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adrtho wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:adrtho wrote:BrisbaneBhoy wrote:adrtho wrote:BrisbaneBhoy wrote:adrtho wrote:BrisbaneBhoy wrote:adrtho wrote:#Russia as usual, shamelessly lying. How can anyone seriously think of negotiating with such a band of liars. And the Americans/West are any better?? They are all as bad as each other. yes they are better ....this is a mistake many people make, that all bad thing happen are equal bad...they are not USA does something bad, we find out about it...press finds out, we talk about....USA bombs one hospital, the USA will have a press conference about it.....Russia bomb 14 hospital in a week, and they tell the world press that USA did people a lazy or dumb when they say USA (West) is the same as a dictator USA is the solo super power, if you think the world would be the same if Russia was the solo super power ? or China ? they are not all the same I think there a very big chance Russia will use a nuke bomb in next 4 year , (in the 100s 1 in 100 chance 1 in 200 chance range) they are not all the same Yes they are as bad as each other. The Russian media plays the tune/spin/propaganda that Russia wants told, as the Western media plays the tune/spin/propaganda the Western governments want told. Take your example of hospitals being bombed. Ok, yes western media may report such incidents, yet at the same time cover it up by hiding it behind other news - barely giving it lip service. Even if/when such incidents are covered properly the Western governments do crap all about it. Writing it off as collateral damage or poor local intel etc etc.
you are now just being a idiot, you mistaking a lack of connection to a event and saying it because of some conspiracy by media ,,when Australians die in some big natural disasters it not really high up in the reporting news in a lot of countries the fact Australians talk about some kardashian big ass or who they sleeping with as news, just shows how safe Australia feels , not some conspiracy by media Turkey shoots down a Russian plane due to the Russian plane entering Turkish airspace. America comes out in support of Turkey as protecting their right to self-defend. Yet Turkey violate Greek Airspace 100s time each year and yet we never hear any noise that Turkey is doing anything wrong.
not the same thing
Russia has been using the tactic of entry NATO airspace all year around Europe
Russia plane had arm bombs prime, not the same as carrying bombs
Russia planes were on a bombing run, when they entered Turkey
Russian plane could very easy have drop this bombs on a Turkey village, The Russia plane are not new model planes with GPS system
Russia had been warn many times by Turkey , Russia new this and push it to show Turkey who is boss
there no need for Russia to risk bombing so close to Turkey border (it Russia tactic, if you hold a gun and don't use it, then you don't hold a gun)
Geek & Turk share a very small border , there Greek violate into Turk Airspace toTurkey sends troops into both Iraq and Syria without the invitation/permission of either State under the pretence of right to self defend against terror threat. Again with the blessing of the West. Western and Arab nations daily carry out violations of Syrian sovereignty with their flights and bombing within Syria. Yet if Russia was to do the same under similar pretence (against terrorism threat against Russia) in one of the Baltic (NATO) States they would condemn Russia's actions as an illegal action against a sovereign country and would take actions against Russia (ie sanctions etc etc - possibly even worse = war).now you're playing what abouts, what about this what about that
there many reason for, and many reason against..West is not perfect , it doesn't get everything right all the time, and that right-wrong also move up and down (or left to Right) Turkey doesn't hold ground , it doesn't cross the border and create a state like Russia does (Transnistria, Nagorno-Karabakh, Abkhazia, South Ossetia , crimea,Donetsk, Luhanskthe Baltic states are a civil state, with in the EU...fuck Estonia will be rich little state that will end up having some highest living standards in the world over next 10 years Would America accept Mexico sending 100s/1000s of Mexican troops a few hundred meters/few kilometers into American territory under the pretence of "protection of Mexican interest", or would America retaliate? Yet it is perfectly fine for their ally (Turkey) to do just that in both Iraq and Syria, while at the same time criticises (& punishes) Russia for the same actions in Eastern Ukraine.
what if, what about
That was just a few of the latest examples we have. There are plenty more examples from both sides. So yes, both are as bad as each other. i don't have time to play a million what abouts, or whats if with you.....the west is not perfect , it never will and never can be ...but if you place or bad things as being the same, then you're a fool P.s, if you think Russia and USA is same... MSF (Doctors Without Borders) stop sharing their hospital locations with Russia after many 'deliberate' attacks Quote:Hospitals in opposition-held parts of Syria are refusing to share GPS coordinates with Russian and Syrian authorities because of repeated attacks on medical facilities and workers, Médecins Sans Frontières and humanitarian workers on the ground have said.
not the same thing How you can not see the hypocrisy in the way the Western governments (and media) treat and accuse Russia (and the Syrian government) of certain actions, yet at the very same time those same Western governments do exactly the same (or turn a blind eye to an allies actions) as what they accuse Russians of doing. Look, I'm not denying that Russia has done plenty wrong. The same can be said about the Syrian government. But to put the blame on Russia (and Syria) and not also put the blame on the West/accuse the West of their wrong doing is wrong and bias. I ask you this. What have Washington/the West done right when it comes to their International policies? What do you believe Washington/the West have gone wrong? Is there anything you can give Russia positive credit for with their International policies? (PS) I agree with you 100% with regards to the USA are the sole superpower in the world and that will not change. Russia and/or China may wish to challenge the status quo (how little/much the challenge is yet to be seen), but nothing will change. The USA will continue to be the only world superpower. again...you have gone..War, bombing= the same thing do you know, when Russia start there bombing of city, they bomb the hospital first? do you know why Russia use this tactic? 1. Because Russian military is shit, it use old planes from 1960s 2. SAAA (Assad forces ) do not get the local support of all these city it bombing , so Assad forces can not hold this city once they take them, because the locals will not support them ...so Russia-Assad forces use this tactics to kill or make as many refugees as they can you want to say, the Australia Airforces is the same ? you are just being lazy, you want a easy way to see things and see the world when was the last war Australia fought where it took 50% of are man power and we had 20,000 plus killed? this is because of Washington policies, that Australians like you, get live nice and easy Edited by adrtho: 29/2/2016 07:47:43 PM you keep talking shit, the Tupolev Tu-160 is not from the 1960's the Americans are still using B-52's so what's your point? no, they from 70s....have a look at cockpit  Edited by adrtho: 29/2/2016 08:51:57 PM you said they were from the 1960s. now you're saying 1970s. make up your mind shit talker. 
