Should the Iconic Hindmarsh be upgraded?


Should the Iconic Hindmarsh be upgraded?

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bohemia wrote:
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Hindmarsh already looks beautiful. If you could box it up (there is currently a gap in seating at each corner flag), that would add another 1000 or 2000 seats, which would be a perfect size stadium for Adelaide United.



I guess we could add an extra tier maybe - I'm not sure about the logistics to be honest

Can I be really unpopular in suggesting turning AAMI stadium into a Football Stadum?


Apparently the Crows have a lease until 2048 as their training and admin base. Don't know why they need 50k seats around them for training sessions though. Maybe a swap could be considered?

If you dug the oval down into a rectangle the capacity would be massive, 70k at least, could be an option for a World Cup?


The SANFL owned the stadium outright. They sold it to developers to fund their contribution to the Adelaide Oval, and in return they were granted their share in the new Stadium Management Authority. Football Park isn't on the table, it's sold and being redeveloped in to housing.


So what I said was that the Crows have a lease from the company the SANFL sold the land to as a training ground, they'll be there until 2048 under the present arrangement. I wasn't sure what was happening to the stands, but apparently they're still there at this stage.

Edited by paladisious: 11/4/2016 04:00:55 PM
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paladisious wrote:
bohemia wrote:
paladisious wrote:
UnitedGal wrote:
newton_circus wrote:
Hindmarsh already looks beautiful. If you could box it up (there is currently a gap in seating at each corner flag), that would add another 1000 or 2000 seats, which would be a perfect size stadium for Adelaide United.



I guess we could add an extra tier maybe - I'm not sure about the logistics to be honest

Can I be really unpopular in suggesting turning AAMI stadium into a Football Stadum?


Apparently the Crows have a lease until 2048 as their training and admin base. Don't know why they need 50k seats around them for training sessions though. Maybe a swap could be considered?

If you dug the oval down into a rectangle the capacity would be massive, 70k at least, could be an option for a World Cup?


The SANFL owned the stadium outright. They sold it to developers to fund their contribution to the Adelaide Oval, and in return they were granted their share in the new Stadium Management Authority. Football Park isn't on the table, it's sold and being redeveloped in to housing.


So what I said was that the Crows have a lease from the company the SANFL sold the land to as a training ground, they'll be there until 2048 under the present arrangement. I wasn't sure what was happening to the stands, but apparently they're still there at this stage.

Stands are still there. However I think the most recent plan is to demolish the outer stands and retain only the old members stand. Again, like Waverley.
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bohemia wrote:
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Just looked up the o-bahn as I've never heard of it until now.

What the fuck :lol: it's a train track for buses


Never heard of the o-bahn and you live in Adelaide? Unbelievable...:roll:

The o-bahn upgrade is a waste of money, though. A billion dollar tunnel just so the bus can get into town 3 minutes quicker?? That's a massive waste of money.

It's a billion dollars now? :shock:

The time savings claimed in this thread I'm highly dubious of too, when I worked in the city the buses regularly were held up on Hackney road for 10-15 minutes in peak hour traffic. The time saving wasn't the only issue, it was also how unpredictable it all was. Anyway, I'm not sure it was the best infrastructure to invest money in right now but it's not a terrible one and I'm 99% sure it is being done now as it opens up options for other improvements on the ring road which after the north south corridor improvements, is next cab off the rank in terms of importance.

Anyway, this isn't an SA politics thread, it's about upgrading Hindmarsh :lol:

I had a gig driving the buses in Adelaide when I was younger. Sometimes I got held up 45 minutes on Hackney Rd. The Obahn extension is very important and money well spent. You have to think of it as how much money you're wasting NOT building it. It's ridiculous that you can travel for 10 km in 10 minutes then the last km takes half an hour. It renders the whole line useless when all the cars you overtook on the Obahn while they plodded on NE Road all catch up to you at the end. And remember also that all the fuel you spend sitting at the end has to be paid for, the driver is still being paid to sit in traffic, and the bus that could be doing another run (and earning revenue) is not moving. Then multiply that by a thousand buses every day, 365 days a year. The extension pays for itself.

Edited by bohemia: 11/4/2016 03:54:20 PM

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Says a lot about Adelaide United when all it takes is a Premier's Plate win and people suddenly want to increase the size of our stadium.

A sleeping giant in the A-League has awoken.

#wedabest

Edited by salmonfc: 11/4/2016 04:08:44 PM

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bohemia wrote:
mcjules wrote:
localstar wrote:
salmonfc wrote:
Just looked up the o-bahn as I've never heard of it until now.

