I genuinely believe clubs like Sydney FC and Brisbane hold back crowd numbers by insisting on playing in oversized stadiums. Sydney fc should only play 4 - 6 games a year at SFS. Derbies and big blue + any potential marque games.

I see their first game against MC has been moved to ANZ. I hope thats not because they think they can get a better crowd now that Tim Cahill is there? 

This short term thinking is holding back our game. Look at the bulldogs RL team. They are now playing regular games at Bellmore Sports ground. Even though they could get more going to ANZ. And they are creating a connection to their fans through the amazing atmosphere they experience.

I cant speak for Brisbane as i dot know the area well enough to offer an alternative to Suncorp (even though ballymore has been used successfully for other codes) but SFC have no excuse. 

Awhile ago they were complaining that talk of a new Sutherland / Cronulla team would be taking fron their fan base. Then why dont you fucking play where your fans 'supposedly' exist. There are several perfectly usable stadiums for them to use.

Belmore 
Kogarah 
Shark park

They dont have to play all their games there but 1 or 2 dont hurt. If they do want to represent all of sydney (like they say they do) they would pick an alternative venue for the more standard games. You take out their derby games and their numbers fit very reasonably with any of these alternative stadiums.

And it would encourage people to actually go to the big games at the bigger stadium when played there. It wouldnt be a run of the mill event, but the bigger marquee games.

FFA Cup so far

Newcastle United	Melbourne Victory	Magic Park	1900	32
Redlands United	Adelaide United	Perry Park	1564	32
Brisbane Roar	Perth Glory	Ballymore	3028	32
Devonport City	Lambton Jaffas	Valley Rd Devonport	2418	32
Melbourne Knights	Cockburn City	Knights Stadium	1864	32
Wollongong Wolves	Sydney FC	WIN Stadium	8029	32
Blacktown City	Sydney United	Lily Homes Stadium	877	32
Far NQ Heat	Edgeworth Eagles	Barlow Park	1379	32
Hume City	Marconi	ABD Stadium	913	32
Rovers Darwin	Brisbane Strikers	Darwin Football Stadium	1358	32
Green Gully	Central Coast	Green Gully Reserve	876	32
Wellington	Western Sydney	Campbelltown Stadium	3212	32
Floreat Athena	Melbourne City	Dorrien Gardens	1408	32
NE Metrostars	Bentleigh Greens	Elite Systems Football Centre	958	32
Bonnyrigg WhiteEagles	Manly United	Bonnyrigg Sports Club	327	32
Canberra Olympic	Surfers Paradise Apollo	Deakin Reserve	1253	32
Blacktown City	Bonnyrigg White Eagles	Lily Homes Stadium	630	16
Brisbane Strikers	Melbourne City	Perry Park	3571	16
Canberra Olympic	Redlands United	Deakin Reserve	1089	16
Hume City	Melbourne Victory	ABD Stadium	2866	16

Add to that the Adelaide potential signings. Just need Sydney FC and Brisbane to get there acts together. Hopefully this week sorts the later out.However, as Gough said, "Nothing will save Sydney FC", but God does work in mysterious ways.

Cahill + WSW Spotless + ANZ derbies =

Potentially a big increase. With a big of luck, might be able to get to 14k this season.

Season game changer re attendances with Cahill on board.

Joffa, love your work!

I'm not sure who the rest of the panel are for compiling these attendance figures, but it makes for compelling, objective reading.


It seems that Sydney, Jets and Brisbane often draw big crowds, but because of massive stadia, they look smaller than one would expect.

I see BR bettering last year IF the club get the fans onside prior to the season kicking off eg. (memberhips, engagement)

Last season we averaged 13441 over 13 games in Brisbane (13921 counting the semi-final). Considering the shambles the club was in leading into that season, i'd say those numbers stack up pretty good. We definitely have our peaks and troughs though, the kids promotion over the school holidays for the game against Perth (i think?) worked pretty good as seen below.

