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bohemia wrote:Nachoman wrote:Correct
Liberal party approved the funding for the stadium ( project was mis-managed... initially was going to be 22k capacity and costs varied significantly, 20 million to 40 million )
The white elephant terminology was created by the state ALP... ( just dont mention to them the national wine centre, that too is white elephant )
Edited by nachoman: 10/4/2016 05:28:46 PM
Edited by nachoman: 10/4/2016 05:29:00 PM The entertainment centre next door was also labelled a white elephant. Adelaide loves the shit. I think the redevelopment cost for Hindmarsh came in at 27 million eventually. It also did hit a 20k capacity with the use of temporary seats (which I think is the same seats they roll out for the grandprix/clipsal). This in itself proves there is room to fit additional capacity at the ground, but the kicker is it can only be built in specific areas which may not match the market in terms of what type of tickets are in demand. Original plans for Hindmarsh had the Eastern Stand being built right up but following the shape of the lot. It basically made the stadium shaped like a paper aeroplane. The way Hindmarsh was upgraded was a disgrace, now we are stuck with it 😡
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bohemia wrote:Aikhme wrote:
It would be great though to have an Adelaide Derby. The City and West Adelaide glory days were something else.
I grew up on those derbies as a kid. If I get lung cancer later in my days I know who to blame. Great fun though. :lol:
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bohemia wrote:Nachoman wrote:Correct
Liberal party approved the funding for the stadium ( project was mis-managed... initially was going to be 22k capacity and costs varied significantly, 20 million to 40 million )
The white elephant terminology was created by the state ALP... ( just dont mention to them the national wine centre, that too is white elephant )
Edited by nachoman: 10/4/2016 05:28:46 PM
Edited by nachoman: 10/4/2016 05:29:00 PM The entertainment centre next door was also labelled a white elephant. Adelaide loves the shit. I think the redevelopment cost for Hindmarsh came in at 27 million eventually. It also did hit a 20k capacity with the use of temporary seats (which I think is the same seats they roll out for the grandprix/clipsal). This in itself proves there is room to fit additional capacity at the ground, but the kicker is it can only be built in specific areas which may not match the market in terms of what type of tickets are in demand. Original plans for Hindmarsh had the Eastern Stand being built right up but following the shape of the lot. It basically made the stadium shaped like a paper aeroplane. No one ever dumps on the AFL or cricket in Adelaide. Everything else they do. it's like adelaideans hate progress.
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UnitedGal wrote:bohemia wrote:Nachoman wrote:Correct
Liberal party approved the funding for the stadium ( project was mis-managed... initially was going to be 22k capacity and costs varied significantly, 20 million to 40 million )
The white elephant terminology was created by the state ALP... ( just dont mention to them the national wine centre, that too is white elephant )
Edited by nachoman: 10/4/2016 05:28:46 PM
Edited by nachoman: 10/4/2016 05:29:00 PM The entertainment centre next door was also labelled a white elephant. Adelaide loves the shit. I think the redevelopment cost for Hindmarsh came in at 27 million eventually. It also did hit a 20k capacity with the use of temporary seats (which I think is the same seats they roll out for the grandprix/clipsal). This in itself proves there is room to fit additional capacity at the ground, but the kicker is it can only be built in specific areas which may not match the market in terms of what type of tickets are in demand. Original plans for Hindmarsh had the Eastern Stand being built right up but following the shape of the lot. It basically made the stadium shaped like a paper aeroplane. The way Hindmarsh was upgraded was a disgrace, now we are stuck with it 😡 wtf? The redevelopment was great. The stadium has served us very well.
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Once we start getting 90-95% capacity crowds more often than not, then we can start talking about upgrades. Pretty sure several people have said it's literally impossible as there's simply not enough space.
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salmonfc wrote:Once we start getting 90-95% capacity crowds more often than not, then we can start talking about upgrades.
Pretty sure several people have said it's literally impossible as there's simply not enough space. Well they're fucking outright wrong then, the ground was 20k capacity in the Olympics.
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salmonfc wrote:Once we start getting 90-95% capacity crowds more often than not, then we can start talking about upgrades.
Pretty sure several people have said it's literally impossible as there's simply not enough space. Were the Crows and Power getting 90% at West Lakes? There is plenty of space at Hindmarsh and there were even drawings for a 25k stadium one time which proves it to be possible. Even the original upgrade which was mishandled with temporary stands had a 22k capacity.
