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			    Yes, I would like to openly declare that I no longer have any affiliation to AUFC and that I will not be going to ANY of their games, or let my family attend, until the A League becomes less plastic. If and when SMFC and my old club of West Adelaide join with Adelaide City and enter the A League, then I will re-engage. Until then, c'mon West Adelaide in the NPL and our ally Adelaide City!  The plastic AUFC logo is also gone and replaced with the non plastic West Adelaide logo!                   
			    				
			                        
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    I hope you realise that 442 forums is plastic and that you should feel encouraged to extend your noble gesture of boycotting all that is plastic.
  I fully support you in your lifelong endeavour.
                  
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    11.mvfc.11 wrote:Not your best wind up
  4/10 for effort  No wind up. I am being serious. Don't really care who get's upset or not. They shouldn't get upset at all, but some people just have no clue. If people don't do things like this, or express their opinions openly and freely, then the FFA will not know that there are issues out there and that the Football Community is divided. These sentiments are hardly uncommon.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    SWandP wrote:I hope you realise that 442 forums is plastic and that you should feel encouraged to extend your noble gesture of boycotting all that is plastic.
  I fully support you in your lifelong endeavour.
 
   No 442 forum is fine, and I enjoy being here. It's interesting, to say the least...                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote: less plastic.  how much less ?                
			    				
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			    Aikhme wrote:SWandP wrote:I hope you realise that 442 forums is plastic and that you should feel encouraged to extend your noble gesture of boycotting all that is plastic.
  I fully support you in your lifelong endeavour.
 
   No 442 forum is fine, and I enjoy being here. It's interesting, to say the least...  I too support you!!!! If only Greece qualified for Euros, so you could watch some football, no A-League, no Greece, must be lonely place. I feel for you.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    robbos wrote:Aikhme wrote:SWandP wrote:I hope you realise that 442 forums is plastic and that you should feel encouraged to extend your noble gesture of boycotting all that is plastic.
  I fully support you in your lifelong endeavour.
 
   No 442 forum is fine, and I enjoy being here. It's interesting, to say the least...  I too support you!!!! If only Greece qualified for Euros, so you could watch some football, no A-League, no Greece, must be lonely place. I feel for you.  No I watch the Euros. That's not plastic. Doesn't matter if Greece didn't qualify. Maybe they will qualify next time. They aren't exactly excluded from the competition. It's merit based.  Love the European Cup. The NPL, European Cup and EPL is my Football fix.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    View from the fence wrote:Aikhme wrote: less plastic.  how much less ?  They are more metallic, probably close to Titanium or at the very least GOLD! :lol:                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Wow, a plastic starts a thread to complain about plastics. Truly bizarre.                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Someguy wrote:Wow, a plastic starts a thread to complain about plastics. Truly bizarre.   What seems to be the problem? You shouldn't be concerned with the threads I start, and steer clear if you don't like them.  Edited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 12:10:43 PM                
			    				
			                        
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    The gif isn't quite right! The white corners weren't cut out. Where is the attention to detail? Plastic! :lol:  Some things never change. Edited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 12:11:17 PM                
			    				
