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TheSelectFew wrote:
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aufc_ole wrote:
The bigger teams would more than likely stay up tho?

Imagine the boost to the brand of the A2-League if a big team did go down? Can't lose.
This is exactly what happened when we played in div 2. It made the league interesting. It is a major benefit for the second league to have a big team trying to come back up.


In scotland too with rangers going down to 4th div and hibs and hearts also having spells in 2nd div. It isnt always a bad thing. Been a lot of investment into lower tiers as a result because rangers average is still up.


Rangers going down, has been great for Scottish football :roll:



I said for the investment of football idiot. Read. Besides Rangers will be back up next season. It's all part of the wonderful world of p/r idiot.


what investment in lower leagues in Scotland? give a link to all this great new investment


http://www.skysports.com/football/news/13869/10047368/bookmakers-william-hill-extend-sponsorship-of-scottish-cup

Idiot. Theres ablot more in it than just William Hill but i cbf anymore.


That just a sponsor of Scottish cup.....Sony PlayStation sponsor NPL

so, you don't know, and that was all you could find?

Edited by adrtho: 12/3/2016 11:14:31 AM
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adrtho wrote:
TheSelectFew wrote:
adrtho wrote:
TheSelectFew wrote:
scott21 wrote:
paladisious wrote:
aufc_ole wrote:
The bigger teams would more than likely stay up tho?

Imagine the boost to the brand of the A2-League if a big team did go down? Can't lose.
This is exactly what happened when we played in div 2. It made the league interesting. It is a major benefit for the second league to have a big team trying to come back up.


In scotland too with rangers going down to 4th div and hibs and hearts also having spells in 2nd div. It isnt always a bad thing. Been a lot of investment into lower tiers as a result because rangers average is still up.


Rangers going down, has been great for Scottish football :roll:



I said for the investment of football idiot. Read. Besides Rangers will be back up next season. It's all part of the wonderful world of p/r idiot.


what investment in lower leagues in Scotland? give a link to all this great new investment


http://www.skysports.com/football/news/13869/10047368/bookmakers-william-hill-extend-sponsorship-of-scottish-cup

Idiot. Theres ablot more in it than just William Hill but i cbf anymore.


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TheSelectFew wrote:
adrtho wrote:
TheSelectFew wrote:
scott21 wrote:
paladisious wrote:
aufc_ole wrote:
The bigger teams would more than likely stay up tho?

Imagine the boost to the brand of the A2-League if a big team did go down? Can't lose.
This is exactly what happened when we played in div 2. It made the league interesting. It is a major benefit for the second league to have a big team trying to come back up.


In scotland too with rangers going down to 4th div and hibs and hearts also having spells in 2nd div. It isnt always a bad thing. Been a lot of investment into lower tiers as a result because rangers average is still up.


Rangers going down, has been great for Scottish football :roll:



I said for the investment of football idiot. Read. Besides Rangers will be back up next season. It's all part of the wonderful world of p/r idiot.


what investment in lower leagues in Scotland? give a link to all this great new investment
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scott21 wrote:
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Not sure if a football kit, or the leaders jersey in the Tour de France... :-s

As you can see, even Taco Svenssons knob has a sponsor

There's names aren't even on their jerseys :)


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Heineken wrote:

Not sure if a football kit, or the leaders jersey in the Tour de France... :-s

As you can see, even Taco Svenssons knob has a sponsor

There's names aren't even on their jerseys :)
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adrtho wrote:
TheSelectFew wrote:
scott21 wrote:
paladisious wrote:
aufc_ole wrote:
The bigger teams would more than likely stay up tho?

Imagine the boost to the brand of the A2-League if a big team did go down? Can't lose.
This is exactly what happened when we played in div 2. It made the league interesting. It is a major benefit for the second league to have a big team trying to come back up.


In scotland too with rangers going down to 4th div and hibs and hearts also having spells in 2nd div. It isnt always a bad thing. Been a lot of investment into lower tiers as a result because rangers average is still up.