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bohemia wrote:UnitedGal wrote:bohemia wrote:Nachoman wrote:Correct
Liberal party approved the funding for the stadium ( project was mis-managed... initially was going to be 22k capacity and costs varied significantly, 20 million to 40 million )
The white elephant terminology was created by the state ALP... ( just dont mention to them the national wine centre, that too is white elephant )
Edited by nachoman: 10/4/2016 05:28:46 PM
Edited by nachoman: 10/4/2016 05:29:00 PM The entertainment centre next door was also labelled a white elephant. Adelaide loves the shit. I think the redevelopment cost for Hindmarsh came in at 27 million eventually. It also did hit a 20k capacity with the use of temporary seats (which I think is the same seats they roll out for the grandprix/clipsal). This in itself proves there is room to fit additional capacity at the ground, but the kicker is it can only be built in specific areas which may not match the market in terms of what type of tickets are in demand. Original plans for Hindmarsh had the Eastern Stand being built right up but following the shape of the lot. It basically made the stadium shaped like a paper aeroplane. The way Hindmarsh was upgraded was a disgrace, now we are stuck with it 😡 wtf? The redevelopment was great. The stadium has served us very well. They could have done better though. Instead of the temporary stands, they could have filled some of the corners and had more cover.
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agga78 wrote:If you build it, people will come! Seems to be the logic behind upgrading parramatta. Adelaide fill there ground more often than the Wanderers ever have.
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As long as any upgrade doesn't compromise it's suitability for football by shifting the stands behind the goals to accommodate the odd rugby game.
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flat_eric wrote:As long as any upgrade doesn't compromise it's suitability for football by shifting the stands behind the goals to accommodate the odd rugby game. >rugby >in South Australia
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I thought when I was there, that the lack of roofs made for a lack of atmosphere !!
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SUTHERLANDBEAR wrote:I thought when I was there, that the lack of roofs made for a lack of atmosphere !! Roofs have done fuck all for Sydney FC's atmosphere :)
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Wow some interesting posts in here. Not hard to see people's agendas :lol: I don't think it'll happen for a while partially because there isn't enough noise being made about it yet and mainly because the government are still trying to capitalise on Adelaide Oval. Any case to be made will almost certainly incorporate making the ground suitable for Union, we're a million miles from getting a super rugby or NRL franchise though so it would only be for the odd game. I think there was an opportunity lost with the Torrens to Torrens upgrade. If they could have diverted Grange rd traffic onto Port Rd for people heading to the city they could turned Manton St into a 1 lane each way street and free up some extra space for an upgrade. Not only that there is a lot of medium to high density housing being built in the area (like Bowden) and with the entertainment centre just up the road the area has potential to be a proper entertainment district with cafes,restaurants and bars. None of that will happen of course :lol:
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No agenda mcjules
just the facts o:)
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bohemia wrote:salmonfc wrote:Once we start getting 90-95% capacity crowds more often than not, then we can start talking about upgrades.
Pretty sure several people have said it's literally impossible as there's simply not enough space. Well they're fucking outright wrong then, the ground was 20k capacity in the Olympics. Some streets were blocked off for that though. Biggest issue is the obvious place to expand is the southern end as there are no roads but all the buildings around the south, south/east are heritage listed.
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redsfan wrote:bohemia wrote:salmonfc wrote:Once we start getting 90-95% capacity crowds more often than not, then we can start talking about upgrades.
Pretty sure several people have said it's literally impossible as there's simply not enough space. Well they're fucking outright wrong then, the ground was 20k capacity in the Olympics. Some streets were blocked off for that though. Biggest issue is the obvious place to expand is the southern end as there are no roads but all the buildings around the south, south/east are heritage listed. That's why I don't think it's possible. Could fill in the corners but apart from that, there's nothing we can do.
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Aikhme wrote:MrBrisbane wrote:bohemia wrote:Hindmarsh needs an upgrade, but not for capacity. It needs shelter on the stands to keep the sun off and the noise in.
The club is also crying out for some corporate facilities that are basically a closed revenue stream for the club. But I don't think it can really be done because there's no room.
For now the stadium is fine because it basically is the cheapest stadium to rent in the a-league. So I wouldn't spend up big on the place if it ruins that. How long ago did they upgrade the seats? Was that government funded, I can't remember. No Government funding at all. The owners (Entertainment center) paid $4 million for that upgrade. They do what they can, with no help whatsoever. The entertainment centre is owned and run by a state department so yeah the the gov did fund the upgrade.
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salmonfc wrote:flat_eric wrote:As long as any upgrade doesn't compromise it's suitability for football by shifting the stands behind the goals to accommodate the odd rugby game. >rugby >in South Australia I see your point. But Adelaide did used to host the Australian leg of the World Series 7s.
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redsfan wrote:Aikhme wrote:MrBrisbane wrote:bohemia wrote:Hindmarsh needs an upgrade, but not for capacity. It needs shelter on the stands to keep the sun off and the noise in.
