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that hurts but kudos to them...... and here we are, in quick sand and indenial.
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+xthat hurts but kudos to them...... and here we are, in quick sand and indenial. They are so brave... don't they realise that if a club from Busan or Daegu is relegated out of the first division then all football will stop in South Korea for ever????
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1 down 5 games left 2 out of 9 to join 'em 
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4 games left, Swansea breathing easy 8 still in the mix  
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3 games left Millwall almost certainly safe 7 still in it 
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2 left, yet still 7 contenders 
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Perth Glory sister club Catania FC in an interesting dogfight that sees them both fighting for both promotion and relegation from Italy's Serie C tomorrow morning. - Qualification for the following season's full Coppa Italia AND
- Qualification to the third round of Serie C's Promotion Playoffs provided that the team doesn't meet any of the four criteria below:
- are already promoted to Serie B via finishing in the top of the league;
- have already qualified for the third round or the quarterfinals via finishing in the 3rd or the 2nd position respectively;
- have qualified for the relegation play-outs;
- are relegated to Serie D;
The way promotion works for Serie C is quite complicated. Serie C is split into 3 regional leagues - North, Central, and South (with Catania in the Southern league), with promotion only guaranteed for the winners of each league, and the winner of the Promotion Playoffs conducted across all 3 leagues, which 2nd-10th in each league (11th of the league that the Coppa winner comes from in the event they don't actually take the extra spot) all qualify for: FIRST ROUND - held over a single leg at Team 1's home ground, with Team 1 advancing in the result of a draw   SECOND ROUND - held over a single leg at Team 1's home ground, with Team 1 advancing in the result of a draw  THIRD ROUND and onwards - held over two legs from here on out, however up until the semi-finals, the seeded team (Team 1) qualifies in the result of an aggregate draw. Penalties + ET for the semis and playoff final   So, the reason why Catania find themselves fighting both for promotion, and against relegation, is they are currently sitting in 15th place (with relegation playoffs held between teams finishing 16th-19th of each league). So if they make themselves safe, they qualify for promotion playoffs. If they don't, then they take part in the relegation play-offs which are structured as below:  I think there's a rule in there that has rendered most of this post moot: "If the two teams involved in a tie are separated by more than 8 points, the matches are not played and the worst placed team is automatically relegated." I'll touch on that later when I go through the matches that are involved in this for Catania below. Here is the ladder before the final game:  Serie C has done an APL and used 'head to head points' as a tiebreaker rather than overall goal difference (which is better than just using overall wins), so on that note: Turris and Monopoli are both equal on head to head points with Catania, however Potenza is ahead of Catania, and Catania ahead of Messina. Below are the matches that I can see may have a bearing on all of this: Catania (15) v Benevento (3) Monopoli (17) v Messina (13) Monterosi (19th) v Foggia (11) Brindisi (20) v Turris (16) Potenza (14) v Virtus Francavilla (18) - Catania defeats Benevento = Safety and Promotion Playoffs
- Catania draws with Benevento = Safety IF
- Brindisi defeats or draws with Turris OR
- Virtus Francavilla defeats Potenza
- Catania loses to Benevento = Safety IF
- Brindisi defeats or draws with Turris OR
- Monopoli fails to defeat Messina and turn around the 11 goal difference (as tied on head to head points with two draws) AND Monterosi fails to defeat Foggia
From looking at this, I'm actually pretty certain safety is guaranteed due to that '8 point rule' because I don't think Catania can finish below 16th (unless both permutations under Catania losing in the morning take place), which means the relegation play off will be against Monterosi (currently 10 points behind).
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Leeds has royally fucked it. They're now very likely to go into the playoffs where they'll come up against Southampton who kicked our arses this year.
Talk about an epic choke after 3 months undefeated.