			                        
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Wow, a plastic starts a thread to complain about plastics. Truly bizarre.   What seems to be the problem. You shouldn't be concerned with the threads I start, and steer clear if you don't like them.   I'm not that concerned, it's genuinely funny that the truest kind of plastic is whinging about plastics.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Wow, a plastic starts a thread to complain about plastics. Truly bizarre.   What seems to be the problem. You shouldn't be concerned with the threads I start, and steer clear if you don't like them.   I'm not that concerned, it's genuinely funny that the truest kind of plastic is whinging about plastics.   Then how is plastic suppose to lift its game and lift the bar if no one is allowed to complain about plastic? Plastic argument there! :lol:                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Wow, a plastic starts a thread to complain about plastics. Truly bizarre.   What seems to be the problem. You shouldn't be concerned with the threads I start, and steer clear if you don't like them.   I'm not that concerned, it's genuinely funny that the truest kind of plastic is whinging about plastics.   Then how is plastic suppose to lift its game and lift the bar if no one is allowed to complain about plastic? Plastic argument there! :lol:   Let's check the facts here: Number of Clubs "supported": 4 Numbers of Countries you "support" clubs in: 4 Number of clubs outside of top division: 1 (25%) Changes "support": Yes Definitely a plastic. None of them on their own mean much, but having 4 clubs, and changing one suddenly for a weak reason (to do with the league as you put it), suggests that you're as plastic as they come.  This is either brilliant satire or you're a self hating plastic.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Wow, a plastic starts a thread to complain about plastics. Truly bizarre.   What seems to be the problem. You shouldn't be concerned with the threads I start, and steer clear if you don't like them.   I'm not that concerned, it's genuinely funny that the truest kind of plastic is whinging about plastics.   Then how is plastic suppose to lift its game and lift the bar if no one is allowed to complain about plastic? Plastic argument there! :lol:   Let's check the facts here: Number of Clubs "supported": 4 Numbers of Countries you "support" clubs in: 4 Number of clubs outside of top division: 1 (25%) Changes "support": Yes Definitely a plastic. None of them on their own mean much, but having 4 clubs, and changing one suddenly for a weak reason (to do with the league as you put it), suggests that you're as plastic as they come.  This is either brilliant satire or you're a self hating plastic.   I don't discriminate against countries nor exlude others from competition.  It took me 12 years to attend an A League game, and boy, what a mistake that was. I went looking for my Ithaca and found a plastic factory! :lol:                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:I don't discriminate against countries nor exlude others from competition. 
  It took me 12 years to attend an A League game, and boy, what a mistake that was.
  I went looking for my Ithaca and found a plastic factory! :lol:   You mean you're a plastic.  12 years to actually attend an A-league game though, why even bother with a thread like this if you were only ever a plastic keyboard warrior?                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:I don't discriminate against countries nor exlude others from competition. 
  It took me 12 years to attend an A League game, and boy, what a mistake that was.
  I went looking for my Ithaca and found a plastic factory! :lol:   You mean you're a plastic.  12 years to actually attend an A-league game though, why even bother with a thread like this if you were only ever a plastic keyboard warrior?  12 years means I'm definately not plastic or a little sheep. I say what I mean and do what I say! :lol:  Plastic straw man argument! :lol:                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:I don't discriminate against countries nor exlude others from competition. 
  It took me 12 years to attend an A League game, and boy, what a mistake that was.
  I went looking for my Ithaca and found a plastic factory! :lol:   You mean you're a plastic.  12 years to actually attend an A-league game though, why even bother with a thread like this if you were only ever a plastic keyboard warrior?  12 years to attend a League that 11 years old                  
			    				
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			    Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:I don't discriminate against countries nor exlude others from competition. 
  It took me 12 years to attend an A League game, and boy, what a mistake that was.
  I went looking for my Ithaca and found a plastic factory! :lol:   You mean you're a plastic.  12 years to actually attend an A-league game though, why even bother with a thread like this if you were only ever a plastic keyboard warrior?  12 years means I'm definately not plastic or a little sheep. I say what I mean and do what I say! :lol:  Plastic straw man argument! :lol:   Wait... so you're saying that taking 12 years to actually attend a game for Adelaide meant you weren't a plastic.  Boy, plastics have weird logic at times. The odd part is they're usually complaining about "plastics".  Anyhow, have a nice day Plaikhsticme.  View from the fence wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:I don't discriminate against countries nor exlude others from competition. 
  It took me 12 years to attend an A League game, and boy, what a mistake that was.
  I went looking for my Ithaca and found a plastic factory! :lol:   You mean you're a plastic.  12 years to actually attend an A-league game though, why even bother with a thread like this if you were only ever a plastic keyboard warrior?  12 years to attend a League that 11 years old   Give the plastic the benefit of the doubt, Adelaide United existed before the A-league.  Edited by Someguy: 22/6/2016 12:32:49 PM                
			    				
