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One senior administration official said the CIA has found that the Kurds directly coordinated with Russian forces recently during an attack on the headquarters of the [size=8]CIA-backed Syrian opposition [/size]in the town of Marea. The official said the U.S. intelligence is that Kurdish troops laid down tracer fire on the building just before Russian bombers destroyed it. Another U.S. official disputed this account.


http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-02-23/obama-administration-fights-itself-over-role-of-syrian-kurds


thats code for ISIS


so, why is US air force bombing own ISIS???????????


They're not. They only say they are.
Refer to my earlier response when you asked the same question.


and Royal Australian air forces ? they are not bombing ISIS, they telling Australia bullshit when they say they bomb ISIS?

Edited by adrtho: 25/2/2016 02:03:38 AM


I'm not aware of the RAF bombing anyone. I understood they were providing airdrops, ie food and supplies (allegedly for the Kurds, but more likely going to the 'rebels')


I know you pride yourself on being an idiot but can you explain how the RAAF plans to airdrop food and supplies from Super Hornets? As a former JTAC I am genuinely interested.


When did I ever claim that?
Stop trying to be a smart arse by reframing the discussion around your own parameters dipshit.



it far better then talk around your dipshit parameters, you're in anti American , Anti-Jew crazy land
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adrtho wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
Crusader wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
adrtho wrote:
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adrtho wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
adrtho wrote:
now it start to come out

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One senior administration official said the CIA has found that the Kurds directly coordinated with Russian forces recently during an attack on the headquarters of the [size=8]CIA-backed Syrian opposition [/size]in the town of Marea. The official said the U.S. intelligence is that Kurdish troops laid down tracer fire on the building just before Russian bombers destroyed it. Another U.S. official disputed this account.


http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-02-23/obama-administration-fights-itself-over-role-of-syrian-kurds


thats code for ISIS


so, why is US air force bombing own ISIS???????????


They're not. They only say they are.
Refer to my earlier response when you asked the same question.


and Royal Australian air forces ? they are not bombing ISIS, they telling Australia bullshit when they say they bomb ISIS?

Edited by adrtho: 25/2/2016 02:03:38 AM


I'm not aware of the RAF bombing anyone. I understood they were providing airdrops, ie food and supplies (allegedly for the Kurds, but more likely going to the 'rebels')


I know you pride yourself on being an idiot but can you explain how the RAAF plans to airdrop food and supplies from Super Hornets? As a former JTAC I am genuinely interested.


When did I ever claim that?
Stop trying to be a smart arse by reframing the discussion around your own parameters dipshit.



it far better then talk around your dipshit parameters, you're in anti American , Anti-Jew crazy land


more shit talk from forum's #1 shit-talker ^
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Crusader wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
Crusader wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
adrtho wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
adrtho wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
adrtho wrote:
now it start to come out

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One senior administration official said the CIA has found that the Kurds directly coordinated with Russian forces recently during an attack on the headquarters of the [size=8]CIA-backed Syrian opposition [/size]in the town of Marea. The official said the U.S. intelligence is that Kurdish troops laid down tracer fire on the building just before Russian bombers destroyed it. Another U.S. official disputed this account.


http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-02-23/obama-administration-fights-itself-over-role-of-syrian-kurds


thats code for ISIS


so, why is US air force bombing own ISIS???????????


They're not. They only say they are.
Refer to my earlier response when you asked the same question.


and Royal Australian air forces ? they are not bombing ISIS, they telling Australia bullshit when they say they bomb ISIS?

Edited by adrtho: 25/2/2016 02:03:38 AM


I'm not aware of the RAF bombing anyone. I understood they were providing airdrops, ie food and supplies (allegedly for the Kurds, but more likely going to the 'rebels')


I know you pride yourself on being an idiot but can you explain how the RAAF plans to airdrop food and supplies from Super Hornets? As a former JTAC I am genuinely interested.


When did I ever claim that?
Stop trying to be a smart arse by reframing the discussion around your own parameters dipshit.


You claimed it in the exact post that I quoted.

You said that the RAAF is not bombing anyone, but that you understood they were dropping food and supplies for the Kurds but actually going to the rebels. The RAAF has deployed Super Hornets to the carry out the bombing missions that you claim are actually supply runs for the rebels. Please explain how the Super a hornet is used for that role.


Hey Unshackled, still waiting for an answer.
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Crusader wrote:
Crusader wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
Crusader wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
adrtho wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
adrtho wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
adrtho wrote:
now it start to come out

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One senior administration official said the CIA has found that the Kurds directly coordinated with Russian forces recently during an attack on the headquarters of the [size=8]CIA-backed Syrian opposition [/size]in the town of Marea. The official said the U.S. intelligence is that Kurdish troops laid down tracer fire on the building just before Russian bombers destroyed it. Another U.S. official disputed this account.


http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-02-23/obama-administration-fights-itself-over-role-of-syrian-kurds


thats code for ISIS


so, why is US air force bombing own ISIS???????????


They're not. They only say they are.
Refer to my earlier response when you asked the same question.


and Royal Australian air forces ? they are not bombing ISIS, they telling Australia bullshit when they say they bomb ISIS?

Edited by adrtho: 25/2/2016 02:03:38 AM


I'm not aware of the RAF bombing anyone. I understood they were providing airdrops, ie food and supplies (allegedly for the Kurds, but more likely going to the 'rebels')


I know you pride yourself on being an idiot but can you explain how the RAAF plans to airdrop food and supplies from Super Hornets? As a former JTAC I am genuinely interested.


When did I ever claim that?
Stop trying to be a smart arse by reframing the discussion around your own parameters dipshit.


You claimed it in the exact post that I quoted.

You said that the RAAF is not bombing anyone, but that you understood they were dropping food and supplies for the Kurds but actually going to the rebels. The RAAF has deployed Super Hornets to the carry out the bombing missions that you claim are actually supply runs for the rebels. Please explain how the Super a hornet is used for that role.


Hey Unshackled, still waiting for an answer.


this is what i was referring
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-to-send-aid-planes-to-northern-iraq-after-us-request-20140809-3dfhu.html

and this

http://www.smh.com.au/world/australiansupplied-weapons-have-reached-the-kurdish-frontline-20140911-10ffla.html

I never claimed the FA18 campaign was providing airdrops so fuck off.
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TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Crusader wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
Crusader wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
adrtho wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
adrtho wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
adrtho wrote:
now it start to come out

Quote:
One senior administration official said the CIA has found that the Kurds directly coordinated with Russian forces recently during an attack on the headquarters of the [size=8]CIA-backed Syrian opposition [/size]in the town of Marea. The official said the U.S. intelligence is that Kurdish troops laid down tracer fire on the building just before Russian bombers destroyed it. Another U.S. official disputed this account.


http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-02-23/obama-administration-fights-itself-over-role-of-syrian-kurds


thats code for ISIS


so, why is US air force bombing own ISIS???????????


They're not. They only say they are.
Refer to my earlier response when you asked the same question.


and Royal Australian air forces ? they are not bombing ISIS, they telling Australia bullshit when they say they bomb ISIS?

Edited by adrtho: 25/2/2016 02:03:38 AM


I'm not aware of the RAF bombing anyone. I understood they were providing airdrops, ie food and supplies (allegedly for the Kurds, but more likely going to the 'rebels')


I know you pride yourself on being an idiot but can you explain how the RAAF plans to airdrop food and supplies from Super Hornets? As a former JTAC I am genuinely interested.


When did I ever claim that?
Stop trying to be a smart arse by reframing the discussion around your own parameters dipshit.


You claimed it in the exact post that I quoted.

You said that the RAAF is not bombing anyone, but that you understood they were dropping food and supplies for the Kurds but actually going to the rebels. The RAAF has deployed Super Hornets to the carry out the bombing missions that you claim are actually supply runs for the rebels. Please explain how the Super a hornet is used for that role.


