I don't agree with the MO and I don't agree it's kidnapping, the mother is entitled to retrieve her children who were taken from her without her consent. It's completely relevant that the mother and kids were lied to, if any of us were in her situation we'd be trying to get our kids back rather than meekly accepting the legal ruling of a heavily corrupt court system.

Child abduction is illegal anywhere you go. What would have happened when they got to immigration and the kids said they dont want to be here? I'm sure both the Aus and Lebanese government both frown upon people trafficking

Kids are not taken without consent or against a legal system - that is kidnapping. Why has he not been charge?

because he diodn't do anything wrong and youre purely specualting as to what the situation was.

As for 'the legal ruling of a heavily corrupt court system' do you mean the Australian or Lebanese one that is based on French law?

I couldn't imagine the outcry if it was the father kidnapping the children.

# EQUALITY

Has there been any evidence of the mother interacting with the Lebanese courts to try and obtain them back? Or has she just made assumptions like Rusty and decided to say fuck the police, disregard common law and steal some children?

Haha like he said when interviewed, if he had tried this in Australia he'd be shot as a terrorist :lol:

-PB

My gawd. :lol: This father admitted he lied to the mother that he was just taking the kids on a holiday and later decided to keep them. How has the father "done nothing wrong"? He lied ffs!! LIED LIED LIED! He lied to the mother, he lied to his kids. That's why there's a fucking hague convention, so parents cant steal children and hide behind the local laws of the country. Just because they aren't signatories to it doesn't mean the children weren't abducted from their mother. He said he was taking them on a holiday, he signed a statement promising he would return them, he lied, he kept the kids. LIES, ABDUCTION, DECEIT!!

You just can't take kids on the premise of going on a holiday and not return them. Or can you? If it's all hunky dory for this chap to do it then it's permissible for any mother to do the same.

Maybe the feminists are right and some men do hate women. I might have to join my local man hating chapter to get some sensible opinions.

That's her side of the story though. What has the father said regarding the premise of him permanently relocating them to Lebanon?

Yeah because a mother taking her children back is stealing :lol: :oops: :lol: :oops: :lol: :oops:

Again, why has he never been charged for any crime, why have aussie cops not done anything about it....

It is when you go to a country - where he has custody rights - with a group of professional kidnappers, oh and a tv crew for your story

So, because he lied, she now has the right to kidnap children from another country? My gawd. :lol: Dat logic

he sounds like dad of the year material to me




Nice guy too



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I'll assume like Rusty does, my assumption is the woman is a head case, the new boyfriend is a gronk and the husband cannot even stay in aus because he cant work here - so he thought fark this.

She has a 3 month old baby - what a fucking lunatic just fucking off at that stage.

He said that he took the children to Lebanon on the proviso of a holiday, and then once in Lebanon he changed his mind. He actually admitted that.

Anyway this chap has a solid record of lying and changing his mind, will he press charges, won't he press charges, will he demand payment, won't he demand payment, he will return the kids, he won't return the kids, not exactly a track record for telling the truth.

Again, the logic of the mother kidnapping her children, as if they are possessions of Lebanon? My gawd indeed. :lol:

Nawwww what a sweetheart.o:)

Probably desperate to get her kids back, probably too depressed to thoroughly think through the consequences of her actions, probably dumb as a dog too.

Cool, so he did nothing wrong then too.

He lied. Lying is wrong. He swore he would return the kids. He lied. Lies galore! Lying is bad.

Refer to previous post of two wrongs don't make a right

Again, a parent trying to reconnect with her children that were wrongfully taken from her isn't wrong.

Breaking foreign laws is. You are getting too emotionally caught up in this. Look at things objectively and you will be a much more rounded person

I am looking at things objectively. The father lied and deceived the mother in order to steal the children from her. He lied, he manipulated, he connived, he betrayed, and now he's hiding behind Lebanon's dodgy court system. All the mother did was trust him and because of that she's a stupid, naive women, but she is within her fundamental rights as a parent to try and get her kids back, even if it means breaking Lebanon's questionable laws and corrupt courts. Legally she might not have a leg to stand on (over there at least) but there's a bigger picture than just the laws, legislation, etc. Just because it's legally permissible in some countries to stone people to death and chop off peoples heads doesn't make it moral .

It is all in the media now.

The whole the father is "well connected" is exaggerated by the media. His mother is alleged to be related to a member of parliament. That's it. The whole Hezbollah/Iranian is nothing more the a good headline/story to sell papers and to make 60mins look like good guys.

Is there evidence for all of what you are stating? Are you familiar with the Lebanese judicial system? Or are you just spewing empty rhetoric and assuming that because they are Arab they must be corrupt? I am going off of the evidence provided by the media and government. The woman paid people to steal children from a foreign country. That is illegal, not immoral, but illegal and i am highly upset that all involved aren't charged to the full extent of the Lebanese law

Rock solid evidence presented that nine paid the kidnapper directly - they're trying to say they put the money in his account accidentally :lol:

I trust they'll be sending their people back if they're found guilty

And where do you get that from?

lebanon is one of the top 50 corrupt countries on earth, look it up online. Why is a mum who is trying to reclaim her children whom were stolen from her "empty rhetoric"? How can a mother steal her own kids who were stolen from her? :d If you loan some mate your car and he ships its over to Lebanon and registers it as his does it make it any less your car? The father stole the kids, he committed a very immmoral act against the kids and the mother, listen to him talk he lies and contradicts himself at every opportunity. How people can spin a woman trying to recover her stolen children is theft is beyond me.