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TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:adrtho wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:adrtho wrote:BrisbaneBhoy wrote:adrtho wrote:BrisbaneBhoy wrote:adrtho wrote:BrisbaneBhoy wrote:adrtho wrote:#Russia as usual, shamelessly lying. How can anyone seriously think of negotiating with such a band of liars. And the Americans/West are any better?? They are all as bad as each other. yes they are better ....this is a mistake many people make, that all bad thing happen are equal bad...they are not USA does something bad, we find out about it...press finds out, we talk about....USA bombs one hospital, the USA will have a press conference about it.....Russia bomb 14 hospital in a week, and they tell the world press that USA did people a lazy or dumb when they say USA (West) is the same as a dictator USA is the solo super power, if you think the world would be the same if Russia was the solo super power ? or China ? they are not all the same I think there a very big chance Russia will use a nuke bomb in next 4 year , (in the 100s 1 in 100 chance 1 in 200 chance range) they are not all the same Yes they are as bad as each other. The Russian media plays the tune/spin/propaganda that Russia wants told, as the Western media plays the tune/spin/propaganda the Western governments want told. Take your example of hospitals being bombed. Ok, yes western media may report such incidents, yet at the same time cover it up by hiding it behind other news - barely giving it lip service. Even if/when such incidents are covered properly the Western governments do crap all about it. Writing it off as collateral damage or poor local intel etc etc.
you are now just being a idiot, you mistaking a lack of connection to a event and saying it because of some conspiracy by media ,,when Australians die in some big natural disasters it not really high up in the reporting news in a lot of countries the fact Australians talk about some kardashian big ass or who they sleeping with as news, just shows how safe Australia feels , not some conspiracy by media Turkey shoots down a Russian plane due to the Russian plane entering Turkish airspace. America comes out in support of Turkey as protecting their right to self-defend. Yet Turkey violate Greek Airspace 100s time each year and yet we never hear any noise that Turkey is doing anything wrong.
not the same thing
Russia has been using the tactic of entry NATO airspace all year around Europe
Russia plane had arm bombs prime, not the same as carrying bombs
Russia planes were on a bombing run, when they entered Turkey
Russian plane could very easy have drop this bombs on a Turkey village, The Russia plane are not new model planes with GPS system
Russia had been warn many times by Turkey , Russia new this and push it to show Turkey who is boss
there no need for Russia to risk bombing so close to Turkey border (it Russia tactic, if you hold a gun and don't use it, then you don't hold a gun)
Geek & Turk share a very small border , there Greek violate into Turk Airspace toTurkey sends troops into both Iraq and Syria without the invitation/permission of either State under the pretence of right to self defend against terror threat. Again with the blessing of the West. Western and Arab nations daily carry out violations of Syrian sovereignty with their flights and bombing within Syria. Yet if Russia was to do the same under similar pretence (against terrorism threat against Russia) in one of the Baltic (NATO) States they would condemn Russia's actions as an illegal action against a sovereign country and would take actions against Russia (ie sanctions etc etc - possibly even worse = war).now you're playing what abouts, what about this what about that
there many reason for, and many reason against..West is not perfect , it doesn't get everything right all the time, and that right-wrong also move up and down (or left to Right) Turkey doesn't hold ground , it doesn't cross the border and create a state like Russia does (Transnistria, Nagorno-Karabakh, Abkhazia, South Ossetia , crimea,Donetsk, Luhanskthe Baltic states are a civil state, with in the EU...fuck Estonia will be rich little state that will end up having some highest living standards in the world over next 10 years Would America accept Mexico sending 100s/1000s of Mexican troops a few hundred meters/few kilometers into American territory under the pretence of "protection of Mexican interest", or would America retaliate? Yet it is perfectly fine for their ally (Turkey) to do just that in both Iraq and Syria, while at the same time criticises (& punishes) Russia for the same actions in Eastern Ukraine.
what if, what about
That was just a few of the latest examples we have. There are plenty more examples from both sides. So yes, both are as bad as each other. i don't have time to play a million what abouts, or whats if with you.....the west is not perfect , it never will and never can be ...but if you place or bad things as being the same, then you're a fool P.s, if you think Russia and USA is same... MSF (Doctors Without Borders) stop sharing their hospital locations with Russia after many 'deliberate' attacks Quote:Hospitals in opposition-held parts of Syria are refusing to share GPS coordinates with Russian and Syrian authorities because of repeated attacks on medical facilities and workers, Médecins Sans Frontières and humanitarian workers on the ground have said.
not the same thing How you can not see the hypocrisy in the way the Western governments (and media) treat and accuse Russia (and the Syrian government) of certain actions, yet at the very same time those same Western governments do exactly the same (or turn a blind eye to an allies actions) as what they accuse Russians of doing. Look, I'm not denying that Russia has done plenty wrong. The same can be said about the Syrian government. But to put the blame on Russia (and Syria) and not also put the blame on the West/accuse the West of their wrong doing is wrong and bias. I ask you this. What have Washington/the West done right when it comes to their International policies? What do you believe Washington/the West have gone wrong? Is there anything you can give Russia positive credit for with their International policies? (PS) I agree with you 100% with regards to the USA are the sole superpower in the world and that will not change. Russia and/or China may wish to challenge the status quo (how little/much the challenge is yet to be seen), but nothing will change. The USA will continue to be the only world superpower. again...you have gone..War, bombing= the same thing do you know, when Russia start there bombing of city, they bomb the hospital first? do you know why Russia use this tactic? 1. Because Russian military is shit, it use old planes from 1960s 2. SAAA (Assad forces ) do not get the local support of all these city it bombing , so Assad forces can not hold this city once they take them, because the locals will not support them ...so Russia-Assad forces use this tactics to kill or make as many refugees as they can you want to say, the Australia Airforces is the same ? you are just being lazy, you want a easy way to see things and see the world when was the last war Australia fought where it took 50% of are man power and we had 20,000 plus killed? this is because of Washington policies, that Australians like you, get live nice and easy Edited by adrtho: 29/2/2016 07:47:43 PM you keep talking shit, the Tupolev Tu-160 is not from the 1960's the Americans are still using B-52's so what's your point? no, they from 70s....have a look at cockpit Edited by adrtho: 29/2/2016 08:51:57 PM you said they were from the 1960s. now you're saying 1970s. make up your mind shit talker. you have to understamd...Russia could only steal the stuff for the 1970s form USA if Russia can steal it, then Russia can't build it no point did i say Tupolev_Tu-160 was from 1960s, find where i said Tupolev_Tu-160 is from 1960s? 1970s and First flight 19 December 1981 are not that far apart
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adrtho wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:adrtho wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:adrtho wrote:BrisbaneBhoy wrote:adrtho wrote:BrisbaneBhoy wrote:adrtho wrote:BrisbaneBhoy wrote:adrtho wrote:#Russia as usual, shamelessly lying. How can anyone seriously think of negotiating with such a band of liars. And the Americans/West are any better?? They are all as bad as each other. yes they are better ....this is a mistake many people make, that all bad thing happen are equal bad...they are not USA does something bad, we find out about it...press finds out, we talk about....USA bombs one hospital, the USA will have a press conference about it.....Russia bomb 14 hospital in a week, and they tell the world press that USA did people a lazy or dumb when they say USA (West) is the same as a dictator USA is the solo super power, if you think the world would be the same if Russia was the solo super power ? or China ? they are not all the same I think there a very big chance Russia will use a nuke bomb in next 4 year , (in the 100s 1 in 100 chance 1 in 200 chance range) they are not all the same Yes they are as bad as each other. The Russian media plays the tune/spin/propaganda that Russia wants told, as the Western media plays the tune/spin/propaganda the Western governments want told. Take your example of hospitals being bombed. Ok, yes western media may report such incidents, yet at the same time cover it up by hiding it behind other news - barely giving it lip service. Even if/when such incidents are covered properly the Western governments do crap all about it. Writing it off as collateral damage or poor local intel etc etc.