Hey Unshackled, still waiting for an answer.


this is what i was referring
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-to-send-aid-planes-to-northern-iraq-after-us-request-20140809-3dfhu.html

and this

http://www.smh.com.au/world/australiansupplied-weapons-have-reached-the-kurdish-frontline-20140911-10ffla.html

I never claimed the FA18 campaign was providing airdrops so fuck off.


this is not in Syria is it, it in Iraq ...and it's years ago
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#Russia as usual, shamelessly lying. How can anyone seriously think of negotiating with such a band of liars.

Claims of a breach in the Syria truce in Rastan, Homs by pro-Assad forces

After the 1st ceasefire day saw 'only' 26 killed civilians by #Assad,day 2 is "back to normal"

i guess the ceasefire is over after 1 day
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adrtho wrote:
#Russia as usual, shamelessly lying. How can anyone seriously think of negotiating with such a band of liars.

And the Americans/West are any better?? They are all as bad as each other.

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#Russia as usual, shamelessly lying. How can anyone seriously think of negotiating with such a band of liars.

And the Americans/West are any better?? They are all as bad as each other.


yes they are better ....this is a mistake many people make, that all bad thing happen are equal bad...they are not

USA does something bad, we find out about it...press finds out, we talk about....USA bombs one hospital, the USA will have a press conference about it.....Russia bomb 14 hospital in a week, and they tell the world press that USA did

people a lazy or dumb when they say USA (West) is the same as a dictator

USA is the solo super power, if you think the world would be the same if Russia was the solo super power ? or China ? they are not all the same

I think there a very big chance Russia will use a nuke bomb in next 4 year , (in the 100s 1 in 100 chance 1 in 200 chance range)

they are not all the same


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Areas with heavy Nusra(and its affliates) presence are NOT part of the cesssation of hostilities.

Apparently 97 factions have agreed to the terms(which gives you an idea of just how fractured the opposition is)



These are the areas under ceasefir accoiding to PRO russia media.

The cessation is mostly holding bettr than expected, personally I see it as more about the U.S. and Russia seeing who is willing to negotiate.

IS attacke the SDF in Tal Abyad yesterday from WITHIN Turkish borders (reported by YPG/opposition and opposition sources.

Edited by iridium1010: 28/2/2016 09:08:19 PM
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Iridium1010 wrote:
Areas with heavy Nusra(and its affliates) presence are NOT part of the cesssation of hostilities.

Apparently 97 factions have agreed to the terms(which gives you an idea of just how fractured the opposition is)



These are the areas under ceasefir accoiding to PRO russia media.

The cessation is mostly holding bettr than expected, personally I see it as more about the U.S. and Russia seeing who is willing to negotiate.

IS attacke the SDF in Tal Abyad yesterday from WITHIN Turkish borders (reported by YPG/opposition and opposition sources.

Edited by iridium1010: 28/2/2016 09:08:19 PM


and..Russia saying all Sunni Rebels are Nusra...and very small yellow bits they say there no Nusra

this ceasefire is already dead, Today....because Russia go back to bombing the so called Nusra all over rebel zones today

you have to say, Russia and SAA have start ed new offense today

Edited by adrtho: 28/2/2016 09:26:49 PM
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Russians resume air strikes nr Bab al Hawa in continuation of offensive begun Thursday -- an area where Nusra not a player -- multisources

Multiple reports of chemical attacks using improvised rockets by ISIS against #Sinjar over the last few days.

Reports of a chemical attack carried out by Da'ish on Sinjar, NW #Iraq, yesterday. Dozens (maybe 100+) affected.

Edited by adrtho: 28/2/2016 09:30:08 PM
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adrtho wrote:
Iridium1010 wrote:
Areas with heavy Nusra(and its affliates) presence are NOT part of the cesssation of hostilities.

Apparently 97 factions have agreed to the terms(which gives you an idea of just how fractured the opposition is)



These are the areas under ceasefir accoiding to PRO russia media.

The cessation is mostly holding bettr than expected, personally I see it as more about the U.S. and Russia seeing who is willing to negotiate.

IS attacke the SDF in Tal Abyad yesterday from WITHIN Turkish borders (reported by YPG/opposition and opposition sources.

Edited by iridium1010: 28/2/2016 09:08:19 PM


and..Russia saying all Sunni Rebels are Nusra...and very small yellow bits they say there no Nusra

this ceasefire is already dead, Today....because Russia go back to bombing the so called Nusra all over rebel zones today

you have to say, Russia and SAA have start ed new offense today

Edited by adrtho: 28/2/2016 09:26:49 PM


The majority of the rebels in the north are linked to Nusra and arent part of the cessation, and Nusra itself has presence all over Syria, its one of the strongest groups inside syria.

What new offensive are you talking about? Reports of a few rockets, or gunfire hardly means the ceasefire is dead.

The cessation was never going to stop fighting, all over syria, neither was intended to do so.
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Iridium1010 wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Iridium1010 wrote:
Areas with heavy Nusra(and its affliates) presence are NOT part of the cesssation of hostilities.

Apparently 97 factions have agreed to the terms(which gives you an idea of just how fractured the opposition is)



These are the areas under ceasefir accoiding to PRO russia media.

The cessation is mostly holding bettr than expected, personally I see it as more about the U.S. and Russia seeing who is willing to negotiate.

IS attacke the SDF in Tal Abyad yesterday from WITHIN Turkish borders (reported by YPG/opposition and opposition sources.

Edited by iridium1010: 28/2/2016 09:08:19 PM


and..Russia saying all Sunni Rebels are Nusra...and very small yellow bits they say there no Nusra

this ceasefire is already dead, Today....because Russia go back to bombing the so called Nusra all over rebel zones today

you have to say, Russia and SAA have start ed new offense today

Edited by adrtho: 28/2/2016 09:26:49 PM


The majority of the rebels in the north are linked to Nusra and arent part of the cessation, and Nusra itself has presence all over Syria, its one of the strongest groups inside syria.

What new offensive are you talking about? Reports of a few rockets, or gunfire hardly means the ceasefire is dead.

The cessation was never going to stop fighting, all over syria, neither was intended to do so.


new offensive or the same as last week....Russian Bombing level today is the same as Friday ....maybe your just to slow to pick this up?

then there no hope for war to stop, and there nothing that Russia and SAA can do to win, all they cam do is bomb all the city to the ground, and kill as many people as they can ..

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adrtho wrote:
Iridium1010 wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Iridium1010 wrote:
Areas with heavy Nusra(and its affliates) presence are NOT part of the cesssation of hostilities.

Apparently 97 factions have agreed to the terms(which gives you an idea of just how fractured the opposition is)



These are the areas under ceasefir accoiding to PRO russia media.

The cessation is mostly holding bettr than expected, personally I see it as more about the U.S. and Russia seeing who is willing to negotiate.

IS attacke the SDF in Tal Abyad yesterday from WITHIN Turkish borders (reported by YPG/opposition and opposition sources.

Edited by iridium1010: 28/2/2016 09:08:19 PM


and..Russia saying all Sunni Rebels are Nusra...and very small yellow bits they say there no Nusra

this ceasefire is already dead, Today....because Russia go back to bombing the so called Nusra all over rebel zones today

you have to say, Russia and SAA have start ed new offense today

Edited by adrtho: 28/2/2016 09:26:49 PM


The majority of the rebels in the north are linked to Nusra and arent part of the cessation, and Nusra itself has presence all over Syria, its one of the strongest groups inside syria.

What new offensive are you talking about? Reports of a few rockets, or gunfire hardly means the ceasefire is dead.

The cessation was never going to stop fighting, all over syria, neither was intended to do so.


new offensive or the same as last week....Russian Bombing level today is the same as Friday ....maybe your just to slow to pick this up?

then there no hope for war to stop, and there nothing that Russia and SAA can do to win, all they cam do is bomb all the city to the ground, and kill as many people as they can ..


Fuck your al nusra, al qaeda, IS terrorist scum brothers.
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Uhh i think youre talking about the north alleppo offensive, thats not the only ongoing SAA offensive.
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Iridium1010 wrote:
Uhh i think youre talking about the north alleppo offensive, thats not the only ongoing SAA offensive.


Russia bombing everywhere today, but for where ISIS is and YPG is
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adrtho wrote:
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adrtho wrote:
#Russia as usual, shamelessly lying. How can anyone seriously think of negotiating with such a band of liars.

