A mother didn't go and get the children.

Former soldiers, local muscle and a four person TV crew did.

Now, THAT is theft, kidnapping, abduction - whatever you want to call it, when under the local law, the dad is the legal guardian.

It has been revealed that Channel Nine paid the $115,000 Child Abduction Fee.

Meanwhile, they have compensated the Father in exchange for their News Crew release along with Sally Faulkner.

The Child Abduction Mercenaries were left in Lebanon to rot. These were individuals that had served Australia in War as part of the SAS Regiment.

This whole thing stinks, and Channel Nine would hang their head in shame.

On top of this, they have ruined the Mother's chance of ever getting custody of her own children. :roll: :roll: :roll:

That is true too.

The Australian System does side with the mother too much.

Again she is mother and has a greater right to be with children than the grandmother. I dont think Lebanons laws apply much here, they are clearly inadequate if they recognise the father who stole their kids from Australia as sole custodian. Natural rights trump local laws that discriminate against women and are possibly influenced by corruption.

Something doesn't quite sit nice with me about the Mother either.

I agree, now fathers are going to have a much greater time having access to their kids seeing as though a precedent has now been set that stealing kids is acceptable.

Sorry, but that is Sally's side of the story.

We haven'y heard much about the Father's side of the story and the children have not been asked who they would like to stay with.

I am not convinced on anything other than Channel Nine's criminality in this matter. They paid mercenaries to kidnap children in Lebanon. This is a very serious crime.

Why are laws that discriminate against fathers acceptable but laws that accept against mothers are not?

I think it is incredibly arrogant to so blatantly disregard laws as inadequate.

Out legal system also discriminates against men. But even if there were no discrimination, to say that their laws are inadequate and that our are somewhat superior is extremely foolish.

This.

What a surprise, that sounds exactly like what Faulker did in the first place. :oops:

You've literally just justified his actions you fucking dope. Now you can stop slagging him solely because you don't like the middle east.

Imagine the outrage if Al Jazeera hired a Lebanese child protection agency to kidnap the kids from Australia....the Australian public will be calling for the tv station to be blacklisted as a terrorist group.
Both parties are in the wrong ...husband and wife, but channel 9 and a portion sides with the mother because they are Aussies.

If the lady was not a blonde haired, Aussie , no one would give a shit

Edited by Socawho: 22/4/2016 02:10:41 AM

When did you chug so much leftie cordial rofl?

Checked your pulse lately? You dont seem to be the same rusty.

-PB

I think it's a crime to steal kids from their mother on the pretense of going on a holiday. Isn't that a crime? Isn't he in the very least an asshole? Were the kids informed whether they would like to go and live in Lebanon and be separated from their mother permanently?

I really can't believe people are defending this chap, he's done exactly what so many mothers have done to fathers by denying access to their kids. You can't have a double standard where in Lebanon it's acceptable and legal for fathers to steal their kids and the time a different rule where in Australian courts rule unjustly against fathers. If it's fine for Lebanon to fuck mothers over it's fine for Australia to fuck fathers over. Double standards, folks just can't see past their petty little gender prejudice.

Were the kids informed whether they would like to go and live permanently in Australia and be separated from their father permanently?

Lebanon is not a signatory to the Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction and as such it is a criminal offence under the jurisdiction of Lebanese law to conduct or be a party to a racketeering activity by way of kidnapping/abducting a child in connection with a child custody dispute.

Nothing more, nothing less than that. Ch 9 has its grubby hands all over this one.

Anything else about who deserves to parent the children is trivial at this point in time.

I'm not debating morals here. I am saying you can't go stealing children in a foreign country no matter how up in arms the CWA or Tracey Grimshaw gets. Morality does not come in to the question. Just because one law was broken doesn't mean you can just do as you please with all the other laws. Again, did the mother even try to obtain the children back legally? Did she at least try and go through the court system? If not then please do not pass go, do not collect $200 and go straight to jail.