			                        
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Adelaide City and West Adelaide allies? I think you got your wires crossed a bit matey.
   Also United was created by South Australian football to represent South Australian football specifically cause city wasn't able to play NSL anymore. So before the aleague era. I guess some people a too young to remember that though.
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			    Capac wrote:Adelaide City and West Adelaide allies? I think you got your wires crossed a bit matey.
   Also United was created by South Australian football to represent South Australian football specifically cause city wasn't able to play NSL anymore. So before the aleague era. I guess some people a too young to remember that though.
  Edited by capac: 22/6/2016 12:34:21 PM  I remember the good old days. There was never anything malicious between Adelaide City and West Adelaide. Just some on field rivaly. The 2 committees, regularly had joint meetings, functions, and everyone would visit the home teams bars, players including. Spirits were always good.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    View from the fence wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:I don't discriminate against countries nor exlude others from competition. 
  It took me 12 years to attend an A League game, and boy, what a mistake that was.
  I went looking for my Ithaca and found a plastic factory! :lol:   You mean you're a plastic.  12 years to actually attend an A-league game though, why even bother with a thread like this if you were only ever a plastic keyboard warrior?  12 years to attend a League that 11 years old   A League was established in 2004.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:I don't discriminate against countries nor exlude others from competition. 
  It took me 12 years to attend an A League game, and boy, what a mistake that was.
  I went looking for my Ithaca and found a plastic factory! :lol:   You mean you're a plastic.  12 years to actually attend an A-league game though, why even bother with a thread like this if you were only ever a plastic keyboard warrior?  12 years means I'm definately not plastic or a little sheep. I say what I mean and do what I say! :lol:  Plastic straw man argument! :lol:   Wait... so you're saying that taking 12 years to actually attend a game for Adelaide meant you weren't a plastic.  Boy, plastics have weird logic at times. The odd part is they're usually complaining about "plastics".  Anyhow, have a nice day Plaikhsticme.  View from the fence wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:I don't discriminate against countries nor exlude others from competition. 
  It took me 12 years to attend an A League game, and boy, what a mistake that was.
  I went looking for my Ithaca and found a plastic factory! :lol:   You mean you're a plastic.  12 years to actually attend an A-league game though, why even bother with a thread like this if you were only ever a plastic keyboard warrior?  12 years to attend a League that 11 years old   Give the plastic the benefit of the doubt, Adelaide United existed before the A-league.  Edited by Someguy: 22/6/2016 12:32:49 PM 12 years of not attending a game because of the plasticness which continues till this day!                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:View from the fence wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:I don't discriminate against countries nor exlude others from competition. 
  It took me 12 years to attend an A League game, and boy, what a mistake that was.
  I went looking for my Ithaca and found a plastic factory! :lol:   You mean you're a plastic.  12 years to actually attend an A-league game though, why even bother with a thread like this if you were only ever a plastic keyboard warrior?  12 years to attend a League that 11 years old   A League was established in 2004.   I've not watched the HAL for over 40 years                
			    				
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			    Shame to lose a real authentic Everton supporter, who obviously grew up in Merseyside supporting the local club of his boyhood, who is such the real deal he refuses to buy Everton strips as now it's just a big commercial money making exercise aimed at people in places with no real connection to the club
  you could've taught us so much...                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote: I don't discriminate against countries nor exlude others from competition. 
  It took me 12 years to attend an A League game, and boy, what a mistake that was.
  I went looking for my Ithaca and found a plastic factory! :lol: 
  From 1st May, 2016 Aikhme wrote:Fantastic day at the Football. Crowd was 50,119.
  The atmosphere was electric but both sides couldn't play their attractive football because of the surface I gather. 
  Adelaide well and truly dominated most of the game but WSW gave it a good shake after they scored their goal to make it 2-1.
  This was a great spectacle for a League Football, and a great endorsement for the game. It gives our code and AUFC great momentum  Lock and ban.                
			    				