And the Americans/West are any better?? They are all as bad as each other.


yes they are better ....this is a mistake many people make, that all bad thing happen are equal bad...they are not

USA does something bad, we find out about it...press finds out, we talk about....USA bombs one hospital, the USA will have a press conference about it.....Russia bomb 14 hospital in a week, and they tell the world press that USA did

people a lazy or dumb when they say USA (West) is the same as a dictator

USA is the solo super power, if you think the world would be the same if Russia was the solo super power ? or China ? they are not all the same

I think there a very big chance Russia will use a nuke bomb in next 4 year , (in the 100s 1 in 100 chance 1 in 200 chance range)

they are not all the same


Yes they are as bad as each other.
The Russian media plays the tune/spin/propaganda that Russia wants told, as the Western media plays the tune/spin/propaganda the Western governments want told.

Take your example of hospitals being bombed. Ok, yes western media may report such incidents, yet at the same time cover it up by hiding it behind other news - barely giving it lip service. Even if/when such incidents are covered properly the Western governments do crap all about it. Writing it off as collateral damage or poor local intel etc etc.

Turkey shoots down a Russian plane due to the Russian plane entering Turkish airspace. America comes out in support of Turkey as protecting their right to self-defend. Yet Turkey violate Greek Airspace 100s time each year and yet we never hear any noise that Turkey is doing anything wrong.

Turkey sends troops into both Iraq and Syria without the invitation/permission of either State under the pretence of right to self defend against terror threat. Again with the blessing of the West. Western and Arab nations daily carry out violations of Syrian sovereignty with their flights and bombing within Syria. Yet if Russia was to do the same under similar pretence (against terrorism threat against Russia) in one of the Baltic (NATO) States they would condemn Russia's actions as an illegal action against a sovereign country and would take actions against Russia (ie sanctions etc etc - possibly even worse = war).

Would America accept Mexico sending 100s/1000s of Mexican troops a few hundred meters/few kilometers into American territory under the pretence of "protection of Mexican interest", or would America retaliate? Yet it is perfectly fine for their ally (Turkey) to do just that in both Iraq and Syria, while at the same time criticises (& punishes) Russia for the same actions in Eastern Ukraine.


That was just a few of the latest examples we have. There are plenty more examples from both sides. So yes, both are as bad as each other.

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Saudi Arabia has accused Russia and the Syrian government of violating the ceasefire


Iran reportedly pulling 2,000+ IRGC combat forces from Syria, leaving 700 advisors on the ground.

Edited by adrtho: 29/2/2016 05:56:19 AM
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BrisbaneBhoy wrote:
adrtho wrote:
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#Russia as usual, shamelessly lying. How can anyone seriously think of negotiating with such a band of liars.

And the Americans/West are any better?? They are all as bad as each other.


yes they are better ....this is a mistake many people make, that all bad thing happen are equal bad...they are not

USA does something bad, we find out about it...press finds out, we talk about....USA bombs one hospital, the USA will have a press conference about it.....Russia bomb 14 hospital in a week, and they tell the world press that USA did

people a lazy or dumb when they say USA (West) is the same as a dictator

USA is the solo super power, if you think the world would be the same if Russia was the solo super power ? or China ? they are not all the same

I think there a very big chance Russia will use a nuke bomb in next 4 year , (in the 100s 1 in 100 chance 1 in 200 chance range)

they are not all the same


Yes they are as bad as each other.
The Russian media plays the tune/spin/propaganda that Russia wants told, as the Western media plays the tune/spin/propaganda the Western governments want told.

Take your example of hospitals being bombed. Ok, yes western media may report such incidents, yet at the same time cover it up by hiding it behind other news - barely giving it lip service. Even if/when such incidents are covered properly the Western governments do crap all about it. Writing it off as collateral damage or poor local intel etc etc.


you are now just being a idiot, you mistaking a lack of connection to a event and saying it because of some conspiracy by media ,,when Australians die in some big natural disasters it not really high up in the reporting news in a lot of countries the fact Australians talk about some kardashian big ass or who they sleeping with as news, just shows how safe Australia feels , not some conspiracy by media


Turkey shoots down a Russian plane due to the Russian plane entering Turkish airspace. America comes out in support of Turkey as protecting their right to self-defend. Yet Turkey violate Greek Airspace 100s time each year and yet we never hear any noise that Turkey is doing anything wrong.

not the same thing
Russia has been using the tactic of entry NATO airspace all year around Europe
Russia plane had arm bombs prime, not the same as carrying bombs
Russia planes were on a bombing run, when they entered Turkey
Russian plane could very easy have drop this bombs on a Turkey village, The Russia plane are not new model planes with GPS system
Russia had been warn many times by Turkey , Russia new this and push it to show Turkey who is boss
there no need for Russia to risk bombing so close to Turkey border (it Russia tactic, if you hold a gun and don't use it, then you don't hold a gun)
Geek & Turk share a very small border , there Greek violate into Turk Airspace to



Turkey sends troops into both Iraq and Syria without the invitation/permission of either State under the pretence of right to self defend against terror threat. Again with the blessing of the West. Western and Arab nations daily carry out violations of Syrian sovereignty with their flights and bombing within Syria. Yet if Russia was to do the same under similar pretence (against terrorism threat against Russia) in one of the Baltic (NATO) States they would condemn Russia's actions as an illegal action against a sovereign country and would take actions against Russia (ie sanctions etc etc - possibly even worse = war).

now you're playing what abouts, what about this what about that
there many reason for, and many reason against..West is not perfect , it doesn't get everything right all the time, and that right-wrong also move up and down (or left to Right) Turkey doesn't hold ground , it doesn't cross the border and create a state like Russia does (Transnistria, Nagorno-Karabakh, Abkhazia, South Ossetia , crimea,Donetsk, Luhansk


the Baltic states are a civil state, with in the EU...fuck Estonia will be rich little state that will end up having some highest living standards in the world over next 10 years


Would America accept Mexico sending 100s/1000s of Mexican troops a few hundred meters/few kilometers into American territory under the pretence of "protection of Mexican interest", or would America retaliate? Yet it is perfectly fine for their ally (Turkey) to do just that in both Iraq and Syria, while at the same time criticises (& punishes) Russia for the same actions in Eastern Ukraine.

what if, what about


That was just a few of the latest examples we have. There are plenty more examples from both sides. So yes, both are as bad as each other.


i don't have time to play a million what abouts, or whats if with you.....the west is not perfect , it never will and never can be ...but if you place or bad things as being the same, then you're a fool

P.s, if you think Russia and USA is same... MSF (Doctors Without Borders) stop sharing their hospital locations with Russia after many 'deliberate' attacks

Quote:
Hospitals in opposition-held parts of Syria are refusing to share GPS coordinates with Russian and Syrian authorities because of repeated attacks on medical facilities and workers, Médecins Sans Frontières and humanitarian workers on the ground have said.


not the same thing


Edited by adrtho: 29/2/2016 05:42:26 AM
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VIDEO: YPS attack on police vehicle in Nusaybin, #Turkey. 1 police officer reportedly killed, 2 injured

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TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Crusader wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
Crusader wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
adrtho wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
adrtho wrote:
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now it start to come out

Quote:
One senior administration official said the CIA has found that the Kurds directly coordinated with Russian forces recently during an attack on the headquarters of the [size=8]CIA-backed Syrian opposition [/size]in the town of Marea. The official said the U.S. intelligence is that Kurdish troops laid down tracer fire on the building just before Russian bombers destroyed it. Another U.S. official disputed this account.


http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-02-23/obama-administration-fights-itself-over-role-of-syrian-kurds


thats code for ISIS


so, why is US air force bombing own ISIS???????????


They're not. They only say they are.
Refer to my earlier response when you asked the same question.


and Royal Australian air forces ? they are not bombing ISIS, they telling Australia bullshit when they say they bomb ISIS?

Edited by adrtho: 25/2/2016 02:03:38 AM


I'm not aware of the RAF bombing anyone. I understood they were providing airdrops, ie food and supplies (allegedly for the Kurds, but more likely going to the 'rebels')


I know you pride yourself on being an idiot but can you explain how the RAAF plans to airdrop food and supplies from Super Hornets? As a former JTAC I am genuinely interested.


