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Just a reminder that this happens when you have something to play for in the second tier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TnKvlQ2h7s&ab_channel=Super6And one of these teams won the premier league 3 years later
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThis make me sooooo jealous of the Japanese football fans  A lot of people suggested using the J League’s experience as a template prior to the A League being set up but Uncle Frank did it his way. Its just so frustrating that the chance for a quick cash grab overrode a salvageable competition... The Japanese saw what they had and worked with it to develop something better. We got lumped with crisis profiteering and revenge ... Oh well lets hope JJs new new dawn and eleven principles bear some fruit..... The Lowy's had a 50 year association with football in this country. Of these FIFTY YEARS, Frank was Chairmain of the FFA for 10 years, and his son for another 3 or so years. Under their watch, the A-League received $666 million dollars worth in broadcast deals, and hundreds of millions more in sponsorships and ticket sales. The salvageable competition? Here's a nice summary of how things stood: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/nsl-to-return-to-tv-screens-as-clubs-finally-agree-on-new-deal-20021015-gdfq4s.html Yeah thats great Enzo Im sure the APL and the Lowys before them have profited handsomely on their investment.. Sorry i missed the part in the Japanese Football's review of the last 30 years where they speak about revenue, ticket sales and sponsorship? All I read from their statement is pride in having Japanese national footballers playing in good overseas leagues, a national team that is respected on the world stage and a thriving football pyramid providing aspirational and inspirational football to all clubs and communities in the country. J - league started, 30 years ago with existing basket case clubs, mainly owned by conglomerates or local prefectures and have, in 30 years, developed a football system that has helped them develop into, what I would regard, a serious football nation. Despite football NOT being the most popular sport, despite Japanese players NOT being considered as physically gifted as those from Sth America and Europe and despite not having vast amounts of revenue OR huge storied clubs... We are talking about two different outcomes and I suspect we always will be. Some want MLS lite, others see J-League and sigh and wonder "what if"? Its not great mate, its absolutely astonishing that under the Lowys management the professional game brought in circa $1 billion dollars over 15 years from being utterly broke. J-league clubs are sponsored by some of the biggest global brands, so much money flows in that until recently their best players never felt the need to go overseas. The J-league has a revenue of $1.3 billion AUD. Yeah money at the top is great ..... for the people at the top I suppose..... A billion dollars over 15 years as you say could have ALSO been brought in by developing and selling a reality cooking show or a getting desperate social influencers alone n a jungle to mate and eat worms..... Meanwhile https://www.footballtransfers.com/en/values/players/most-valuable-players/japanWhile we still cling to Spider Kalac selling for 1.7 mill 20 years ago :(
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Reverse angle that I saw for the first time the other day has a silly bit of Trivia https://twitter.com/TheRealALM/status/1656850770489393154?s=20Check out Leicester #37 at the end, on his knees, head in his hands , arse pointing heavenwards and all the pitch runners flying past ignoring the photo opp. Hello Boys ! its on loan Harry Kane.....
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThis make me sooooo jealous of the Japanese football fans A lot of people suggested using the J League’s experience as a template prior to the A League being set up but Uncle Frank did it his way. Its just so frustrating that the chance for a quick cash grab overrode a salvageable competition... The Japanese saw what they had and worked with it to develop something better. We got lumped with crisis profiteering and revenge ... Oh well lets hope JJs new new dawn and eleven principles bear some fruit..... The Lowy's had a 50 year association with football in this country. Of these FIFTY YEARS, Frank was Chairmain of the FFA for 10 years, and his son for another 3 or so years. Under their watch, the A-League received $666 million dollars worth in broadcast deals, and hundreds of millions more in sponsorships and ticket sales. The salvageable competition? Here's a nice summary of how things stood: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/nsl-to-return-to-tv-screens-as-clubs-finally-agree-on-new-deal-20021015-gdfq4s.html Yeah thats great Enzo Im sure the APL and the Lowys before them have profited handsomely on their investment.. Sorry i missed the part in the Japanese Football's review of the last 30 years where they speak about revenue, ticket sales and sponsorship? All I read from their statement is pride in having Japanese national footballers playing in good overseas leagues, a national team that is respected on the world stage and a thriving football pyramid providing aspirational and inspirational football to all clubs and communities in the country. J - league started, 30 years ago with existing basket case clubs, mainly owned by conglomerates or local prefectures and have, in 30 years, developed a football system that has helped them develop into, what I would regard, a serious football nation. Despite football NOT being the most popular sport, despite Japanese players NOT being considered as physically gifted as those from Sth America and Europe and despite not having vast amounts of revenue OR huge storied clubs... We are talking about two different outcomes and I suspect we always will be. Some want MLS lite, others see J-League and sigh and wonder "what if"? Its not great mate, its absolutely astonishing that under the Lowys management the professional game brought in circa $1 billion dollars over 15 years from being utterly broke. J-league clubs are sponsored by some of the biggest global brands, so much money flows in that until recently their best players never felt the need to go overseas. The J-league has a revenue of $1.3 billion AUD. and look where we are after the messiah's round up of a billion$'s over 15yrs, like looking at the approah of a cyclone on the weather radar till after it disapates to calm and wondering wtf.
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+xReverse angle that I saw for the first time the other day has a silly bit of Trivia https://twitter.com/TheRealALM/status/1656850770489393154?s=20Check out Leicester #37 at the end, on his knees, head in his hands , arse pointing heavenwards and all the pitch runners flying past ignoring the photo opp. Hello Boys ! its on loan Harry Kane..... Ok that's pretty good 😅
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis make me sooooo jealous of the Japanese football fans A lot of people suggested using the J League’s experience as a template prior to the A League being set up but Uncle Frank did it his way. Its just so frustrating that the chance for a quick cash grab overrode a salvageable competition... The Japanese saw what they had and worked with it to develop something better. We got lumped with crisis profiteering and revenge ... Oh well lets hope JJs new new dawn and eleven principles bear some fruit..... The Lowy's had a 50 year association with football in this country. Of these FIFTY YEARS, Frank was Chairmain of the FFA for 10 years, and his son for another 3 or so years. Under their watch, the A-League received $666 million dollars worth in broadcast deals, and hundreds of millions more in sponsorships and ticket sales. The salvageable competition? Here's a nice summary of how things stood: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/nsl-to-return-to-tv-screens-as-clubs-finally-agree-on-new-deal-20021015-gdfq4s.html Yeah thats great Enzo Im sure the APL and the Lowys before them have profited handsomely on their investment.. Sorry i missed the part in the Japanese Football's review of the last 30 years where they speak about revenue, ticket sales and sponsorship? All I read from their statement is pride in having Japanese national footballers playing in good overseas leagues, a national team that is respected on the world stage and a thriving football pyramid providing aspirational and inspirational football to all clubs and communities in the country. J - league started, 30 years ago with existing basket case clubs, mainly owned by conglomerates or local prefectures and have, in 30 years, developed a football system that has helped them develop into, what I would regard, a serious football nation. Despite football NOT being the most popular sport, despite Japanese players NOT being considered as physically gifted as those from Sth America and Europe and despite not having vast amounts of revenue OR huge storied clubs... We are talking about two different outcomes and I suspect we always will be. Some want MLS lite, others see J-League and sigh and wonder "what if"? Its not great mate, its absolutely astonishing that under the Lowys management the professional game brought in circa $1 billion dollars over 15 years from being utterly broke. J-league clubs are sponsored by some of the biggest global brands, so much money flows in that until recently their best players never felt the need to go overseas. The J-league has a revenue of $1.3 billion AUD. and look where we are after the messiah's round up of a billion$'s over 15yrs, like looking at the approah of a cyclone on the weather radar till after it disapates to calm and wondering wtf. The Lowys quit 5 years ago mate. WTF indeed.
