Should the Iconic Hindmarsh be upgraded?


Should the Iconic Hindmarsh be upgraded?

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Gayfish wrote:
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Should Adelaide United be relegated?


You mean the Premiers?


This is Straya mate, Premiers means nothing.

It's the Granny or nothing


Yep, this is the reason for the United blowins buying tickets for the semi final when you never see them in the regular season. All about the granny.



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Back to top wrote:
Aikhme wrote:
TheDecider wrote:
Should Adelaide United be relegated?


You mean the Premiers?


This is Straya mate, Premiers means nothing.

It's the Granny or nothing


No Premiers are the real champions no matter how you slice and dice it!

But we will take the Granny too! :d
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Aikhme wrote:
Back to top wrote:
Aikhme wrote:
TheDecider wrote:
Should Adelaide United be relegated?


You mean the Premiers?


This is Straya mate, Premiers means nothing.

It's the Granny or nothing


No Premiers are the real champions no matter how you slice and dice it!

But we will take the Granny too! :d



Try here.
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canonical wrote:
Aikhme wrote:
Back to top wrote:
Aikhme wrote:
TheDecider wrote:
Should Adelaide United be relegated?


You mean the Premiers?


This is Straya mate, Premiers means nothing.

It's the Granny or nothing


No Premiers are the real champions no matter how you slice and dice it!

But we will take the Granny too! :d



Try here.


I take your mum there! :d
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Bit of a buzz on twitter about Hindmarsh getting a $45 million redevelopment for the Womens World Cup.

New pitch, roof on the west? side and upgraded corporate and facilities. 

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Eldar - 10 Nov 2020 4:45 PM
Bit of a buzz on twitter about Hindmarsh getting a $45 million redevelopment for the Womens World Cup.

New pitch, roof on the west? side and upgraded corporate and facilities. 

East side.

West side is currently the only side that has a roof
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sub007 - 10 Nov 2020 4:47 PM
Eldar - 10 Nov 2020 4:45 PM

East side.

West side is currently the only side that has a roof

OK, ta. Would leave just a north and south to be a shit hot football stadium.

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Disgraceful that hosting a World Cup only benefits the sport in SA for minor upgrades to Hindmarsh. Should be a purpose built stadium close to cbd.
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Dan_The_Red - 10 Nov 2020 5:18 PM
Disgraceful that hosting a World Cup only benefits the sport in SA for minor upgrades to Hindmarsh. Should be a purpose built stadium close to cbd.

Never got this thought process, why would you want a 30-40k seater stadium we could never fill? I’d much rather us upgrade Hindmarsh which is our home and synonymous with the club and the A League, and having a roof over the east side will be a big help (although I am worried about the wording, ‘shading’ rather than a roof makes me think it’s just gonna be old school oval style tarps.
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milan_7 - 10 Nov 2020 5:42 PM
Dan_The_Red - 10 Nov 2020 5:18 PM

Never got this thought process, why would you want a 30-40k seater stadium we could never fill? I’d much rather us upgrade Hindmarsh which is our home and synonymous with the club and the A League, and having a roof over the east side will be a big help (although I am worried about the wording, ‘shading’ rather than a roof makes me think it’s just gonna be old school oval style tarps.

25-30k stadium built in the cbd would have good attendance, just like games at Adelaide oval are well attended (despite its awful viewing experience). Continuing to shun the club to the suburbs without easy foot access to the city just stifles growth. At some point we as a club/sport have to aim higher.
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Also a 25k+ stadium is also able to get Roos games. I think Hindmarsh hasn’t had a Roos game in many years. 
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Meh....upgrade Hindmarsh build a city stadium down the track and have derby matches with someone later, I dont know Adelaide.

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Dan_The_Red - 10 Nov 2020 5:18 PM
Disgraceful that hosting a World Cup only benefits the sport in SA for minor upgrades to Hindmarsh. Should be a purpose built stadium close to cbd.

Adelaide getting like 8k average, dont think that warrants the government forking out 150-200m for a stadium which is gonna be used for 3 games max in 2023 and then be a quarter full. I dont know Adelaide that well, but im certain that moving the stadium will not double or triple the attendance figure. 

WSW moved temporarily to Homebush and when they returned to Parramatta this season, everyone thought they would get 20k+ but in reality they're struggling to get 12k on a weekly basis. A minor crowd size improvement might happen, but wont be anywhere near large enough to warrant a fresh stadium.
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The AFL clubs got massive attendance improvements when they moved to Adelaide Oval. Of course, that was coming from Football Park, which was a slog to get to. Hindmarsh's location isn't that bad, you can change for a tram from Adelaide station, from which it is under ten minutes away. And the immediate neighbourhood is reasonably okay to hang around in.

Will be interesting to see what $45m buys. A 7 report just mentioned a new pitch and new lighting. Not sure why they need a new pitch, the current one is probably the best in the league (it helps that they don't have rugger codes tearing the turf up).