BR vs CCM - 14471
BR vs ADE - 10707
BR vs PER - 11748
BR vs MCFC - 10812
BR vs MCFC    - 16435
BR vs PER - 17696
BR vs ADE     - 12923
BR vs CCM    - 11788
BR vs JETS    - 9382
BR vs WSW    - 13157
BR vs MV    - 15892
BR vs SFC    - 14897
BR vs JETS    - 14825


Edited by Stabilo: 29/7/2016 09:42:45 AM

Well the 'second marquee' rule came in very late last season. And now they essentially have the ability to have 3 marquees, pending the 3rd meets certain criteria.

Would be good to see the clubs sign some quality players.

This is just another reason why the next broadcast deal is so important. If FFA can get close to double for the rights, that might help even further when it comes to funding the clubs, so then maybe the owners will splurge a little more on marquees. Maybe...

Only negative has been Brisbane so far. Therefore should see some good increases. Hopefully SFC and Victory can bring some marquees to the table which would be a bonus.

I think with proper marketing it can definitely increase compared to the last few seasons. The derby will add a decent chunk at the start.

Marquees will help.

But more importantly, my mind is already jumping to the future (2017-18). If the FFA can negotiate the right kind of broadcast deal, we might just see our highest average then. I think this season will be like a bridge to the future of our game. I'm just praying they don't fark it up.

Early rough prediction for season ahead - haven't looked into fixturing much except for who hosts 2 derbies:

Adelaide - 12k (up) no Adelaide oval game, but 2 games vs victory, plus bigger membership base.
Sydney - 14k (down) 1 derby, can't see it maintaining / increasing unless a big marquee is signed.
Wanderers - 23k (massive up) 70% capacity at new stadium - in line with parra + 2 X 65,000 for derbies. Reasonable I believe
Victory - 24k (up) 2 derbies + likely improvement
Brisbane - 13k (same) no reason at this stage to go either way
City - 11k (same) likely bigger membership base however 1 derby only. Need a big marquee to boost crowds.
Newcastle - 11k (up) new owner, only indicators to increase
Perth - 12k (massive up) stability, home grown talent, form at end of season, starting with high expectations
Mariners - 6k (down) worried about them, no reason to increase... Likely membership drop
Wellington - 10k (up) should increase, generally bigger crowds when play at one off venues across NZ. Chances are will finish higher on the ladder this year with a better squad.

136k total, meaning 13,600 round average which would represent the 2nd biggest overall and a big jump on PY.

Of course, with a big marquee or two signed by Sydney + City in particular and these should increase a fair bit more.

Both individual clubs should increase by 2-3k plus other clubs from spillage effects. Could be the most ever! Fingers crossed

Wanderers have way better average crowds in comparison with NZ Knights

Games with less than 5k attendance Seasons 1-11 NOT including Finals matches. Total season games in brackets

Season One 10(84) 11.9%
Season Two 12(84) 14.3%
Season Three Nil(84) 0.00%
Season Four Nil(84) 0.00%
Season Five 13(135) 9.6%
Season Six 34(165) 25.2%
Season Seven 15(135) 11.11%
Season Eight 5(135) 3.7%
Season Nine Nil(135)0.0%
Season Ten 2(135)0.2%
Season Eleven 1(135)0.7%

Games between 5k and 10k attendance Seasons 1-11 Not including Finals. Total season games in brackets

Season One 28(84) 33.33%
Season Two 22(84) 26.9%
Season Three 20(84) 23.8%
Season Four 38(84) 45.2%
Season Five 79(135) 58.5%
Season Six 82(165) 49.7%
Season Seven 54(135) 40.0%
Season Eight 56(135) 41.4%
Season Nine 46(135)34%
Season Ten 60(135)44.4%
Season Eleven 53(135)39.3%

Games between 10k - 15k attendance Seasons 1-11 NOT including Finals matches. Total season games in brackets