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Yes mate that true, the $$$’s we’re sliding down 5yrs before they left we should note, then it’s next storm not doing much better. WTF I agree with you.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis make me sooooo jealous of the Japanese football fans A lot of people suggested using the J League’s experience as a template prior to the A League being set up but Uncle Frank did it his way. Its just so frustrating that the chance for a quick cash grab overrode a salvageable competition... The Japanese saw what they had and worked with it to develop something better. We got lumped with crisis profiteering and revenge ... Oh well lets hope JJs new new dawn and eleven principles bear some fruit..... The Lowy's had a 50 year association with football in this country. Of these FIFTY YEARS, Frank was Chairmain of the FFA for 10 years, and his son for another 3 or so years. Under their watch, the A-League received $666 million dollars worth in broadcast deals, and hundreds of millions more in sponsorships and ticket sales. The salvageable competition? Here's a nice summary of how things stood: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/nsl-to-return-to-tv-screens-as-clubs-finally-agree-on-new-deal-20021015-gdfq4s.html Yeah thats great Enzo Im sure the APL and the Lowys before them have profited handsomely on their investment.. Sorry i missed the part in the Japanese Football's review of the last 30 years where they speak about revenue, ticket sales and sponsorship? All I read from their statement is pride in having Japanese national footballers playing in good overseas leagues, a national team that is respected on the world stage and a thriving football pyramid providing aspirational and inspirational football to all clubs and communities in the country. J - league started, 30 years ago with existing basket case clubs, mainly owned by conglomerates or local prefectures and have, in 30 years, developed a football system that has helped them develop into, what I would regard, a serious football nation. Despite football NOT being the most popular sport, despite Japanese players NOT being considered as physically gifted as those from Sth America and Europe and despite not having vast amounts of revenue OR huge storied clubs... We are talking about two different outcomes and I suspect we always will be. Some want MLS lite, others see J-League and sigh and wonder "what if"? Its not great mate, its absolutely astonishing that under the Lowys management the professional game brought in circa $1 billion dollars over 15 years from being utterly broke. J-league clubs are sponsored by some of the biggest global brands, so much money flows in that until recently their best players never felt the need to go overseas. The J-league has a revenue of $1.3 billion AUD. and look where we are after the messiah's round up of a billion$'s over 15yrs, like looking at the approah of a cyclone on the weather radar till after it disapates to calm and wondering wtf. The Lowys quit 5 years ago mate. WTF indeed. It's funny how the bitters just can't let go. They blame the Lowy's from climate change to locaust plagues. 5 years on and the same old, same old, repeat and rinse.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis make me sooooo jealous of the Japanese football fans A lot of people suggested using the J League’s experience as a template prior to the A League being set up but Uncle Frank did it his way. Its just so frustrating that the chance for a quick cash grab overrode a salvageable competition... The Japanese saw what they had and worked with it to develop something better. We got lumped with crisis profiteering and revenge ... Oh well lets hope JJs new new dawn and eleven principles bear some fruit..... The Lowy's had a 50 year association with football in this country. Of these FIFTY YEARS, Frank was Chairmain of the FFA for 10 years, and his son for another 3 or so years. Under their watch, the A-League received $666 million dollars worth in broadcast deals, and hundreds of millions more in sponsorships and ticket sales. The salvageable competition? Here's a nice summary of how things stood: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/nsl-to-return-to-tv-screens-as-clubs-finally-agree-on-new-deal-20021015-gdfq4s.html Yeah thats great Enzo Im sure the APL and the Lowys before them have profited handsomely on their investment.. Sorry i missed the part in the Japanese Football's review of the last 30 years where they speak about revenue, ticket sales and sponsorship? All I read from their statement is pride in having Japanese national footballers playing in good overseas leagues, a national team that is respected on the world stage and a thriving football pyramid providing aspirational and inspirational football to all clubs and communities in the country. J - league started, 30 years ago with existing basket case clubs, mainly owned by conglomerates or local prefectures and have, in 30 years, developed a football system that has helped them develop into, what I would regard, a serious football nation. Despite football NOT being the most popular sport, despite Japanese players NOT being considered as physically gifted as those from Sth America and Europe and despite not having vast amounts of revenue OR huge storied clubs... We are talking about two different outcomes and I suspect we always will be. Some want MLS lite, others see J-League and sigh and wonder "what if"? Its not great mate, its absolutely astonishing that under the Lowys management the professional game brought in circa $1 billion dollars over 15 years from being utterly broke. J-league clubs are sponsored by some of the biggest global brands, so much money flows in that until recently their best players never felt the need to go overseas. The J-league has a revenue of $1.3 billion AUD. and look where we are after the messiah's round up of a billion$'s over 15yrs, like looking at the approah of a cyclone on the weather radar till after it disapates to calm and wondering wtf. The Lowys quit 5 years ago mate. WTF indeed. quit??? heheh whatever mate, the APL are no different in their mentality to the Lowy Ponzi scheme... Different head, same fishy smell :) Truth is that the ONLY obstacle to Australia having a successful football pyramid is the insistence of the *cough *cough "professional" clubs to be financially protected and rewarded for the stupidity and ignorance of "mainstream" consumers. We CAN have it tomorrow. Yes many clubs will go to the wall, yes many clubs will struggle to get 10 fans and a dog to their games, yes the financial "reward" from sponsors and broadcaster may not be there but it CAN happen... and it WILL provide benefits to our performance both locally and internationally. If nothing else, the struggles of 99% of football leagues all around the world proves the concept. Strong clubs prosper, weaker clubs are punished, ambitious clubs have a reason to be ambitious. From Milan, to London to Timbuktu and Tokyo. There are clubs that survive on the smell of an oily rag but still persist because that wonderful concept of sporting merit drives them to seek glory.... If we fail in getting this NST up and running soon I think we have done our dash as a football nation.... The age old "fight" is between making money and having a good environment for football to develop.... I 100% understand why "investors" would want the former but cant really understand why many so called football fans wouldn't want the later?