Rangers going down, has been great for Scottish football :roll:



I said for the investment of football idiot. Read. Besides Rangers will be back up next season. It's all part of the wonderful world of p/r idiot.


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Eastern Glory wrote:
More like 'What hope for football if we get Pro/Rel?'

The answer is nada. Zip. Zero. None.
Let's talk when every club sells out every match.


How many leagues had every team selling out every match before introducing P/R?

You're just one of many who approach this puzzle in a different and illogical way

If you want to build a successful social media site like Facebook you don't start by trying to build a site with 1 billion users from day 1, charging advertisers high amounts of money from day 1, and selling shares from day 1

Its important to follow the start to end process

As they say, Rome wasn't built in a day



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adrtho wrote:
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With if the way the national curriculum has been going and if the under 16 Australian side last year is anything to go upon i really do think we will start pumping up some real talent soon.

A Lot of those players will go to China, a lot of them will go to Europe, as long as we produce quite a lot and have good depth we will be fine.

The A-League will be a development league for a while, but if the Socceroos can (and i think they will) produce quality players playing in big leagues and we do well on the international stage the A-League and soccer in general will rise in popularity in Australia. Resulting in more funds, crowds, promotion relegation etc.

I think the future of our National Team and the A-League is bright.

Edited by socceroofan4life: 12/3/2016 06:26:06 AM


the A-league not a development league

there nothing development about MVFC.... 30 years old Berisha, 37 year old Thompson, 33 year old Ben Khalfallah , 30 year old Guilherme, 31 year old Valeri, . 34 year old Delpierre, 30 year old Vuković, 28 year old Georgievski, 28 year old Broxham, 27 year old Bozanic, 26 year old Barbarouses

the A-league not a development league


What is it then?
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TheSelectFew wrote:

In scotland too with rangers going down to 4th div and hibs and hearts also having spells in 2nd div. It isnt always a bad thing. Been a lot of investment into lower tiers as a result because rangers average is still up.

Yep. Some people keep on pointing out Australias landmass as an issue, even though probably all the teams except perhaps QLD would still be in the state capitals. Its more a matter of travel expenses. If the A-League can work, a second division can work. Then eventually put them together. Queensland has shown you run an NPL over a massive distance.

The land size issue is just a crock. Australia's population is heavily urbanised and focused upon 5 major cities. How do you get from one to the other? By flying heavily used, highly profitable, efficient routes between them. How much time does it take? Flights between Melbourne and Sydney or Sydney and Brisbane take less time than many train/bus rides between cities in small European nations. And they don't have the option of domestic flights because they're so close it doesn't make sense. The ride to the airport would be longer than the flight - if it was available. Yeah, Australia is big. But we know how to move people between cities pretty damn well. It's not like we'll have the problem of getting Sale United to Karratha Galaxy's stadium.


English teams piss and moan when they have to fly to Russia or Ukraine to play football match....

Sydney- Melbourne not one hour...it more like 3hr to in and out of airport
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Socceroofan4life wrote:
With if the way the national curriculum has been going and if the under 16 Australian side last year is anything to go upon i really do think we will start pumping up some real talent soon.

A Lot of those players will go to China, a lot of them will go to Europe, as long as we produce quite a lot and have good depth we will be fine.

The A-League will be a development league for a while, but if the Socceroos can (and i think they will) produce quality players playing in big leagues and we do well on the international stage the A-League and soccer in general will rise in popularity in Australia. Resulting in more funds, crowds, promotion relegation etc.

I think the future of our National Team and the A-League is bright.

Edited by socceroofan4life: 12/3/2016 06:26:06 AM


the A-league not a development league

there nothing development about MVFC.... 30 years old Berisha, 37 year old Thompson, 33 year old Ben Khalfallah , 30 year old Guilherme, 31 year old Valeri, . 34 year old Delpierre, 30 year old Vuković, 28 year old Georgievski, 28 year old Broxham, 27 year old Bozanic, 26 year old Barbarouses

the A-league not a development league
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More like 'What hope for football if we get Pro/Rel?'