What the fuck :lol: it's a train track for buses


Never heard of the o-bahn and you live in Adelaide? Unbelievable...:roll:

The o-bahn upgrade is a waste of money, though. A billion dollar tunnel just so the bus can get into town 3 minutes quicker?? That's a massive waste of money.

It's a billion dollars now? :shock:

The time savings claimed in this thread I'm highly dubious of too, when I worked in the city the buses regularly were held up on Hackney road for 10-15 minutes in peak hour traffic. The time saving wasn't the only issue, it was also how unpredictable it all was. Anyway, I'm not sure it was the best infrastructure to invest money in right now but it's not a terrible one and I'm 99% sure it is being done now as it opens up options for other improvements on the ring road which after the north south corridor improvements, is next cab off the rank in terms of importance.

Anyway, this isn't an SA politics thread, it's about upgrading Hindmarsh :lol:

I had a gig driving the buses in Adelaide when I was younger. Sometimes I got held up 45 minutes on Hackney Rd. The Obahn extension is very important and money well spent. You have to think of it as how much money you're wasting NOT building it. It's ridiculous that you can travel for 10 km in 10 minutes then the last km takes half an hour. It renders the whole line useless when all the cars you overtook on the Obahn while they plodded on NE Road all catch up to you at the end. And remember also that all the fuel you spend sitting at the end has to be paid for, the driver is still being paid to sit in traffic, and the bus that could be doing another run (and earning revenue) is not moving. Then multiply that by a thousand buses every day, 365 days a year. The extension pays for itself.

Edited by bohemia: 11/4/2016 03:54:20 PM


I travel regularly to the city to work by o-bahn bus and they are never held up for 45 minutes- not even during Clipsal week. The time for the journey has always been quite reasonable and I don't think I've ever experienced a delay of more than about 10 mins.

Delays at the moment are actually caused by the road works:d
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localstar wrote:
bohemia wrote:
mcjules wrote:
localstar wrote:
salmonfc wrote:
Just looked up the o-bahn as I've never heard of it until now.

What the fuck :lol: it's a train track for buses


Never heard of the o-bahn and you live in Adelaide? Unbelievable...:roll:

The o-bahn upgrade is a waste of money, though. A billion dollar tunnel just so the bus can get into town 3 minutes quicker?? That's a massive waste of money.

It's a billion dollars now? :shock:

The time savings claimed in this thread I'm highly dubious of too, when I worked in the city the buses regularly were held up on Hackney road for 10-15 minutes in peak hour traffic. The time saving wasn't the only issue, it was also how unpredictable it all was. Anyway, I'm not sure it was the best infrastructure to invest money in right now but it's not a terrible one and I'm 99% sure it is being done now as it opens up options for other improvements on the ring road which after the north south corridor improvements, is next cab off the rank in terms of importance.

Anyway, this isn't an SA politics thread, it's about upgrading Hindmarsh :lol:

I had a gig driving the buses in Adelaide when I was younger. Sometimes I got held up 45 minutes on Hackney Rd. The Obahn extension is very important and money well spent. You have to think of it as how much money you're wasting NOT building it. It's ridiculous that you can travel for 10 km in 10 minutes then the last km takes half an hour. It renders the whole line useless when all the cars you overtook on the Obahn while they plodded on NE Road all catch up to you at the end. And remember also that all the fuel you spend sitting at the end has to be paid for, the driver is still being paid to sit in traffic, and the bus that could be doing another run (and earning revenue) is not moving. Then multiply that by a thousand buses every day, 365 days a year. The extension pays for itself.

Edited by bohemia: 11/4/2016 03:54:20 PM


I travel regularly to the city to work by o-bahn bus and they are never held up for 45 minutes- not even during Clipsal week. The time for the journey has always been quite reasonable and I don't think I've ever experienced a delay of more than about 10 mins.

Delays at the moment are actually caused by the road works:d

Well allow me to step back 10 years to when I lived there, and did that job, and put up with know it all passengers like you.

What the fuck would you know? Ride the bus once a day and you think you know how the system works?

Edited by bohemia: 11/4/2016 04:16:56 PM
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Aha so much resentment
My uncle was a bus driver. He still speaks like you do now after 15 years retired aha
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Davide82 wrote:
Aha so much resentment
My uncle was a bus driver. He still speaks like you do now after 15 years retired aha

\:d/

But in all seriousness, passengers are deadbeats.

Edited by bohemia: 11/4/2016 04:24:30 PM
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:
mcjules wrote:
AzzaMarch wrote:
newton_circus wrote:
Hindmarsh already looks beautiful. If you could box it up (there is currently a gap in seating at each corner flag), that would add another 1000 or 2000 seats, which would be a perfect size stadium for Adelaide United.