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis make me sooooo jealous of the Japanese football fans A lot of people suggested using the J League’s experience as a template prior to the A League being set up but Uncle Frank did it his way. Its just so frustrating that the chance for a quick cash grab overrode a salvageable competition... The Japanese saw what they had and worked with it to develop something better. We got lumped with crisis profiteering and revenge ... Oh well lets hope JJs new new dawn and eleven principles bear some fruit..... The Lowy's had a 50 year association with football in this country. Of these FIFTY YEARS, Frank was Chairmain of the FFA for 10 years, and his son for another 3 or so years. Under their watch, the A-League received $666 million dollars worth in broadcast deals, and hundreds of millions more in sponsorships and ticket sales. The salvageable competition? Here's a nice summary of how things stood: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/nsl-to-return-to-tv-screens-as-clubs-finally-agree-on-new-deal-20021015-gdfq4s.html Yeah thats great Enzo Im sure the APL and the Lowys before them have profited handsomely on their investment.. Sorry i missed the part in the Japanese Football's review of the last 30 years where they speak about revenue, ticket sales and sponsorship? All I read from their statement is pride in having Japanese national footballers playing in good overseas leagues, a national team that is respected on the world stage and a thriving football pyramid providing aspirational and inspirational football to all clubs and communities in the country. J - league started, 30 years ago with existing basket case clubs, mainly owned by conglomerates or local prefectures and have, in 30 years, developed a football system that has helped them develop into, what I would regard, a serious football nation. Despite football NOT being the most popular sport, despite Japanese players NOT being considered as physically gifted as those from Sth America and Europe and despite not having vast amounts of revenue OR huge storied clubs... We are talking about two different outcomes and I suspect we always will be. Some want MLS lite, others see J-League and sigh and wonder "what if"? Its not great mate, its absolutely astonishing that under the Lowys management the professional game brought in circa $1 billion dollars over 15 years from being utterly broke. J-league clubs are sponsored by some of the biggest global brands, so much money flows in that until recently their best players never felt the need to go overseas. The J-league has a revenue of $1.3 billion AUD. and look where we are after the messiah's round up of a billion$'s over 15yrs, like looking at the approah of a cyclone on the weather radar till after it disapates to calm and wondering wtf. The Lowys quit 5 years ago mate. WTF indeed. quit??? heheh whatever mate, the APL are no different in their mentality to the Lowy Ponzi scheme... Different head, same fishy smell :) Truth is that the ONLY obstacle to Australia having a successful football pyramid is the insistence of the *cough *cough "professional" clubs to be financially protected and rewarded for the stupidity and ignorance of "mainstream" consumers. We CAN have it tomorrow. Yes many clubs will go to the wall, yes many clubs will struggle to get 10 fans and a dog to their games, yes the financial "reward" from sponsors and broadcaster may not be there but it CAN happen... and it WILL provide benefits to our performance both locally and internationally. If nothing else, the struggles of 99% of football leagues all around the world proves the concept. Strong clubs prosper, weaker clubs are punished, ambitious clubs have a reason to be ambitious. From Milan, to London to Timbuktu and Tokyo. There are clubs that survive on the smell of an oily rag but still persist because that wonderful concept of sporting merit drives them to seek glory.... If we fail in getting this NST up and running soon I think we have done our dash as a football nation.... The age old "fight" is between making money and having a good environment for football to develop.... I 100% understand why "investors" would want the former but cant really understand why many so called football fans wouldn't want the later? Because: 1. we've done all that and it failed miserably. 2. Peak A-league was the best we've ever had in this country by whichever way you wish to measure it. Your aim seems to be improving our performances through P and R and a pyramid. Well the the FFA in 2007 identified that our players need to be better and where that improvement needed to happen at all levesl of the game and how to do it. The National Curriculum was the result. So the FFA addressed your concerns 16 years ago. The State clubs mostly ignored it and did what they'd always done. Read that article about the NSL last days and how divided and selfish the stakeholders were. That really hasn't changed much. P and R and second tiers will give you a semi-pro sport that sits below the AFLW, basketball and netball. Don't even think about competing with AFL, NRL or the cricket. These multiple competitors don't exist in Japan and they have 5 times our population. That matters because you will lose players and fans and along with it media interest and sponsorships. Its downward spiral. We've been there and done that. I get that there are people who just have to repeat the past thinking this time it will be different. If only, this time we did...... but all you'll do is just waste another decade going backwards and at the end of it say "at least we tried", as if you did something positive. In reality you just failed to learn the lessons of the past and wasted a decade and maybe buried it for good.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis make me sooooo jealous of the Japanese football fans A lot of people suggested using the J League’s experience as a template prior to the A League being set up but Uncle Frank did it his way. Its just so frustrating that the chance for a quick cash grab overrode a salvageable competition... The Japanese saw what they had and worked with it to develop something better. We got lumped with crisis profiteering and revenge ... Oh well lets hope JJs new new dawn and eleven principles bear some fruit..... The Lowy's had a 50 year association with football in this country. Of these FIFTY YEARS, Frank was Chairmain of the FFA for 10 years, and his son for another 3 or so years. Under their watch, the A-League received $666 million dollars worth in broadcast deals, and hundreds of millions more in sponsorships and ticket sales. The salvageable competition? Here's a nice summary of how things stood: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/nsl-to-return-to-tv-screens-as-clubs-finally-agree-on-new-deal-20021015-gdfq4s.html Yeah thats great Enzo Im sure the APL and the Lowys before them have profited handsomely on their investment.. Sorry i missed the part in the Japanese Football's review of the last 30 years where they speak about revenue, ticket sales and sponsorship? All I read from their statement is pride in having Japanese national footballers playing in good overseas leagues, a national team that is respected on the world stage and a thriving football pyramid providing aspirational and inspirational football to all clubs and communities in the country. J - league started, 30 years ago with existing basket case clubs, mainly owned by conglomerates or local prefectures and have, in 30 years, developed a football system that has helped them develop into, what I would regard, a serious football nation. Despite football NOT being the most popular sport, despite Japanese players NOT being considered as physically gifted as those from Sth America and Europe and despite not having vast amounts of revenue OR huge storied clubs... We are talking about two different outcomes and I suspect we always will be. Some want MLS lite, others see J-League and sigh and wonder "what if"? Its not great mate, its absolutely astonishing that under the Lowys management the professional game brought in circa $1 billion dollars over 15 years from being utterly broke. J-league clubs are sponsored by some of the biggest global brands, so much money flows in that until recently their best players never felt the need to go overseas. The J-league has a revenue of $1.3 billion AUD. and look where we are after the messiah's round up of a billion$'s over 15yrs, like looking at the approah of a cyclone on the weather radar till after it disapates to calm and wondering wtf. The Lowys quit 5 years ago mate. WTF indeed. quit??? heheh whatever mate, the APL are no different in their mentality to the Lowy Ponzi scheme... Different head, same fishy smell :) Truth is that the ONLY obstacle to Australia having a successful football pyramid is the insistence of the *cough *cough "professional" clubs to be financially protected and rewarded for the stupidity and ignorance of "mainstream" consumers. We CAN have it tomorrow. Yes many clubs will go to the wall, yes many clubs will struggle to get 10 fans and a dog to their games, yes the financial "reward" from sponsors and broadcaster may not be there but it CAN happen... and it WILL provide benefits to our performance both locally and internationally. If nothing else, the struggles of 99% of football leagues all around the world proves the concept. Strong clubs prosper, weaker clubs are