When did I ever claim that?
Stop trying to be a smart arse by reframing the discussion around your own parameters dipshit.


You claimed it in the exact post that I quoted.

You said that the RAAF is not bombing anyone, but that you understood they were dropping food and supplies for the Kurds but actually going to the rebels. The RAAF has deployed Super Hornets to the carry out the bombing missions that you claim are actually supply runs for the rebels. Please explain how the Super a hornet is used for that role.


Hey Unshackled, still waiting for an answer.


this is what i was referring
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-to-send-aid-planes-to-northern-iraq-after-us-request-20140809-3dfhu.html

and this

http://www.smh.com.au/world/australiansupplied-weapons-have-reached-the-kurdish-frontline-20140911-10ffla.html

I never claimed the FA18 campaign was providing airdrops so fuck off.


You were talking in the present tense about the RAAF dropping supplies to Kurds in Syria and justify it with a link from two years ago about the US asking for assistance to drop supplies to Yazidi in Iraq. So apart from who, what, when, where, why and how you were right.

Why can't you just admit that you are full of shit?
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Crusader wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Crusader wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
Crusader wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
adrtho wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
adrtho wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
adrtho wrote:
now it start to come out

Quote:
One senior administration official said the CIA has found that the Kurds directly coordinated with Russian forces recently during an attack on the headquarters of the [size=8]CIA-backed Syrian opposition [/size]in the town of Marea. The official said the U.S. intelligence is that Kurdish troops laid down tracer fire on the building just before Russian bombers destroyed it. Another U.S. official disputed this account.


http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-02-23/obama-administration-fights-itself-over-role-of-syrian-kurds


thats code for ISIS


so, why is US air force bombing own ISIS???????????


They're not. They only say they are.
Refer to my earlier response when you asked the same question.


and Royal Australian air forces ? they are not bombing ISIS, they telling Australia bullshit when they say they bomb ISIS?

Edited by adrtho: 25/2/2016 02:03:38 AM


I'm not aware of the RAF bombing anyone. I understood they were providing airdrops, ie food and supplies (allegedly for the Kurds, but more likely going to the 'rebels')


I know you pride yourself on being an idiot but can you explain how the RAAF plans to airdrop food and supplies from Super Hornets? As a former JTAC I am genuinely interested.


When did I ever claim that?
Stop trying to be a smart arse by reframing the discussion around your own parameters dipshit.


You claimed it in the exact post that I quoted.

You said that the RAAF is not bombing anyone, but that you understood they were dropping food and supplies for the Kurds but actually going to the rebels. The RAAF has deployed Super Hornets to the carry out the bombing missions that you claim are actually supply runs for the rebels. Please explain how the Super a hornet is used for that role.


Hey Unshackled, still waiting for an answer.


this is what i was referring
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-to-send-aid-planes-to-northern-iraq-after-us-request-20140809-3dfhu.html

and this

http://www.smh.com.au/world/australiansupplied-weapons-have-reached-the-kurdish-frontline-20140911-10ffla.html

I never claimed the FA18 campaign was providing airdrops so fuck off.


You were talking in the present tense about the RAAF dropping supplies to Kurds in Syria and justify it with a link from two years ago about the US asking for assistance to drop supplies to Yazidi in Iraq. So apart from who, what, when, where, why and how you were right.

Why can't you just admit that you are full of shit?


Bullshit. Dont tell me what tense I was speaking in, I made a general comment about Australia's involvement in the war 'against' IS. I dont even care about Australia in the context of the discussion. If you bothered to comprehend that you would understand, but instead you saw it as an opportunity to beat your chest about something close to your heart. I couldnt give a fuck what you do. You call other people racist and you have a username "Crusader". GTFO dickhead.

Edited by TheFactOfTheMatter: 29/2/2016 01:17:25 PM
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Just over 100 posts into the new multi and its descended back to simple name calling :lol:

Talk about cooked! :lol:

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Just over 100 posts into the new multi and its descended back to simple name calling :lol:

Talk about cooked! :lol:

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I'm astonished that a multi of a perma-banned user who has resumed posting the same abusive nonsense under a new name has been allowed to get over 100 posts. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



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adrtho wrote:
BrisbaneBhoy wrote:
adrtho wrote:
BrisbaneBhoy wrote:
adrtho wrote:
#Russia as usual, shamelessly lying. How can anyone seriously think of negotiating with such a band of liars.

And the Americans/West are any better?? They are all as bad as each other.


yes they are better ....this is a mistake many people make, that all bad thing happen are equal bad...they are not

USA does something bad, we find out about it...press finds out, we talk about....USA bombs one hospital, the USA will have a press conference about it.....Russia bomb 14 hospital in a week, and they tell the world press that USA did

people a lazy or dumb when they say USA (West) is the same as a dictator

USA is the solo super power, if you think the world would be the same if Russia was the solo super power ? or China ? they are not all the same

I think there a very big chance Russia will use a nuke bomb in next 4 year , (in the 100s 1 in 100 chance 1 in 200 chance range)

they are not all the same


Yes they are as bad as each other.
The Russian media plays the tune/spin/propaganda that Russia wants told, as the Western media plays the tune/spin/propaganda the Western governments want told.

Take your example of hospitals being bombed. Ok, yes western media may report such incidents, yet at the same time cover it up by hiding it behind other news - barely giving it lip service. Even if/when such incidents are covered properly the Western governments do crap all about it. Writing it off as collateral damage or poor local intel etc etc.


you are now just being a idiot, you mistaking a lack of connection to a event and saying it because of some conspiracy by media ,,when Australians die in some big natural disasters it not really high up in the reporting news in a lot of countries the fact Australians talk about some kardashian big ass or who they sleeping with as news, just shows how safe Australia feels , not some conspiracy by media


Turkey shoots down a Russian plane due to the Russian plane entering Turkish airspace. America comes out in support of Turkey as protecting their right to self-defend. Yet Turkey violate Greek Airspace 100s time each year and yet we never hear any noise that Turkey is doing anything wrong.

not the same thing
Russia has been using the tactic of entry NATO airspace all year around Europe
Russia plane had arm bombs prime, not the same as carrying bombs
Russia planes were on a bombing run, when they entered Turkey
Russian plane could very easy have drop this bombs on a Turkey village, The Russia plane are not new model planes with GPS system
Russia had been warn many times by Turkey , Russia new this and push it to show Turkey who is boss
there no need for Russia to risk bombing so close to Turkey border (it Russia tactic, if you hold a gun and don't use it, then you don't hold a gun)
Geek & Turk share a very small border , there Greek violate into Turk Airspace to



Turkey sends troops into both Iraq and Syria without the invitation/permission of either State under the pretence of right to self defend against terror threat. Again with the blessing of the West. Western and Arab nations daily carry out violations of Syrian sovereignty with their flights and bombing within Syria. Yet if Russia was to do the same under similar pretence (against terrorism threat against Russia) in one of the Baltic (NATO) States they would condemn Russia's actions as an illegal action against a sovereign country and would take actions against Russia (ie sanctions etc etc - possibly even worse = war).

now you're playing what abouts, what about this what about that
there many reason for, and many reason against..West is not perfect , it doesn't get everything right all the time, and that right-wrong also move up and down (or left to Right) Turkey doesn't hold ground , it doesn't cross the border and create a state like Russia does (Transnistria, Nagorno-Karabakh, Abkhazia, South Ossetia , crimea,Donetsk, Luhansk


the Baltic states are a civil state, with in the EU...fuck Estonia will be rich little state that will end up having some highest living standards in the world over next 10 years


Would America accept Mexico sending 100s/1000s of Mexican troops a few hundred meters/few kilometers into American territory under the pretence of "protection of Mexican interest", or would America retaliate? Yet it is perfectly fine for their ally (Turkey) to do just that in both Iraq and Syria, while at the same time criticises (& punishes) Russia for the same actions in Eastern Ukraine.

what if, what about


That was just a few of the latest examples we have. There are plenty more examples from both sides. So yes, both are as bad as each other.


i don't have time to play a million what abouts, or whats if with you.....the west is not perfect , it never will and never can be ...but if you place or bad things as being the same, then you're a fool

P.s, if you think Russia and USA is same... MSF (Doctors Without Borders) stop sharing their hospital locations with Russia after many 'deliberate' attacks

Quote:
Hospitals in opposition-held parts of Syria are refusing to share GPS coordinates with Russian and Syrian authorities because of repeated attacks on medical facilities and workers, Médecins Sans Frontières and humanitarian workers on the ground have said.


not the same thing

How you can not see the hypocrisy in the way the Western governments (and media) treat and accuse Russia (and the Syrian government) of certain actions, yet at the very same time those same Western governments do exactly the same (or turn a blind eye to an allies actions) as what they accuse Russians of doing.