During the Sydney 2000 football tournament, they had temporary seating put in, filling up the corners as you suggest. It actually pushed the capacity to 20k.

I tend to agree that this talk of significant expansion is not really viable. AU would need to average 13-14k and have regular sell outs before you could really justify significant expansion or a new stadium.

As much as I would love a 30k capacity stadium in the middle of the city, it just ain't gonna happen. Even aussie rules only had the clout to generate a redevelopment at Adelaide Oval, rather than a new stadium.

We don't have the economic clout to justify it.

As I said before, averaging 13-14k isn't viable but we could sell out a few more games. That would put some pressure on.
Wasn't there talk about making Hindmarsh permanently 20k at least after the ACL final? What happened to those murmurs?


From memory I think the govt basically said - if you regularly sell out the stadium, and can prove that you need it, then it will be considered.

Then a year or 2 later we had the licence returned to the FFA when Nick Bianco had big financial issues.

Then after that the return of AFL to Adelaide Oval took centre stage, etc.

I think it has just fallen off the agenda because of lack of demand.
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bohemia wrote:
Davide82 wrote:
Aha so much resentment
My uncle was a bus driver. He still speaks like you do now after 15 years retired aha

\:d/

But in all seriousness, passengers are deadbeats.

Edited by bohemia: 11/4/2016 04:24:30 PM


Ive known a few bus drivers. They were all great blokes except when they were at work.
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AzzaMarch wrote:
11.mvfc.11 wrote:
mcjules wrote:
AzzaMarch wrote:
newton_circus wrote:
Hindmarsh already looks beautiful. If you could box it up (there is currently a gap in seating at each corner flag), that would add another 1000 or 2000 seats, which would be a perfect size stadium for Adelaide United.



During the Sydney 2000 football tournament, they had temporary seating put in, filling up the corners as you suggest. It actually pushed the capacity to 20k.

I tend to agree that this talk of significant expansion is not really viable. AU would need to average 13-14k and have regular sell outs before you could really justify significant expansion or a new stadium.

As much as I would love a 30k capacity stadium in the middle of the city, it just ain't gonna happen. Even aussie rules only had the clout to generate a redevelopment at Adelaide Oval, rather than a new stadium.

We don't have the economic clout to justify it.

As I said before, averaging 13-14k isn't viable but we could sell out a few more games. That would put some pressure on.
Wasn't there talk about making Hindmarsh permanently 20k at least after the ACL final? What happened to those murmurs?


From memory I think the govt basically said - if you regularly sell out the stadium, and can prove that you need it, then it will be considered.

Then a year or 2 later we had the licence returned to the FFA when Nick Bianco had big financial issues.

Then after that the return of AFL to Adelaide Oval took centre stage, etc.

I think it has just fallen off the agenda because of lack of demand.


Exactly

Why should Taxpayers fund a private franchise that only needs it 13 times a year and might sell-out twice

A private franchise that has ongoing rumours of being up for Sale, and is only guaranteed existence for the length of the current Fox TV deal.

It's only bandwagoners that might miss out.
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If Adelaide can build their membership base to 13000 then there would be grounds to start talking about a stadium upgrade. With continued success , I think is a strong possibility. If the NRL can send a team to Adelaide and have the venue used all year round then it would be more likely to happen.
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bohemia wrote:
localstar wrote:
bohemia wrote:
mcjules wrote:
localstar wrote:
salmonfc wrote:
Just looked up the o-bahn as I've never heard of it until now.

What the fuck :lol: it's a train track for buses


Never heard of the o-bahn and you live in Adelaide? Unbelievable...:roll:

The o-bahn upgrade is a waste of money, though. A billion dollar tunnel just so the bus can get into town 3 minutes quicker?? That's a massive waste of money.

It's a billion dollars now? :shock:

The time savings claimed in this thread I'm highly dubious of too, when I worked in the city the buses regularly were held up on Hackney road for 10-15 minutes in peak hour traffic. The time saving wasn't the only issue, it was also how unpredictable it all was. Anyway, I'm not sure it was the best infrastructure to invest money in right now but it's not a terrible one and I'm 99% sure it is being done now as it opens up options for other improvements on the ring road which after the north south corridor improvements, is next cab off the rank in terms of importance.

