not anymore

PSV will get good money this year because they done well in UEFA champion league...if team like PSV and Ajex have good Champ league, it can 20m to 30m more revenue




Edited by adrtho: 13/3/2016 09:07:33 AM

The fact is most Dutch clubs revenues exceed HAL revenue by significant margins

Simply forcing them to read these threads every week should be sufficient punishment.

the fact is, most Dutch clubs revenues doesn't exceed HAL revenue any more ...there 18 clubs in

Dutch Eredivisie sponsorship revenue by club (€m)
Ajex €14.3
PSV Eindhoven €10.8
Feyenoord €6.3
Heerenveen €3.38
AZ €3.31
Groningen €2.33
Twente €2.13
Vitesse €2.07
ADO Den Haag €1.77
NAC Breda €1.62
Heracles €1.60
Cambuur €1.59
Utrecht €1.50
PEC Zwolle €1.02
Willem II €1.00
Go Ahead Eagles €0.97
Dordrecht €0.75
Excelsior €0.71

http://www.imrpublications.com/Free-Samples.aspx?sid=43&rid=2

TV money distribution eredivisie 2014-15
Ajex €8.67
PSV Eindhoven €7.8
Feyenoord €6.6
Heerenveen €4.65
AZ €5.36
Groningen €3.93
Twente €6.93
Vitesse €2.71
ADO Den Haag €
NAC Breda €2.47
Heracles €2.31
Cambuur €1.74
Utrecht €3.24
PEC Zwolle €2.01
Willem II €1.87
Go Ahead Eagles €2.55
Dordrecht €1.64
Excelsior €1.67

total €64,500,000 distributed from TV money 2014-15

http://www.afc-ajax.info/en/television-revenue/2014-15

i see a total of €3m form sponsorship and TV for a club like PEC Zwolle

web site with some of Dutch clubs budget in 2015-16 (not sire how right it is)
http://eredivisie-programma.com/teams.php

Excelsior €5m budget :shock:


Edited by adrtho: 13/3/2016 10:27:35 AM

Edited by adrtho: 13/3/2016 10:46:31 AM

He makes good points here

Drop in a few youth teams or bigger a-league clubs who can afford a b-team like barcelona and real in spain. And you have a pretty competitive 2nd league

You know our football is behind when the 15th best football nation (last ranking) is trying to improve their football leagues more so than we are.

But i just want clarification. Do holland only have the two leagues? What happens if you are bottom of the second teir league. Do you stay in that league?

Edited by bitza: 13/3/2016 03:54:55 PM

why do more people follow NRL than Super league given that is your fucking wet dream of a league

The like saying we know we're in trouble because Saudi Arabia is trying to improve its human rights record.

Because the NRL has a much longer history. Not only that but you don't see many players leaving Australia to join the super league

The NRL largely controls all its players and fans. When the super league starts to have the same impact on the NRL fans and players, then you'll see an impact

Until then the NRL has nothing to worry about

More history? The Super League has as much history, if you want to go back to the RFL's origins. Saying the Super League has no history, is like saying that the Asian Cup had no history before 2007 because Australia didn't compete. It's just that Super League in England has to compete with a stronger football league in the Premier League, in a reverse effect to the A-League and the NRL.

Yeah I really don't understand GDeathe's argument there. I've followed Leeds Rhinos for longer than Sydney FC have existed.. and they were founded 37 years before (in 1870) rugby league was even established in Australia

It started in 1996. Not only that but it was forced to switch to summer and the average attendances in 2014 were less than 9,000

It may have a rich history in terms of teams that play in it but not an impact here

The NRL is a first choice of code here for half of the country. It also has more teams and most of our players. Why would people in Australia give up watching the NRL to watch the super league?


If anything the super league proves that a second choice code can have P/R

The NRL started in 1998 then, using that theory.

But I can agree with you on that last point.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyleague/11426316/Super-League-is-becoming-a-feeder-competition-for-the-NRL-warns-Keiron-Cunningham.html

And in that sense, the A-League is a feeder competition for many others. Doesn't mean anything about the history. Granted, Rugby League's history within Australia is much more ingrained than it is over in England. But then the same can be said for Football over there. If that's what you're trying to say, than I whole heartedly agree.

Reminds me of a hypothetical someone wrote on The Roar a few years back of if Football was brought here in the 1700's..

The adoption of NRL and AFL models for Football is a key problem.

We have attempted to copy these models so that the Australian sporting market can more easily recognize the competition type. This so our sport can compete for market share in the sporting landscapes.

We have forsaken Football Culture for Australian Sporting Culture.
Even to the extent that we have adopted a cricket/netball structural model to development structures in the NPL and Zones. The seperation of Elite football from Community football in a user pays system is not a football culture.

The preoccupation with replicating 'genuine football culture' is one that comes from fans.

Fans who, funnily enough, don't have to bear the cost.

If you feel some sort of 'cringe' that we're not 'genuine' enough, that's something you'll just have to deal with. Pragmatically, you'll just have to accept that we're not Europe in terms of fan support, team facilities, and most importantly of all, money.

Yup the fact that Euopean players earn more that what it cost to run a club here and that we are 4th of all the football codes downtown don't count either. No to mention there is not football culture here, one half is ALF a the other Rugby

Funny how people like yourselves demand us to be like Europe conviently forget these

And it's them I blame for shackling the game as much as the FFA thanks to their ignorance - considering we have 26mil population I'd say stuff them - not worth the energy and concentrate on getting New fans to football.

