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aufc_ole wrote:The bigger teams would more than likely stay up tho? Imagine the boost to the brand of the A2-League if a big team did go down? Can't lose.
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scott21 wrote:RedshirtWilly wrote:eyesman wrote:Set up an A-League 2 with a number of teams from the best of NPL and give them A-League associated member licences. Expand the A-league 1 to say, 14. The current teams are given A-League Pro licences and cannot be relegated, the 4 A-League expansion clubs with Assoc members can. Every X number of years licences reviewed. Some Assoc Member licences may be upgraded to Pro, and some may be down-graded to Associated member, if they are financially unviable. So as an example, Nth Qld Fury would have been downgraded to Assoc Member and only if finishing bottom would they have been relegated to AL2. This is not a true Pro/rel but at least guarantees survival of the current franchises as long as they are financial. Also gives AL2 teams a chance of playing a AL1. As the Pro licences increase then we will get true pro/rel. If they don't ....well we are no better than we are now. It's a compromise and would satisfy both the franchise only supporters and those advocating the joining of the A-League and the NPL into one pyramid system. This isn't a bad idea. Two others I like: 2 tiers of 10 playing each other twice and then the other tier once, pro/rel one team in a playoffCreate APL through best of NPL and other teams working towards full A-League membership. Pro when they meet the requirements, no relegation until generations have grown up with the club. Either way the idea is not going to happen now no matter how romantic it sounds. Our top tier needs to be sustainable, then we need an actual second tier, and of both tiers we need supporters to bring in the revenue. None of that will happen overnight. I like this and have suggested it earlier. The main reason I like it is that it guarantees clashes. The FFAs biggest fear isn't CCM or NJ going down and potentially dying, it must surely the one of the Syd or Mel teams do. Then they lose their derbies. The bigger teams would more than likely stay up tho?
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inala brah wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:aufc_ole wrote:inala brah wrote:aufc_ole wrote:Losing brain cells trying to comprehend ardtho's logic he's just trolled the fuck out of this thread I genuinely think he's being serious tho I share the same concerns he gotchya + he self trolls like a pro Now i just feel sorry for the bloke.
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RedshirtWilly wrote:eyesman wrote:Set up an A-League 2 with a number of teams from the best of NPL and give them A-League associated member licences. Expand the A-league 1 to say, 14. The current teams are given A-League Pro licences and cannot be relegated, the 4 A-League expansion clubs with Assoc members can. Every X number of years licences reviewed. Some Assoc Member licences may be upgraded to Pro, and some may be down-graded to Associated member, if they are financially unviable. So as an example, Nth Qld Fury would have been downgraded to Assoc Member and only if finishing bottom would they have been relegated to AL2. This is not a true Pro/rel but at least guarantees survival of the current franchises as long as they are financial. Also gives AL2 teams a chance of playing a AL1. As the Pro licences increase then we will get true pro/rel. If they don't ....well we are no better than we are now. It's a compromise and would satisfy both the franchise only supporters and those advocating the joining of the A-League and the NPL into one pyramid system. This isn't a bad idea. Two others I like: 2 tiers of 10 playing each other twice and then the other tier once, pro/rel one team in a playoffCreate APL through best of NPL and other teams working towards full A-League membership. Pro when they meet the requirements, no relegation until generations have grown up with the club. Either way the idea is not going to happen now no matter how romantic it sounds. Our top tier needs to be sustainable, then we need an actual second tier, and of both tiers we need supporters to bring in the revenue. None of that will happen overnight. I like this and have suggested it earlier. The main reason I like it is that it guarantees clashes. The FFAs biggest fear isn't CCM or NJ going down and potentially dying, it must surely the one of the Syd or Mel teams do. Then they lose their derbies.
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TheSelectFew wrote:aufc_ole wrote:inala brah wrote:aufc_ole wrote:Losing brain cells trying to comprehend ardtho's logic he's just trolled the fuck out of this thread I genuinely think he's being serious tho I share the same concerns he gotchya + he self trolls like a pro
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adrtho wrote:aufc_ole wrote:inala brah wrote:aufc_ole wrote:Losing brain cells trying to comprehend ardtho's logic he's just trolled the fuck out of this thread I genuinely think he's being serious tho i'm serious...i agree with FFA....no P/R k
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aufc_ole wrote:inala brah wrote:aufc_ole wrote:Losing brain cells trying to comprehend ardtho's logic he's just trolled the fuck out of this thread I genuinely think he's being serious tho i'm serious...i agree with FFA....no P/R
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aufc_ole wrote:inala brah wrote:aufc_ole wrote:Losing brain cells trying to comprehend ardtho's logic he's just trolled the fuck out of this thread I genuinely think he's being serious tho I share the same concerns
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inala brah wrote:aufc_ole wrote:Losing brain cells trying to comprehend ardtho's logic he's just trolled the fuck out of this thread I genuinely think he's being serious tho
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Socceroofan4life wrote:I'm never copy and pasting another Les Murray article again. TFFT.
