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Quote:Charges have been dismissed against five alleged bikies detained under Queensland's anti-association laws. The men were arrested while buying ice-cream when they were on holiday in Surfers Paradise on the Gold Coast last year. Police offered no evidence against the men during the hearing at Southport Magistrates Court. Bane Alajbegovic, Dario Halilovic, Kresmir Basic, Darren Haley and Daniel Lovett, from Dandenong in Victoria, were charged with being a participant in a criminal organisation and being knowingly present in public places with two or more people who are participants in a criminal organisation. Their only sin, their only crime, was to buy an ice-cream in a public place - the great controversy here was whether it was going to be choc top or vanilla. Lawyer Bill Potts None of the men were in court for the hearing but outside court the solicitor for some of the men, Bill Potts, said some of the men spent three weeks in custody and taxpayers had paid about $500,000 for the case to be pursued. "Their only sin, their only crime, was to buy an ice-cream in a public place - the great controversy here was whether it was going to be choc top or vanilla," he said. "There was no crime, there was no planned crime - all these people were doing was walking down a street and for two of them, sitting in a closed and locked hotel room when the police charged them with these offences. [size=7]"Quite frankly, it has been a political stunt right from the beginning to make the people feel safe, rather than give then the actuality of safeness."[/size] Under Queensland's anti-bikie laws, introduced by the former Liberal National Party government, it is illegal for three or more participants of a criminal organisation to gather in public. No-one has been convicted under the laws. New Attorney-General Yvette D'Ath said in February the Labor Government would review the laws. The special taskforce reviewing the laws is due to report to Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk in December. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-28/charges-dismissed-against-five-alleged-bikies-in-qld/6809312
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BETHFC
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Nice thread title.
As a Queenslander, the bikie laws have made a noticeable difference, particularly in the club areas and gym's of the Gold Coast.
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Crusader
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The same thread title could be used for left wing governments and global warming, except of course that bikie crime is real.
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This is not a "right wing government" thing, its an authoritarian thing and that can be either left or right wing.
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benelsmore wrote:Nice thread title.
As a Queenslander, the bikie laws have made a noticeable difference, particularly in the club areas and gym's of the Gold Coast. What has research into the laws effectiveness been found and what statistically significant change can be demonstrated?
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BETHFC
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:benelsmore wrote:Nice thread title.
As a Queenslander, the bikie laws have made a noticeable difference, particularly in the club areas and gym's of the Gold Coast. What has research into the laws effectiveness been found and what statistically significant change can be demonstrated? Fuck off with this bullshit. I live on the Gold Coast. It's nice to be able to go out to dinner in Surfers without having some bloke covered in face tats staring you down.
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Crusader
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benelsmore wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:benelsmore wrote:Nice thread title.
As a Queenslander, the bikie laws have made a noticeable difference, particularly in the club areas and gym's of the Gold Coast. What has research into the laws effectiveness been found and what statistically significant change can be demonstrated? Fuck off with this bullshit. I live on the Gold Coast. It's nice to be able to go out to dinner in Surfers without having some bloke covered in face tats staring you down. You can't rely upon personal experience to make a judgement as you are blinded by your own proximity to the issue. The only way to make a point is with research that demonstrates statistically significant change, speaking of which where is the research showing that right wing governments use fear mongering to manipulate the public and how does it relate to the VLAD laws?
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Crusader wrote:benelsmore wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:benelsmore wrote:Nice thread title.
As a Queenslander, the bikie laws have made a noticeable difference, particularly in the club areas and gym's of the Gold Coast. What has research into the laws effectiveness been found and what statistically significant change can be demonstrated? Fuck off with this bullshit. I live on the Gold Coast. It's nice to be able to go out to dinner in Surfers without having some bloke covered in face tats staring you down. You can't rely upon personal experience to make a judgement as you are blinded by your own proximity to the issue. The only way to make a point is with research that demonstrates statistically significant change, speaking of which where is the research showing that right wing governments use fear mongering to manipulate the public and how does it relate to the VLAD laws? Its not just the "right" wing parties who agreed with vlad laws. The left as well agree with it. I dint agree with the vlad laws since i work with some unsavory types and if i do meet up with them after work i can be arrested for fraternising with them.
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Crusader wrote:benelsmore wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:benelsmore wrote:Nice thread title.