Hopefully capacity can at least be increased to 20k, which is supposedly the minimum for WWC matches. But it's a very tight precinct to work in. The ground had 20k or so for the 2000 Olympics with temporary seating, but that involved road closures which is not really a permanent solution. And roofs around the whole stadium would be nice. Particularly useful with a winter switch, which will probably mean more matches on rainy days due to Adelaide's Mediterranean climate.
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elksy - 10 Nov 2020 7:56 PM

Dan_The_Red - 10 Nov 2020 5:18 PM

Adelaide getting like 8k average, dont think that warrants the government forking out 150-200m for a stadium which is gonna be used for 3 games max in 2023 and then be a quarter full. I dont know Adelaide that well, but im certain that moving the stadium will not double or triple the attendance figure. 

WSW moved temporarily to Homebush and when they returned to Parramatta this season, everyone thought they would get 20k+ but in reality they're struggling to get 12k on a weekly basis. A minor crowd size improvement might happen, but wont be anywhere near large enough to warrant a fresh stadium.

Here’s where I disagree, moving the club to the cbd I genuinely believe attendance would double to mid-late teens with higher stake matches breaking low 20s. Adelaide oval games have already confirmed this. 
WSW have no relevance, they were already playing in the parramatta precinct prior the stadium reno.
A new, multi purpose facility build is smarter infrastructure expenditure than throwing more money at Hindmarsh where the stadium is stuck between roads and heritage listings.

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The new pitch is extremely important there because the current surface is diseased. That's why united don't train there. It definitely needs to be replaced.

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Only in Adelaide could people carry on about Hindmarsh's location like it's in the middle of nowhere. It's barely outside the CBD and there is a tram that goes straight there.

Getting rid of an iconic stadium that was built for football for a new multipurpose one in the city that is barely any bigger is not worth it.

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df1982 - 10 Nov 2020 9:11 PM
The AFL clubs got massive attendance improvements when they moved to Adelaide Oval. Of course, that was coming from Football Park, which was a slog to get to. Hindmarsh's location isn't that bad, you can change for a tram from Adelaide station, from which it is under ten minutes away. And the immediate neighbourhood is reasonably okay to hang around in.

Will be interesting to see what $45m buys. A 7 report just mentioned a new pitch and new lighting. Not sure why they need a new pitch, the current one is probably the best in the league (it helps that they don't have rugger codes tearing the turf up).

Hopefully capacity can at least be increased to 20k, which is supposedly the minimum for WWC matches. But it's a very tight precinct to work in. The ground had 20k or so for the 2000 Olympics with temporary seating, but that involved road closures which is not really a permanent solution. And roofs around the whole stadium would be nice. Particularly useful with a winter switch, which will probably mean more matches on rainy days due to Adelaide's Mediterranean climate.

Temporary seating at the Olympics only brought the capacity to 18.5k. The overhanging seats trod a fine line with engineering and council regulations. So they can: Never enlarge Hindmarsh; probably never build a new stadium; and we will probably have to put up with occaisional big match played at Adelaide oval.
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melbourne_terrace - 11 Nov 2020 10:04 AM
Only in Adelaide could people carry on about Hindmarsh's location like it's in the middle of nowhere. It's barely outside the CBD and there is a tram that goes straight there.

Getting rid of an iconic stadium that was built for football for a new multipurpose one in the city that is barely any bigger is not worth it.

This. Beyond the allure of shiny new things, I don't understand why people feel the often proposed riverbank stadium is so desparately needed. Sure, parking at the Entertainment Centre can be pricey and the tram stops like 600m short of the stadium itself, but apart from that Hindmarsh is pretty much perfect in terms of capacity and aesthetics, it's still fairly easily accessible (not like it'd be much better trying to find a park in the city then walking over to the proposed riverbank location) and the seating has you right up close to the action whereas I feel like this riverbank stadium would only be greenlit if the Adelaide Rams came back (and would be tailor made for rugby with more distance between the stands and the action). On top of that, Hindmarsh is one of the best and most iconic football grounds in the country. If we ditched it for a riverbank stadium and let Hindmarsh either get demolished or sold to a secondary Adelaide team, I'd go mental.




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salmonfc - 11 Nov 2020 11:57 AM
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This. Beyond the allure of shiny new things, I don't understand why people feel the often proposed riverbank stadium is so desparately needed. Sure, parking at the Entertainment Centre can be pricey and the tram stops like 600m short of the stadium itself, but apart from that Hindmarsh is pretty much perfect in terms of capacity and aesthetics, it's still fairly easily accessible (not like it'd be much better trying to find a park in the city then walking over to the proposed riverbank location) and the seating has you right up close to the action whereas I feel like this riverbank stadium would only be greenlit if the Adelaide Rams came back (and would be tailor made for rugby with more distance between the stands and the action). On top of that, Hindmarsh is one of the best and most iconic football grounds in the country. If we ditched it for a riverbank stadium and let Hindmarsh either get demolished or sold to a secondary Adelaide team, I'd go mental.



