That we are now happily contemplating expanding our (flawed) control order laws and locking up 14-year-olds on suspicion (not proof) of what they may do is a fascinating reflection of how far we've come, writes Michael Bradley (managing partner of Marque Lawyers)

It's timely to recall that one of the key justifications put up by the Federal Government for introducing its data retention law was that it was necessary to prevent another Lindt Café.

The inconvenient facts, that Man Haron Monis had been under close surveillance, which the police had dropped, and that they could already have obtained his data under existing laws but didn't, were discarded in the legislative rush.

Here we are again - new Prime Minister and less strident language notwithstanding - being played for fools.

Farhad Jabar's awful crime in Parramatta, or more specifically that he happened to be 15 years old, is being used to justify the next wave of draconian laws designed to protect or terrify us, depending on your perspective.

Malcolm Turnbull has announced that the minimum age for control orders will be reduced from 16 to 14, and the control order regime will be beefed up further by allowing monitoring of the person and introducing provisions that will prevent them from having access to some of the evidence being relied on to support the order. NSW Premier Mike Baird also wants the current maximum detention period to be extended from eight to 28 days.......
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-15/bradley-control-orders-a-step-closer-to-police-state/6855636

Data retention won't stop fuck all :lol:

As for Police state, we're already there.

-PB

Farhad Jabar's awful crime in Parramatta, or more specifically that he happened to be 15 years old, is being used to justify the next wave of draconian laws designed to protect or terrify us, depending on your perspective.

This thread actually proves Australia is not a police state.

Thanks Malcolm. All that fear mongering, that you righties are so well versed in, makes me appreciate these laws. Together with all those efforts towards border 'protection' just helps me to get a couple more hours sleep at night.

Thanks Malcolm. All that fear mongering, that you righties are so well versed in, makes me appreciate these laws. Together with all those efforts towards border 'protection' just helps me to get a couple more hours sleep at night.

If fuckwits didn't breathe these laws wouldn't be necessary.

Labor are in on this too, so not exactly a right wing conspiracy.

This.

The chambers were empty when they brought in this bill.

LNP-Lite just let it through without even a whimper of opposition.

-PB

Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

Yes, it's pretty sad.
With an aging and hence more irrationally fearful population, Labor knows where it's bread is buttered.

Yes, it's pretty sad.
With an aging and hence more irrationally fearful population, Labor knows where it's bread is buttered.

Some serious tin foil hat shit in here.

Beats living in a Zombie State, where free-thinking and innovation is strangled.

A word of advice for the conspiracy theorists.

Don't ever use the term "false flag" or you lose credibility. The government does not need to create false flag events to bring in laws that restrict freedoms, they just need to wait for one nut bag to do it for them.

The Lindt cafe siege was inevitable. The teenage radical Parramatta shooting was also inevitable.

Wasn't there also a kid (maybe 18 not sure) who recently stabbed a couple of cops with the intention of beheading one of them before getting shot?

The question you should be asking is whether these new laws will help prevent these events in the future, or whether the laws will predominately be used for other more restrictive reasons?

Abbott's trick (which was well supported by Gillard) was to introduce pathetic laws so that we lose rights as citizens.

Step 1
Create fear in the Community (whether via False Flag incidents, media influence or otherwise)

Step 2
Government introduces new ‘Security Laws’under the guise of protecting the community, but the Laws are really there to keep the common man in line.

Step 3
Keep going with Step 1 and Step 2 until the common man is beaten to a pulp.

Welcome to Australia 2015, you’re ‘half asleep’ nation. Lindt Cafe is viewed by many as a False Flag incident.



MetaData Laws were being considered long before the Lindt cafe. Check Canada’s “C-51” laws for more. The US have also found its MetaData Laws unconstitutional, so why hasn’t Australia followed?

People here are too busy worrying about the NRL, MasterChef and other crap to wake up.



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Beats living in a Zombie State, where free-thinking and innovation is strangled.

What is your solution? No laws and everyone just does what they want ?