The club is also crying out for some corporate facilities that are basically a closed revenue stream for the club. But I don't think it can really be done because there's no room.
For now the stadium is fine because it basically is the cheapest stadium to rent in the a-league. So I wouldn't spend up big on the place if it ruins that. How long ago did they upgrade the seats? Was that government funded, I can't remember. No Government funding at all. The owners (Entertainment center) paid $4 million for that upgrade. They do what they can, with no help whatsoever. The entertainment centre is owned and run by a state department so yeah the the gov did fund the upgrade. No it's not. The Entertainment is privately owned.
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The stadium could be upgraded in it's current spot, it depends on what the desired outcome is. Some shelter over the current stands would be easy enough and cheap to get a modest bounce in crowd average's as it would encourage people to come despite the weather forecast.
Also more upgrades to facilities and a coat of paint to continue on the theme started last year would also make it a nicer/easier place to visit and maybe get a small increase.
Any capacity increase is going to need some major capital works to create the space and a whole lot of talking. Any upgrades to the North, West are going to need changes to roads, and the South the destruction or moving of heritage listed buildings. The East will need both of those problems overcome, there would be a massive amount of bullshit to go through to get approval to do it.
Then one has to consider is it worth expanding in it's current location, or build something from new elsewhere.
Then the club would be faced with a substantial hike in the their costs so it would have to guarantee a substantial crowd increase to make it worthwhile financially.
It could possibly be expanded to a small degree in the South West corner, and bit in the North end if the aim was to get it around the 18-20k wether it would have much impact is debatable.
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Aikhme wrote:redsfan wrote:Aikhme wrote:MrBrisbane wrote:bohemia wrote:Hindmarsh needs an upgrade, but not for capacity. It needs shelter on the stands to keep the sun off and the noise in.
The club is also crying out for some corporate facilities that are basically a closed revenue stream for the club. But I don't think it can really be done because there's no room.
For now the stadium is fine because it basically is the cheapest stadium to rent in the a-league. So I wouldn't spend up big on the place if it ruins that. How long ago did they upgrade the seats? Was that government funded, I can't remember. No Government funding at all. The owners (Entertainment center) paid $4 million for that upgrade. They do what they can, with no help whatsoever. The entertainment centre is owned and run by a state department so yeah the the gov did fund the upgrade. No it's not. The Entertainment is privately owned. Really, who owns it then? I thought it was owned by the State Goverment and run by the Adelaide Venue Management Corporation Board, a state government board as stated here.. http://dpc.sa.gov.au/current-listing-sa-government-boards-and-committeesEdited by redsfan: 10/4/2016 09:36:37 PM
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salmonfc wrote:flat_eric wrote:As long as any upgrade doesn't compromise it's suitability for football by shifting the stands behind the goals to accommodate the odd rugby game. >rugby >in South Australia Hindmarsh has been used for rugby in the past you know...:d
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redsfan wrote:The stadium could be upgraded in it's current spot, it depends on what the desired outcome is. Some shelter over the current stands would be easy enough and cheap to get a modest bounce in crowd average's as it would encourage people to come despite the weather forecast.
Also more upgrades to facilities and a coat of paint to continue on the theme started last year would also make it a nicer/easier place to visit and maybe get a small increase.
Any capacity increase is going to need some major capital works to create the space and a whole lot of talking. Any upgrades to the North, West are going to need changes to roads, and the South the destruction or moving of heritage listed buildings. The East will need both of those problems overcome, there would be a massive amount of bullshit to go through to get approval to do it.
Then one has to consider is it worth expanding in it's current location, or build something from new elsewhere.
Then the club would be faced with a substantial hike in the their costs so it would have to guarantee a substantial crowd increase to make it worthwhile financially.
It could possibly be expanded to a small degree in the South West corner, and bit in the North end if the aim was to get it around the 18-20k wether it would have much impact is debatable. I'm all for heritage. I live in a city that is essentially a big medieval city perfectly preserved. Heritage is important. Absolutely positively fuck those buildings off around Hindmarsh. Dead set. I grew up in neighbouring Flinders Park. Fuck me, if that shit is heritage then nuke the whole fucking state.
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Swarth wrote:i think so but lets get parramatta nuked and then rebuilt before we worry about other upgrades Just nuke everything West of Strathfield and the world will be at peace.
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redsfan wrote:Aikhme wrote:redsfan wrote:Aikhme wrote:MrBrisbane wrote:bohemia wrote:Hindmarsh needs an upgrade, but not for capacity. It needs shelter on the stands to keep the sun off and the noise in.
The club is also crying out for some corporate facilities that are basically a closed revenue stream for the club. But I don't think it can really be done because there's no room.