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aufc_ole wrote:Losing brain cells trying to comprehend ardtho's logic he's just trolled the fuck out of this thread
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I'm never copy and pasting another Les Murray article again.
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adrtho wrote:aufc_ole wrote:Losing brain cells trying to comprehend ardtho's logic you really should stop reading , I know you don't have many brain cells left You keep deflecting you idiot.
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aufc_ole wrote:Losing brain cells trying to comprehend ardtho's logic you really should stop reading , I know you don't have many brain cells left :p that logic is the same as FFA Edited by adrtho: 11/3/2016 02:47:21 PM
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Losing brain cells trying to comprehend ardtho's logic
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adrtho wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:
All of Asia , South America and Africa are eurosnobs. Tardtho facts. Idiot.
you're not even a muppet 
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TheSelectFew wrote:adrtho wrote:Benjamin wrote:adrtho wrote:Benjamin wrote:southmelb wrote:Promotion/relegation is not just a European thing, thousands of supporters in this country live it week in week out. Plus just about all of South America, Africa, Asia... Only North America and Australia appear to operate completely without promotion/relegation from the top division. But those against keep on repeating the Eurosnob wet dream routine, because it's easier than actually discussing the issues. because that what is is for 95% of you on here...a Eurosnob wet dream again, the only 2 non P/R league are A-league and MLS.....and both those league have a long term tend that is up It's explained to you that practically the whole footballing world has promotion/relegation, having previously been explained that even Australia has it below the HAL... Then you yourself note that only the MLS and HAL don't have it... Yet you continue to believe it's a Eurosnob issue. Surely Eurosnobs wouldn't care about promotion/relegation in Australia, because it's beneath them as they wish to follow Barcelona, Man Utd, Bayern Munich, etc. Snobs wouldn't have any interest at all in South Melbourne or Marconi, or whoever, being a part of the A-League. it is on here.....EuroSnobs want things to be like it is in Europe EuroSnobs doesn't mean just to follow European football league or team , it also means that only Europe know something about football, and Australia can never do something better then Europe in regards to Football All of Asia , South America and Africa are eurosnobs. Tardtho facts. Idiot. Edited by TheSelectFew: 11/3/2016 12:16:33 PM you're not even a muppet
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adrtho wrote:Benjamin wrote:adrtho wrote:Benjamin wrote:southmelb wrote:Promotion/relegation is not just a European thing, thousands of supporters in this country live it week in week out. Plus just about all of South America, Africa, Asia... Only North America and Australia appear to operate completely without promotion/relegation from the top division. But those against keep on repeating the Eurosnob wet dream routine, because it's easier than actually discussing the issues. because that what is is for 95% of you on here...a Eurosnob wet dream again, the only 2 non P/R league are A-league and MLS.....and both those league have a long term tend that is up It's explained to you that practically the whole footballing world has promotion/relegation, having previously been explained that even Australia has it below the HAL... Then you yourself note that only the MLS and HAL don't have it... Yet you continue to believe it's a Eurosnob issue. Surely Eurosnobs wouldn't care about promotion/relegation in Australia, because it's beneath them as they wish to follow Barcelona, Man Utd, Bayern Munich, etc. Snobs wouldn't have any interest at all in South Melbourne or Marconi, or whoever, being a part of the A-League. it is on here.....EuroSnobs want things to be like it is in Europe EuroSnobs doesn't mean just to follow European football league or team , it also means that only Europe know something about football, and Australia can never do something better then Europe in regards to Football All of Asia , South America and Africa are eurosnobs. Tardtho facts. Idiot. Edited by TheSelectFew: 11/3/2016 12:16:33 PM
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If money equaled development china would have won the wc a couple of decades back.
