Just so people know I'm for marriage equality, if gay couples want to be as miserable as the straight population than who are we to stop them :p.

The old "homosexuals are pea-do-philes" thing.

(sic) Marriage Equality? So in the case of alimony the woman and the man are of equal entitlement? Or have to fork out the same amount in Child Support

Im not sure what youre getting at here

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/26/u2-ireland-gay-marriage-_n_7442984.html

I assume marriage equality means that homosexual marriages would be equal to heterosexual marriages.

A civil union isn't the same.

That's for them to decide. Obviously one parent would take on the majority of the care and would be compensated for that.

Marriage equality and child adoption are two different things though :/

Take note of the SIC at the start of my post in a bid to create levity in the thread \:d/

;)

As am I, and I would imagine many are. It troubles me though that society is becoming increasingly demoralised becoming apathetic to not bother voicing their concerns anymore leaving certain groups to push their agendas and ideals unopposed.

I think your friend makes some good points. Adding 'Equality' to it I believe is weaponizing the term/movement so it becomes beyond reproach and all dissidents shall be branded heretics or other weaponized words like bigot or racist.

Edited by unshackled: 12/8/2015 05:55:20 PM

If you're apathetic then you shouldn't care either way. Clearly you do by your post.

oh boy :roll:

It's marriage equality because people aren't asking for the definition of marriage in law to say "between two people to the exclusion of others" Not have a brand new definition for "gay marriage" that's separate to heterosexual marriage. If you believe in egalitarianism then it absolutely should be beyond reproach.

I already posted this before but if an argument suggests in any way that gay couples are lesser than hetero couples then it's bigoted. I've never understood why people think they can have opinion and for it not to be criticised by those with differing opinions. Dunno where racism comes into this though :lol:

^ This!

Theres homeless people, people living in tents at Belmore Park in front of Central Station in a "rich" country like Australia, and people want gay marriage, seems like we have our priorities straight! :-({|=

I care when society is browbeat into submission and no longer has the will or the voice to self determination.

You are wasting your time attempting to use logic and the sanctimonious, he is protected by an impenetrable armour of smug.

That isn't equality, you are discriminating against Muslims, Mormons and anyone else who believes in polygamy. Bigot.

So smug :lol:

Yep it's impossible for people to actually think this is right and people are just too afraid of being "browbeaten" to speak up :lol:

I don't have a problem with criticism of many of the anti-gay marriage arguments, in fact I, like many, will argue in favour of marriage equality with an individual who argues against it. What I do have a problem with is people like yourself forcing potential social exclusion upon those with dissenting views by instantly labeling them as homophobic or bigoted. I've often argued about this subject with my parents and other older family members who believe that changes in marriage laws could lead to their misuse. I don't agree with them and argue that this already occurs in heterosexual relationships, but I do see some logic in the argument and can also see that there is nothing necessarily homophobic in this view.

Interesting, I'm open to arguments and I understand that people have prejudiced views. I just want those that do, recognise that they are in fact bigoted/prejudiced/homophobic.

What do they mean by misuse? Sham marriages to take advantage of benefits? They'll be more promiscuous and not take the sanctity of marriage seriously? Why would homosexuals be more likely to misuse marriage over heterosexuals?

Essentially this one. Marriages of convenience, helping people get residency Australia etc. Think about it, we all know of someone who has married somebody for visa reasons. Marriage equality could potentially increase such marriages. Many, if not most of these people may not even be homosexual or lesbian.

Again, i'm not saying I think this is a valid reason not to have marriage equality but its a legitimate concern.

At best I'd put that in the "against marriage in general" category but it has a fair whiff of "gays can't be trusted with marriage" as well.

Do supporters of same sex marriage also support the rights of siblings getting married?

Just a question.

In what way? Two people of the same sex getting married for financial/Visa purposes could be straight for all its worth. Its got nothing to do with actual gay people getting married and everything to do with those in society, straight, gay, bi, whatever, who look to take advantage of a situation.

Do you?

I thought you didn't care.

What I think is irrelevant.

I'm just curious what proponents of gay marriage argue.

Please answer the question.

Edited by 433: 13/8/2015 08:43:35 PM

Well it was commonplace years ago for relatives to get married. So yes, they can if they want. They're two consenting adults.

There is of course the problem of increased risk of congenital defects if they were to have children.

And, clearly, you do care.

How so?

inb4 you took the time out of your day to comment

Edited by 433: 13/8/2015 09:10:25 PM

In the way it's being used as a reason to not allow gay couples to marry but allow heterosexual couples.

I have a friend that married while working overseas to a foreigner, it wasn't that trivial to get a visa for her. Still happens of course.

If you take time out of your day to post on a topic, clearly you must care at least a little bit about it. Its ok to care, even just a little bit.

Generally, anything that is between consenting adults that doesn't harm others should be legal. Whether or not the increased risk of birth defects counts as harming others and I'd have to think about. Under these criteria I'd say polygamy should probably be legal too.

Oh and he absolutely does care.