He said that abortion should be considered murder and in the US murder can carry the death penalty.

Penny Wong wouldn't know. She's not an expert.

isnt that standard rhetoric for pro lifers though?

The question you should be asking, is this comment so abhorrent that we should prevent someone from coming to the country?

The government is deciding what we are allowed to be subjected to. This is propaganda. This is authoritarianism.

The ALP are supporting it so its bipartisan.

Of course not.

u4486662 is right. That you've said that demonstrates how far this debate has been derailed by both the right-wing Christian nutjobs who advocate the death penalty and don't believe in social welfare and by hardcore ultra feminists. In another thread it was asked what the non-religious arguments against abortion are. I was staggered.

Not to support the Catholic Church, but the Catholic Church's stance is pro-life and anti-death penalty. In saying that, plenty of Catholics deviate from these views.

And, of course, there are plenty of people who are not religious or politically conservative who oppose the right to abortion on ethical grounds.

Plenty of people who hold pro-life views don't believe in the death penalty full stop and don't believe that everybody who wants/approves of abortion wants to kill kids.

I'm not actually arguing one way or the other, simply pointing out that this is rather a complex issue and it's fairly emotional.

"I disagree with everything you say but will defend, to the death, your right to say it"

-falsely attributed to Voltaire

but some of the greatest words ever uttered

Serves him right. Those 'stars' think they can get away with anything.

I meant in terms of people thinking abortion is murder, not the death penalty part. I should have clarified, my mistake


This is essentially my whole point. We cannot start picking and choosing these things, it goes against everything freedom of speech and freedom of thinking is about.