you are now just being a idiot, you mistaking a lack of connection to a event and saying it because of some conspiracy by media ,,when Australians die in some big natural disasters it not really high up in the reporting news in a lot of countries the fact Australians talk about some kardashian big ass or who they sleeping with as news, just shows how safe Australia feels , not some conspiracy by media Turkey shoots down a Russian plane due to the Russian plane entering Turkish airspace. America comes out in support of Turkey as protecting their right to self-defend. Yet Turkey violate Greek Airspace 100s time each year and yet we never hear any noise that Turkey is doing anything wrong.
not the same thing
Russia has been using the tactic of entry NATO airspace all year around Europe
Russia plane had arm bombs prime, not the same as carrying bombs
Russia planes were on a bombing run, when they entered Turkey
Russian plane could very easy have drop this bombs on a Turkey village, The Russia plane are not new model planes with GPS system
Russia had been warn many times by Turkey , Russia new this and push it to show Turkey who is boss
there no need for Russia to risk bombing so close to Turkey border (it Russia tactic, if you hold a gun and don't use it, then you don't hold a gun)
Geek & Turk share a very small border , there Greek violate into Turk Airspace toTurkey sends troops into both Iraq and Syria without the invitation/permission of either State under the pretence of right to self defend against terror threat. Again with the blessing of the West. Western and Arab nations daily carry out violations of Syrian sovereignty with their flights and bombing within Syria. Yet if Russia was to do the same under similar pretence (against terrorism threat against Russia) in one of the Baltic (NATO) States they would condemn Russia's actions as an illegal action against a sovereign country and would take actions against Russia (ie sanctions etc etc - possibly even worse = war).now you're playing what abouts, what about this what about that
there many reason for, and many reason against..West is not perfect , it doesn't get everything right all the time, and that right-wrong also move up and down (or left to Right) Turkey doesn't hold ground , it doesn't cross the border and create a state like Russia does (Transnistria, Nagorno-Karabakh, Abkhazia, South Ossetia , crimea,Donetsk, Luhanskthe Baltic states are a civil state, with in the EU...fuck Estonia will be rich little state that will end up having some highest living standards in the world over next 10 years Would America accept Mexico sending 100s/1000s of Mexican troops a few hundred meters/few kilometers into American territory under the pretence of "protection of Mexican interest", or would America retaliate? Yet it is perfectly fine for their ally (Turkey) to do just that in both Iraq and Syria, while at the same time criticises (& punishes) Russia for the same actions in Eastern Ukraine.
what if, what about
That was just a few of the latest examples we have. There are plenty more examples from both sides. So yes, both are as bad as each other. i don't have time to play a million what abouts, or whats if with you.....the west is not perfect , it never will and never can be ...but if you place or bad things as being the same, then you're a fool P.s, if you think Russia and USA is same... MSF (Doctors Without Borders) stop sharing their hospital locations with Russia after many 'deliberate' attacks Quote:Hospitals in opposition-held parts of Syria are refusing to share GPS coordinates with Russian and Syrian authorities because of repeated attacks on medical facilities and workers, Médecins Sans Frontières and humanitarian workers on the ground have said.
not the same thing How you can not see the hypocrisy in the way the Western governments (and media) treat and accuse Russia (and the Syrian government) of certain actions, yet at the very same time those same Western governments do exactly the same (or turn a blind eye to an allies actions) as what they accuse Russians of doing. Look, I'm not denying that Russia has done plenty wrong. The same can be said about the Syrian government. But to put the blame on Russia (and Syria) and not also put the blame on the West/accuse the West of their wrong doing is wrong and bias. I ask you this. What have Washington/the West done right when it comes to their International policies? What do you believe Washington/the West have gone wrong? Is there anything you can give Russia positive credit for with their International policies? (PS) I agree with you 100% with regards to the USA are the sole superpower in the world and that will not change. Russia and/or China may wish to challenge the status quo (how little/much the challenge is yet to be seen), but nothing will change. The USA will continue to be the only world superpower. again...you have gone..War, bombing= the same thing do you know, when Russia start there bombing of city, they bomb the hospital first? do you know why Russia use this tactic? 1. Because Russian military is shit, it use old planes from 1960s 2. SAAA (Assad forces ) do not get the local support of all these city it bombing , so Assad forces can not hold this city once they take them, because the locals will not support them ...so Russia-Assad forces use this tactics to kill or make as many refugees as they can you want to say, the Australia Airforces is the same ? you are just being lazy, you want a easy way to see things and see the world when was the last war Australia fought where it took 50% of are man power and we had 20,000 plus killed? this is because of Washington policies, that Australians like you, get live nice and easy Edited by adrtho: 29/2/2016 07:47:43 PM you keep talking shit, the Tupolev Tu-160 is not from the 1960's the Americans are still using B-52's so what's your point? no, they from 70s....have a look at cockpit Edited by adrtho: 29/2/2016 08:51:57 PM you said they were from the 1960s. now you're saying 1970s. make up your mind shit talker. you have to understamd...Russia could only steal the stuff for the 1970s form USA if Russia can steal it, then Russia can't build it no point did i say Tupolev_Tu-160 was from 1960s, find where i said Tupolev_Tu-160 is from 1960s? 1970s and First flight 19 December 1981 are not that far apart You said Russia uses old planes from the 1960s. This is probably not a lie but its disingenuous because they use more modern aircraft too including bombers. By the same token the USA still uses B-52s from 1955. So again, what is your point?
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TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:adrtho wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:adrtho wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:adrtho wrote:BrisbaneBhoy wrote:adrtho wrote:BrisbaneBhoy wrote:adrtho wrote:BrisbaneBhoy wrote:adrtho wrote:#Russia as usual, shamelessly lying. How can anyone seriously think of negotiating with such a band of liars. And the Americans/West are any better?? They are all as bad as each other. yes they are better ....this is a mistake many people make, that all bad thing happen are equal bad...they are not USA does something bad, we find out about it...press finds out, we talk about....USA bombs one hospital, the USA will have a press conference about it.....Russia bomb 14 hospital in a week, and they tell the world press that USA did people a lazy or dumb when they say USA (West) is the same as a dictator USA is the solo super power, if you think the world would be the same if Russia was the solo super power ? or China ? they are not all the same I think there a very big chance Russia will use a nuke bomb in next 4 year , (in the 100s 1 in 100 chance 1 in 200 chance range) they are not all the same Yes they are as bad as each other. The Russian media plays the tune/spin/propaganda that Russia wants told, as the Western media plays the tune/spin/propaganda the Western governments want told. Take your example of hospitals being bombed. Ok, yes western media may report such incidents, yet at the same time cover it up by hiding it behind other news - barely giving it lip service. Even if/when such incidents are covered properly the Western governments do crap all about it. Writing it off as collateral damage or poor local intel etc etc.
you are now just being a idiot, you mistaking a lack of connection to a event and saying it because of some conspiracy by media ,,when Australians die in some big natural disasters it not really high up in the reporting news in a lot of countries the fact Australians talk about some kardashian big ass or who they sleeping with as news, just shows how safe Australia feels , not some conspiracy by media Turkey shoots down a Russian plane due to the Russian plane entering Turkish airspace. America comes out in support of Turkey as protecting their right to self-defend. Yet Turkey violate Greek Airspace 100s time each year and yet we never hear any noise that Turkey is doing anything wrong.