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			    tsf wrote:Shame to lose a real authentic Everton supporter, who obviously grew up in Merseyside supporting the local club of his boyhood, who is such the real deal he refuses to buy Everton strips as now it's just a big commercial money making exercise aimed at people in places with no real connection to the club
  you could've taught us so much...  I got 3 Everton strips. And I have been to more Everton Games than plastic AUFC. :cool:  I go every year btw!And I go for free. :cool:                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    The Maco wrote:lock+ban+purge the forum  Shame so many people want to silence points of view they don't like! So plastic and salty! :lol:                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    sydneyfc1987 wrote:Aikhme wrote: I don't discriminate against countries nor exlude others from competition. 
  It took me 12 years to attend an A League game, and boy, what a mistake that was.
  I went looking for my Ithaca and found a plastic factory! :lol: 
  From 1st May, 2016 Aikhme wrote:Fantastic day at the Football. Crowd was 50,119.
  The atmosphere was electric but both sides couldn't play their attractive football because of the surface I gather. 
  Adelaide well and truly dominated most of the game but WSW gave it a good shake after they scored their goal to make it 2-1.
  This was a great spectacle for a League Football, and a great endorsement for the game. It gives our code and AUFC great momentum  Lock and ban.   People make mistakes. It was a great day, but also very plastic!                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    So what exactly is so plastic about the A-League?
  Assuming from a few comments about "merit" that you'd like promotion and relegation. Fair enough, but this is an economic sustainability reason, nothing to do with being plastic. How many seasons did the NSL have promotion and relegation?? (Believe most the time it happened during the NSL era due to financial constraints / admin more so than merits, I think this is what the FFA are trying to avoid ... hence for the recent consolidation of the league instead of rapid expansion).
  The club's logo was another I think you mentioned as plastic ... well considering the age of the competition it would be expected most have fairly modern logos (slowly teams have been changing this over time, e.g. Roar, Melbourne City). Hardly a reason to support or not support a team though.                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    tsf wrote:Shame to lose a real authentic Everton supporter, who obviously grew up in Merseyside supporting the local club of his boyhood, who is such the real deal he refuses to buy Everton strips as now it's just a big commercial money making exercise aimed at people in places with no real connection to the club
  you could've taught us so much...  I think both his parents are from there                
			    				
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			    sokorny wrote:So what exactly is so plastic about the A-League?
  Assuming from a few comments about "merit" that you'd like promotion and relegation. Fair enough, but this is an economic sustainability reason, nothing to do with being plastic. How many seasons did the NSL have promotion and relegation?? (Believe most the time it happened during the NSL era due to financial constraints / admin more so than merits, I think this is what the FFA are trying to avoid ... hence for the recent consolidation of the league instead of rapid expansion).
  The club's logo was another I think you mentioned as plastic ... well considering the age of the competition it would be expected most have fairly modern logos (slowly teams have been changing this over time, e.g. Roar, Melbourne City). Hardly a reason to support or not support a team though.  Yes to promotion and relogation. That would be a good start. Something about 10 team leagues too. Oh, and I think clubs like SMFC have their right of place. West Adelaide and Adelaide City too and others.  Many things can be don't to reduce the amount of plastic! :lol:  Edited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 01:03:42 PM                
			    				