For now the stadium is fine because it basically is the cheapest stadium to rent in the a-league. So I wouldn't spend up big on the place if it ruins that. How long ago did they upgrade the seats? Was that government funded, I can't remember. No Government funding at all. The owners (Entertainment center) paid $4 million for that upgrade. They do what they can, with no help whatsoever. The entertainment centre is owned and run by a state department so yeah the the gov did fund the upgrade. No it's not. The Entertainment is privately owned. Really, who owns it then? I thought it was owned by the State Goverment and run by the Adelaide Venue Management Corporation Board, a state government board as stated here.. http://dpc.sa.gov.au/current-listing-sa-government-boards-and-committeesEdited by redsfan: 10/4/2016 09:36:37 PM No! Certainly not run by Government. That link is only an Arts board, which might just use the venue.
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I've heard a few people suggest (Rob Gerrard included) that Santos Stadium could be a future site of a fancy new stadium though once again for the AFL teams to use...
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Aikhme wrote:redsfan wrote:Aikhme wrote:redsfan wrote:Aikhme wrote:MrBrisbane wrote:bohemia wrote:Hindmarsh needs an upgrade, but not for capacity. It needs shelter on the stands to keep the sun off and the noise in.
The club is also crying out for some corporate facilities that are basically a closed revenue stream for the club. But I don't think it can really be done because there's no room.
For now the stadium is fine because it basically is the cheapest stadium to rent in the a-league. So I wouldn't spend up big on the place if it ruins that. How long ago did they upgrade the seats? Was that government funded, I can't remember. No Government funding at all. The owners (Entertainment center) paid $4 million for that upgrade. They do what they can, with no help whatsoever. The entertainment centre is owned and run by a state department so yeah the the gov did fund the upgrade. No it's not. The Entertainment is privately owned. Really, who owns it then? I thought it was owned by the State Goverment and run by the Adelaide Venue Management Corporation Board, a state government board as stated here.. http://dpc.sa.gov.au/current-listing-sa-government-boards-and-committeesEdited by redsfan: 10/4/2016 09:36:37 PM No! Certainly not run by Government. That link is only an Arts board, which might just use the venue.  :lol:
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Aikhme wrote:redsfan wrote:Aikhme wrote:redsfan wrote:Aikhme wrote:MrBrisbane wrote:bohemia wrote:Hindmarsh needs an upgrade, but not for capacity. It needs shelter on the stands to keep the sun off and the noise in.
The club is also crying out for some corporate facilities that are basically a closed revenue stream for the club. But I don't think it can really be done because there's no room.
For now the stadium is fine because it basically is the cheapest stadium to rent in the a-league. So I wouldn't spend up big on the place if it ruins that. How long ago did they upgrade the seats? Was that government funded, I can't remember. No Government funding at all. The owners (Entertainment center) paid $4 million for that upgrade. They do what they can, with no help whatsoever. The entertainment centre is owned and run by a state department so yeah the the gov did fund the upgrade. No it's not. The Entertainment is privately owned. Really, who owns it then? I thought it was owned by the State Goverment and run by the Adelaide Venue Management Corporation Board, a state government board as stated here.. http://dpc.sa.gov.au/current-listing-sa-government-boards-and-committeesEdited by redsfan: 10/4/2016 09:36:37 PM No! Certainly not run by Government. That link is only an Arts board, which might just use the venue. lol, scroll down the list till you find the board i mentioned then read.
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bohemia wrote:redsfan wrote:The stadium could be upgraded in it's current spot, it depends on what the desired outcome is. Some shelter over the current stands would be easy enough and cheap to get a modest bounce in crowd average's as it would encourage people to come despite the weather forecast.
Also more upgrades to facilities and a coat of paint to continue on the theme started last year would also make it a nicer/easier place to visit and maybe get a small increase.
Any capacity increase is going to need some major capital works to create the space and a whole lot of talking. Any upgrades to the North, West are going to need changes to roads, and the South the destruction or moving of heritage listed buildings. The East will need both of those problems overcome, there would be a massive amount of bullshit to go through to get approval to do it.
Then one has to consider is it worth expanding in it's current location, or build something from new elsewhere.
Then the club would be faced with a substantial hike in the their costs so it would have to guarantee a substantial crowd increase to make it worthwhile financially.
It could possibly be expanded to a small degree in the South West corner, and bit in the North end if the aim was to get it around the 18-20k wether it would have much impact is debatable. I'm all for heritage. I live in a city that is essentially a big medieval city perfectly preserved. Heritage is important. Absolutely positively fuck those buildings off around Hindmarsh. Dead set. I grew up in neighbouring Flinders Park. Fuck me, if that shit is heritage then nuke the whole fucking state. Does anyone know what these heritage listed buildings are?
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