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+xLeeds has royally fucked it. They're now very likely to go into the playoffs where they'll come up against Southampton who kicked our arses this year. Talk about an epic choke after 3 months undefeated. Yeah something of a self suffocation that. They looked to be cruising and had guranteed high number of goals but for the last couple of games. Leicester looked in trouble but a few wins there and now they're up. The last few weeks in numerous Leagues have become just like WC qualification. Watch Ipswich slip now....
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Half time over in Sicily
Catania score off a corner in added time to go 1-0 up. Very frustrating like a Socceroos game against minnows (despite the opposition being 3rd placed) tbh - most of the game camped in the oppositions half with a few half chances, but the best opportunity (that wasn’t the goal) fell to Benevento
Half time scores for relevant games:
Catania 1-0 Benevento
Monopoli 1-0 Messina
Brindisi 0-2 Turris
Potenza 0-0 Virtus Francavilla
Monterosi 0-0 Foggia
This puts Catania up to 13th and relegation playoffs to be between:
Potenza v Monterosi (Monterosi auto relegated due to 10 points behind Potenza)
Monopoli v Virtus Francavilla (Will go ahead as the most these can finish apart is by 7 points - which is where the live table is at now)
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+xHalf time over in Sicily Catania score off a corner in added time to go 1-0 up. Very frustrating like a Socceroos game against minnows (despite the opposition being 3rd placed) tbh - most of the game camped in the oppositions half with a few half chances, but the best opportunity (that wasn’t the goal) fell to Benevento Half time scores for relevant games: Catania 1-0 Benevento Monopoli 1-0 Messina Brindisi 0-2 Turris Potenza 0-0 Virtus Francavilla Monterosi 0-0 Foggia This puts Catania up to 13th and relegation playoffs to be between: Potenza v Monterosi (Monterosi auto relegated due to 10 points behind Potenza) Monopoli v Virtus Francavilla (Will go ahead as the most these can finish apart is by 7 points - which is where the live table is at now) Catania hold on for the 3 points and stay in the race for promotion. Relegation playoffs will be between Potenza and Monterosi (Monterosi defeated Foggia, so that got them within the 8 points), and Monopoli and Francavilla. Catania's playoff games will be held May 11th and 14th (seeded teams normally get the home second leg, I think?) where they are essentially in the final 10 teams of the playoffs, despite finishing 13th in their regional league.
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+x+xEverton finishing 5th last  Everton finishing 4th Last  Everton definitely not finishing third last 
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+x2 left, yet still 7 contenders Stoke & QPR get safe Huddersfield down Squeaky-bum-time for the other 4 
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+xlukerobinho wrote:Over my dead body Do you guarantee it? Lol promotion and relegation will save this whole sport in Oz apparently lol
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+x+x+x+x+x+xSqueaky Bum Sunday  All at home  Leeds have to win and hope Leicester don't and Everton lose (or win by 3 with Everton draw) Leicester have to win and hope Everton don't win Everton only sure hope is if they win And Spurs hoping Villa stumble, so they can squeak in to the Conference league at least otherwise no Europe next year.... Squeaky Bum Sunday never fails to deliver.... If Chelski does the miraculous tomorrow morning there will be even more drama up the top end of the table..... EPL is brutal. Spurs dont want the Conference league, they rather focus on the PL and not worry about a third tier european cup where they might play an extra 8-10 matches throughout the year. Maybe the fans mate, but the club could use the financial boost?? I'd think any club outside a big 5 league would want to avoid it . I think you may have ,meant the other way around? Clubs in smaller leagues love the money they can earn from Conference league..... 500k to a Maltese or Estonian club is big bikkies. And you wonder why I love football manager