not the same thing
Russia has been using the tactic of entry NATO airspace all year around Europe
Russia plane had arm bombs prime, not the same as carrying bombs
Russia planes were on a bombing run, when they entered Turkey
Russian plane could very easy have drop this bombs on a Turkey village, The Russia plane are not new model planes with GPS system
Russia had been warn many times by Turkey , Russia new this and push it to show Turkey who is boss
there no need for Russia to risk bombing so close to Turkey border (it Russia tactic, if you hold a gun and don't use it, then you don't hold a gun)
Geek & Turk share a very small border , there Greek violate into Turk Airspace toTurkey sends troops into both Iraq and Syria without the invitation/permission of either State under the pretence of right to self defend against terror threat. Again with the blessing of the West. Western and Arab nations daily carry out violations of Syrian sovereignty with their flights and bombing within Syria. Yet if Russia was to do the same under similar pretence (against terrorism threat against Russia) in one of the Baltic (NATO) States they would condemn Russia's actions as an illegal action against a sovereign country and would take actions against Russia (ie sanctions etc etc - possibly even worse = war).now you're playing what abouts, what about this what about that
there many reason for, and many reason against..West is not perfect , it doesn't get everything right all the time, and that right-wrong also move up and down (or left to Right) Turkey doesn't hold ground , it doesn't cross the border and create a state like Russia does (Transnistria, Nagorno-Karabakh, Abkhazia, South Ossetia , crimea,Donetsk, Luhanskthe Baltic states are a civil state, with in the EU...fuck Estonia will be rich little state that will end up having some highest living standards in the world over next 10 years Would America accept Mexico sending 100s/1000s of Mexican troops a few hundred meters/few kilometers into American territory under the pretence of "protection of Mexican interest", or would America retaliate? Yet it is perfectly fine for their ally (Turkey) to do just that in both Iraq and Syria, while at the same time criticises (& punishes) Russia for the same actions in Eastern Ukraine.
what if, what about
That was just a few of the latest examples we have. There are plenty more examples from both sides. So yes, both are as bad as each other. i don't have time to play a million what abouts, or whats if with you.....the west is not perfect , it never will and never can be ...but if you place or bad things as being the same, then you're a fool P.s, if you think Russia and USA is same... MSF (Doctors Without Borders) stop sharing their hospital locations with Russia after many 'deliberate' attacks Quote:Hospitals in opposition-held parts of Syria are refusing to share GPS coordinates with Russian and Syrian authorities because of repeated attacks on medical facilities and workers, Médecins Sans Frontières and humanitarian workers on the ground have said.
not the same thing How you can not see the hypocrisy in the way the Western governments (and media) treat and accuse Russia (and the Syrian government) of certain actions, yet at the very same time those same Western governments do exactly the same (or turn a blind eye to an allies actions) as what they accuse Russians of doing. Look, I'm not denying that Russia has done plenty wrong. The same can be said about the Syrian government. But to put the blame on Russia (and Syria) and not also put the blame on the West/accuse the West of their wrong doing is wrong and bias. I ask you this. What have Washington/the West done right when it comes to their International policies? What do you believe Washington/the West have gone wrong? Is there anything you can give Russia positive credit for with their International policies? (PS) I agree with you 100% with regards to the USA are the sole superpower in the world and that will not change. Russia and/or China may wish to challenge the status quo (how little/much the challenge is yet to be seen), but nothing will change. The USA will continue to be the only world superpower. again...you have gone..War, bombing= the same thing do you know, when Russia start there bombing of city, they bomb the hospital first? do you know why Russia use this tactic? 1. Because Russian military is shit, it use old planes from 1960s 2. SAAA (Assad forces ) do not get the local support of all these city it bombing , so Assad forces can not hold this city once they take them, because the locals will not support them ...so Russia-Assad forces use this tactics to kill or make as many refugees as they can you want to say, the Australia Airforces is the same ? you are just being lazy, you want a easy way to see things and see the world when was the last war Australia fought where it took 50% of are man power and we had 20,000 plus killed? this is because of Washington policies, that Australians like you, get live nice and easy Edited by adrtho: 29/2/2016 07:47:43 PM you keep talking shit, the Tupolev Tu-160 is not from the 1960's the Americans are still using B-52's so what's your point? no, they from 70s....have a look at cockpit Edited by adrtho: 29/2/2016 08:51:57 PM you said they were from the 1960s. now you're saying 1970s. make up your mind shit talker. you have to understamd...Russia could only steal the stuff for the 1970s form USA if Russia can steal it, then Russia can't build it no point did i say Tupolev_Tu-160 was from 1960s, find where i said Tupolev_Tu-160 is from 1960s? 1970s and First flight 19 December 1981 are not that far apart You said Russia uses old planes from the 1960s. This is probably not a lie but its disingenuous because they use more modern aircraft too including bombers. By the same token the USA still uses B-52s from 1955. So again, what is your point?  look from the 1980s Su-24 if from 1960s, they have photos of su-24 in Syria using Tom Tom in cockpit :lol:
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adrtho wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:adrtho wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:adrtho wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:adrtho wrote:BrisbaneBhoy wrote:adrtho wrote:BrisbaneBhoy wrote:adrtho wrote:BrisbaneBhoy wrote:adrtho wrote:#Russia as usual, shamelessly lying. How can anyone seriously think of negotiating with such a band of liars. And the Americans/West are any better?? They are all as bad as each other. yes they are better ....this is a mistake many people make, that all bad thing happen are equal bad...they are not USA does something bad, we find out about it...press finds out, we talk about....USA bombs one hospital, the USA will have a press conference about it.....Russia bomb 14 hospital in a week, and they tell the world press that USA did people a lazy or dumb when they say USA (West) is the same as a dictator USA is the solo super power, if you think the world would be the same if Russia was the solo super power ? or China ? they are not all the same I think there a very big chance Russia will use a nuke bomb in next 4 year , (in the 100s 1 in 100 chance 1 in 200 chance range) they are not all the same Yes they are as bad as each other. The Russian media plays the tune/spin/propaganda that Russia wants told, as the Western media plays the tune/spin/propaganda the Western governments want told. Take your example of hospitals being bombed. Ok, yes western media may report such incidents, yet at the same time cover it up by hiding it behind other news - barely giving it lip service. Even if/when such incidents are covered properly the Western governments do crap all about it. Writing it off as collateral damage or poor local intel etc etc.
you are now just being a idiot, you mistaking a lack of connection to a event and saying it because of some conspiracy by media ,,when Australians die in some big natural disasters it not really high up in the reporting news in a lot of countries the fact Australians talk about some kardashian big ass or who they sleeping with as news, just shows how safe Australia feels , not some conspiracy by media Turkey shoots down a Russian plane due to the Russian plane entering Turkish airspace. America comes out in support of Turkey as protecting their right to self-defend. Yet Turkey violate Greek Airspace 100s time each year and yet we never hear any noise that Turkey is doing anything wrong.