punished, ambitious clubs have a reason to be ambitious. From Milan, to London to Timbuktu and Tokyo. There are clubs that survive on the smell of an oily rag but still persist because that wonderful concept of sporting merit drives them to seek glory.... If we fail in getting this NST up and running soon I think we have done our dash as a football nation.... The age old "fight" is between making money and having a good environment for football to develop.... I 100% understand why "investors" would want the former but cant really understand why many so called football fans wouldn't want the later? Because: 1. we've done all that and it failed miserably. - We never really did though, the NSl was an abomination AND it was nearly 30 years ago.2. Peak A-league was the best we've ever had in this country by whichever way you wish to measure it. - sure but at what cost to the "rest"?Your aim seems to be improving our performances through P and R and a pyramid. Well the the FFA in 2007 identified that our players need to be better and where that improvement needed to happen at all levesl of the game and how to do it. The National Curriculum was the result. So the FFA addressed your concerns 16 years ago. The State clubs mostly ignored it and did what they'd always done. Still not convinced a NC especially a Dutch one is anything to value, however it DID force the state and NPL clubs to comply to a arbitrary set of rules which has caused the cost of participation to sky-rocket... still dont see any remarkable improvement from it either?
Read that article about the NSL last days and how divided and selfish the stakeholders were. That really hasn't changed much. Agreed the APL are just as much, if not MORE selfish towards their own aims Are you saying that Lowy was different?P and R and second tiers will give you a semi-pro sport that sits below the AFLW, basketball and netball. Don't even think about competing with AFL, NRL or the cricket. These multiple competitors don't exist in Japan and they have 5 times our population. So what? Who cares where it "sits" compared to other codes? Football is all that counts... BTW have a look at Baseball in Japan for context. Semi -Pro competitions in hundreds of other countries seem to produce a viable player pool compared to us no?That matters because you will lose players and fans and along with it media interest and sponsorships. Its downward spiral. Why so? Football fans will ALWAYS engage with football, all we have to do is give them more options to engage with than 11 Australian franchises.We've been there and done that. - No we really havent, the NSL was a bigger shitshwo than the Lowy founded Aleague granted but the APL is slowly making its mark as the biggest 'lemon' of them all. I get that there are people who just have to repeat the past thinking this time it will be different. If only, this time we did...... but all you'll do is just waste another decade going backwards and at the end of it say "at least we tried", as if you did something positive. In reality you just failed to learn the lessons of the past and wasted a decade and maybe buried it for good.
I dont think anyone wants to repeat the past mate, thats the whole point.... This us vs them shit is whats wasting time. ^^^^
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis make me sooooo jealous of the Japanese football fans A lot of people suggested using the J League’s experience as a template prior to the A League being set up but Uncle Frank did it his way. Its just so frustrating that the chance for a quick cash grab overrode a salvageable competition... The Japanese saw what they had and worked with it to develop something better. We got lumped with crisis profiteering and revenge ... Oh well lets hope JJs new new dawn and eleven principles bear some fruit..... The Lowy's had a 50 year association with football in this country. Of these FIFTY YEARS, Frank was Chairmain of the FFA for 10 years, and his son for another 3 or so years. Under their watch, the A-League received $666 million dollars worth in broadcast deals, and hundreds of millions more in sponsorships and ticket sales. The salvageable competition? Here's a nice summary of how things stood: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/nsl-to-return-to-tv-screens-as-clubs-finally-agree-on-new-deal-20021015-gdfq4s.html Yeah thats great Enzo Im sure the APL and the Lowys before them have profited handsomely on their investment.. Sorry i missed the part in the Japanese Football's review of the last 30 years where they speak about revenue, ticket sales and sponsorship? All I read from their statement is pride in having Japanese national footballers playing in good overseas leagues, a national team that is respected on the world stage and a thriving football pyramid providing aspirational and inspirational football to all clubs and communities in the country. J - league started, 30 years ago with existing basket case clubs, mainly owned by conglomerates or local prefectures and have, in 30 years, developed a football system that has helped them develop into, what I would regard, a serious football nation. Despite football NOT being the most popular sport, despite Japanese players NOT being considered as physically gifted as those from Sth America and Europe and despite not having vast amounts of revenue OR huge storied clubs... We are talking about two different outcomes and I suspect we always will be. Some want MLS lite, others see J-League and sigh and wonder "what if"? Its not great mate, its absolutely astonishing that under the Lowys management the professional game brought in circa $1 billion dollars over 15 years from being utterly broke. J-league clubs are sponsored by some of the biggest global brands, so much money flows in that until recently their best players never felt the need to go overseas. The J-league has a revenue of $1.3 billion AUD. and look where we are after the messiah's round up of a billion$'s over 15yrs, like looking at the approah of a cyclone on the weather radar till after it disapates to calm and wondering wtf. The Lowys quit 5 years ago mate. WTF indeed. quit??? heheh whatever mate, the APL are no different in their mentality to the Lowy Ponzi scheme... Different head, same fishy smell :) Truth is that the ONLY obstacle to Australia having a successful football pyramid is the insistence of the *cough *cough "professional" clubs to be financially protected and rewarded for the stupidity and ignorance of "mainstream" consumers. We CAN have it tomorrow. Yes many clubs will go to the wall, yes many clubs will struggle to get 10 fans and a dog to their games, yes the financial "reward" from sponsors and broadcaster may not be there but it CAN happen... and it WILL provide benefits to our performance both locally and internationally. If nothing else, the struggles of 99% of football leagues all around the world proves the concept. Strong clubs prosper, weaker clubs are punished, ambitious clubs have a reason to be ambitious. From Milan, to London to Timbuktu and Tokyo. There are clubs that survive on the smell of an oily rag but still persist because that wonderful concept of sporting merit drives them to seek glory.... If we fail in getting this NST up and running soon I think we have done our dash as a football nation.... The age old "fight" is between making money and having a good environment for football to develop.... I 100% understand why "investors" would want the former but cant really understand why many so called football fans wouldn't want the later? Because: 1. we've done all that and it failed miserably. - We never really did though, the NSl was an abomination AND it was nearly 30 years ago.2. Peak A-league was the best we've ever had in this country by whichever way you wish to measure it. - sure but at what cost to the "rest"?Your aim seems to be improving our performances through P and R and a pyramid. Well the the FFA in 2007 identified that our players need to be better and where that improvement needed to happen at all levesl of the game and how to do it. The National Curriculum was the result. So the FFA addressed your concerns 16 years ago. The State clubs mostly ignored it and did what they'd always done. Still not convinced a NC especially a Dutch one is anything to value, however it DID force the state and NPL clubs to comply to a arbitrary set of rules which has caused the cost of participation to sky-rocket... still dont see any remarkable improvement from it either?
