the Dutch school of football under the Cruyff influence. That is playing a high line, with the keeper used as a sweeper. The aim is to dominate possession.

Their recent school of thought in Holland is that in the past their players were better technically than their opposition. Recently there is a school of thought the Dutch have focused too much on whole team play as opposed to individual skill development.

Conversely, the Germans who borrowed heavily on the Dutch methodology in the early 2000s in revamping their curriculum, allocate half a player's time on the training track to working with the ball individually. 

Its not the same at all dude. these guys are technically miles ahead of the squads 5 years ago. The coaching however may be a different story 

At the moment our coaching is bordering on insanity.
For many years we have been doing the same thing over and over again and getting exactly the same result.
This team is the first dream team that have gone through the wonder dutch system ,from the start.But everything at national level looks the same as it ever was.same as it ever was.same as it ever was......Dumb dumb dumb.
You can't blame it on the kids.Each time they are different kids.They play the same each time and they get beaten the same way.INSANITY!.

Ironcally when the dutch coach was here and even under Okon we made world cup's playing with two 6s instead of the one holder and ever since we went to 4-1-2-3 our results have got worse.

Maybe our players are not that skilled in playing this system to the best of its ability 

We are too predictable in how we play thats why 

The once great Albert Einstein said 'doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results' 

That has pretty been the description for our youth teams in the 5 years since I've been observing them, we never learn its pretty simple.

I guess we should not be surprised anymore, it's a regular occurrence to lose to these teams these days.

I think Okon did well with the Mariners with limited cattle. I think he did better with CCM than underage national team coach. Arguably, they should've beaten SFC twice.

They should  be much better this year with more time for Okon to build the squad. A lot of the older  under 23 national talent played for Jets and CCM. The other HAL teams probably rely more on imports  and older Aussie journeymen than young Aussie  players. 

Lets be honest, the reason Arnie "performed" is because of sydneys larger budget and there's barely any aussie youth in that side 

yeah 10 a league clubs isn't a big enough pool to develop coaches

hopefully a 2nd division gets of the ground

Well we are producing better players.  They were much better 1 v 1 than their opponents.
Using those players to their ability seems to be the missing portion of the puzzle.

that should be a bread and butter finish there slide the ball past the keeper to the far post but nope

true.

despite the tactical fail we have had the opportunities to win this

the thing is we need three times the opportunities to get the same number of shots on goals and twice the shots on goal to draw level with out finishing so dour

this is the first group to come through the ntc and there is a lot to be pleased about but questions need to be asked about why the ntc hasn't improved finishing and what can be done to fix this

that's what I thought

at seniors even if you have a bad coach though you would hope one of the 10s would drop back to create an extra passing option. Not sure how important it is for youth to know this

I can only see the ball properly on the closest side of the pitch.

have a look at the youth coaches at rep level

okon finished way down the bottom of the a league. He got some of the most promising youth in the league and didnt really seem to add much value to them. Gumbou, Val, Ange and Arnie by contrast add a lot of value to youth players they have coached in the a league. Alistair edwards was ok at youth and a league level too he was a mid table coach. JVS is a mid table coach and has done better developing youth

unfortunately we have coaches that if they coached in the a league would do poorly

A second division fixes this because there are more tried and tested coaches to choose from rather than just giving the important role to someone the people in charge know

It would help to have two screeners instead of one.

So yes, it is the coach's fault.

Previously it was an edict from FFA that teams played with two screeners, certainly at under 15  level.

do you think this is the coaches fault for not tactically adjusting? the players fault for not problem solving on the pitch? Or something else

We have better players all over the park.  I just don't understand the failure to harness that talent.

That has been so predictable all night

Dodgy stream. I've just lost it.

With some of the aforementioned comments, Louis Van Gaal had to work hard to get this system working for Ajax at senior level . One difference is that the Australians always seem to play with an attacking midfield triangle now, instead of a defensive midfield triangle as originally used.

As Grazor has previously suggested, the number 6 is constantly getting crowded by Vietnamese players. 

its kind of an unbelievable thing to watch their players cut off any passes to the 6 (how many touches has he had) and so our cbs just pass it between themselves before bombing it down the wings and there being no tactical changes....

I think it was guys like Les Scheinflug.  But you have to remember we only had to put away the might of the Solomon Islands to get to the big stage.

It's close to tragic at times.  I might add that there has never been a time in our history when we've produced a crop of great strikers. 

yeah but at senior level it only took a few games to adapt to a new system. If you create technical players they can play any system

The NC only encorages coaches to play 4-3-3 mainly 4-2-3-1 or 4-1-2-3, same style and approach, this tournament tells me the NC has made our players technically much better but also has exposed a huge flaw which is the overall approach and system used, i now understand why people tell us we are too predictable

looks like no tactical changes we just created those two chances by getting through their press trap

a 10 needs to drop back

it should be noted that if the finishing is decent we draw level (as well as beating thai in the first game) and the first half is forgotton

for me the biggest flaw in the ntc is that finishing hasn't improved.

and again....

dour finishing aside I'm guessing we must have made a clever tactical change but I haven't figured it out yet

woah we got a huge overload in the final third and find a way not to score