Look, I'm not denying that Russia has done plenty wrong. The same can be said about the Syrian government. But to put the blame on Russia (and Syria) and not also put the blame on the West/accuse the West of their wrong doing is wrong and bias.

I ask you this. What have Washington/the West done right when it comes to their International policies? What do you believe Washington/the West have gone wrong?

Is there anything you can give Russia positive credit for with their International policies?


(PS) I agree with you 100% with regards to the USA are the sole superpower in the world and that will not change. Russia and/or China may wish to challenge the status quo (how little/much the challenge is yet to be seen), but nothing will change. The USA will continue to be the only world superpower.

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BrisbaneBhoy wrote:
adrtho wrote:
BrisbaneBhoy wrote:
adrtho wrote:
BrisbaneBhoy wrote:
adrtho wrote:
#Russia as usual, shamelessly lying. How can anyone seriously think of negotiating with such a band of liars.

And the Americans/West are any better?? They are all as bad as each other.


yes they are better ....this is a mistake many people make, that all bad thing happen are equal bad...they are not

USA does something bad, we find out about it...press finds out, we talk about....USA bombs one hospital, the USA will have a press conference about it.....Russia bomb 14 hospital in a week, and they tell the world press that USA did

people a lazy or dumb when they say USA (West) is the same as a dictator

USA is the solo super power, if you think the world would be the same if Russia was the solo super power ? or China ? they are not all the same

I think there a very big chance Russia will use a nuke bomb in next 4 year , (in the 100s 1 in 100 chance 1 in 200 chance range)

they are not all the same


Yes they are as bad as each other.
The Russian media plays the tune/spin/propaganda that Russia wants told, as the Western media plays the tune/spin/propaganda the Western governments want told.

Take your example of hospitals being bombed. Ok, yes western media may report such incidents, yet at the same time cover it up by hiding it behind other news - barely giving it lip service. Even if/when such incidents are covered properly the Western governments do crap all about it. Writing it off as collateral damage or poor local intel etc etc.


you are now just being a idiot, you mistaking a lack of connection to a event and saying it because of some conspiracy by media ,,when Australians die in some big natural disasters it not really high up in the reporting news in a lot of countries the fact Australians talk about some kardashian big ass or who they sleeping with as news, just shows how safe Australia feels , not some conspiracy by media


Turkey shoots down a Russian plane due to the Russian plane entering Turkish airspace. America comes out in support of Turkey as protecting their right to self-defend. Yet Turkey violate Greek Airspace 100s time each year and yet we never hear any noise that Turkey is doing anything wrong.

not the same thing
Russia has been using the tactic of entry NATO airspace all year around Europe
Russia plane had arm bombs prime, not the same as carrying bombs
Russia planes were on a bombing run, when they entered Turkey
Russian plane could very easy have drop this bombs on a Turkey village, The Russia plane are not new model planes with GPS system
Russia had been warn many times by Turkey , Russia new this and push it to show Turkey who is boss
there no need for Russia to risk bombing so close to Turkey border (it Russia tactic, if you hold a gun and don't use it, then you don't hold a gun)
Geek & Turk share a very small border , there Greek violate into Turk Airspace to



Turkey sends troops into both Iraq and Syria without the invitation/permission of either State under the pretence of right to self defend against terror threat. Again with the blessing of the West. Western and Arab nations daily carry out violations of Syrian sovereignty with their flights and bombing within Syria. Yet if Russia was to do the same under similar pretence (against terrorism threat against Russia) in one of the Baltic (NATO) States they would condemn Russia's actions as an illegal action against a sovereign country and would take actions against Russia (ie sanctions etc etc - possibly even worse = war).

now you're playing what abouts, what about this what about that
there many reason for, and many reason against..West is not perfect , it doesn't get everything right all the time, and that right-wrong also move up and down (or left to Right) Turkey doesn't hold ground , it doesn't cross the border and create a state like Russia does (Transnistria, Nagorno-Karabakh, Abkhazia, South Ossetia , crimea,Donetsk, Luhansk


the Baltic states are a civil state, with in the EU...fuck Estonia will be rich little state that will end up having some highest living standards in the world over next 10 years


Would America accept Mexico sending 100s/1000s of Mexican troops a few hundred meters/few kilometers into American territory under the pretence of "protection of Mexican interest", or would America retaliate? Yet it is perfectly fine for their ally (Turkey) to do just that in both Iraq and Syria, while at the same time criticises (& punishes) Russia for the same actions in Eastern Ukraine.

what if, what about


That was just a few of the latest examples we have. There are plenty more examples from both sides. So yes, both are as bad as each other.


i don't have time to play a million what abouts, or whats if with you.....the west is not perfect , it never will and never can be ...but if you place or bad things as being the same, then you're a fool

P.s, if you think Russia and USA is same... MSF (Doctors Without Borders) stop sharing their hospital locations with Russia after many 'deliberate' attacks

Quote:
Hospitals in opposition-held parts of Syria are refusing to share GPS coordinates with Russian and Syrian authorities because of repeated attacks on medical facilities and workers, Médecins Sans Frontières and humanitarian workers on the ground have said.


not the same thing

How you can not see the hypocrisy in the way the Western governments (and media) treat and accuse Russia (and the Syrian government) of certain actions, yet at the very same time those same Western governments do exactly the same (or turn a blind eye to an allies actions) as what they accuse Russians of doing.

Look, I'm not denying that Russia has done plenty wrong. The same can be said about the Syrian government. But to put the blame on Russia (and Syria) and not also put the blame on the West/accuse the West of their wrong doing is wrong and bias.

I ask you this. What have Washington/the West done right when it comes to their International policies? What do you believe Washington/the West have gone wrong?

Is there anything you can give Russia positive credit for with their International policies?


(PS) I agree with you 100% with regards to the USA are the sole superpower in the world and that will not change. Russia and/or China may wish to challenge the status quo (how little/much the challenge is yet to be seen), but nothing will change. The USA will continue to be the only world superpower.


again...you have gone..War, bombing= the same thing

do you know, when Russia start there bombing of city, they bomb the hospital first? do you know why Russia use this tactic?

1. Because Russian military is shit, it use old planes from 1960s
2. SAAA (Assad forces ) do not get the local support of all these city it bombing , so Assad forces can not hold this city once they take them, because the locals will not support them ...so Russia-Assad forces use this tactics to kill or make as many refugees as they can

you want to say, the Australia Airforces is the same ?

you are just being lazy, you want a easy way to see things and see the world


when was the last war Australia fought where it took 50% of are man power and we had 20,000 plus killed? this is because of Washington policies, that Australians like you, get live nice and easy

Edited by adrtho: 29/2/2016 07:47:43 PM
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adrtho wrote:
BrisbaneBhoy wrote:
adrtho wrote:
BrisbaneBhoy wrote:
adrtho wrote:
BrisbaneBhoy wrote:
adrtho wrote:
#Russia as usual, shamelessly lying. How can anyone seriously think of negotiating with such a band of liars.