not the same thing
Russia has been using the tactic of entry NATO airspace all year around Europe
Russia plane had arm bombs prime, not the same as carrying bombs
Russia planes were on a bombing run, when they entered Turkey
Russian plane could very easy have drop this bombs on a Turkey village, The Russia plane are not new model planes with GPS system
Russia had been warn many times by Turkey , Russia new this and push it to show Turkey who is boss
there no need for Russia to risk bombing so close to Turkey border (it Russia tactic, if you hold a gun and don't use it, then you don't hold a gun)
Geek & Turk share a very small border , there Greek violate into Turk Airspace toTurkey sends troops into both Iraq and Syria without the invitation/permission of either State under the pretence of right to self defend against terror threat. Again with the blessing of the West. Western and Arab nations daily carry out violations of Syrian sovereignty with their flights and bombing within Syria. Yet if Russia was to do the same under similar pretence (against terrorism threat against Russia) in one of the Baltic (NATO) States they would condemn Russia's actions as an illegal action against a sovereign country and would take actions against Russia (ie sanctions etc etc - possibly even worse = war).now you're playing what abouts, what about this what about that
there many reason for, and many reason against..West is not perfect , it doesn't get everything right all the time, and that right-wrong also move up and down (or left to Right) Turkey doesn't hold ground , it doesn't cross the border and create a state like Russia does (Transnistria, Nagorno-Karabakh, Abkhazia, South Ossetia , crimea,Donetsk, Luhanskthe Baltic states are a civil state, with in the EU...fuck Estonia will be rich little state that will end up having some highest living standards in the world over next 10 years Would America accept Mexico sending 100s/1000s of Mexican troops a few hundred meters/few kilometers into American territory under the pretence of "protection of Mexican interest", or would America retaliate? Yet it is perfectly fine for their ally (Turkey) to do just that in both Iraq and Syria, while at the same time criticises (& punishes) Russia for the same actions in Eastern Ukraine.
what if, what about
That was just a few of the latest examples we have. There are plenty more examples from both sides. So yes, both are as bad as each other. i don't have time to play a million what abouts, or whats if with you.....the west is not perfect , it never will and never can be ...but if you place or bad things as being the same, then you're a fool P.s, if you think Russia and USA is same... MSF (Doctors Without Borders) stop sharing their hospital locations with Russia after many 'deliberate' attacks Quote:Hospitals in opposition-held parts of Syria are refusing to share GPS coordinates with Russian and Syrian authorities because of repeated attacks on medical facilities and workers, Médecins Sans Frontières and humanitarian workers on the ground have said.
not the same thing How you can not see the hypocrisy in the way the Western governments (and media) treat and accuse Russia (and the Syrian government) of certain actions, yet at the very same time those same Western governments do exactly the same (or turn a blind eye to an allies actions) as what they accuse Russians of doing. Look, I'm not denying that Russia has done plenty wrong. The same can be said about the Syrian government. But to put the blame on Russia (and Syria) and not also put the blame on the West/accuse the West of their wrong doing is wrong and bias. I ask you this. What have Washington/the West done right when it comes to their International policies? What do you believe Washington/the West have gone wrong? Is there anything you can give Russia positive credit for with their International policies? (PS) I agree with you 100% with regards to the USA are the sole superpower in the world and that will not change. Russia and/or China may wish to challenge the status quo (how little/much the challenge is yet to be seen), but nothing will change. The USA will continue to be the only world superpower. again...you have gone..War, bombing= the same thing do you know, when Russia start there bombing of city, they bomb the hospital first? do you know why Russia use this tactic? 1. Because Russian military is shit, it use old planes from 1960s 2. SAAA (Assad forces ) do not get the local support of all these city it bombing , so Assad forces can not hold this city once they take them, because the locals will not support them ...so Russia-Assad forces use this tactics to kill or make as many refugees as they can you want to say, the Australia Airforces is the same ? you are just being lazy, you want a easy way to see things and see the world when was the last war Australia fought where it took 50% of are man power and we had 20,000 plus killed? this is because of Washington policies, that Australians like you, get live nice and easy Edited by adrtho: 29/2/2016 07:47:43 PM you keep talking shit, the Tupolev Tu-160 is not from the 1960's the Americans are still using B-52's so what's your point? no, they from 70s....have a look at cockpit Edited by adrtho: 29/2/2016 08:51:57 PM you said they were from the 1960s. now you're saying 1970s. make up your mind shit talker. you have to understamd...Russia could only steal the stuff for the 1970s form USA if Russia can steal it, then Russia can't build it no point did i say Tupolev_Tu-160 was from 1960s, find where i said Tupolev_Tu-160 is from 1960s? 1970s and First flight 19 December 1981 are not that far apart You said Russia uses old planes from the 1960s. This is probably not a lie but its disingenuous because they use more modern aircraft too including bombers. By the same token the USA still uses B-52s from 1955. So again, what is your point? look from the 1980s Su-24 if from 1960s, they have photos of su-24 in Syria using Tom Tom in cockpit :lol: I wonder how the USA with all its technology could still manage to bomb a doctors without borders hospital in Afghanistan. You know anything about that shit talker?
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TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:Crusader wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:Crusader wrote:Crusader wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:Crusader wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:adrtho wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:adrtho wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:adrtho wrote:now it start to come out Quote:One senior administration official said the CIA has found that the Kurds directly coordinated with Russian forces recently during an attack on the headquarters of the [size=8]CIA-backed Syrian opposition [/size]in the town of Marea. The official said the U.S. intelligence is that Kurdish troops laid down tracer fire on the building just before Russian bombers destroyed it. Another U.S. official disputed this account. http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-02-23/obama-administration-fights-itself-over-role-of-syrian-kurds thats code for ISIS so, why is US air force bombing own ISIS??????????? They're not. They only say they are. Refer to my earlier response when you asked the same question. and Royal Australian air forces ? they are not bombing ISIS, they telling Australia bullshit when they say they bomb ISIS? Edited by adrtho: 25/2/2016 02:03:38 AM I'm not aware of the RAF bombing anyone. I understood they were providing airdrops, ie food and supplies (allegedly for the Kurds, but more likely going to the 'rebels') I know you pride yourself on being an idiot but can you explain how the RAAF plans to airdrop food and supplies from Super Hornets? As a former JTAC I am genuinely interested. When did I ever claim that? Stop trying to be a smart arse by reframing the discussion around your own parameters dipshit. You claimed it in the exact post that I quoted. You said that the RAAF is not bombing anyone, but that you understood they were dropping food and supplies for the Kurds but actually going to the rebels. The RAAF has deployed Super Hornets to the carry out the bombing missions that you claim are actually supply runs for the rebels. Please explain how the Super a hornet is used for that role. Hey Unshackled, still waiting for an answer. this is what i was referring http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-to-send-aid-planes-to-northern-iraq-after-us-request-20140809-3dfhu.htmland this http://www.smh.com.au/world/australiansupplied-weapons-have-reached-the-kurdish-frontline-20140911-10ffla.htmlI never claimed the FA18 campaign was providing airdrops so fuck off. You were talking in the present tense about the RAAF dropping supplies to Kurds in Syria and justify it with a link from two years ago about the US asking for assistance to drop supplies to Yazidi in Iraq. So apart from who, what, when, where, why and how you were right. Why can't you just admit that you are full of shit? Bullshit. Dont tell me what tense I was speaking in, I made a general comment about Australia's involvement in the war 'against' IS. I dont even care about Australia in the context of the discussion. If you bothered to comprehend that you would understand, but instead you saw it as an opportunity to beat your chest about something close to your heart. I couldnt give a fuck what you do. You call other people racist and you have a username "Crusader". GTFO dickhead. Edited by TheFactOfTheMatter: 29/2/2016 01:17:25 PM How can you talk about the Royal AUSTRALIAN Air Force in a context that doesn't mean Australian? Just admit that you are wrong and that you erred by thinking a few minutes in Twitter made you think otherwise. Who is the word Crusader racist against?