			                        
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    View from the fence wrote:tsf wrote:Shame to lose a real authentic Everton supporter, who obviously grew up in Merseyside supporting the local club of his boyhood, who is such the real deal he refuses to buy Everton strips as now it's just a big commercial money making exercise aimed at people in places with no real connection to the club
  you could've taught us so much...  I think both his parents are from there  Cousin use to play for the club! :cool:                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    I thought this day would never come!
  Thank you Aikhme, you can start posting on your main account again <3                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    On your way then. Seriously don't understand why you would think anyone would care or be 'upset'? If you can only support football if it waves the flag of where your ancestors used to live then you really can't be much of a football supporter                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    West Adelaide Soccer Club. Soccer to me is as plastic as it gets. If I were you I'd ditch West Adelaide before Adelaide United :d                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:sokorny wrote:So what exactly is so plastic about the A-League?
  Assuming from a few comments about "merit" that you'd like promotion and relegation. Fair enough, but this is an economic sustainability reason, nothing to do with being plastic. How many seasons did the NSL have promotion and relegation?? (Believe most the time it happened during the NSL era due to financial constraints / admin more so than merits, I think this is what the FFA are trying to avoid ... hence for the recent consolidation of the league instead of rapid expansion).
  The club's logo was another I think you mentioned as plastic ... well considering the age of the competition it would be expected most have fairly modern logos (slowly teams have been changing this over time, e.g. Roar, Melbourne City). Hardly a reason to support or not support a team though.  Yes to promotion and relogation. That would be a good start. Something about 10 team leagues too. Oh, and I think clubs like SMFC have their right of place. Many things can be don't to reduce the amount of plastic! :lol:   How does that stop you supporting Adelaide United though? Why do SMFC have a "right"?? Souths have won the Vic NPL twice since 2004 (start of the A-League). They aren't exactly banging on the door from a merit based POV.  Sure it would be great to have more teams in the comp but due to economic stability and the popularity of the sport in Australia (and the size of the nation) it isn't feasible atm. Shouldn't therefore your impetus be to support the single team representing your area?? If Adelaide were getting sell outs each week, had a huge supporter base etc. etc. wouldn't this be the best way to highlight the credentials of Adelaide to support a second team??                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Redcarded wrote:On your way then. Seriously don't understand why you would think anyone would care or be 'upset'? If you can only support football if it waves the flag of where your ancestors used to live then you really can't be much of a football supporter  Don't particularly care to be honest. I am just trying to help you be less plastic!                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    robstazzz wrote:West Adelaide Soccer Club. Soccer to me is as plastic as it gets. If I were you I'd ditch West Adelaide before Adelaide United :d   The West Adelaide and Adelaide City merger will address this small aspect of leftover egg ball plastcness in due course! :d                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    sokorny wrote:Aikhme wrote:sokorny wrote:So what exactly is so plastic about the A-League?
  Assuming from a few comments about "merit" that you'd like promotion and relegation. Fair enough, but this is an economic sustainability reason, nothing to do with being plastic. How many seasons did the NSL have promotion and relegation?? (Believe most the time it happened during the NSL era due to financial constraints / admin more so than merits, I think this is what the FFA are trying to avoid ... hence for the recent consolidation of the league instead of rapid expansion).
  The club's logo was another I think you mentioned as plastic ... well considering the age of the competition it would be expected most have fairly modern logos (slowly teams have been changing this over time, e.g. Roar, Melbourne City). Hardly a reason to support or not support a team though.  Yes to promotion and relogation. That would be a good start. Something about 10 team leagues too. Oh, and I think clubs like SMFC have their right of place. Many things can be don't to reduce the amount of plastic! :lol:   How does that stop you supporting Adelaide United though? Why do SMFC have a "right"?? Souths have won the Vic NPL twice since 2004 (start of the A-League). They aren't exactly banging on the door from a merit based POV.  Sure it would be great to have more teams in the comp but due to economic stability and the popularity of the sport in Australia (and the size of the nation) it isn't feasible atm. Shouldn't therefore your impetus be to support the single team representing your area?? If Adelaide were getting sell outs each week, had a huge supporter base etc. etc. wouldn't this be the best way to highlight the credentials of Adelaide to support a second team??  It is not my team. It's too plastic, I support West Adelaide in the NPL. And yes, SMFC has a greater birthright than any club in Australia!                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:View from the fence wrote:tsf wrote:Shame to lose a real authentic Everton supporter, who obviously grew up in Merseyside supporting the local club of his boyhood, who is such the real deal he refuses to buy Everton strips as now it's just a big commercial money making exercise aimed at people in places with no real connection to the club