And the Americans/West are any better?? They are all as bad as each other.


yes they are better ....this is a mistake many people make, that all bad thing happen are equal bad...they are not

USA does something bad, we find out about it...press finds out, we talk about....USA bombs one hospital, the USA will have a press conference about it.....Russia bomb 14 hospital in a week, and they tell the world press that USA did

people a lazy or dumb when they say USA (West) is the same as a dictator

USA is the solo super power, if you think the world would be the same if Russia was the solo super power ? or China ? they are not all the same

I think there a very big chance Russia will use a nuke bomb in next 4 year , (in the 100s 1 in 100 chance 1 in 200 chance range)

they are not all the same


Yes they are as bad as each other.
The Russian media plays the tune/spin/propaganda that Russia wants told, as the Western media plays the tune/spin/propaganda the Western governments want told.

Take your example of hospitals being bombed. Ok, yes western media may report such incidents, yet at the same time cover it up by hiding it behind other news - barely giving it lip service. Even if/when such incidents are covered properly the Western governments do crap all about it. Writing it off as collateral damage or poor local intel etc etc.


you are now just being a idiot, you mistaking a lack of connection to a event and saying it because of some conspiracy by media ,,when Australians die in some big natural disasters it not really high up in the reporting news in a lot of countries the fact Australians talk about some kardashian big ass or who they sleeping with as news, just shows how safe Australia feels , not some conspiracy by media


Turkey shoots down a Russian plane due to the Russian plane entering Turkish airspace. America comes out in support of Turkey as protecting their right to self-defend. Yet Turkey violate Greek Airspace 100s time each year and yet we never hear any noise that Turkey is doing anything wrong.

not the same thing
Russia has been using the tactic of entry NATO airspace all year around Europe
Russia plane had arm bombs prime, not the same as carrying bombs
Russia planes were on a bombing run, when they entered Turkey
Russian plane could very easy have drop this bombs on a Turkey village, The Russia plane are not new model planes with GPS system
Russia had been warn many times by Turkey , Russia new this and push it to show Turkey who is boss
there no need for Russia to risk bombing so close to Turkey border (it Russia tactic, if you hold a gun and don't use it, then you don't hold a gun)
Geek & Turk share a very small border , there Greek violate into Turk Airspace to



Turkey sends troops into both Iraq and Syria without the invitation/permission of either State under the pretence of right to self defend against terror threat. Again with the blessing of the West. Western and Arab nations daily carry out violations of Syrian sovereignty with their flights and bombing within Syria. Yet if Russia was to do the same under similar pretence (against terrorism threat against Russia) in one of the Baltic (NATO) States they would condemn Russia's actions as an illegal action against a sovereign country and would take actions against Russia (ie sanctions etc etc - possibly even worse = war).

now you're playing what abouts, what about this what about that
there many reason for, and many reason against..West is not perfect , it doesn't get everything right all the time, and that right-wrong also move up and down (or left to Right) Turkey doesn't hold ground , it doesn't cross the border and create a state like Russia does (Transnistria, Nagorno-Karabakh, Abkhazia, South Ossetia , crimea,Donetsk, Luhansk


the Baltic states are a civil state, with in the EU...fuck Estonia will be rich little state that will end up having some highest living standards in the world over next 10 years


Would America accept Mexico sending 100s/1000s of Mexican troops a few hundred meters/few kilometers into American territory under the pretence of "protection of Mexican interest", or would America retaliate? Yet it is perfectly fine for their ally (Turkey) to do just that in both Iraq and Syria, while at the same time criticises (& punishes) Russia for the same actions in Eastern Ukraine.

what if, what about


That was just a few of the latest examples we have. There are plenty more examples from both sides. So yes, both are as bad as each other.


i don't have time to play a million what abouts, or whats if with you.....the west is not perfect , it never will and never can be ...but if you place or bad things as being the same, then you're a fool

P.s, if you think Russia and USA is same... MSF (Doctors Without Borders) stop sharing their hospital locations with Russia after many 'deliberate' attacks

Quote:
Hospitals in opposition-held parts of Syria are refusing to share GPS coordinates with Russian and Syrian authorities because of repeated attacks on medical facilities and workers, Médecins Sans Frontières and humanitarian workers on the ground have said.


not the same thing

How you can not see the hypocrisy in the way the Western governments (and media) treat and accuse Russia (and the Syrian government) of certain actions, yet at the very same time those same Western governments do exactly the same (or turn a blind eye to an allies actions) as what they accuse Russians of doing.

Look, I'm not denying that Russia has done plenty wrong. The same can be said about the Syrian government. But to put the blame on Russia (and Syria) and not also put the blame on the West/accuse the West of their wrong doing is wrong and bias.

I ask you this. What have Washington/the West done right when it comes to their International policies? What do you believe Washington/the West have gone wrong?

Is there anything you can give Russia positive credit for with their International policies?


(PS) I agree with you 100% with regards to the USA are the sole superpower in the world and that will not change. Russia and/or China may wish to challenge the status quo (how little/much the challenge is yet to be seen), but nothing will change. The USA will continue to be the only world superpower.


again...you have gone..War, bombing= the same thing

do you know, when Russia start there bombing of city, they bomb the hospital first? do you know why Russia use this tactic?

1. Because Russian military is shit, it use old planes from 1960s
2. SAAA (Assad forces ) do not get the local support of all these city it bombing , so Assad forces can not hold this city once they take them, because the locals will not support them ...so Russia-Assad forces use this tactics to kill or make as many refugees as they can

you want to say, the Australia Airforces is the same ?

you are just being lazy, you want a easy way to see things and see the world


when was the last war Australia fought where it took 50% of are man power and we had 20,000 plus killed? this is because of Washington policies, that Australians like you, get live nice and easy

Edited by adrtho: 29/2/2016 07:47:43 PM


you keep talking shit, the Tupolev Tu-160 is not from the 1960's

the Americans are still using B-52's so what's your point?
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adrtho wrote:
BrisbaneBhoy wrote:
adrtho wrote:
BrisbaneBhoy wrote:
adrtho wrote:
BrisbaneBhoy wrote:
adrtho wrote:
#Russia as usual, shamelessly lying. How can anyone seriously think of negotiating with such a band of liars.

And the Americans/West are any better?? They are all as bad as each other.


yes they are better ....this is a mistake many people make, that all bad thing happen are equal bad...they are not

USA does something bad, we find out about it...press finds out, we talk about....USA bombs one hospital, the USA will have a press conference about it.....Russia bomb 14 hospital in a week, and they tell the world press that USA did

people a lazy or dumb when they say USA (West) is the same as a dictator

USA is the solo super power, if you think the world would be the same if Russia was the solo super power ? or China ? they are not all the same

I think there a very big chance Russia will use a nuke bomb in next 4 year , (in the 100s 1 in 100 chance 1 in 200 chance range)

they are not all the same


Yes they are as bad as each other.
The Russian media plays the tune/spin/propaganda that Russia wants told, as the Western media plays the tune/spin/propaganda the Western governments want told.

Take your example of hospitals being bombed. Ok, yes western media may report such incidents, yet at the same time cover it up by hiding it behind other news - barely giving it lip service. Even if/when such incidents are covered properly the Western governments do crap all about it. Writing it off as collateral damage or poor local intel etc etc.


you are now just being a idiot, you mistaking a lack of connection to a event and saying it because of some conspiracy by media ,,when Australians die in some big natural disasters it not really high up in the reporting news in a lot of countries the fact Australians talk about some kardashian big ass or who they sleeping with as news, just shows how safe Australia feels , not some conspiracy by media


Turkey shoots down a Russian plane due to the Russian plane entering Turkish airspace. America comes out in support of Turkey as protecting their right to self-defend. Yet Turkey violate Greek Airspace 100s time each year and yet we never hear any noise that Turkey is doing anything wrong.

not the same thing
Russia has been using the tactic of entry NATO airspace all year around Europe
Russia plane had arm bombs prime, not the same as carrying bombs
Russia planes were on a bombing run, when they entered Turkey
Russian plane could very easy have drop this bombs on a Turkey village, The Russia plane are not new model planes with GPS system
Russia had been warn many times by Turkey , Russia new this and push it to show Turkey who is boss
there no need for Russia to risk bombing so close to Turkey border (it Russia tactic, if you hold a gun and don't use it, then you don't hold a gun)
Geek & Turk share a very small border , there Greek violate into Turk Airspace to