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Benjamin wrote:adrtho wrote:Benjamin wrote:southmelb wrote:Promotion/relegation is not just a European thing, thousands of supporters in this country live it week in week out. Plus just about all of South America, Africa, Asia... Only North America and Australia appear to operate completely without promotion/relegation from the top division. But those against keep on repeating the Eurosnob wet dream routine, because it's easier than actually discussing the issues. because that what is is for 95% of you on here...a Eurosnob wet dream again, the only 2 non P/R league are A-league and MLS.....and both those league have a long term tend that is up It's explained to you that practically the whole footballing world has promotion/relegation, having previously been explained that even Australia has it below the HAL... Then you yourself note that only the MLS and HAL don't have it... Yet you continue to believe it's a Eurosnob issue. Surely Eurosnobs wouldn't care about promotion/relegation in Australia, because it's beneath them as they wish to follow Barcelona, Man Utd, Bayern Munich, etc. Snobs wouldn't have any interest at all in South Melbourne or Marconi, or whoever, being a part of the A-League. it is on here.....EuroSnobs want things to be like it is in Europe EuroSnobs doesn't mean just to follow European football league or team , it also means that only Europe know something about football, and Australia can never do something better then Europe in regards to Football
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Benjamin wrote:adrtho wrote:Benjamin wrote:southmelb wrote:Promotion/relegation is not just a European thing, thousands of supporters in this country live it week in week out. Plus just about all of South America, Africa, Asia... Only North America and Australia appear to operate completely without promotion/relegation from the top division. But those against keep on repeating the Eurosnob wet dream routine, because it's easier than actually discussing the issues. because that what is is for 95% of you on here...a Eurosnob wet dream again, the only 2 non P/R league are A-league and MLS.....and both those league have a long term tend that is up It's explained to you that practically the whole footballing world has promotion/relegation, having previously been explained that even Australia has it below the HAL... Then you yourself note that only the MLS and HAL don't have it... Yet you continue to believe it's a Eurosnob issue. Surely Eurosnobs wouldn't care about promotion/relegation in Australia, because it's beneath them as they wish to follow Barcelona, Man Utd, Bayern Munich, etc. Snobs wouldn't have any interest at all in South Melbourne or Marconi, or whoever, being a part of the A-League. And yet Mls has higher crowds and greater commercial success than many European leagues
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lukerobinho wrote:Back to top wrote:southmelb wrote:The thing that annoys me most is when people who oppose it put it down as some sort of European wet dream, the reality is those who follow an npl club follow this format, on Monday night I'm watching south Melbourne travel to newly promoted bulleen, they will kick, scratch, park the bus and do whatever possible to take points off us..why? Because they want to remain in the division and avoid relegation, this is football, real football, if people actually step outside the A league bubble they would realise this concept is part of what we follow year in year out, hell we almost got relegated in 2008. Promotion/relegation is not just a European thing, thousands of supporters in this country live it week in week out. x 9999999999 And no doubt the 50 blokes in the crowd are enthralled by the whole affair 
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Back to top wrote:southmelb wrote:The thing that annoys me most is when people who oppose it put it down as some sort of European wet dream, the reality is those who follow an npl club follow this format, on Monday night I'm watching south Melbourne travel to newly promoted bulleen, they will kick, scratch, park the bus and do whatever possible to take points off us..why? Because they want to remain in the division and avoid relegation, this is football, real football, if people actually step outside the A league bubble they would realise this concept is part of what we follow year in year out, hell we almost got relegated in 2008. Promotion/relegation is not just a European thing, thousands of supporters in this country live it week in week out. x 9999999999 And no doubt the 50 blokes in the crowd are enthralled by the whole affair
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adrtho wrote:Benjamin wrote:southmelb wrote:Promotion/relegation is not just a European thing, thousands of supporters in this country live it week in week out. Plus just about all of South America, Africa, Asia... Only North America and Australia appear to operate completely without promotion/relegation from the top division. But those against keep on repeating the Eurosnob wet dream routine, because it's easier than actually discussing the issues. because that what is is for 95% of you on here...a Eurosnob wet dream again, the only 2 non P/R league are A-league and MLS.....and both those league have a long term tend that is up It's explained to you that practically the whole footballing world has promotion/relegation, having previously been explained that even Australia has it below the HAL... Then you yourself note that only the MLS and HAL don't have it... Yet you continue to believe it's a Eurosnob issue. Surely Eurosnobs wouldn't care about promotion/relegation in Australia, because it's beneath them as they wish to follow Barcelona, Man Utd, Bayern Munich, etc. Snobs wouldn't have any interest at all in South Melbourne or Marconi, or whoever, being a part of the A-League.