Anyway, this isn't an SA politics thread, it's about upgrading Hindmarsh :lol:

I had a gig driving the buses in Adelaide when I was younger. Sometimes I got held up 45 minutes on Hackney Rd. The Obahn extension is very important and money well spent. You have to think of it as how much money you're wasting NOT building it. It's ridiculous that you can travel for 10 km in 10 minutes then the last km takes half an hour. It renders the whole line useless when all the cars you overtook on the Obahn while they plodded on NE Road all catch up to you at the end. And remember also that all the fuel you spend sitting at the end has to be paid for, the driver is still being paid to sit in traffic, and the bus that could be doing another run (and earning revenue) is not moving. Then multiply that by a thousand buses every day, 365 days a year. The extension pays for itself.

Edited by bohemia: 11/4/2016 03:54:20 PM


I travel regularly to the city to work by o-bahn bus and they are never held up for 45 minutes- not even during Clipsal week. The time for the journey has always been quite reasonable and I don't think I've ever experienced a delay of more than about 10 mins.

Delays at the moment are actually caused by the road works:d

Well allow me to step back 10 years to when I lived there, and did that job, and put up with know it all passengers like you.

What the fuck would you know? Ride the bus once a day and you think you know how the system works?

Edited by bohemia: 11/4/2016 04:16:56 PM


Now you know why bus drivers get bashed in Adelaide:lol:

Your only 45 minute delay was probably caused by an accident!

Seriously I think the o-bahn tunnel extension is a political stunt by the government to impress potential voters in the northeastern electorates.

(and by the way you sound like a dickhead.. this is typical Adelaide, though isn't it?- people outraged at other people's opinions. Perhaps you should go on the safootballnews forum; there are others like you there:d )
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If Adelaide can build their membership base to 13000 then there would be grounds to start talking about a stadium upgrade. With continued success , I think is a strong possibility. If the NRL can send a team to Adelaide and have the venue used all year round then it would be more likely to happen.

Rugby league is relatively non existent next to union in Adelaide, and Union is non existent next to football, and football gets a quarter the average crowds of each AFL team. :lol: While the NRL is clearly the stronger league of all rugby codes it's clearly second to union for interest in Adelaide. NRL in Adelaide aint happening.
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canonical wrote:
bohemia wrote:
Davide82 wrote:
Aha so much resentment
My uncle was a bus driver. He still speaks like you do now after 15 years retired aha

\:d/

But in all seriousness, passengers are deadbeats.

Edited by bohemia: 11/4/2016 04:24:30 PM


Ive known a few bus drivers. They were all great blokes except when they were at work.


:lol:
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If Adelaide can build their membership base to 13000 then there would be grounds to start talking about a stadium upgrade. With continued success , I think is a strong possibility. If the NRL can send a team to Adelaide and have the venue used all year round then it would be more likely to happen.


I'd like to see Hindmarsh 'finished' to an international standard football stadium with a retractable roof please, say 20-25k.
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Rugby is absolutely irrelevant in South Australia.

For the first time, but certainly not the last, I began to believe that Arsenals moods and fortunes somehow reflected my own. - Hornby

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Back to top wrote:

A private franchise that has ongoing rumours of being up for Sale,


While for all we know that may be true, you are LITERALLY the only person I see who ever voices said rumours and from memory it's based on something written about 2-3 years ago. So any on goingness is seemingly all coming from you and you aha

The owners probably would be open to discussions for the right price etc but that's not the same thing as the way as you try to always spin it
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left field thinking
With our chinese sponsors, what if they could build a new stadium
im sure the state alp love connecting with chinese sponsors ( they funded the Port Power tv deal for china )
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Davide82 wrote:
Back to top wrote:

A private franchise that has ongoing rumours of being up for Sale,


While for all we know that may be true, you are LITERALLY the only person I see who ever voices said rumours and from memory it's based on something written about 2-3 years ago. So any on goingness is seemingly all coming from you and you aha

The owners probably would be open to discussions for the right price etc but that's not the same thing as the way as you try to always spin it


Must admit it's quieter recently.

Although Sage is dodgy as fuck, I never hear any of his passion coming from the Adelaide hierarchy. Only whining about costs and FFA restrictions. Seems like they'd be happy to follow the Heart guys lead.

FFA will be swallowing any potential Sales leads right now anyhow.

Edited by Back to top: 11/4/2016 08:04:05 PM
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bohemia wrote:
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If Adelaide can build their membership base to 13000 then there would be grounds to start talking about a stadium upgrade. With continued success , I think is a strong possibility. If the NRL can send a team to Adelaide and have the venue used all year round then it would be more likely to happen.