Season One 31(84) 36.9%
Season Two 26(84) 31.0%
Season Three 34(84) 40.5%
Season Four 28(84) 33.33%
Season Five 24(135) 17.8%
Season Six 36(165) 23.63%
Season Seven 48(135)35.6%
Season Eight 39(135) 28.9%
Season Nine 48(135)35.6%
Season Ten 44(135)32.6%
Season Eleven 54(135)40.0%

Games with between 15k - 20k attendance Seasons 1-11 NOT including Finals matches. Total season games in brackets

Season One 11(84) 13.1%
Season Two 12(84) 14.3%
Season Three 16(84) 19.0%
Season Four 7(84) 8.3%
Season Five 11(135) 8.1%
Season Six 7(165) 4.2%
Season Seven 10(135) 7.4%
Season Eight 21(135) 15.6%
Season Nine 27(135) 20.0%
Season Ten 12(135)8.9%
Season Eleven 13(135)9.6%

Games with more than 20k attendance Seasons 1- 11 NOT including Finals matches. Total season games in brackets

Season One 4(84) 4.8%
Season Two 12(84) 14.3%
Season Three 14(84) 16.7%
Season Four 11(84) 13.1%
Season Five 8(135) 5.9%
Season Six 6(165) 4.4%
Season Seven 8(135) 5.9%
Season Eight 14(135) 10.4%
Season Nine 14(135)10.4%
Season Ten 17(135)12.6%
Season Eleven 14(135)10.4%

Games under 10k attendance Seasons 1-11 Not including Finals. Total season games in brackets

Season One 38(84) 45.2%
Season Two 34(84) 40.5%
Season Three 20(84) 23.8%
Season Four 56(84) 66.7%
Season Five 79(135) 58.5%
Season Six 116(165) 70.3%
Season Seven 69(135) 51.1%
Season Eight 61(135) 45.2%
Season Nine 46(135)34.1%
Season Ten 62(135)45.9%
Season Eleven 54(135)40.0%

Games above 10k attendance Seasons 1-11 NOT including Finals matches. Total season games in brackets

Season One 46(84) 54.8%
Season Two 50(84) 59.5%
Season Three 64(84) 76.2%
Season Four 28(84) 33.33%
Season Five 56(135) 41.5%
Season Six 49(165) 29.7%
Season Seven 66(135)48.9%
Season Eight 74(135) 54.8%
Season Nine 89(135)65.9%
Season Ten 73(135)54.1%
Season Eleven 81(135)60.0%

Regular Season

Season Nine(135) 1,761,161
Season Ten(135) - 1,689,510
Season Eleven(135) 1,662,729
Season Eight(135) 1,661,830
Season Seven(135) 1,415,782
Season Six(165) 1,384,902 .
Season Five(135) 1,322,475
Season Three(84) 1,227,273
Season Two(84) 1,085,829
Season Four(84) 1,023,147
Season One(84) 920,219


Regular Season Averages by season

Season One 10,955
Season Two 12,927
Season Three 14,610
Season Four 12,180
Season Five 9,796
Season Six 8,393
Season Seven 10,487
Season Eight 12,310
Season Nine 13,046
Season Ten 12,515
Season Eleven 12,317


Season average, by average

Season Three 14,610
Season Nine 13,046
Season Two 12,927
Season Ten 12,515
Season Eleven 12,317
Season Eight 12,310
Season Four 12,180
Season One 10,955
Season Seven 10,487
Season Five 9,796
Season Six 8,393

Finals Attendances

Season One(6)126,237
Season Two(6)177,672
Season Three(6)154,118
Season Four(6)143,819
Season Five(7)151,206
Season Six(7)121,635
Season Seven(7)119,147
Season Eight(5) 105,255
Season Nine (5) 128,566
Season Ten (6) 137,825
Season Eleven (5) 117,122