Read that article about the NSL last days and how divided and selfish the stakeholders were. That really hasn't changed much. Agreed the APL are just as much, if not MORE selfish towards their own aims Are you saying that Lowy was different?P and R and second tiers will give you a semi-pro sport that sits below the AFLW, basketball and netball. Don't even think about competing with AFL, NRL or the cricket. These multiple competitors don't exist in Japan and they have 5 times our population. So what? Who cares where it "sits" compared to other codes? Football is all that counts... BTW have a look at Baseball in Japan for context. Semi -Pro competitions in hundreds of other countries seem to produce a viable player pool compared to us no?That matters because you will lose players and fans and along with it media interest and sponsorships. Its downward spiral. Why so? Football fans will ALWAYS engage with football, all we have to do is give them more options to engage with than 11 Australian franchises.We've been there and done that. - No we really havent, the NSL was a bigger shitshwo than the Lowy founded Aleague granted but the APL is slowly making its mark as the biggest 'lemon' of them all. I get that there are people who just have to repeat the past thinking this time it will be different. If only, this time we did...... but all you'll do is just waste another decade going backwards and at the end of it say "at least we tried", as if you did something positive. In reality you just failed to learn the lessons of the past and wasted a decade and maybe buried it for good.
I dont think anyone wants to repeat the past mate, thats the whole point.... This us vs them shit is whats wasting time. ^^^^ It matters where football sits in relation to other codes because there is limited pot of money to share around on sport in this country. Players want to be paid. Fans want to see better players and most want to do it in a decent stadium or quality TV coverage. To create and maintain interest you need media that promotes and discusses the game. This all costs MONEY. As for Lowy, do you really think he did for himself, rather than what *he* believed was the overall good of the game? History shows whilst he was running it, the game was in a better place than ever before, or since. Not better for everyone, but better overall. I'm not as engaged as I was, like many others. Once the game goes semi-pro that will be it for me and many others, other than for those 500-1000 diehards at each club. I don't see that as progress, but you might.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis make me sooooo jealous of the Japanese football fans A lot of people suggested using the J League’s experience as a template prior to the A League being set up but Uncle Frank did it his way. Its just so frustrating that the chance for a quick cash grab overrode a salvageable competition... The Japanese saw what they had and worked with it to develop something better. We got lumped with crisis profiteering and revenge ... Oh well lets hope JJs new new dawn and eleven principles bear some fruit..... The Lowy's had a 50 year association with football in this country. Of these FIFTY YEARS, Frank was Chairmain of the FFA for 10 years, and his son for another 3 or so years. Under their watch, the A-League received $666 million dollars worth in broadcast deals, and hundreds of millions more in sponsorships and ticket sales. The salvageable competition? Here's a nice summary of how things stood: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/nsl-to-return-to-tv-screens-as-clubs-finally-agree-on-new-deal-20021015-gdfq4s.html Yeah thats great Enzo Im sure the APL and the Lowys before them have profited handsomely on their investment.. Sorry i missed the part in the Japanese Football's review of the last 30 years where they speak about revenue, ticket sales and sponsorship? All I read from their statement is pride in having Japanese national footballers playing in good overseas leagues, a national team that is respected on the world stage and a thriving football pyramid providing aspirational and inspirational football to all clubs and communities in the country. J - league started, 30 years ago with existing basket case clubs, mainly owned by conglomerates or local prefectures and have, in 30 years, developed a football system that has helped them develop into, what I would regard, a serious football nation. Despite football NOT being the most popular sport, despite Japanese players NOT being considered as physically gifted as those from Sth America and Europe and despite not having vast amounts of revenue OR huge storied clubs... We are talking about two different outcomes and I suspect we always will be. Some want MLS lite, others see J-League and sigh and wonder "what if"? Its not great mate, its absolutely astonishing that under the Lowys management the professional game brought in circa $1 billion dollars over 15 years from being utterly broke. J-league clubs are sponsored by some of the biggest global brands, so much money flows in that until recently their best players never felt the need to go overseas. The J-league has a revenue of $1.3 billion AUD. and look where we are after the messiah's round up of a billion$'s over 15yrs, like looking at the approah of a cyclone on the weather radar till after it disapates to calm and wondering wtf. The Lowys quit 5 years ago mate. WTF indeed. quit??? heheh whatever mate, the APL are no different in their mentality to the Lowy Ponzi scheme... Different head, same fishy smell :) Truth is that the ONLY obstacle to Australia having a successful football pyramid is the insistence of the *cough *cough "professional" clubs to be financially protected and rewarded for the stupidity and ignorance of "mainstream" consumers. We CAN have it tomorrow. Yes many clubs will go to the wall, yes many clubs will struggle to get 10 fans and a dog to their games, yes the financial "reward" from sponsors and broadcaster may not be there but it CAN happen... and it WILL provide benefits to our performance both locally and internationally. If nothing else, the struggles of 99% of football leagues all around the world proves the concept. Strong clubs prosper, weaker clubs are punished, ambitious clubs have a reason to be ambitious. From Milan, to London to Timbuktu and Tokyo. There are clubs that survive on the smell of an oily rag but still persist because that wonderful concept of sporting merit drives them to seek glory.... If we fail in getting this NST up and running soon I think we have done our dash as a football nation.... The age old "fight" is between making money and having a good environment for football to develop.... I 100% understand why "investors" would want the former but cant really understand why many so called football fans wouldn't want the later? Because: 1. we've done all that and it failed miserably. - We never really did though, the NSl was an abomination AND it was nearly 30 years ago.2. Peak A-league was the best we've ever had in this country by whichever way you wish to measure it. - sure but at what cost to the "rest"?Your aim seems to be improving our performances through P and R and a pyramid. Well the the FFA in 2007 identified that our players need to be better and where that improvement needed to happen at all levesl of the game and how to do it. The National Curriculum was the result. So the FFA addressed your concerns 16 years ago. The State clubs mostly ignored it and did what they'd always done. Still not convinced a NC especially a Dutch one is anything to value, however it DID force the state and NPL clubs to comply to a arbitrary set of rules which has caused the cost of participation to sky-rocket... still dont see any remarkable improvement from it either?