The answer is nada. Zip. Zero. None.
Let's talk when every club sells out every match.
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scott21 wrote:
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this is right

FFA can not take the risk

meh, Australia will never be able to compete with China or the US. If we continue with a limited amount of clubs all that will happen is as the tv deals get bigger and beigger and the PFA will want more and more money. This will translate into Australian players being overpaid and not having ambition to go overseas. So yeah, we will turn into the MLS just without the big marquee players.

More professional budget clubs are needed.



CSL and MLS will be in top 5 league soon

but the A-League is surpassing
Eredivisie,Superleague Greece, Belgian Pro League, Swiss Super League, Austrian Bundesliga, Czech First League, Romanian Liga I, Allsvenskan, Tippeligaen, Tippeligaen,    Ekstraklasa, Scottish Premiership,    Serbian Superliga, Prva HNL, Süper Lig

In salarys for Australian players. That is my point.

Edited by scott21: 12/3/2016 06:20:55 AM


there no player in Eredivisie league, that being paid more then €1m a year....
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scott21 wrote:
TheSelectFew wrote:

In scotland too with rangers going down to 4th div and hibs and hearts also having spells in 2nd div. It isnt always a bad thing. Been a lot of investment into lower tiers as a result because rangers average is still up.

Yep. Some people keep on pointing out Australias landmass as an issue, even though probably all the teams except perhaps QLD would still be in the state capitals. Its more a matter of travel expenses. If the A-League can work, a second division can work. Then eventually put them together. Queensland has shown you run an NPL over a massive distance.

The land size issue is just a crock. Australia's population is heavily urbanised and focused upon 5 major cities. How do you get from one to the other? By flying heavily used, highly profitable, efficient routes between them. How much time does it take? Flights between Melbourne and Sydney or Sydney and Brisbane take less time than many train/bus rides between cities in small European nations. And they don't have the option of domestic flights because they're so close it doesn't make sense. The ride to the airport would be longer than the flight - if it was available. Yeah, Australia is big. But we know how to move people between cities pretty damn well. It's not like we'll have the problem of getting Sale United to Karratha Galaxy's stadium.
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If the Tards went down FFA lose the Melbourne derby, the Big Blue and the Pissants lose their main Rival.

If either Sydney team goes down FFA lose their three biggest matches of the year.

If Perth go down football fans in the west are a thousand miles from the nearest HAL team.

This is not the UK with hundreds of teams a bus ride from each other. We are one of the least densely populated nations on earth, promotion and relegation is a casualty of that.


The chances of Sydney or Melbourne finishing last in an open competition in a 12 team league is about the same as the team folding through other causes

Are we really going to stop progress because of a small scale risk?

The irony is Sydney and Melbourne have spent more years at the bottom losing fans and support under the current model then they ever would have had to if the league had a proper structure to begin with

The other thing is a second division would most likely include a 3rd Sydney and Melbourne team. What are the chances all 3 are crap?


Sydney are currently 7th and haven't won in weeks. You don't see that happening in a P/R league but that's what we do to our biggest assets time and time again



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Socceroofan4life wrote:
With if the way the national curriculum has been going and if the under 16 Australian side last year is anything to go upon i really do think we will start pumping up some real talent soon.

A Lot of those players will go to China, a lot of them will go to Europe, as long as we produce quite a lot and have good depth we will be fine.

The A-League will be a development league for a while, but if the Socceroos can (and i think they will) produce quality players playing in big leagues and we do well on the international stage the A-League and soccer in general will rise in popularity in Australia. Resulting in more funds, crowds, promotion relegation etc.

I think the future of our National Team and the A-League is bright.

Edited by socceroofan4life: 12/3/2016 06:26:06 AM

We keep hearing how good there are/will be.

But if we only have 10 professional teams there won't be enough places for players.
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With if the way the national curriculum has been going and if the under 16 Australian side last year is anything to go upon i really do think we will start pumping up some real talent soon.

A Lot of those players will go to China, a lot of them will go to Europe, as long as we produce quite a lot and have good depth we will be fine.