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Crusader wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:Crusader wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:Crusader wrote:Crusader wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:Crusader wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:adrtho wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:adrtho wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:adrtho wrote:now it start to come out Quote:One senior administration official said the CIA has found that the Kurds directly coordinated with Russian forces recently during an attack on the headquarters of the [size=8]CIA-backed Syrian opposition [/size]in the town of Marea. The official said the U.S. intelligence is that Kurdish troops laid down tracer fire on the building just before Russian bombers destroyed it. Another U.S. official disputed this account. http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-02-23/obama-administration-fights-itself-over-role-of-syrian-kurds thats code for ISIS so, why is US air force bombing own ISIS??????????? They're not. They only say they are. Refer to my earlier response when you asked the same question. and Royal Australian air forces ? they are not bombing ISIS, they telling Australia bullshit when they say they bomb ISIS? Edited by adrtho: 25/2/2016 02:03:38 AM I'm not aware of the RAF bombing anyone. I understood they were providing airdrops, ie food and supplies (allegedly for the Kurds, but more likely going to the 'rebels') I know you pride yourself on being an idiot but can you explain how the RAAF plans to airdrop food and supplies from Super Hornets? As a former JTAC I am genuinely interested. When did I ever claim that? Stop trying to be a smart arse by reframing the discussion around your own parameters dipshit. You claimed it in the exact post that I quoted. You said that the RAAF is not bombing anyone, but that you understood they were dropping food and supplies for the Kurds but actually going to the rebels. The RAAF has deployed Super Hornets to the carry out the bombing missions that you claim are actually supply runs for the rebels. Please explain how the Super a hornet is used for that role. Hey Unshackled, still waiting for an answer. this is what i was referring http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-to-send-aid-planes-to-northern-iraq-after-us-request-20140809-3dfhu.htmland this http://www.smh.com.au/world/australiansupplied-weapons-have-reached-the-kurdish-frontline-20140911-10ffla.htmlI never claimed the FA18 campaign was providing airdrops so fuck off. You were talking in the present tense about the RAAF dropping supplies to Kurds in Syria and justify it with a link from two years ago about the US asking for assistance to drop supplies to Yazidi in Iraq. So apart from who, what, when, where, why and how you were right. Why can't you just admit that you are full of shit? Bullshit. Dont tell me what tense I was speaking in, I made a general comment about Australia's involvement in the war 'against' IS. I dont even care about Australia in the context of the discussion. If you bothered to comprehend that you would understand, but instead you saw it as an opportunity to beat your chest about something close to your heart. I couldnt give a fuck what you do. You call other people racist and you have a username "Crusader". GTFO dickhead. Edited by TheFactOfTheMatter: 29/2/2016 01:17:25 PM How can you talk about the Royal AUSTRALIAN Air Force in a context that doesn't mean Australian? Just admit that you are wrong and that you erred by thinking a few minutes in Twitter made you think otherwise. Who is the word Crusader racist against? "Who is the word"? You're not even making sense. You're rattled. Log off and take a break man.
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Turkey military reportedly hit ISIL targets in Syria
Turkish military official tells Turkish artillery hit as many as 10 ISIS targets in Syria on Sun. Acc to local sources near Azaz.
Turkish army starts shelling of ISIS positions in Northern Aleppo, near Jarabulus in Syria with heavy artillery
so Turkey has starting hitting ISIS and not YPG. This could be the start of Turkey-UAE- Saudi Arabia special forces moving into Syria to fight ISIS..Turkey- Saudi Arabia can not let the war become a choice between ISIS or Assad, so by taking the fight to ISIS , they are keeping a 3rd options alive ...Turkey also keep YPG spit on it's border
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Are you paid to parrot/write disinfo on this site?
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TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:Are you paid to parrot/write disinfo on this site? Aren't you? -PB
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The aussie politicians have STFU about this war. Was all the rage when it was politically convienent for them.
for all their chest beating and dipping their toes in the water they were never going to do shit except drop weapons to islamists. They know they'd get creamed there. It's a lot easier flying a helicopter around afghanistan machine gunning kids who live in mud huts than dealing with the shit storm they and their overlords have created.
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tsf wrote:The aussie politicians have STFU about this war. Was all the rage when it was politically convienent for them.
for all their chest beating and dipping their toes in the water they were never going to do shit except drop weapons to islamists. They know they'd get creamed there. It's a lot easier flying a helicopter around afghanistan machine gunning kids who live in mud huts than dealing with the shit storm they and their overlords have created. What a load of crap. It is all Russia's fault and doings. Australia and America didn't create the mess. They are the saviours. They will fix this mess that Russia created.
So stop talking crap!!!
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BrisbaneBhoy wrote:tsf wrote:The aussie politicians have STFU about this war. Was all the rage when it was politically convienent for them.
for all their chest beating and dipping their toes in the water they were never going to do shit except drop weapons to islamists. They know they'd get creamed there. It's a lot easier flying a helicopter around afghanistan machine gunning kids who live in mud huts than dealing with the shit storm they and their overlords have created. What a load of crap. It is all Russia's fault and doings. Australia and America didn't create the mess. They are the saviours. They will fix this mess that Russia created.
So stop talking crap!!! this is a war that happen many time in the past, this a war that had to happen now, and this is a war that will happen in the future...this is just another sunni vs shia war , and like all sunni vs shia war they have many small local issues involved at the same time This war is happening now because the USA is pulling out of Middle East and because shia took control of Iraq , at the same time Assad start to crash the Arab Spring which then played into sunni vs shia war between Turkey-Saudi Arabia vs Iran Russia got involved when it saw USA was not really committed to the fighting . Russia had just lost Ukraine, it had oil at $30 and sanctions on it...Russia couldn't lose another country and wanted to save Assad. Russia also wanted to trade Syria for Ukraine and lifting off sanctions on it....Assad would have been gone by now, and maybe war would have been much less ISIS everyone hates ISIS, they are nuts But if Turkey-Saudi Arabia had a choice between Iran-shia control land or ISIS, they will pick ISIS if Russia-Assad had a choice between other Sunni Rebels that west can work with or ISIS control land, Russia will pick ISIS If USA had choice between anyone and ISIS, they will pick anyone other Trukey Turkey has no choice but to enter Syria war, there nothing good for Turkey, they can fight the war today or they can Fight the war over 50 years .Turkey can't let YPG link up along it border , and both Turkey and Saudi Arabia an't let Iran control both Iraq and Syria ...Turkey and Saudi Arabia will both enter the war and start to fight ISIS, reducing the risk of ISIS with the hope it give the Western World (USA) another choice between ISIS or Assad, and at the same time Turkey stop YPG Russia Russia can't win this war (just as USA can't), because Assad it to weak and can't control the land they take...all Russia can do is bomb the city to the ground and commit war crimes., and then hope they can make a deal with USA to let Russia into the big boy club..USA will not let Russia it to the big boy club, that club is only for USA and now China Edited by adrtho: 1/3/2016 10:56:30 PM
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tsf wrote:The aussie politicians have STFU about this war. Was all the rage when it was politically convienent for them.
for all their chest beating and dipping their toes in the water they were never going to do shit except drop weapons to islamists. They know they'd get creamed there. It's a lot easier flying a helicopter around afghanistan machine gunning kids who live in mud huts than dealing with the shit storm they and their overlords have created. Can you provide evidence of a single case of this happening? No, just making shit up.