Turkey sends troops into both Iraq and Syria without the invitation/permission of either State under the pretence of right to self defend against terror threat. Again with the blessing of the West. Western and Arab nations daily carry out violations of Syrian sovereignty with their flights and bombing within Syria. Yet if Russia was to do the same under similar pretence (against terrorism threat against Russia) in one of the Baltic (NATO) States they would condemn Russia's actions as an illegal action against a sovereign country and would take actions against Russia (ie sanctions etc etc - possibly even worse = war).

now you're playing what abouts, what about this what about that
there many reason for, and many reason against..West is not perfect , it doesn't get everything right all the time, and that right-wrong also move up and down (or left to Right) Turkey doesn't hold ground , it doesn't cross the border and create a state like Russia does (Transnistria, Nagorno-Karabakh, Abkhazia, South Ossetia , crimea,Donetsk, Luhansk


the Baltic states are a civil state, with in the EU...fuck Estonia will be rich little state that will end up having some highest living standards in the world over next 10 years


Would America accept Mexico sending 100s/1000s of Mexican troops a few hundred meters/few kilometers into American territory under the pretence of "protection of Mexican interest", or would America retaliate? Yet it is perfectly fine for their ally (Turkey) to do just that in both Iraq and Syria, while at the same time criticises (& punishes) Russia for the same actions in Eastern Ukraine.

what if, what about


That was just a few of the latest examples we have. There are plenty more examples from both sides. So yes, both are as bad as each other.


i don't have time to play a million what abouts, or whats if with you.....the west is not perfect , it never will and never can be ...but if you place or bad things as being the same, then you're a fool

P.s, if you think Russia and USA is same... MSF (Doctors Without Borders) stop sharing their hospital locations with Russia after many 'deliberate' attacks

Quote:
Hospitals in opposition-held parts of Syria are refusing to share GPS coordinates with Russian and Syrian authorities because of repeated attacks on medical facilities and workers, Médecins Sans Frontières and humanitarian workers on the ground have said.


not the same thing

How you can not see the hypocrisy in the way the Western governments (and media) treat and accuse Russia (and the Syrian government) of certain actions, yet at the very same time those same Western governments do exactly the same (or turn a blind eye to an allies actions) as what they accuse Russians of doing.

Look, I'm not denying that Russia has done plenty wrong. The same can be said about the Syrian government. But to put the blame on Russia (and Syria) and not also put the blame on the West/accuse the West of their wrong doing is wrong and bias.

I ask you this. What have Washington/the West done right when it comes to their International policies? What do you believe Washington/the West have gone wrong?

Is there anything you can give Russia positive credit for with their International policies?


(PS) I agree with you 100% with regards to the USA are the sole superpower in the world and that will not change. Russia and/or China may wish to challenge the status quo (how little/much the challenge is yet to be seen), but nothing will change. The USA will continue to be the only world superpower.


again...you have gone..War, bombing= the same thing

do you know, when Russia start there bombing of city, they bomb the hospital first? do you know why Russia use this tactic?

1. Because Russian military is shit, it use old planes from 1960s
2. SAAA (Assad forces ) do not get the local support of all these city it bombing , so Assad forces can not hold this city once they take them, because the locals will not support them ...so Russia-Assad forces use this tactics to kill or make as many refugees as they can

you want to say, the Australia Airforces is the same ?

you are just being lazy, you want a easy way to see things and see the world


when was the last war Australia fought where it took 50% of are man power and we had 20,000 plus killed? this is because of Washington policies, that Australians like you, get live nice and easy

Wow, you really have been totally sucked in and believe all the western propaganda.

I can see us going around in circles. So best part ways now.

🇮🇪Hail Hail🇮🇪

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BrisbaneBhoy wrote:
adrtho wrote:
BrisbaneBhoy wrote:
adrtho wrote:
BrisbaneBhoy wrote:
adrtho wrote:
BrisbaneBhoy wrote:
adrtho wrote:
#Russia as usual, shamelessly lying. How can anyone seriously think of negotiating with such a band of liars.

And the Americans/West are any better?? They are all as bad as each other.


yes they are better ....this is a mistake many people make, that all bad thing happen are equal bad...they are not

USA does something bad, we find out about it...press finds out, we talk about....USA bombs one hospital, the USA will have a press conference about it.....Russia bomb 14 hospital in a week, and they tell the world press that USA did

people a lazy or dumb when they say USA (West) is the same as a dictator

USA is the solo super power, if you think the world would be the same if Russia was the solo super power ? or China ? they are not all the same

I think there a very big chance Russia will use a nuke bomb in next 4 year , (in the 100s 1 in 100 chance 1 in 200 chance range)

they are not all the same


Yes they are as bad as each other.
The Russian media plays the tune/spin/propaganda that Russia wants told, as the Western media plays the tune/spin/propaganda the Western governments want told.

Take your example of hospitals being bombed. Ok, yes western media may report such incidents, yet at the same time cover it up by hiding it behind other news - barely giving it lip service. Even if/when such incidents are covered properly the Western governments do crap all about it. Writing it off as collateral damage or poor local intel etc etc.


you are now just being a idiot, you mistaking a lack of connection to a event and saying it because of some conspiracy by media ,,when Australians die in some big natural disasters it not really high up in the reporting news in a lot of countries the fact Australians talk about some kardashian big ass or who they sleeping with as news, just shows how safe Australia feels , not some conspiracy by media


Turkey shoots down a Russian plane due to the Russian plane entering Turkish airspace. America comes out in support of Turkey as protecting their right to self-defend. Yet Turkey violate Greek Airspace 100s time each year and yet we never hear any noise that Turkey is doing anything wrong.

not the same thing
Russia has been using the tactic of entry NATO airspace all year around Europe
Russia plane had arm bombs prime, not the same as carrying bombs
Russia planes were on a bombing run, when they entered Turkey
Russian plane could very easy have drop this bombs on a Turkey village, The Russia plane are not new model planes with GPS system
Russia had been warn many times by Turkey , Russia new this and push it to show Turkey who is boss
there no need for Russia to risk bombing so close to Turkey border (it Russia tactic, if you hold a gun and don't use it, then you don't hold a gun)
Geek & Turk share a very small border , there Greek violate into Turk Airspace to



Turkey sends troops into both Iraq and Syria without the invitation/permission of either State under the pretence of right to self defend against terror threat. Again with the blessing of the West. Western and Arab nations daily carry out violations of Syrian sovereignty with their flights and bombing within Syria. Yet if Russia was to do the same under similar pretence (against terrorism threat against Russia) in one of the Baltic (NATO) States they would condemn Russia's actions as an illegal action against a sovereign country and would take actions against Russia (ie sanctions etc etc - possibly even worse = war).

now you're playing what abouts, what about this what about that
there many reason for, and many reason against..West is not perfect , it doesn't get everything right all the time, and that right-wrong also move up and down (or left to Right) Turkey doesn't hold ground , it doesn't cross the border and create a state like Russia does (Transnistria, Nagorno-Karabakh, Abkhazia, South Ossetia , crimea,Donetsk, Luhansk


the Baltic states are a civil state, with in the EU...fuck Estonia will be rich little state that will end up having some highest living standards in the world over next 10 years


Would America accept Mexico sending 100s/1000s of Mexican troops a few hundred meters/few kilometers into American territory under the pretence of "protection of Mexican interest", or would America retaliate? Yet it is perfectly fine for their ally (Turkey) to do just that in both Iraq and Syria, while at the same time criticises (& punishes) Russia for the same actions in Eastern Ukraine.

what if, what about


That was just a few of the latest examples we have. There are plenty more examples from both sides. So yes, both are as bad as each other.


i don't have time to play a million what abouts, or whats if with you.....the west is not perfect , it never will and never can be ...but if you place or bad things as being the same, then you're a fool

P.s, if you think Russia and USA is same... MSF (Doctors Without Borders) stop sharing their hospital locations with Russia after many 'deliberate' attacks

Quote:
Hospitals in opposition-held parts of Syria are refusing to share GPS coordinates with Russian and Syrian authorities because of repeated attacks on medical facilities and workers, Médecins Sans Frontières and humanitarian workers on the ground have said.


not the same thing

How you can not see the hypocrisy in the way the Western governments (and media) treat and accuse Russia (and the Syrian government) of certain actions, yet at the very same time those same Western governments do exactly the same (or turn a blind eye to an allies actions) as what they accuse Russians of doing.