The A-League will be a development league for a while, but if the Socceroos can (and i think they will) produce quality players playing in big leagues and we do well on the international stage the A-League and soccer in general will rise in popularity in Australia. Resulting in more funds, crowds, promotion relegation etc.

I think the future of our National Team and the A-League is bright.

Edited by socceroofan4life: 12/3/2016 06:26:06 AM
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adrtho wrote:
scott21 wrote:
adrtho wrote:


this is right

FFA can not take the risk

meh, Australia will never be able to compete with China or the US. If we continue with a limited amount of clubs all that will happen is as the tv deals get bigger and beigger and the PFA will want more and more money. This will translate into Australian players being overpaid and not having ambition to go overseas. So yeah, we will turn into the MLS just without the big marquee players.

More professional budget clubs are needed.



CSL and MLS will be in top 5 league soon

but the A-League is surpassing
Eredivisie,Superleague Greece, Belgian Pro League, Swiss Super League, Austrian Bundesliga, Czech First League, Romanian Liga I, Allsvenskan, Tippeligaen, Tippeligaen,    Ekstraklasa, Scottish Premiership,    Serbian Superliga, Prva HNL, Süper Lig

In salarys for Australian players. That is my point.

Edited by scott21: 12/3/2016 06:20:55 AM
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scott21 wrote:
adrtho wrote:


this is right

FFA can not take the risk

meh, Australia will never be able to compete with China or the US. If we continue with a limited amount of clubs all that will happen is as the tv deals get bigger and beigger and the PFA will want more and more money. This will translate into Australian players being overpaid and not having ambition to go overseas. So yeah, we will turn into the MLS just without the big marquee players.

More professional budget clubs are needed.



CSL and MLS will be in top 5 league soon

but the A-League is surpassing
Eredivisie,Superleague Greece, Belgian Pro League, Swiss Super League, Austrian Bundesliga, Czech First League, Romanian Liga I, Allsvenskan, Tippeligaen, Tippeligaen,    Ekstraklasa, Scottish Premiership,    Serbian Superliga, Prva HNL, Süper Lig
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TheSelectFew wrote:
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TheSelectFew wrote:

In scotland too with rangers going down to 4th div and hibs and hearts also having spells in 2nd div. It isnt always a bad thing. Been a lot of investment into lower tiers as a result because rangers average is still up.

Yep. Some people keep on pointing out Australias landmass as an issue, even though probably all the teams except perhaps QLD would still be in the state capitals. Its more a matter of travel expenses. If the A-League can work, a second division can work. Then eventually put them together. Queensland has shown you run an NPL over a massive distance.


IF Elfsborg show how you get that sponsorship money in.



Some of the teams, even in the first division, have individual sponsors. So basically each individual player has different sponsor on this back above his number.



Thats similar to local footy. It brings in a lot of dollars.

Not sure if a football kit, or the leaders jersey in the Tour de France... :-s

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adrtho wrote:


this is right

FFA can not take the risk

meh, Australia will never be able to compete with China or the US. If we continue with a limited amount of clubs all that will happen is as the tv deals get bigger and beigger and the PFA will want more and more money. This will translate into Australian players being overpaid and not having ambition to go overseas. So yeah, we will turn into the MLS just without the big marquee players.

More professional budget clubs are needed.


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TheSelectFew wrote:
scott21 wrote:
paladisious wrote:
aufc_ole wrote:
The bigger teams would more than likely stay up tho?

Imagine the boost to the brand of the A2-League if a big team did go down? Can't lose.
This is exactly what happened when we played in div 2. It made the league interesting. It is a major benefit for the second league to have a big team trying to come back up.


In scotland too with rangers going down to 4th div and hibs and hearts also having spells in 2nd div. It isnt always a bad thing. Been a lot of investment into lower tiers as a result because rangers average is still up.


Rangers going down, has been great for Scottish football :roll:


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Crusader wrote:
If the Tards went down FFA lose the Melbourne derby, the Big Blue and the Pissants lose their main Rival.

If either Sydney team goes down FFA lose their three biggest matches of the year.

If Perth go down football fans in the west are a thousand miles from the nearest HAL team.