As a Queenslander, the bikie laws have made a noticeable difference, particularly in the club areas and gym's of the Gold Coast. What has research into the laws effectiveness been found and what statistically significant change can be demonstrated? Fuck off with this bullshit. I live on the Gold Coast. It's nice to be able to go out to dinner in Surfers without having some bloke covered in face tats staring you down. You can't rely upon personal experience to make a judgement as you are blinded by your own proximity to the issue. The only way to make a point is with research that demonstrates statistically significant change, speaking of which where is the research showing that right wing governments use fear mongering to manipulate the public and how does it relate to the VLAD laws? Because being blinded by research on 'test cases' and 'sample groups' is soooooooooooooo much better....
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Authoritarianism is certainly not necessarily a right or left wing issue
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Authoritarianism is independent of the left/right axis.
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Barack Obama is closest to the centre and hence why he has been a great President :)
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u4486662 wrote:Authoritarianism is independent of the left/right axis.  you don't know about that graph...i would think Stalin and Hitler are well past Newt Gingrich :lol:
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trident wrote:Barack Obama is closest to the centre and hence why he has been a great President :) time will tell....i can't work out if Obama been really smart, or has really fuck everything up (for USA, it doesn't matter what happens to Middle East)
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Those QLD Bikie laws to me always seemed as if they would come across as ridiculous to an outsider but if you actually lived in the affected areas it would be a much different story.
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Good work Ricey
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adrtho wrote:u4486662 wrote:Authoritarianism is independent of the left/right axis.  you don't know about that graph...i would think Stalin and Hitler are well past Newt Gingrich :lol: With authoritarianism, they are the same. Its not a test of whether they are nice or evil, just the level of control. Makes you wonder.
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Fear mongering? Does anyone remember the Labor's WorkChoices ads?
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:benelsmore wrote:Nice thread title.
As a Queenslander, the bikie laws have made a noticeable difference, particularly in the club areas and gym's of the Gold Coast. What has research into the laws effectiveness been found and what statistically significant change can be demonstrated? yeah lets forget real peoples experiences and on the ground dealings for clinical stats that are generally manipulated by the organisation conducting them...... your a funny Kunt, you come on here and try and be holier than thou with elevated opinions of yourself as if you are some sort of expert and mentor, in reality your far more brainwashed and regimented then the average joe on the street....... remind me of some of the youth of today......... EG: i want to be different = i will get a tattoo, listen to JJJ, vote labor and do a fringe UNI course that is equivalent to stacking shelves at coles but at least i can say i went to uni, ........hey that's original.#-o #-o you are the useless kunt on the side of the road watching the NRMA serviceman change your tyre because you don't know how and need to do a study into 1/. finding the spare wheel 2/. finding the jack 3/. locating the lifting point, 4/. working out which way the wheel nut rotate to loosen, 5/. how to reverse the previous 4 steps to get packed up and mobile again...... a fine example of the sheep we are breeding today, need a stat or study to tell you what to do, and you believe them......\:d/ \:d/ \:d/ \:d/ \:d/ ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)
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batfink wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:benelsmore wrote:Nice thread title.
As a Queenslander, the bikie laws have made a noticeable difference, particularly in the club areas and gym's of the Gold Coast. What has research into the laws effectiveness been found and what statistically significant change can be demonstrated? yeah lets forget real peoples experiences and on the ground dealings for clinical stats that are generally manipulated by the organisation conducting them...... your a funny Kunt, you come on here and try and be holier than thou with elevated opinions of yourself as if you are some sort of expert and mentor, in reality your far more brainwashed and regimented then the average joe on the street....... remind me of some of the youth of today......... EG: i want to be different = i will get a tattoo, listen to JJJ, vote labor and do a fringe UNI course that is equivalent to stacking shelves at coles but at least i can say i went to uni, ........hey that's original.#-o #-o you are the useless kunt on the side of the road watching the NRMA serviceman change your tyre because you don't know how and need to do a study into 1/. finding the spare wheel 2/. finding the jack 3/. locating the lifting point, 4/. working out which way the wheel nut rotate to loosen, 5/. how to reverse the previous 4 steps to get packed up and mobile again...... a fine example of the sheep we are breeding today, need a stat or study to tell you what to do, and you believe them......\:d/ \:d/ \:d/ \:d/ \:d/ ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) This is a good rant. I whole heartedly agree. This reminds of a time about 10 years ago when I got really stoned with a mate and we were driving to pick up our flatmate who worked at Hungry Jacks when we ran over a piece of glass and blew a tyre. There we were, in the carpark, baked off our minds trying to change a tyre. But, alas we did it. It was quite an achievement.
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