Look, I'm not denying that Russia has done plenty wrong. The same can be said about the Syrian government. But to put the blame on Russia (and Syria) and not also put the blame on the West/accuse the West of their wrong doing is wrong and bias.

I ask you this. What have Washington/the West done right when it comes to their International policies? What do you believe Washington/the West have gone wrong?

Is there anything you can give Russia positive credit for with their International policies?


(PS) I agree with you 100% with regards to the USA are the sole superpower in the world and that will not change. Russia and/or China may wish to challenge the status quo (how little/much the challenge is yet to be seen), but nothing will change. The USA will continue to be the only world superpower.


again...you have gone..War, bombing= the same thing

do you know, when Russia start there bombing of city, they bomb the hospital first? do you know why Russia use this tactic?

1. Because Russian military is shit, it use old planes from 1960s
2. SAAA (Assad forces ) do not get the local support of all these city it bombing , so Assad forces can not hold this city once they take them, because the locals will not support them ...so Russia-Assad forces use this tactics to kill or make as many refugees as they can

you want to say, the Australia Airforces is the same ?

you are just being lazy, you want a easy way to see things and see the world


when was the last war Australia fought where it took 50% of are man power and we had 20,000 plus killed? this is because of Washington policies, that Australians like you, get live nice and easy

Wow, you really have been totally sucked in and believe all the western propaganda.

I can see us going around in circles. So best part ways now.


or, I've watched the US 2nd cavalry roll into town , and said thank you God



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TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
adrtho wrote:
BrisbaneBhoy wrote:
adrtho wrote:
BrisbaneBhoy wrote:
adrtho wrote:
BrisbaneBhoy wrote:
adrtho wrote:
#Russia as usual, shamelessly lying. How can anyone seriously think of negotiating with such a band of liars.

And the Americans/West are any better?? They are all as bad as each other.


yes they are better ....this is a mistake many people make, that all bad thing happen are equal bad...they are not

USA does something bad, we find out about it...press finds out, we talk about....USA bombs one hospital, the USA will have a press conference about it.....Russia bomb 14 hospital in a week, and they tell the world press that USA did

people a lazy or dumb when they say USA (West) is the same as a dictator

USA is the solo super power, if you think the world would be the same if Russia was the solo super power ? or China ? they are not all the same

I think there a very big chance Russia will use a nuke bomb in next 4 year , (in the 100s 1 in 100 chance 1 in 200 chance range)

they are not all the same


Yes they are as bad as each other.
The Russian media plays the tune/spin/propaganda that Russia wants told, as the Western media plays the tune/spin/propaganda the Western governments want told.

Take your example of hospitals being bombed. Ok, yes western media may report such incidents, yet at the same time cover it up by hiding it behind other news - barely giving it lip service. Even if/when such incidents are covered properly the Western governments do crap all about it. Writing it off as collateral damage or poor local intel etc etc.


you are now just being a idiot, you mistaking a lack of connection to a event and saying it because of some conspiracy by media ,,when Australians die in some big natural disasters it not really high up in the reporting news in a lot of countries the fact Australians talk about some kardashian big ass or who they sleeping with as news, just shows how safe Australia feels , not some conspiracy by media


Turkey shoots down a Russian plane due to the Russian plane entering Turkish airspace. America comes out in support of Turkey as protecting their right to self-defend. Yet Turkey violate Greek Airspace 100s time each year and yet we never hear any noise that Turkey is doing anything wrong.

not the same thing
Russia has been using the tactic of entry NATO airspace all year around Europe
Russia plane had arm bombs prime, not the same as carrying bombs
Russia planes were on a bombing run, when they entered Turkey
Russian plane could very easy have drop this bombs on a Turkey village, The Russia plane are not new model planes with GPS system
Russia had been warn many times by Turkey , Russia new this and push it to show Turkey who is boss
there no need for Russia to risk bombing so close to Turkey border (it Russia tactic, if you hold a gun and don't use it, then you don't hold a gun)
Geek & Turk share a very small border , there Greek violate into Turk Airspace to



Turkey sends troops into both Iraq and Syria without the invitation/permission of either State under the pretence of right to self defend against terror threat. Again with the blessing of the West. Western and Arab nations daily carry out violations of Syrian sovereignty with their flights and bombing within Syria. Yet if Russia was to do the same under similar pretence (against terrorism threat against Russia) in one of the Baltic (NATO) States they would condemn Russia's actions as an illegal action against a sovereign country and would take actions against Russia (ie sanctions etc etc - possibly even worse = war).

now you're playing what abouts, what about this what about that
there many reason for, and many reason against..West is not perfect , it doesn't get everything right all the time, and that right-wrong also move up and down (or left to Right) Turkey doesn't hold ground , it doesn't cross the border and create a state like Russia does (Transnistria, Nagorno-Karabakh, Abkhazia, South Ossetia , crimea,Donetsk, Luhansk


the Baltic states are a civil state, with in the EU...fuck Estonia will be rich little state that will end up having some highest living standards in the world over next 10 years


Would America accept Mexico sending 100s/1000s of Mexican troops a few hundred meters/few kilometers into American territory under the pretence of "protection of Mexican interest", or would America retaliate? Yet it is perfectly fine for their ally (Turkey) to do just that in both Iraq and Syria, while at the same time criticises (& punishes) Russia for the same actions in Eastern Ukraine.

what if, what about


That was just a few of the latest examples we have. There are plenty more examples from both sides. So yes, both are as bad as each other.


i don't have time to play a million what abouts, or whats if with you.....the west is not perfect , it never will and never can be ...but if you place or bad things as being the same, then you're a fool

P.s, if you think Russia and USA is same... MSF (Doctors Without Borders) stop sharing their hospital locations with Russia after many 'deliberate' attacks

Quote:
Hospitals in opposition-held parts of Syria are refusing to share GPS coordinates with Russian and Syrian authorities because of repeated attacks on medical facilities and workers, Médecins Sans Frontières and humanitarian workers on the ground have said.


not the same thing

How you can not see the hypocrisy in the way the Western governments (and media) treat and accuse Russia (and the Syrian government) of certain actions, yet at the very same time those same Western governments do exactly the same (or turn a blind eye to an allies actions) as what they accuse Russians of doing.

Look, I'm not denying that Russia has done plenty wrong. The same can be said about the Syrian government. But to put the blame on Russia (and Syria) and not also put the blame on the West/accuse the West of their wrong doing is wrong and bias.

I ask you this. What have Washington/the West done right when it comes to their International policies? What do you believe Washington/the West have gone wrong?

Is there anything you can give Russia positive credit for with their International policies?


(PS) I agree with you 100% with regards to the USA are the sole superpower in the world and that will not change. Russia and/or China may wish to challenge the status quo (how little/much the challenge is yet to be seen), but nothing will change. The USA will continue to be the only world superpower.


again...you have gone..War, bombing= the same thing

do you know, when Russia start there bombing of city, they bomb the hospital first? do you know why Russia use this tactic?

1. Because Russian military is shit, it use old planes from 1960s
2. SAAA (Assad forces ) do not get the local support of all these city it bombing , so Assad forces can not hold this city once they take them, because the locals will not support them ...so Russia-Assad forces use this tactics to kill or make as many refugees as they can

you want to say, the Australia Airforces is the same ?

you are just being lazy, you want a easy way to see things and see the world


when was the last war Australia fought where it took 50% of are man power and we had 20,000 plus killed? this is because of Washington policies, that Australians like you, get live nice and easy

Edited by adrtho: 29/2/2016 07:47:43 PM


you keep talking shit, the Tupolev Tu-160 is not from the 1960's

the Americans are still using B-52's so what's your point?


no, they from 70s....have a look at cockpit



Edited by adrtho: 29/2/2016 08:51:57 PM
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