This is not the UK with hundreds of teams a bus ride from each other. We are one of the least densely populated nations on earth, promotion and relegation is a casualty of that.


this is right

FFA can not take the risk
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scott21 wrote:
scott21 wrote:
TheSelectFew wrote:

In scotland too with rangers going down to 4th div and hibs and hearts also having spells in 2nd div. It isnt always a bad thing. Been a lot of investment into lower tiers as a result because rangers average is still up.

Yep. Some people keep on pointing out Australias landmass as an issue, even though probably all the teams except perhaps QLD would still be in the state capitals. Its more a matter of travel expenses. If the A-League can work, a second division can work. Then eventually put them together. Queensland has shown you run an NPL over a massive distance.


IF Elfsborg show how you get that sponsorship money in.



Some of the teams, even in the first division, have individual sponsors. So basically each individual player has different sponsor on this back above his number.



Thats similar to local footy. It brings in a lot of dollars.


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scott21 wrote:
TheSelectFew wrote:

In scotland too with rangers going down to 4th div and hibs and hearts also having spells in 2nd div. It isnt always a bad thing. Been a lot of investment into lower tiers as a result because rangers average is still up.

Yep. Some people keep on pointing out Australias landmass as an issue, even though probably all the teams except perhaps QLD would still be in the state capitals. Its more a matter of travel expenses. If the A-League can work, a second division can work. Then eventually put them together. Queensland has shown you run an NPL over a massive distance.


IF Elfsborg show how you get that sponsorship money in.



Some of the teams, even in the first division, have individual sponsors. So basically each individual player has different sponsor on this back above his number.


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In scotland too with rangers going down to 4th div and hibs and hearts also having spells in 2nd div. It isnt always a bad thing. Been a lot of investment into lower tiers as a result because rangers average is still up.

Yep. Some people keep on pointing out Australias landmass as an issue, even though probably all the teams except perhaps QLD would still be in the state capitals. Its more a matter of travel expenses. If the A-League can work, a second division can work. Then eventually put them together. Queensland has shown you run an NPL over a massive distance.
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The bigger teams would more than likely stay up tho?

Imagine the boost to the brand of the A2-League if a big team did go down? Can't lose.
This is exactly what happened when we played in div 2. It made the league interesting. It is a major benefit for the second league to have a big team trying to come back up.


In scotland too with rangers going down to 4th div and hibs and hearts also having spells in 2nd div. It isnt always a bad thing. Been a lot of investment into lower tiers as a result because rangers average is still up.


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If the Tards went down FFA lose the Melbourne derby, the Big Blue and the Pissants lose their main Rival.

If either Sydney team goes down FFA lose their three biggest matches of the year.

If Perth go down football fans in the west are a thousand miles from the nearest HAL team.

This is not the UK with hundreds of teams a bus ride from each other. We are one of the least densely populated nations on earth, promotion and relegation is a casualty of that.

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If the Tards went down FFA lose the Melbourne derby, the Big Blue and the Pissants lose their main Rival.

If either Sydney team goes down FFA lose their three biggest matches of the year.

If Perth go down football fans in the west are a thousand miles from the nearest HAL team.

This is not the UK with hundreds of teams a bus ride from each other. We are one of the least densely populated nations on earth, promotion and relegation is a casualty of that.
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paladisious wrote:
aufc_ole wrote:
The bigger teams would more than likely stay up tho?

Imagine the boost to the brand of the A2-League if a big team did go down? Can't lose.
This is exactly what happened when we played in div 2. It made the league interesting. It is a major benefit for the second league to have a big team trying to come back up.
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aufc_ole wrote:

The bigger teams would more than likely stay up tho?

Not always. Leeds is an example, because not only in the top division but in the second division every team wants to beat them that little extra. It makes it hard to progress.

My team got relegated and spent 5 years in div 2 while there were village teams in the highest league. Last year we had the highest attendance in the whole of Scandinavia.

This would be even more risky in a salary cap league. When you hit that death spiral its pretty hard to snap out of it sometimes, even if you ar a "big" team.
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