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Crusader wrote:tsf wrote:The aussie politicians have STFU about this war. Was all the rage when it was politically convienent for them.
for all their chest beating and dipping their toes in the water they were never going to do shit except drop weapons to islamists. They know they'd get creamed there. It's a lot easier flying a helicopter around afghanistan machine gunning kids who live in mud huts than dealing with the shit storm they and their overlords have created. Can you provide evidence of a single case of this happening? No, just making shit up. of which bit?
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BrisbaneBhoy wrote:tsf wrote:The aussie politicians have STFU about this war. Was all the rage when it was politically convienent for them.
for all their chest beating and dipping their toes in the water they were never going to do shit except drop weapons to islamists. They know they'd get creamed there. It's a lot easier flying a helicopter around afghanistan machine gunning kids who live in mud huts than dealing with the shit storm they and their overlords have created. What a load of crap. It is all Russia's fault and doings. Australia and America didn't create the mess. They are the saviours. They will fix this mess that Russia created.
So stop talking crap!!! Tbf america and australia didnt create this mess, neither did Russia. Edited by iridium1010: 2/3/2016 02:16:19 PM
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TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:Crusader wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:Crusader wrote:Crusader wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:Crusader wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:adrtho wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:adrtho wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:adrtho wrote:now it start to come out Quote:One senior administration official said the CIA has found that the Kurds directly coordinated with Russian forces recently during an attack on the headquarters of the [size=8]CIA-backed Syrian opposition [/size]in the town of Marea. The official said the U.S. intelligence is that Kurdish troops laid down tracer fire on the building just before Russian bombers destroyed it. Another U.S. official disputed this account. http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-02-23/obama-administration-fights-itself-over-role-of-syrian-kurds thats code for ISIS so, why is US air force bombing own ISIS??????????? They're not. They only say they are. Refer to my earlier response when you asked the same question. and Royal Australian air forces ? they are not bombing ISIS, they telling Australia bullshit when they say they bomb ISIS? Edited by adrtho: 25/2/2016 02:03:38 AM I'm not aware of the RAF bombing anyone. I understood they were providing airdrops, ie food and supplies (allegedly for the Kurds, but more likely going to the 'rebels') I know you pride yourself on being an idiot but can you explain how the RAAF plans to airdrop food and supplies from Super Hornets? As a former JTAC I am genuinely interested. When did I ever claim that? Stop trying to be a smart arse by reframing the discussion around your own parameters dipshit. You claimed it in the exact post that I quoted. You said that the RAAF is not bombing anyone, but that you understood they were dropping food and supplies for the Kurds but actually going to the rebels. The RAAF has deployed Super Hornets to the carry out the bombing missions that you claim are actually supply runs for the rebels. Please explain how the Super a hornet is used for that role. Hey Unshackled, still waiting for an answer. this is what i was referring http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-to-send-aid-planes-to-northern-iraq-after-us-request-20140809-3dfhu.htmland this http://www.smh.com.au/world/australiansupplied-weapons-have-reached-the-kurdish-frontline-20140911-10ffla.htmlI never claimed the FA18 campaign was providing airdrops so fuck off. You were talking in the present tense about the RAAF dropping supplies to Kurds in Syria and justify it with a link from two years ago about the US asking for assistance to drop supplies to Yazidi in Iraq. So apart from who, what, when, where, why and how you were right. Why can't you just admit that you are full of shit? Bullshit. Dont tell me what tense I was speaking in, I made a general comment about Australia's involvement in the war 'against' IS. I dont even care about Australia in the context of the discussion. If you bothered to comprehend that you would understand, but instead you saw it as an opportunity to beat your chest about something close to your heart. I couldnt give a fuck what you do. You call other people racist and you have a username "Crusader". GTFO dickhead. Edited by TheFactOfTheMatter: 29/2/2016 01:17:25 PM So will you explain how the RAAF is dropping supplies to Syrian Rebels under the pretence that they are Kurds from Super Hornets? Or will you just admit that you are full of shit?
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Iridium1010 wrote:BrisbaneBhoy wrote:tsf wrote:The aussie politicians have STFU about this war. Was all the rage when it was politically convienent for them.
for all their chest beating and dipping their toes in the water they were never going to do shit except drop weapons to islamists. They know they'd get creamed there. It's a lot easier flying a helicopter around afghanistan machine gunning kids who live in mud huts than dealing with the shit storm they and their overlords have created. What a load of crap. It is all Russia's fault and doings. Australia and America didn't create the mess. They are the saviours. They will fix this mess that Russia created.
So stop talking crap!!! Tbf america and australia didnt create this mess, neither did Russia. Edited by iridium1010: 2/3/2016 02:16:19 PM Whilst I agree that neither Russia nor Australia didn't create this mess, the same cannot be said for the Americans as the current situation has roots from the 2003 invasion. Now while it is not completely the USofA's fault (as the Saudi's, Turkey and Iran all hold partial blame), they are part of the cause. As for their (American) reading and handling of the current situation, the less said the better.
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It is something of an indictment of the rest of you that Crusader is the most sensible one on this topic.
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BrisbaneBhoy wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:BrisbaneBhoy wrote:tsf wrote:The aussie politicians have STFU about this war. Was all the rage when it was politically convienent for them.
for all their chest beating and dipping their toes in the water they were never going to do shit except drop weapons to islamists. They know they'd get creamed there. It's a lot easier flying a helicopter around afghanistan machine gunning kids who live in mud huts than dealing with the shit storm they and their overlords have created. What a load of crap. It is all Russia's fault and doings. Australia and America didn't create the mess. They are the saviours. They will fix this mess that Russia created.
So stop talking crap!!! Tbf america and australia didnt create this mess, neither did Russia. Edited by iridium1010: 2/3/2016 02:16:19 PM Whilst I agree that neither Russia nor Australia didn't create this mess, the same cannot be said for the Americans as the current situation has roots from the 2003 i. Now while it is not completely the USofA's fault (as the Saudi's, Turkey and Iran all hold partial blame), they are part of the cause. As for their (American) reading and handling of the current situation, the less said the better. but that 2003 invasion was a situation from 1991 Iraq invasion of Kuwait .... you see War in Middle East, and you see Americans in Middle East and go Americans in Middle East = War in in Middle East where i see less war in Middle East when Americans is Middle East ,,, Americans in Middle East = way less war in Middle East Americans is pulling out of Middle East, and we now going to see 20 to 30 years of nothing but war in the Middle East Edited by adrtho: 4/3/2016 01:15:24 AM
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it is a re-run of iran/iraq the first gulf war.