Read that article about the NSL last days and how divided and selfish the stakeholders were. That really hasn't changed much. Agreed the APL are just as much, if not MORE selfish towards their own aims Are you saying that Lowy was different?P and R and second tiers will give you a semi-pro sport that sits below the AFLW, basketball and netball. Don't even think about competing with AFL, NRL or the cricket. These multiple competitors don't exist in Japan and they have 5 times our population. So what? Who cares where it "sits" compared to other codes? Football is all that counts... BTW have a look at Baseball in Japan for context. Semi -Pro competitions in hundreds of other countries seem to produce a viable player pool compared to us no?That matters because you will lose players and fans and along with it media interest and sponsorships. Its downward spiral. Why so? Football fans will ALWAYS engage with football, all we have to do is give them more options to engage with than 11 Australian franchises.We've been there and done that. - No we really havent, the NSL was a bigger shitshwo than the Lowy founded Aleague granted but the APL is slowly making its mark as the biggest 'lemon' of them all. I get that there are people who just have to repeat the past thinking this time it will be different. If only, this time we did...... but all you'll do is just waste another decade going backwards and at the end of it say "at least we tried", as if you did something positive. In reality you just failed to learn the lessons of the past and wasted a decade and maybe buried it for good.
I dont think anyone wants to repeat the past mate, thats the whole point.... This us vs them shit is whats wasting time. ^^^^ It matters where football sits in relation to other codes because there is limited pot of money to share around on sport in this country. Sure, but it seems to me that countries with GDPs in the tens of dollars seem to manage quite well?
Players want to be paid. Fans want to see better players and most want to do it in a decent stadium or quality TV coverage. To create and maintain interest you need media that promotes and discusses the game. This all costs MONEY. Media promotes and discusses the game comes from fans wanting to engage with product... money, as proved, doesnt have much to do with it.... sure if you advertise it better maybe but 20 million on a wbesite that doesnt work hasnt done much?
As for Lowy, do you really think he did for himself, rather than what *he* believed was the overall good of the game? History shows whilst he was running it, the game was in a better place than ever before, or since. Not better for everyone, but better overall. Yes. I think the political clout his "saving of the game" for his buddy furry ears brought him was a strategic move to improve his network and financial avenues... Walking away, mid season, because the "wogs didnt vote for him" in 87 or whenever it was wasnt "for the good of the game" was it? His EGO is responsible for a lot more than you think mate, soccer was always a tool for uncle Frank, not a passion. Things would have been vastly different if it were.I'm not as engaged as I was, like many others. Once the game goes semi-pro that will be it for me and many others, other than for those 500-1000 diehards at each club. I don't see that as progress, but you might. No this wont be progress, of course not.... fact is maybe the football loving public ISNT what the artificial inflated event going public during the Aleague peak years brought.. maybe we are a nation of eurosnobs, whatever.. All Im saying is that mainstream popularity and increased revenue are not as important as developing a good environment for football players to flourish.
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https://twitter.com/JoePompliano/status/1658862322524323841?cxt=HHwWgoC8lcmfu4UuAAAA"Luton is one game away from Premier League promotion, potentially going from the 5th tier of English soccer to the 1st in just 9 seasons.But their 120-year-old stadium only seats 10,356 fans & would be the smallest in PL history.Fans have to walk through houses to get in"
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Quality. While here in Australia there is many rules and regulations, we move games to suit A-League teams when it comes to Aus Cup competitions etc.
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+xQuality. While here in Australia there is many rules and regulations, we move games to suit A-League teams when it comes to Aus Cup competitions etc. WU "stadium" will be smaller still the only difference is there are NO houses to walk through to get in. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH
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+xQuality. While here in Australia there is many rules and regulations, we move games to suit A-League teams when it comes to Aus Cup competitions etc. Actually, Luton will likely need to groundshare at another ground such as the plastic dons because works to bring their ground to minimum EPL standard are estimated at 15 million pounds and not the "do it over summer" variety.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis make me sooooo jealous of the Japanese football fans A lot of people suggested using the J League’s experience as a template prior to the A League being set up but Uncle Frank did it his way. Its just so frustrating that the chance for a quick cash grab overrode a salvageable competition... The Japanese saw what they had and worked with it to develop something better. We got lumped with crisis profiteering and revenge ... Oh well lets hope JJs new new dawn and eleven principles bear some fruit..... The Lowy's had a 50 year association with football in this country. Of these FIFTY YEARS, Frank was Chairmain of the FFA for 10 years, and his son for another 3 or so years. Under their watch, the A-League received $666 million dollars worth in broadcast deals, and hundreds of millions more in sponsorships and ticket sales. The salvageable competition? Here's a nice summary of how things stood: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/nsl-to-return-to-tv-screens-as-clubs-finally-agree-on-new-deal-20021015-gdfq4s.html Yeah thats great Enzo Im sure the APL and the Lowys before them have profited handsomely on their investment.. Sorry i missed the part in the Japanese Football's review of the last 30 years where they speak about revenue, ticket sales and sponsorship? All I read from their statement is pride in having Japanese national footballers playing in good overseas leagues, a national team that is respected on the world stage and a thriving football pyramid providing aspirational and inspirational football to all clubs and communities in the country. J - league started, 30 years ago with existing basket