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis make me sooooo jealous of the Japanese football fans  A lot of people suggested using the J League’s experience as a template prior to the A League being set up but Uncle Frank did it his way. Its just so frustrating that the chance for a quick cash grab overrode a salvageable competition... The Japanese saw what they had and worked with it to develop something better. We got lumped with crisis profiteering and revenge ... Oh well lets hope JJs new new dawn and eleven principles bear some fruit..... The Lowy's had a 50 year association with football in this country. Of these FIFTY YEARS, Frank was Chairmain of the FFA for 10 years, and his son for another 3 or so years. Under their watch, the A-League received $666 million dollars worth in broadcast deals, and hundreds of millions more in sponsorships and ticket sales. The salvageable competition? Here's a nice summary of how things stood: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/nsl-to-return-to-tv-screens-as-clubs-finally-agree-on-new-deal-20021015-gdfq4s.html Yeah thats great Enzo Im sure the APL and the Lowys before them have profited handsomely on their investment.. Sorry i missed the part in the Japanese Football's review of the last 30 years where they speak about revenue, ticket sales and sponsorship? All I read from their statement is pride in having Japanese national footballers playing in good overseas leagues, a national team that is respected on the world stage and a thriving football pyramid providing aspirational and inspirational football to all clubs and communities in the country. J - league started, 30 years ago with existing basket case clubs, mainly owned by conglomerates or local prefectures and have, in 30 years, developed a football system that has helped them develop into, what I would regard, a serious football nation. Despite football NOT being the most popular sport, despite Japanese players NOT being considered as physically gifted as those from Sth America and Europe and despite not having vast amounts of revenue OR huge storied clubs... We are talking about two different outcomes and I suspect we always will be. Some want MLS lite, others see J-League and sigh and wonder "what if"? Its not great mate, its absolutely astonishing that under the Lowys management the professional game brought in circa $1 billion dollars over 15 years from being utterly broke. J-league clubs are sponsored by some of the biggest global brands, so much money flows in that until recently their best players never felt the need to go overseas. The J-league has a revenue of $1.3 billion AUD. and look where we are after the messiah's round up of a billion$'s over 15yrs, like looking at the approah of a cyclone on the weather radar till after it disapates to calm and wondering wtf. The Lowys quit 5 years ago mate. WTF indeed. quit??? heheh whatever mate, the APL are no different in their mentality to the Lowy Ponzi scheme... Different head, same fishy smell :) Truth is that the ONLY obstacle to Australia having a successful football pyramid is the insistence of the *cough *cough "professional" clubs to be financially protected and rewarded for the stupidity and ignorance of "mainstream" consumers. We CAN have it tomorrow. Yes many clubs will go to the wall, yes many clubs will struggle to get 10 fans and a dog to their games, yes the financial "reward" from sponsors and broadcaster may not be there but it CAN happen... and it WILL provide benefits to our performance both locally and internationally. If nothing else, the struggles of 99% of football leagues all around the world proves the concept. Strong clubs prosper, weaker clubs are punished, ambitious clubs have a reason to be ambitious. From Milan, to London to Timbuktu and Tokyo. There are clubs that survive on the smell of an oily rag but still persist because that wonderful concept of sporting merit drives them to seek glory.... If we fail in getting this NST up and running soon I think we have done our dash as a football nation.... The age old "fight" is between making money and having a good environment for football to develop.... I 100% understand why "investors" would want the former but cant really understand why many so called football fans wouldn't want the later? So many dumb people on here. You are not gonna have 10 billionaires pissing money on A-league mens clubs for the sake of it or for "passion" Having Clive Palmer Own gold coast United proves having a billionaire running an A-league club doesn't guarantee anything. You are not gonna have a random rich person pump 10 million a year to western United if they are getting 2,000 people at home games.