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adrtho wrote:BrisbaneBhoy wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:BrisbaneBhoy wrote:tsf wrote:The aussie politicians have STFU about this war. Was all the rage when it was politically convienent for them.
for all their chest beating and dipping their toes in the water they were never going to do shit except drop weapons to islamists. They know they'd get creamed there. It's a lot easier flying a helicopter around afghanistan machine gunning kids who live in mud huts than dealing with the shit storm they and their overlords have created. What a load of crap. It is all Russia's fault and doings. Australia and America didn't create the mess. They are the saviours. They will fix this mess that Russia created.
So stop talking crap!!! Tbf america and australia didnt create this mess, neither did Russia. Edited by iridium1010: 2/3/2016 02:16:19 PM Whilst I agree that neither Russia nor Australia didn't create this mess, the same cannot be said for the Americans as the current situation has roots from the 2003 i. Now while it is not completely the USofA's fault (as the Saudi's, Turkey and Iran all hold partial blame), they are part of the cause. As for their (American) reading and handling of the current situation, the less said the better. but that 2003 invasion was a situation from 1991 Iraq invasion of Kuwait .... you see War in Middle East, and you see Americans in Middle East and go Americans in Middle East = War in in Middle East where i see less war in Middle East when Americans is Middle East ,,, Americans in Middle East = way less war in Middle East Americans is pulling out of Middle East, and we now going to see 20 to 30 years of nothing but war in the Middle East Edited by adrtho: 4/3/2016 01:15:24 AM "they threw the babies out of the incubators" I bet you still believe that bullshit
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You need to look at the soviet afghan invasion and the consequences of that are still being seeing today in the mid-east.
Europe is funding the war not Chelsea football club
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TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:adrtho wrote:BrisbaneBhoy wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:BrisbaneBhoy wrote:tsf wrote:The aussie politicians have STFU about this war. Was all the rage when it was politically convienent for them.
for all their chest beating and dipping their toes in the water they were never going to do shit except drop weapons to islamists. They know they'd get creamed there. It's a lot easier flying a helicopter around afghanistan machine gunning kids who live in mud huts than dealing with the shit storm they and their overlords have created. What a load of crap. It is all Russia's fault and doings. Australia and America didn't create the mess. They are the saviours. They will fix this mess that Russia created.
So stop talking crap!!! Tbf america and australia didnt create this mess, neither did Russia. Edited by iridium1010: 2/3/2016 02:16:19 PM Whilst I agree that neither Russia nor Australia didn't create this mess, the same cannot be said for the Americans as the current situation has roots from the 2003 i. Now while it is not completely the USofA's fault (as the Saudi's, Turkey and Iran all hold partial blame), they are part of the cause. As for their (American) reading and handling of the current situation, the less said the better. but that 2003 invasion was a situation from 1991 Iraq invasion of Kuwait .... you see War in Middle East, and you see Americans in Middle East and go Americans in Middle East = War in in Middle East where i see less war in Middle East when Americans is Middle East ,,, Americans in Middle East = way less war in Middle East Americans is pulling out of Middle East, and we now going to see 20 to 30 years of nothing but war in the Middle East Edited by adrtho: 4/3/2016 01:15:24 AM "they threw the babies out of the incubators" I bet you still believe that bullshit i believe you're a jew hating , american hating nut job
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adrtho wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:adrtho wrote:BrisbaneBhoy wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:BrisbaneBhoy wrote:tsf wrote:The aussie politicians have STFU about this war. Was all the rage when it was politically convienent for them.
for all their chest beating and dipping their toes in the water they were never going to do shit except drop weapons to islamists. They know they'd get creamed there. It's a lot easier flying a helicopter around afghanistan machine gunning kids who live in mud huts than dealing with the shit storm they and their overlords have created. What a load of crap. It is all Russia's fault and doings. Australia and America didn't create the mess. They are the saviours. They will fix this mess that Russia created.
So stop talking crap!!! Tbf america and australia didnt create this mess, neither did Russia. Edited by iridium1010: 2/3/2016 02:16:19 PM Whilst I agree that neither Russia nor Australia didn't create this mess, the same cannot be said for the Americans as the current situation has roots from the 2003 i. Now while it is not completely the USofA's fault (as the Saudi's, Turkey and Iran all hold partial blame), they are part of the cause. As for their (American) reading and handling of the current situation, the less said the better. but that 2003 invasion was a situation from 1991 Iraq invasion of Kuwait .... you see War in Middle East, and you see Americans in Middle East and go Americans in Middle East = War in in Middle East where i see less war in Middle East when Americans is Middle East ,,, Americans in Middle East = way less war in Middle East Americans is pulling out of Middle East, and we now going to see 20 to 30 years of nothing but war in the Middle East Edited by adrtho: 4/3/2016 01:15:24 AM "they threw the babies out of the incubators" I bet you still believe that bullshit i believe you're a jew hating , american hating nut job Got evidence racist boy?
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dirkvanadidas wrote:it is a re-run of iran/iraq the first gulf war. in alot of ways yes....and the american policy today is to stay out of it, and let then fight each other this is why people like BrisbaneBhoy, don't understand the USA doing nothing could end up seeing more people killed it another reason why Trukey- Saudi Arabia will fight this war today in Syria, and not tomorrow in Gulf states
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BrisbaneBhoy wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:BrisbaneBhoy wrote:tsf wrote:The aussie politicians have STFU about this war. Was all the rage when it was politically convienent for them.
for all their chest beating and dipping their toes in the water they were never going to do shit except drop weapons to islamists. They know they'd get creamed there. It's a lot easier flying a helicopter around afghanistan machine gunning kids who live in mud huts than dealing with the shit storm they and their overlords have created. What a load of crap. It is all Russia's fault and doings. Australia and America didn't create the mess. They are the saviours. They will fix this mess that Russia created.
So stop talking crap!!! Tbf america and australia didnt create this mess, neither did Russia. Edited by iridium1010: 2/3/2016 02:16:19 PM Whilst I agree that neither Russia nor Australia didn't create this mess, the same cannot be said for the Americans as the current situation has roots from the 2003 invasion. Now while it is not completely the USofA's fault (as the Saudi's, Turkey and Iran all hold partial blame), they are part of the cause. As for their (American) reading and handling of the current situation, the less said the better. I agree Edited by iridium1010: 4/3/2016 03:46:30 AM
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The Lebanese newspaper quotes "diplomatic source" and hints to the role of #Turkey in Col.Gen Sergun' assassination.
Col-General Igor Sergun head of #Russia GRU & Deputy Chief f d armed forces was killed in #Beirut says Al-Akhbar
US House demands UN war crime tribunal against Assad regime
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It's a shame we don't have any troops on the ground there calling in air strikes on kiddies. A political career awaits for those who do... Quote:“The example reported today of an accidental shooting of two young Afghan civilians from a US Apache helicopter is a very, very sad and tragic consequence of war … I was on the ground during this engagement and soldiers under my command were in communication with the US helicopter that engaged.” http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/sep/01/andrew-hastie-says-he-was-cleared-over-accidental-deaths-of-two-afghan-boysIncredible, here I was thinking an accident is dropping a plate on the ground, not invading a third world country made of dirt and then calling in an air strikes on a couple of kids while Uncle Sam and his flying machine gun roams the sky above you, before going 'oops'.
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