Regular season plus finals

Season Nine(135) 1,761,161 + (5) 128,566 = 1,889,727
Season Ten(135) 1,689,510 + (5) 137,825 = 1,827,335
Season Eleven(135) 1,662,729+ (5) 117,122 = 1,779,851
Season Eight(135) 1,661,830 + (5) 105,255 = 1,767,085
Season Seven(135) 1,415,782 +(7)119,147 = 1,534,929
Season Six(165) 1,384,902 +(7)121,635 = 1,506,537
Season Five(135) 1,322,475 +(7)151,206 = 1,473,681
Season Three(84) 1,227,273 + (6)154,118 = 1,381,391
Season Two(84) 1,085,829 + (6)177,672 = 1,263,501
Season Four(84) 1,023,147 + (6)143,819 = 1,166,966
Season One(84) 920,219 + (6)126,237 = 1,046,456


Season One(84) 920,219 + (6)126,237 = 1,046,456
Season Two(84) 1,085,829 + (6)177,672 = 1,263,501
Season Three(84) 1,227,273 + (6)154,118 = 1,381,391
Season Four(84) 1,023,147 + (6)143,819 = 1,166,966
Season Five(135) 1,322,475 +(7)151,206 = 1,473,681
Season Six(165) 1,384,902 +(7)121,635 = 1,506,537
Season Seven(135) 1,415,782 +(7)119,147 = 1,534,929
Season Eight(135) 1,661,830 + (5)105,255= 1,767,085
Season Nine(135) 1,761,161 + (5) 128,566 = 1,889,727
Season Ten(135) 1,689,510 + (4) 137,825 = 1,827,335
Season Eleven(135) 1,662,729+ (5) 117,122 = 1,779,851

Season 2014/15 thread

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=postmessage&f=1


Whole season averages by club

10,955
12,927
14,610
12,180
9,796
8,393
10,487
12,310
13,041
12,51 5

Adelaide United

10,948
12,162
12,697
11,712
10,765
11,552
8,083
9,802
11,225
12,644
11,287

Brisbane Roar

14,785
16,465
16,951
12,995
8,652
9,279
13,157
13,417
14,957
11,660
12,850

Central Coast Mariners

7,899
9,828
12,738
10,465
7,426
7,713
9,607
9,921
9,398
7,585
8,111

Melbourne City

–
–
–
–
–
8,312
9,082
8,484
9,933
10,374

Melbourne Victory

14,158
27,728
26,064
24,516
21,105
15,234
20,281
23,089
21,808
25,388
23,112

Newcastle Jets

8,912
11,442
13,177
9,729
6,340
8,429
12,117
13,389
11,949
8,968
9,586

Perth Glory

9,734
7,671
7,606
7,942
9,209
8,488
8,309
9,043
9,418
9,540
8,986
Sydney FC

16,669
14,999
16,382
12,380
12,987
7,656
11,861
18,633
18,682
17,406
16,071

Wellington Phoenix

–
–
11,684
7,193
8,965
7,981
8,691
7,176
8,201
8,583
8,042

Western Sydney

12,610
14,860
12,520
14,297

Whole season

10,955
12,927
14,610
12,180
9,796
8,393
10,488
12,566
13,041
12,515
12,309

Defunct teams

Gold Coast United

–
–
–
–
5,392
3,434
3,546
–

New Zealand Knights

3,909
3,014
–
–
–
–
–
–

North Queensland Fury

–
–
–
–
6,723
4,245
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-


Attendances Seasons 1-12 Sydney clubs Home and Away Seasons only

2005/06 - 255,421
2006/07 - 171,098
2007/08 - 180,107
2008/09 - 123,754
2009/10 - 181,816
2010/11 - 114,834
2011/12 - 166,052
2012/13 - 416,798
2013/14 - 454,721
2014/15 - 401,560
2015/16 - 410,865

Attendances Seasons 1-12 Melbourne clubs Home and Away Seasons only

2005/06 - 141,578
2006/07 - 407,860
2007/08 - 260,642
2008/09 - 269,671
2009/10 - 290,503
2010/11 - 353,242
2011/12 - 390,790
2012/13 - 417,680
2013/14 - 422,566
2014/15 - 490,295
2015/16 - 455,109
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_A-League#Crowds

Season 2014/15

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2237680

last seasons thread

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=103030


Edited by Joffa: 20/6/2016 06:22:47 PM