Fxxxxin Eurosnobs - had enough of the ignorant fools 😡😡😡😡😡😡

Edited by UnitedGal: 14/3/2016 10:40:17 AM

and whats wrong with that???...sport trying to make football the way Europe does it

South American have spit season...they have 2 champions each year , is this football Culture?
Japan gone from European way to South American way, but add extra final play-off for Champion , is this football Culture
Scotland and Belgium add a champion rounds, where the top part of table teams play each other and bottom half of table play each other , is this Football Culture?

It look, anything that different in Europe or South American is Football Culture, but if it from Australia it's not

I want the game to reach its full potential. Football reaches many people and bridges divides. Ive been going to many local grounds and met many in the community who want to be back up in the top. I think they should be given the oppurtunity.

Me too, and I'm hopeful we'll get to a point where a sustainable P/R system can develop in my lifetime.

However, at the moment, those of us who actually 'follow' a non A-League team tribally, (to the point where our interest actually generates sufficient interest and advertising tv dollars to bridge the professional/amateur gulf), are an incredibly small niche in a very big country.

I'd like to say that the fact we are the fourth (third?) ball code isn't a factor in this discussion, but it simply isn't true at the moment.

$17m a year - 10 teams, 27 rounds and finals
$40m a year - 10 teams, 27 rounds and finals
$80m a year - 10 teams, 27 rounds and finals

Australia's size, population, proximity to Europe or interest in the game compared to other codes has no impact on whether or not we can successfully deliver a P/R model


If you have a league that can demand $80m a year, which even ardtho (with his limited intellect) has identified puts us in a good position compared to other countries, then how the hell can you not introduce a low cost second tier?


None of the factors that are supposed to be hurting our code have stopped us from negotiating a TV deal. Whether or not we have P/R simply comes down to how we allocate the funds

And before anybody says we need to keep pouring money into our current structure until every team is making a profit - the other leagues have over 10 times the amount of money than us and their teams aren't making a profit either. Some of you really need to put away your "hamburger stand 101 books" and get into the real world

:lol:

with my limited intellect, i can see their will be no P/R in next 10 years ...but please show us how smart you are, by talking about P/R for the next 10 years

I start of by prefacing that Promotion and Relegation in Australia is a long way off, mainly due to the sustainability of the league and the clubs currently in the top flight.

However i am an advocate for P/R and would love to see it happen,but i don't see it happening for another 10 to 15 years or 3 TV deals later.

With that been said what the FFA need to understand is at minimum a second division has to be implemented.(Even if it is done in stages of inviting tenders from clubs within the next year,preferably to be up and running within the next 2-4 years )

1) you have the ability to establish clubs in regions that down the track an a league expansion will come from.( Townsville,second Adelaide,second Brisbane, etc.)

2) More investment will go into football, clubs in the NPL system will strive to get into a second tier and that is where you will see a large growth will come from.(Better coaches,Better facilities,Overall better run clubs in an effort to be granted a birth in the second tier)

3) Production of players will improve, at the moment due to limited spots and competition been high,Players are been losts due to the system. unfortunately some players are not at the a league level at the moment but the potential is certainly there, in which a second division will be perfect for.( if a second tier was to be established i would love a rule where 50% of players must be under the age of 25,out of 25 contracted players.)

4) Through such a system it would be a lot easier for promotion and relegation to be implemented in 10-15 years(which will be plenty of years for aleague clubs to get a strong foothold).

5) Such a league may be of interest to those currently football mad but choose to not have any connection to the a league.

The Benefits of such a league will be vast and improvement will be seen quite quickly i think.Furthermore to run such a league will not be that expensive, i have seen previous posts quoting roughly 10-15mil per year for a ten team league which is quite reasonble i think,especially if we could get an additional TV Right portion exclusively from fox to televise 2 games a week and also SBS to host one game a week which SBS will be keen for to continue their involvement in football in conjunction with the world game.(preferablly i would like to see a one deal made with fox in conjuction with either 7,9,10, and a separate deal for tier 2 with fox and sbs ).

Lastly the Biggest thing that i want to be changed is the way the TV money is disturbed,all football clubs are not the same, some are big clubs such MV,WSW,SFC,perhaps BR(titles) and others just survive year in year out.The TV rights should be disriputed in a manner representing the status of clubs( fans,sponsorship etc).It is then the clubs responsibility to run within the status of club, you may then see more clubs in the a league been a lot more financially sustainable.

This sort of method should be initiated in the second tier,2clubs at 2.5mil,5clubs at 1.5 and 3 at 0.833mil and eventually should also be implemented to the top tier.

I'm hoping the re-branding of the league could mean something like this is implemented.I guess it is a matter of waiting and seeing how it is all handled.

=d> =d>

tellin it like it is...

im starting to think tardtho is donald trump. he knows the best words.

Edited by inala brah: 14/3/2016 01:45:53 PM

Well said.

Dont bother with tardtho. He is an idiot.

:lol:

but you're forgetting one little thing....I don't run the game, FFA runs the game, and they have said there no place for P/R

so, if you guys want to keep talking about P/R for the next 10 years, just like the Muppet from 2008, go ahead

they dont "say" it at the top - there are reasons...

Thats how we got the cup. Many claimed it would never happen, that it was too expensive, starya was too big blah blah fucking blah.

Now its here and the success of it make haters cry.

Edited by TheSelectFew: 14/3/2016 03:02:49 PM