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adrtho wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:adrtho wrote:Benjamin wrote:southmelb wrote:Promotion/relegation is not just a European thing, thousands of supporters in this country live it week in week out. Plus just about all of South America, Africa, Asia... Only North America and Australia appear to operate completely without promotion/relegation from the top division. But those against keep on repeating the Eurosnob wet dream routine, because it's easier than actually discussing the issues. because that what is is for 95% of you on here...a Eurosnob wet dream again, the only 2 non P/R league are A-league and MLS.....and both those league have a long term tend that is up Wtf is a long term tend. If anything you sounds pro pro/rel. Idiot. :lol: >only eurosnobs want p/r >mls and a league are the only leagues in the world without it So its not just a eurosnob thing and in fact it has very little to do with being a eurosnob. you, shouldn't use the word idiot so much Don't deflect. Edited by TheSelectFew: 11/3/2016 11:52:10 AM
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TheSelectFew wrote:adrtho wrote:Benjamin wrote:southmelb wrote:Promotion/relegation is not just a European thing, thousands of supporters in this country live it week in week out. Plus just about all of South America, Africa, Asia... Only North America and Australia appear to operate completely without promotion/relegation from the top division. But those against keep on repeating the Eurosnob wet dream routine, because it's easier than actually discussing the issues. because that what is is for 95% of you on here...a Eurosnob wet dream again, the only 2 non P/R league are A-league and MLS.....and both those league have a long term tend that is up Wtf is a long term tend. If anything you sounds pro pro/rel. Idiot. :lol: >only eurosnobs want p/r >mls and a league are the only leagues in the world without it So its not just a eurosnob thing and in fact it has very little to do with being a eurosnob. you, shouldn't use the word idiot so much
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adrtho wrote:Benjamin wrote:southmelb wrote:Promotion/relegation is not just a European thing, thousands of supporters in this country live it week in week out. Plus just about all of South America, Africa, Asia... Only North America and Australia appear to operate completely without promotion/relegation from the top division. But those against keep on repeating the Eurosnob wet dream routine, because it's easier than actually discussing the issues. because that what is is for 95% of you on here...a Eurosnob wet dream again, the only 2 non P/R league are A-league and MLS.....and both those league have a long term tend that is up Wtf is a long term tend. If anything you sounds pro pro/rel. Idiot. :lol: >only eurosnobs want p/r >mls and a league are the only leagues in the world without it So its not just a eurosnob thing and in fact it has very little to do with being a eurosnob.
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Benjamin wrote:southmelb wrote:Promotion/relegation is not just a European thing, thousands of supporters in this country live it week in week out. Plus just about all of South America, Africa, Asia... Only North America and Australia appear to operate completely without promotion/relegation from the top division. But those against keep on repeating the Eurosnob wet dream routine, because it's easier than actually discussing the issues. because that what is is for 95% of you on here...a Eurosnob wet dream again, the only 2 non P/R league are A-league and MLS.....and both those league have a long term tend that is up
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adrtho wrote:southmelb wrote:adrtho wrote:southmelb wrote:The thing that annoys me most is when people who oppose it put it down as some sort of European wet dream, the reality is those who follow an npl club follow this format, on Monday night I'm watching south Melbourne travel to newly promoted bulleen, they will kick, scratch, park the bus and do whatever possible to take points off us..why? Because they want to remain in the division and avoid relegation, this is football, real football, if people actually step outside the A league bubble they would realise this concept is part of what we follow year in year out, hell we almost got relegated in 2008. Promotion/relegation is not just a European thing, thousands of supporters in this country live it week in week out. just because you follow a team. doesn't mean you have a right to follow it in the A-league ,,,Australian football, the A-league can not afford having a teams like Dordrecht (eredivisie) make the A-league, we can not afford the risk of having the wrong teams from he wrong city make the A-league ...FFA can just not take the risk NPL teams, state local teams, do not have a fucking right to play in A-league when Dordrecht played in eredivisie last season, it's highest paid players was on €2000 euros a month, and they had home crowds of 3500 people....no wonder there no player in eredivisie being paid more then €1m a year now... Edited by adrtho: 11/3/2016 08:58:03 AM What you have posted has nothing to do with my promotion/relegation comment, where my point was that for a lot of us it's not just a foreign concept on the other side of the world, some of us grew up having it as kids in the NSL up until the mid 90s and we still have it today in the npl, for us it's reality not a eurosnobs wet dream, that's my point. As for who belongs in what league, I've always believed on field results should dictate what division a team plays in, by the same token the ffa really had no right to boot my team out when they finished the last NSL season as semi finalists...we have just as right to be there as the Mariners...who in the real world would be preparing for local football next year. If Dordrecht are good enough to make the eredivisie then good luck to them, they earnt it, they couldn't cut it once in and they went down, again tough luck, point is they have their destiny in their own hands, that's exactly where every football club wants to be. when i grew up as a kid, to give the son a bit of a beating when he did wrong was part being a good father , it not today ...just because something happen when you was a kid, and you have fond memories, doesn't mean it the best way today your team doesn't have any right, this is a mistake you and other like you are making ...you team has no right to ever play in the A-league the A-league was set up, to make sure the right teams (image) was played in the right city (money), with the right people involved the old way failed in Australia, just as it is now failing in most European countries :lol:
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