Not to mention his is way too fat (in a football sense) to hold down a wing, especially in Angeball.

Firstly, unsure how Rogic would go as a left winger, I don't think he has the tank. Much better in behind the striker.

Secondly, if you're judging Oar's ability on Mick McCarthy's opinion best you watch a few Tommy Oar games.

The times I have seen him do quite well is when he's played centrally for Utrecht.

I've watched many games for the NT, Roar, even Utrecht when he's played on the left and his delivery for a supposed 'out and out left winger' is quite poor.

Everyone knows how good a manager McCarthy is? haven't you seen his tactics?


Edited by jas88: 10/11/2015 04:08:22 PM

When I was typing Mick McCarthy I was thinking of this meme :lol:

Thanks for starting this thread, The Select Few.

It is a great idea.:)

I'll save it on favourites.

On current fitness/health/actually being in Aus....



Who knows how theyll go pulling up from training tomorrow though.

Edit: if we are short after this game, can we pull some blokes (Galloway) from Olyroos squad for the next game? Fuck their friendlies - this is WCQ

Edited by roary's mane: 10/11/2015 10:17:50 PM

I'm pretty impressed with Risdon's recent form. I think he has as much talent as Herd and is in a better club scenario. Herd has been in the club wilderness for years, although talented.

To me, McGowan is a surprising selection. He has struggled at RB and there are about 6 CBs who've performed better in the last few years. In my replays and stats, Elrich has been a far better RB.

McGowan, Davo and Jedi are manifesting as Ange favourites. I'd love to sit down with Ange and ask him detailed questions about their selection whilst replaying match videos and showing him some of these players' failings and/or decision making, apart from Davo having little competition for his position.

ATM I don't think Jedi and McGowan should be selected, the latter because he has not been playing for Palace.

Just about every other selection Ange has made I agree with, without any equivocation.

Edited by Decentric: 10/11/2015 10:22:31 PM

That is a very inexperienced line up.

One has to know one's own game well enough to organise others.

I dont assiduously follow Aussies Abroad.

The other night on TV it seems that Federici has only been on the bench at club level.

Am I right?

Ange has said players playing regularly is an important criterion for selection. Yet he seems to apply this edict selectively.

Edited by Decentric: 10/11/2015 10:20:49 PM

Bang on the money.


Unfortunately for Rogic and Luongo, Mooy is playing better than either ATM.

Since the Asian Cup, Mooy has been our best outfield player along with Milligan and Spira.

If I meet Tom Rogic I'll ask him his opinion of your crossing when you were teammates.:lol:

He actually played on the weekend. Matt Ryan is the one who has hardly been training.

Ange has continued to play a 1-4-3-3, with the attacking midfield triangle, with the wingers often tucking in.

Luongo has often been a winger.

I thought the commentators said he was filling in for the first choice keeper.

I think the squads here are examples of idiots out of controls.
One of Mooy,Luongo and Rogic only, 3 of them add Burns you might as well launch a white flag at the start of the game.
Of those 3 only Luongo can really defend and win the ball but he has been really lazy.
Mooy I am just amazed how many plaudits he gets while just trotting back with world cup qualification on the line.
He is a liability and I would rather have Melling in the squad because he carries him at club level.
People who say Oar can't cross , heaps of goals have been scored off his crosses.
I would go with Troisi with MIlligan and Jedinak in the midfield.
Then I would play Risdon at the right wing because Burns is too lazy to start.
Oar on the left and CAhill to score from crosses.

Nickk, I often agree with your evaluations, but regarding Mooy you must be losing your marbles, or smoking some skunk cannabis.:lol: ](*,)




Edited by Decentric: 10/11/2015 11:16:07 PM

Bang on the money here, Nickk.=d>

My stats show he is our best crosser, but Oar is enigmatic in terms of consistency.

Given Jedinak hasn't played, I would probably play Troisi and Mooy with Milligan at the base of an attacking midfield triangle .

Troisi is very fast, has a good engine and tracks back effectively against opposition accelerated attacks.

I really thought Risdon might be a chance until Mitch Austin and Ferriera made him look silly in round 1. Given our dearth of decent fullbacks and the injuries we have I would go for.


I would also protect the fullbacks by having two screeners - albeit with a licence to team up with Tommy. Timmy to start but be told he won't be playing the whole game.

Juric to get game time

Edited by patjennings: 10/11/2015 11:20:54 PM

I'm a huge Risdon fan.

I think he has the potential to become number 1 at RB.

No defensive midfielders ? just bizarre tbh

Geria and Deng will smash back doors in.

Missed that game.

Those two Mariners have some serious pace. How did they make Risdon look silly?

Often FBs can be blamed for team-mates not covering when they go forwards and overlap.

I'm a huge Milligan fan, but not as RB. His ability to turn and chase and jockey fast ball carriers would be an issue for him. Recently he has performed better than Jedi as sole screener.

Ange would be ill advised to play Jedinak instead of Milligan, unless he pushes Milligan into an attacking midfield role. Most of the other attacking mids have better ball carrying and acceleration over the turf in 1v1s than Milligan.

Edited by Decentric: 10/11/2015 11:24:53 PM

You really don't put any credence into the leagues in which they ply their trade do you ?

It was the pace that did him. Austin turned him inside and out and then Fabio switched and did the same thing. He had a torrid time all afternoon.

I had also reconsidered Milligan in the couple of minutes after my initial post see the post at 11:20.



Edited by patjennings: 10/11/2015 11:33:09 PM

Luongo has always been a DM - he is just playing out of position with Ange

I evaluate them as to how they play for the national team when conditions are relatively equal for all players.

So, no.

Overseas leagues can not be used as an indicator as to how players perform as Socceroos.

Also, the local scenario has changed immeasurably in the last few years. HAL coaches trained in Oz have very, very good coach education now.

Overseas players play in the right leagues would likely receive more experienced coaches using the same style of coaching. In some Euro leagues, probably most, they would receive worse coaching.

I've read about how blown out some of the new players are with the professionalism of the Socceroo camps compared to their European clubs.

Europe compared to Australia is not like it was 20 years ago. There also a chasm in the standard of European leagues between the big five and some of the more obscure leagues.

Some players ostensibly stars in Europe like Macca, Paddy K, Tommy Oar, for whatever reason have failed to extrapolate their club form to the game plan for the Socceroos as their club career would indicate.

Others, popular scapegoats by fans, exemplified in Jade North, Holman ( for a while) Matt Mckay, Richard Garcia, have been more effective at Socceroo level than their club football would indicate.

In the role he plays since the World Cup, Davo is close to our worst player in terms of consistency and game sense, yet he plays in the 6th richest league in the world.

Shame.

I was hoping Risdon had the pace to run down some of the lightning quick Asian forwards. He ran down FBK on Saturday and outperformed him over the course of the game.

There are possibly extenuating factors, but they could just be excuses for the following facts.

The Socceroos in 2007, with all its Euroroos who got the the last 16 of the 2006 World Cup, were knocked out in the last 8 of the Asian Cup in 2007.

This year, with few Euroroos playing in big leagues, the Socceroos won the Asian Cup.