Rugby league is relatively non existent next to union in Adelaide, and Union is non existent next to football, and football gets a quarter the average crowds of each AFL team. :lol: While the NRL is clearly the stronger league of all rugby codes it's clearly second to union for interest in Adelaide. NRL in Adelaide aint happening.


I agree that NRL in Adelaide ain't happening - but that says more about the lack of expansion policy from the NRL, rather than zero demand.

People from Adelaide are quite parochial and will turn out to support their own teams. When Cronulla and Penrith used to play one game a season at Hindmarsh they would get 7-8,000 which is not too bad for a team with no link to Adelaide, and minimal publicity.

Back in the days of the Super League and the Adelaide Rams, they got decent attendances for quite a while as well. It only really fell off once it was clear that the team was going to be cut when the ARL & Super League called a truce.

The other thing to remember is that in Adelaide there isn't the same divide between Union and League. There is much more crossover in support, as both are smaller sports, and there isn't the same "old money" establishment links to Union that exist in Sydney. If you had an NRL team in Adelaide it would get support from the Union crowd as they realise that an increase in NRL profile in a state dominated by aussie rules will help them too.

Having said all that, there is no appetite for expansion from the NRL outside of their heartland. If they changed their mind, obviously Perth and maybe a 2nd Melbourne team would be prioritised above Adelaide. But if the NRL ever actually put a team in Adelaide, I think they would consistently draw 8-10,000 which is not bad in NRL terms.
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I love that South Australia have Hindmarsh as a football stadium. The renovations, although small, made it look really nice. I hope they stick with the stadium long term and perhaps when needed expand it a little bit and put on a roof. Otherwise it is a great example of a football stadium for other states to look at when it comes to one day getting more football only stadiums.

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Semi final at Hindmarsh has pretty much sold out. Not a single GA seat and limited seats in the Western stand. Tickets haven't even been released to the general public yet.

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I think now is the time AUFC should start creating some media hype about a possible redevelopment.

There is a big chance that the Final will be in Adelaide in front of 55,000 fans. This will create a lot of hype, and it will be difficult for Government to ignore.
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Should Adelaide United be relegated?
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They can do the Reno this weekend whist the team take a well-earned break.

How many more seats do you reckon ?


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TheDecider wrote:
Should Adelaide United be relegated?


You mean the Premiers?
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AzzaMarch wrote:
bohemia wrote:
stryker wrote:
If Adelaide can build their membership base to 13000 then there would be grounds to start talking about a stadium upgrade. With continued success , I think is a strong possibility. If the NRL can send a team to Adelaide and have the venue used all year round then it would be more likely to happen.

Rugby league is relatively non existent next to union in Adelaide, and Union is non existent next to football, and football gets a quarter the average crowds of each AFL team. :lol: While the NRL is clearly the stronger league of all rugby codes it's clearly second to union for interest in Adelaide. NRL in Adelaide aint happening.


I agree that NRL in Adelaide ain't happening - but that says more about the lack of expansion policy from the NRL, rather than zero demand.

People from Adelaide are quite parochial and will turn out to support their own teams. When Cronulla and Penrith used to play one game a season at Hindmarsh they would get 7-8,000 which is not too bad for a team with no link to Adelaide, and minimal publicity.

Back in the days of the Super League and the Adelaide Rams, they got decent attendances for quite a while as well. It only really fell off once it was clear that the team was going to be cut when the ARL & Super League called a truce.

The other thing to remember is that in Adelaide there isn't the same divide between Union and League. There is much more crossover in support, as both are smaller sports, and there isn't the same "old money" establishment links to Union that exist in Sydney. If you had an NRL team in Adelaide it would get support from the Union crowd as they realise that an increase in NRL profile in a state dominated by aussie rules will help them too.

Having said all that, there is no appetite for expansion from the NRL outside of their heartland. If they changed their mind, obviously Perth and maybe a 2nd Melbourne team would be prioritised above Adelaide. But if the NRL ever actually put a team in Adelaide, I think they would consistently draw 8-10,000 which is not bad in NRL terms.

Yep, the only issue for a NRL team in Adelaide would be corporate support, i'm not sure there is the money around to tap into in SA atm.
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Aikhme wrote:
TheDecider wrote:
Should Adelaide United be relegated?


You mean the Premiers?


This is Straya mate, Premiers means nothing.

It's the Granny or nothing
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Back to top wrote:
Aikhme wrote:
TheDecider wrote:
Should Adelaide United be relegated?


You mean the Premiers?


This is Straya mate, Premiers means nothing.

It's the Granny or nothing


Yep, this is the reason for the United blowins buying tickets for the semi final when you never see them in the regular season. All about the granny.
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