It's true that our legal system often discriminates against fathers, but that doesn't justify Lebanon's systematic , embedded and cultural discrimination of women and mothers. Lebanese women can't even divorce their husbands, they need his approval, but the husband is allowed to terminate the marriage at will. I don't think its controversial to say that Lebanon's legal system is currently less evolved than ours, even though ours is far from perfect and needs work. Ours is fairer, treats men and women more equally, and is influenced much less by corruption.

No you spastic that's his allegation, but he has constantly lied about everything, including whether or not he received payment. There's no reason to believe anything he says, he is totally discredited. Why would she steal the kids from him, rip up their visas, only to let him steal them back?:oops: :oops: :oops: It's completely illogical and preposterous, only someone with a deep seated hatred of white Australian mothers would buy it.

They weren't separated from him permanently. A bomb went off in Lebanon nearly blowing up the kids, she moved the kids to Australia (where they were born) with his consent, he had constant access and visited them many times. The dad claimed the reason he took them back to Lebanon wasn't to reclaim what was stolen from him rather that because he learned that "mummy's friends were sleeping over", and he wasn't ok with that.

Pretty weird having Sally Faulkner posting on the forum

If the roles were reversed and it was learnt that the kids were living with their father in Lebanon, and the mother lied about returning the kids to Australia on a holiday, and broke the agreement to return the kids to Lebanon, I think the public would side with the father. I wouldn't choose sides based on gender, I would figure out what agreements were made, who lied, who connived, who manipulated, the facts etc to determine who is in the right and wrong.

This isn't a blonde haired, blue eyed pro white anti father thing, most of the public sided with the Italian father in the custody battle regarding three sunshine coast daughters a few years ago. Boy people have short memories.

Of course morality comes into the question. Should America try not to rescue captured hostages because it violates ISIS's legal code? Should they first try to go through ISIS's courts to free the hostage? Because Sally Faulkner's gender made it impossible for her to retrieve her children legally due to Lebanon's discrimination of women she was forced to enlist the help of a child recovery agency. IMO her actions may have been illegal according to local law but were completely moral and understandable.

ISIS is an illegitimate state unlike Lebanon so there goes your entire argument. Every legit court in the world tells the jury not to get emotionally involved in a case. Morality has no place in a court of law, it is all about facts. You would be thrown out of proceedings in a heartbeat.
So no, she didn't try and retrieve her children with the help of the Aus government. She just wen't and hired some goons and a TV crew to break the law

We're not a jury though, we don't have to have our moral instincts muffled by another countries inadequate laws that discriminate against women and mothers.

Do you think that if the mother was successful with the recovery operation and returned to Australia that the Australian government would prosecute her on the basis she broke Lebanese laws extradite her and deport the children to Lebanon? No, they would look at facts, that the mother was the legal guardian while in Australia, that the father signed a document that he would return the kids to Australia, that he didn't, that he broke the agreement that would probably constitute a legal contract in Australia, and exculpate her of any legal wrongdoing.

You just played the legal system card.:oops: Men are 100 times more likely to gain custody of children in Lebanon.
Let me get this straight, you don't blame the father who abducted his children for seeking to get his children away from willing to abduct his children? Mind fuck :lol:

Gotta say Rusty, you have swung me around on this. The mother was definitely wrong but the father was no saint either. If what we are saying is he is in the right because the Law didnt stop him, we are also condoning that he obviously duped the mother which is a low act in its self.

No one is saying that the father is a saint. We are saying she is a criminal and deserves to be treated as such. Morals do not come in to play when dealing with the law

Oh yeah, she definitely committed a crime, but there is a clear line of cause and effect going on here rather than just focusing on the point where the crime was committed.
I would say the father basically committed fraud to obtain the children, further to this if the mother had refused to allow the children to leave for the holiday would the father have been the abductor?

The father has never been charged, nor investigated here for taking the children in the first place.

Nobody with a shred of credibility has accused him of even doing anything remotely illegal. In fact, they haven't been able to fling a single piece of shit on him.

That says it all.

(Oh, and Channel Nine it's now been revealed tried to get Mick Gatto and another stand over man to sort it out) Pretty obvious who the bad guys ar ein this situation.