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+x+x+x+x+xThis make me sooooo jealous of the Japanese football fans A lot of people suggested using the J League’s experience as a template prior to the A League being set up but Uncle Frank did it his way. Its just so frustrating that the chance for a quick cash grab overrode a salvageable competition... The Japanese saw what they had and worked with it to develop something better. We got lumped with crisis profiteering and revenge ... Oh well lets hope JJs new new dawn and eleven principles bear some fruit..... The Lowy's had a 50 year association with football in this country. Of these FIFTY YEARS, Frank was Chairmain of the FFA for 10 years, and his son for another 3 or so years. Under their watch, the A-League received $666 million dollars worth in broadcast deals, and hundreds of millions more in sponsorships and ticket sales. The salvageable competition? Here's a nice summary of how things stood: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/nsl-to-return-to-tv-screens-as-clubs-finally-agree-on-new-deal-20021015-gdfq4s.html Yeah thats great Enzo Im sure the APL and the Lowys before them have profited handsomely on their investment.. Sorry i missed the part in the Japanese Football's review of the last 30 years where they speak about revenue, ticket sales and sponsorship? All I read from their statement is pride in having Japanese national footballers playing in good overseas leagues, a national team that is respected on the world stage and a thriving football pyramid providing aspirational and inspirational football to all clubs and communities in the country. J - league started, 30 years ago with existing basket case clubs, mainly owned by conglomerates or local prefectures and have, in 30 years, developed a football system that has helped them develop into, what I would regard, a serious football nation. Despite football NOT being the most popular sport, despite Japanese players NOT being considered as physically gifted as those from Sth America and Europe and despite not having vast amounts of revenue OR huge storied clubs... We are talking about two different outcomes and I suspect we always will be. Some want MLS lite, others see J-League and sigh and wonder "what if"? Who cares??!!!! We had it easy back 2013-7 when there were 10 teams and 40 million a year in tv rights was brought in , not to mention a Friday night game on SBS. I miss those days.... But yeah you lot think that rich people sinking money in unprofitable clubs is the way to go. LoL. But it's all the AFL and NRL and UFC fault lol
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+x+x2 left, yet still 7 contenders Stoke & QPR get safe Huddersfield down Squeaky-bum-time for the other 4 Blackburn only need a point but they are away to Leicester, celebrating the Title and aiming for 100 points Sheffield also only need a point but are away to Sunderland Plymouth & Birmingham both at Home
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+x+x+x2 left, yet still 7 contenders Stoke & QPR get safe Huddersfield down Squeaky-bum-time for the other 4 Blackburn only need a point but they are away to Leicester, celebrating the Title and aiming for 100 points Sheffield also only need a point but are away to Sunderland Plymouth & Birmingham both at Home Has the EFL considered what may happen to English football's geographic spread if Plymouth get relegated? What the hell is gojng to happen to football in Devon? Sheeesh these people just dont get it....
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+x+x+x+x2 left, yet still 7 contenders Stoke & QPR get safe Huddersfield down Squeaky-bum-time for the other 4 Blackburn only need a point but they are away to Leicester, celebrating the Title and aiming for 100 points Sheffield also only need a point but are away to Sunderland Plymouth & Birmingham both at Home Has the EFL considered what may happen to English football's geographic spread if Plymouth get relegated? What the hell is gojng to happen to football in Devon? Sheeesh these people just dont get it.... Torquay just gone into Administration as well, it's the end of the World
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+x+x2 left, yet still 7 contenders Stoke & QPR get safe Huddersfield down Squeaky-bum-time for the other 4 Ipswich finished league 1 behind title winners Plymouth last year. One of them sure af kicked on...