case clubs, mainly owned by conglomerates or local prefectures and have, in 30 years, developed a football system that has helped them develop into, what I would regard, a serious football nation. Despite football NOT being the most popular sport, despite Japanese players NOT being considered as physically gifted as those from Sth America and Europe and despite not having vast amounts of revenue OR huge storied clubs... We are talking about two different outcomes and I suspect we always will be. Some want MLS lite, others see J-League and sigh and wonder "what if"? Its not great mate, its absolutely astonishing that under the Lowys management the professional game brought in circa $1 billion dollars over 15 years from being utterly broke. J-league clubs are sponsored by some of the biggest global brands, so much money flows in that until recently their best players never felt the need to go overseas. The J-league has a revenue of $1.3 billion AUD. and look where we are after the messiah's round up of a billion$'s over 15yrs, like looking at the approah of a cyclone on the weather radar till after it disapates to calm and wondering wtf. The Lowys quit 5 years ago mate. WTF indeed. quit??? heheh whatever mate, the APL are no different in their mentality to the Lowy Ponzi scheme... Different head, same fishy smell :) Truth is that the ONLY obstacle to Australia having a successful football pyramid is the insistence of the *cough *cough "professional" clubs to be financially protected and rewarded for the stupidity and ignorance of "mainstream" consumers. We CAN have it tomorrow. Yes many clubs will go to the wall, yes many clubs will struggle to get 10 fans and a dog to their games, yes the financial "reward" from sponsors and broadcaster may not be there but it CAN happen... and it WILL provide benefits to our performance both locally and internationally. If nothing else, the struggles of 99% of football leagues all around the world proves the concept. Strong clubs prosper, weaker clubs are punished, ambitious clubs have a reason to be ambitious. From Milan, to London to Timbuktu and Tokyo. There are clubs that survive on the smell of an oily rag but still persist because that wonderful concept of sporting merit drives them to seek glory.... If we fail in getting this NST up and running soon I think we have done our dash as a football nation.... The age old "fight" is between making money and having a good environment for football to develop.... I 100% understand why "investors" would want the former but cant really understand why many so called football fans wouldn't want the later? Because: 1. we've done all that and it failed miserably. - We never really did though, the NSl was an abomination AND it was nearly 30 years ago.2. Peak A-league was the best we've ever had in this country by whichever way you wish to measure it. - sure but at what cost to the "rest"?Your aim seems to be improving our performances through P and R and a pyramid. Well the the FFA in 2007 identified that our players need to be better and where that improvement needed to happen at all levesl of the game and how to do it. The National Curriculum was the result. So the FFA addressed your concerns 16 years ago. The State clubs mostly ignored it and did what they'd always done. Still not convinced a NC especially a Dutch one is anything to value, however it DID force the state and NPL clubs to comply to a arbitrary set of rules which has caused the cost of participation to sky-rocket... still dont see any remarkable improvement from it either?
Read that article about the NSL last days and how divided and selfish the stakeholders were. That really hasn't changed much. Agreed the APL are just as much, if not MORE selfish towards their own aims Are you saying that Lowy was different?P and R and second tiers will give you a semi-pro sport that sits below the AFLW, basketball and netball. Don't even think about competing with AFL, NRL or the cricket. These multiple competitors don't exist in Japan and they have 5 times our population. So what? Who cares where it "sits" compared to other codes? Football is all that counts... BTW have a look at Baseball in Japan for context. Semi -Pro competitions in hundreds of other countries seem to produce a viable player pool compared to us no?That matters because you will lose players and fans and along with it media interest and sponsorships. Its downward spiral. Why so? Football fans will ALWAYS engage with football, all we have to do is give them more options to engage with than 11 Australian franchises.We've been there and done that. - No we really havent, the NSL was a bigger shitshwo than the Lowy founded Aleague granted but the APL is slowly making its mark as the biggest 'lemon' of them all. I get that there are people who just have to repeat the past thinking this time it will be different. If only, this time we did...... but all you'll do is just waste another decade going backwards and at the end of it say "at least we tried", as if you did something positive. In reality you just failed to learn the lessons of the past and wasted a decade and maybe buried it for good.
I dont think anyone wants to repeat the past mate, thats the whole point.... This us vs them shit is whats wasting time. ^^^^ It matters where football sits in relation to other codes because there is limited pot of money to share around on sport in this country. Players want to be paid. Fans want to see better players and most want to do it in a decent stadium or quality TV coverage. To create and maintain interest you need media that promotes and discusses the game. This all costs MONEY. As for Lowy, do you really think he did for himself, rather than what *he* believed was the overall good of the game? History shows whilst he was running it, the game was in a better place than ever before, or since. Not better for everyone, but better overall. I'm not as engaged as I was, like many others. Once the game goes semi-pro that will be it for me and many others, other than for those 500-1000 diehards at each club. I don't see that as progress, but you might. You think a nst will cause aleague to go semi pro? Weirdest anti football FUD I've heard yet
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+x+xQuality. While here in Australia there is many rules and regulations, we move games to suit A-League teams when it comes to Aus Cup competitions etc. Actually, Luton will likely need to groundshare at another ground such as the plastic dons because works to bring their ground to minimum EPL standard are estimated at 15 million pounds and not the "do it over summer" variety. Not surprising but still love the "gone from 5th tier to EPL in 9 seasons" vibe If they manage to stay up AND bring up their ground to EPL standards surely thats a win win???