This is definitely my fear. Maybe Adelaide could do with a bigger rectangular stadium to host Socceroos, rugby games etc but unless there was a concrete guarantee that Hindmarsh would be kept for club Football than it is not worth it. 

You can be sure that the second any sort of new stadium chat gets serious, then the State government would not be able to resist flogging it to developers.

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melbourne_terrace - 11 Nov 2020 1:03 PM
salmonfc - 11 Nov 2020 11:57 AM

This is definitely my fear. Maybe Adelaide could do with a bigger rectangular stadium to host Socceroos, rugby games etc but unless there was a concrete guarantee that Hindmarsh would be kept for club Football than it is not worth it. 

You can be sure that the second any sort of new stadium chat gets serious, then the State government would not be able to resist flogging it to developers.

Hopefully this redevelopment plan means that the state government would rather commit to making Hindmarsh better than splurge on a new stadium.

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This is definitely my fear. Maybe Adelaide could do with a bigger rectangular stadium to host Socceroos, rugby games etc but unless there was a concrete guarantee that Hindmarsh would be kept for club Football than it is not worth it

You can be sure that the second any sort of new stadium chat gets serious, then the State government would not be able to resist flogging it to developers.

This would be an appealing option in my view, Adelaide playing most of their A-League games at Hindmarsh (perhaps even with a capacity downgrade so the roof can go all the way around and Adelaide can reallu pack it out) as well as more access for FFSA and any interested NPL clubs, and a new riverside multi-purpose venue in the CBD that Adelaide use for big games a couple of times per season. This would be predicated on its max capacity being 40k though (enough for a men's WC) because there won't be much point in bothering with it otherwise. Of course, getting the government to stump for a venue that Adelaide would only commit to a few games per season is a big ask.
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paladisious - 11 Nov 2020 6:30 PM
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This would be an appealing option in my view, Adelaide playing most of their A-League games at Hindmarsh (perhaps even with a capacity downgrade so the roof can go all the way around and Adelaide can reallu pack it out) as well as more access for FFSA and any interested NPL clubs, and a new riverside multi-purpose venue in the CBD that Adelaide use for big games a couple of times per season. This would be predicated on its max capacity being 40k though (enough for a men's WC) because there won't be much point in bothering with it otherwise. Of course, getting the government to stump for a venue that Adelaide would only commit to a few games per season is a big ask.

There is no way they would do that, though, as it would be a massive waste of money for a handful of matches (which can mostly be played at Adelaide Oval anyway).
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df1982 - 10 Nov 2020 9:11 PM

Temporary seating at the Olympics only brought the capacity to 18.5k. The overhanging seats trod a fine line with engineering and council regulations. So they can: Never enlarge Hindmarsh; probably never build a new stadium; and we will probably have to put up with occaisional big match played at Adelaide oval.

There does look to be room for a limited amount of expansion if you rebuild the eastern stand, and perhaps there is a suitable engineering solution for the overhanging seats. It's actually a really annoying parcel of land to try to fit a decent-sized stadium into.
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There is no way they would do that, though, as it would be a massive waste of money for a handful of matches (which can mostly be played at Adelaide Oval anyway).

Obviously in this case Adelaide United wouldn't be the primary tenant of the multipurpose venue, the question is, who would be?
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Adelaide getting like 8k average, dont think that warrants the government forking out 150-200m for a stadium which is gonna be used for 3 games max in 2023 and then be a quarter full. I dont know Adelaide that well, but im certain that moving the stadium will not double or triple the attendance figure. 

WSW moved temporarily to Homebush and when they returned to Parramatta this season, everyone thought they would get 20k+ but in reality they're struggling to get 12k on a weekly basis. A minor crowd size improvement might happen, but wont be anywhere near large enough to warrant a fresh stadium.

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df1982 - 10 Nov 2020 9:11 PM

Temporary seating at the Olympics only brought the capacity to 18.5k. The overhanging seats trod a fine line with engineering and council regulations. So they can: Never enlarge Hindmarsh; probably never build a new stadium; and we will probably have to put up with occaisional big match played at Adelaide oval.

Then Adelaide doesn't deserve to host any international matches, let alone WWC matches, ever again!


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paladisious - 11 Nov 2020 8:18 PM
df1982 - 11 Nov 2020 7:46 PM

Obviously in this case Adelaide United wouldn't be the primary tenant of the multipurpose venue, the question is, who would be?

Obviously the mighty Adelaide Rams.

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paladisious - 11 Nov 2020 8:18 PM
df1982 - 11 Nov 2020 7:46 PM

Obviously in this case Adelaide United wouldn't be the primary tenant of the multipurpose venue, the question is, who would be?

That's the rub: Rugby is maxed out with 5 teams (the dramas with the Force show even that is a bit too many), and Adelaide is way down the list for NRL expansion (after Brisbane II, Perth, Central Coast, Sunshine Coast and Wellington at the very least). And no other codes would be appropriate for such a stadium. So it's really just AUFC. 
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