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+x+x+x2 left, yet still 7 contenders Stoke & QPR get safe Huddersfield down Squeaky-bum-time for the other 4 Ipswich finished league 1 behind title winners Plymouth last year. One of them sure af kicked on... Looks like Plymouth just had a great run and have since concentrated on paying off Loans and Mortgages Ipswich though have rolled the dice, should've won League 1 easily,  but it looks like it's paying off Lost 34 million quid in the previous 2 years, but have now sold 40% for 105 million  Will be interesting what they do if they don't go up this year
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well as we know Ipswich have made it back to the top flight after 22yrs so thats corrected the $$$ ledger. I'm amazed what a storey gaining promo twice thats no mean feat. It is estimated that promotion from the Championship to the Premier League is worth around $210 million to each club over a three-season period. A couple of my footballing team mates are ex local Leeds and Saints devotees, gonna be on like mad come the play offs. Here's another good lower league storey for youse - luv this stuff. Cittadella, The Tiny Italian Soccer Team That Unsettled Thierry Henry (forbes.com)
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+x+x+x2 left, yet still 7 contenders Stoke & QPR get safe Huddersfield down Squeaky-bum-time for the other 4 Blackburn only need a point but they are away to Leicester, celebrating the Title and aiming for 100 points Sheffield also only need a point but are away to Sunderland Plymouth & Birmingham both at Home Birmingham won their game which meant they just needed one of the other 3 to lose Unfortunately everyone else won as well Note Sheffield taking 14 points from the last 6 games to escape   
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+xwell as we know Ipswich have made it back to the top flight after 22yrs so thats corrected the $$$ ledger. I'm amazed what a storey gaining promo twice thats no mean feat. It is estimated that promotion from the Championship to the Premier League is worth around $210 million to each club over a three-season period. A couple of my footballing team mates are ex local Leeds and Saints devotees, gonna be on like mad come the play offs. Here's another good lower league storey for youse - luv this stuff. Cittadella, The Tiny Italian Soccer Team That Unsettled Thierry Henry (forbes.com) At the end of EVERY football season we are flooded by feel good "little club gets promotion after X years" stories from overseas.... pffft it will NEVER happen here while the cartel still exists..... have patience.
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+x+xwell as we know Ipswich have made it back to the top flight after 22yrs so thats corrected the $$$ ledger. I'm amazed what a storey gaining promo twice thats no mean feat. It is estimated that promotion from the Championship to the Premier League is worth around $210 million to each club over a three-season period. A couple of my footballing team mates are ex local Leeds and Saints devotees, gonna be on like mad come the play offs. Here's another good lower league storey for youse - luv this stuff. Cittadella, The Tiny Italian Soccer Team That Unsettled Thierry Henry (forbes.com) At the end of EVERY football season we are flooded by feel good "little club gets promotion after X years" stories from overseas.... pffft it will NEVER happen here while the cartel still exists..... have patience. yep, I'd luv to pack up and leave these shores if it wasn't for the kids. I know my wife would happily move as well but grankids will run our lives, patience yer, I really can't see it for a long time.
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+x+x+xwell as we know Ipswich have made it back to the top flight after 22yrs so thats corrected the $$$ ledger. I'm amazed what a storey gaining promo twice thats no mean feat. It is estimated that promotion from the Championship to the Premier League is worth around $210 million to each club over a three-season period. A couple of my footballing team mates are ex local Leeds and Saints devotees, gonna be on like mad come the play offs. Here's another good lower league storey for youse - luv this stuff. Cittadella, The Tiny Italian Soccer Team That Unsettled Thierry Henry (forbes.com) At the end of EVERY football season we are flooded by feel good "little club gets promotion after X years" stories from overseas.... pffft it will NEVER happen here while the cartel still exists..... have patience. yep, I'd luv to pack up and leave these shores if it wasn't for the kids. I know my wife would happily move as well but grankids will run our lives, patience yer, I really can't see it for a long time. I know exactly what you mean.... our kids are still high school but the plan is 6 months here 6 months there ...
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+x+x+xwell as we know Ipswich have made it back to the top flight after 22yrs so thats corrected the $$$ ledger. I'm amazed what a storey gaining promo twice thats no mean feat. It is estimated that promotion from the Championship to the Premier League is worth around $210 million to each club over a three-season period. A couple of my footballing team mates are ex local Leeds and Saints devotees, gonna be on like mad come the play offs. Here's another good lower league storey for youse - luv this stuff. Cittadella, The Tiny Italian Soccer Team That Unsettled Thierry Henry (forbes.com) At the end of EVERY football season we are flooded by feel good "little club gets promotion after X years" stories from overseas.... pffft it will NEVER happen here while the cartel still exists..... have patience. yep, I'd luv to pack up and leave these shores if it wasn't for the kids. I know my wife would happily move as well but grankids will run our lives, patience yer, I really can't see it for a long time. Why would you want to leave these shores? Have you been to Europe lately, so many people.
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