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis make me sooooo jealous of the Japanese football fans A lot of people suggested using the J League’s experience as a template prior to the A League being set up but Uncle Frank did it his way. Its just so frustrating that the chance for a quick cash grab overrode a salvageable competition... The Japanese saw what they had and worked with it to develop something better. We got lumped with crisis profiteering and revenge ... Oh well lets hope JJs new new dawn and eleven principles bear some fruit..... The Lowy's had a 50 year association with football in this country. Of these FIFTY YEARS, Frank was Chairmain of the FFA for 10 years, and his son for another 3 or so years. Under their watch, the A-League received $666 million dollars worth in broadcast deals, and hundreds of millions more in sponsorships and ticket sales. The salvageable competition? Here's a nice summary of how things stood: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/nsl-to-return-to-tv-screens-as-clubs-finally-agree-on-new-deal-20021015-gdfq4s.html Yeah thats great Enzo Im sure the APL and the Lowys before them have profited handsomely on their investment.. Sorry i missed the part in the Japanese Football's review of the last 30 years where they speak about revenue, ticket sales and sponsorship? All I read from their statement is pride in having Japanese national footballers playing in good overseas leagues, a national team that is respected on the world stage and a thriving football pyramid providing aspirational and inspirational football to all clubs and communities in the country. J - league started, 30 years ago with existing basket case clubs, mainly owned by conglomerates or local prefectures and have, in 30 years, developed a football system that has helped them develop into, what I would regard, a serious football nation. Despite football NOT being the most popular sport, despite Japanese players NOT being considered as physically gifted as those from Sth America and Europe and despite not having vast amounts of revenue OR huge storied clubs... We are talking about two different outcomes and I suspect we always will be. Some want MLS lite, others see J-League and sigh and wonder "what if"? Its not great mate, its absolutely astonishing that under the Lowys management the professional game brought in circa $1 billion dollars over 15 years from being utterly broke. J-league clubs are sponsored by some of the biggest global brands, so much money flows in that until recently their best players never felt the need to go overseas. The J-league has a revenue of $1.3 billion AUD. and look where we are after the messiah's round up of a billion$'s over 15yrs, like looking at the approah of a cyclone on the weather radar till after it disapates to calm and wondering wtf. The Lowys quit 5 years ago mate. WTF indeed. quit??? heheh whatever mate, the APL are no different in their mentality to the Lowy Ponzi scheme... Different head, same fishy smell :) Truth is that the ONLY obstacle to Australia having a successful football pyramid is the insistence of the *cough *cough "professional" clubs to be financially protected and rewarded for the stupidity and ignorance of "mainstream" consumers. We CAN have it tomorrow. Yes many clubs will go to the wall, yes many clubs will struggle to get 10 fans and a dog to their games, yes the financial "reward" from sponsors and broadcaster may not be there but it CAN happen... and it WILL provide benefits to our performance both locally and internationally. If nothing else, the struggles of 99% of football leagues all around the world proves the concept. Strong clubs prosper, weaker clubs are punished, ambitious clubs have a reason to be ambitious. From Milan, to London to Timbuktu and Tokyo. There are clubs that survive on the smell of an oily rag but still persist because that wonderful concept of sporting merit drives them to seek glory.... If we fail in getting this NST up and running soon I think we have done our dash as a football nation.... The age old "fight" is between making money and having a good environment for football to develop.... I 100% understand why "investors" would want the former but cant really understand why many so called football fans wouldn't want the later? Because: 1. we've done all that and it failed miserably. - We never really did though, the NSl was an abomination AND it was nearly 30 years ago.2. Peak A-league was the best we've ever had in this country by whichever way you wish to measure it. - sure but at what cost to the "rest"?Your aim seems to be improving our performances through P and R and a pyramid. Well the the FFA in 2007 identified that our players need to be better and where that improvement needed to happen at all levesl of the game and how to do it. The National Curriculum was the result. So the FFA addressed your concerns 16 years ago. The State clubs mostly ignored it and did what they'd always done. Still not convinced a NC especially a Dutch one is anything to value, however it DID force the state and NPL clubs to comply to a arbitrary set of rules which has caused the cost of participation to sky-rocket... still dont see any remarkable improvement from it either?
Read that article about the NSL last days and how divided and selfish the stakeholders were. That really hasn't changed much. Agreed the APL are just as much, if not MORE selfish towards their own aims Are you saying that Lowy was different?P and R and second tiers will give you a semi-pro sport that sits below the AFLW, basketball and netball. Don't even think about competing with AFL, NRL or the cricket. These multiple competitors don't exist in Japan and they have 5 times our population. So what? Who cares where it "sits" compared to other codes? Football is all that counts... BTW have a look at Baseball in Japan for context. Semi -Pro competitions in hundreds of other countries seem to produce a viable player pool compared to us no?That matters because you will lose players and fans and along with it media interest and sponsorships. Its downward spiral. Why so? Football fans will ALWAYS engage with football, all we have to do is give them more options to engage with than 11 Australian franchises.We've been there and done that. - No we really havent, the NSL was a bigger shitshwo than the Lowy founded Aleague granted but the APL is slowly making its mark as the biggest 'lemon' of them all. I get that there are people who just have to repeat the past thinking this time it will be different. If only, this time we did...... but all you'll do is just waste another decade going backwards and at the end of it say "at least we tried", as if you did something positive. In reality you just failed to learn the lessons of the past and wasted a decade and maybe buried it for good.
I dont think anyone wants to repeat the past mate, thats the whole point.... This us vs them shit is whats wasting time. ^^^^ It matters where football sits in relation to other codes because there is limited pot of money to share around on sport in this country. Players want to be paid. Fans want to see better players and most want to do it in a decent stadium or quality TV coverage. To create and maintain interest you need media that promotes and discusses the game. This all costs MONEY. As for Lowy, do you really think he did for himself, rather than what *he* believed was the overall good of the game? History shows whilst he was running it, the game was in a better place than ever before, or since. Not better for everyone, but better overall. I'm not as engaged as I was, like many others. Once the game goes semi-pro that will be it for me and many others, other than for those 500-1000 diehards at each club. I don't see that as progress, but you might. You think a nst will cause aleague to go semi pro? Weirdest anti football FUD I've heard yet The Aleage has been "Pro" for 18 years now and some clubs dont even HAVE 1000 diehards..... Why not try something a little adventurous?
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I went there in in '88 on the Man City Supporters Coaches. Don't remember that entrance, but maybe things were set up different then I remember the horrible stupid plastic pitch ............... Lots of "Subbuteo, Subbuteo" chants One side of the pitch was just corporate boxes at pitch level, hilariously awful. (apparently still is similar) Check it out. 2:55. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMl_DfcQd5s
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+xI went there in in '88 on the Man City Supporters Coaches. Don't remember that entrance, but maybe things were set up different then I remember the horrible stupid plastic pitch ............... Lots of "Subbuteo, Subbuteo" chants One side of the pitch was just corporate boxes at pitch level, hilariously awful. (apparently still is similar) Check it out. 2:55. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMl_DfcQd5s hahaha they look like train carriages...... Ah 1988 when everything was right in the world. Van Basten was putting the Russkies to the sword in the Euros... The Serie A was the centre of the known universe and Luton was beating the "Citizens" hahhahaha sorry mate :)
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Hows Wednesdays playoff result, what a turn around, ET, pens. 1 more to go.
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Squeaky Bum Sunday  All at home  Leeds have to win, hope Leicester don't and Everton lose (or win by 3 if Everton draw) Leicester have to win and hope Everton don't Everton only sure hope is if they win
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+xSqueaky Bum Sunday All at home Leeds have to win and hope Leicester don't and Everton lose (or win by 3 with Everton draw) Leicester have to win and hope Everton don't win Everton only sure hope is if they win And Spurs hoping Villa stumble, so they can squeak in to the Conference league at least otherwise no Europe next year.... Squeaky Bum Sunday never fails to deliver.... If Chelski does the miraculous tomorrow morning there will be even more drama up the top end of the table..... EPL is brutal.
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+x+xSqueaky Bum Sunday All at home Leeds have to win and hope Leicester don't and Everton lose (or win by 3 with Everton draw) Leicester have to win and hope Everton don't win Everton only sure hope is if they win And Spurs hoping Villa stumble, so they can squeak in to the Conference league at least otherwise no Europe next year.... Squeaky Bum Sunday never fails to deliver.... If Chelski does the miraculous tomorrow morning there will be even more drama up the top end of the table..... EPL is brutal. Spurs dont want the Conference league, they rather focus on the PL and not worry about a third tier european cup where they might play an extra 8-10 matches throughout the year.
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