  you could've taught us so much...  I think both his parents are from there  Cousin use to play for the club! :cool:   Which one - mum or dad?                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:sokorny wrote:Aikhme wrote:sokorny wrote:So what exactly is so plastic about the A-League?
  Assuming from a few comments about "merit" that you'd like promotion and relegation. Fair enough, but this is an economic sustainability reason, nothing to do with being plastic. How many seasons did the NSL have promotion and relegation?? (Believe most the time it happened during the NSL era due to financial constraints / admin more so than merits, I think this is what the FFA are trying to avoid ... hence for the recent consolidation of the league instead of rapid expansion).
  The club's logo was another I think you mentioned as plastic ... well considering the age of the competition it would be expected most have fairly modern logos (slowly teams have been changing this over time, e.g. Roar, Melbourne City). Hardly a reason to support or not support a team though.  Yes to promotion and relogation. That would be a good start. Something about 10 team leagues too. Oh, and I think clubs like SMFC have their right of place. Many things can be don't to reduce the amount of plastic! :lol:   How does that stop you supporting Adelaide United though? Why do SMFC have a "right"?? Souths have won the Vic NPL twice since 2004 (start of the A-League). They aren't exactly banging on the door from a merit based POV.  Sure it would be great to have more teams in the comp but due to economic stability and the popularity of the sport in Australia (and the size of the nation) it isn't feasible atm. Shouldn't therefore your impetus be to support the single team representing your area?? If Adelaide were getting sell outs each week, had a huge supporter base etc. etc. wouldn't this be the best way to highlight the credentials of Adelaide to support a second team??  It is not my team. It's too plastic, I support West Adelaide in the NPL. And yes, SMFC has a greater birthright than any club in Australia!   Yes you've said they are plastic, but I am asking why?                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    tsf wrote:Aikhme wrote:View from the fence wrote:tsf wrote:Shame to lose a real authentic Everton supporter, who obviously grew up in Merseyside supporting the local club of his boyhood, who is such the real deal he refuses to buy Everton strips as now it's just a big commercial money making exercise aimed at people in places with no real connection to the club
  you could've taught us so much...  I think both his parents are from there  Cousin use to play for the club! :cool:   Which one - mum or dad?   Cousin re. You should read the club's history and perhaps make the connection to the other big non plastic club I support. :cool:                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    sokorny wrote:Aikhme wrote:sokorny wrote:Aikhme wrote:sokorny wrote:So what exactly is so plastic about the A-League?
  Assuming from a few comments about "merit" that you'd like promotion and relegation. Fair enough, but this is an economic sustainability reason, nothing to do with being plastic. How many seasons did the NSL have promotion and relegation?? (Believe most the time it happened during the NSL era due to financial constraints / admin more so than merits, I think this is what the FFA are trying to avoid ... hence for the recent consolidation of the league instead of rapid expansion).
  The club's logo was another I think you mentioned as plastic ... well considering the age of the competition it would be expected most have fairly modern logos (slowly teams have been changing this over time, e.g. Roar, Melbourne City). Hardly a reason to support or not support a team though.  Yes to promotion and relogation. That would be a good start. Something about 10 team leagues too. Oh, and I think clubs like SMFC have their right of place. Many things can be don't to reduce the amount of plastic! :lol:   How does that stop you supporting Adelaide United though? Why do SMFC have a "right"?? Souths have won the Vic NPL twice since 2004 (start of the A-League). They aren't exactly banging on the door from a merit based POV.  Sure it would be great to have more teams in the comp but due to economic stability and the popularity of the sport in Australia (and the size of the nation) it isn't feasible atm. Shouldn't therefore your impetus be to support the single team representing your area?? If Adelaide were getting sell outs each week, had a huge supporter base etc. etc. wouldn't this be the best way to highlight the credentials of Adelaide to support a second team??  It is not my team. It's too plastic, I support West Adelaide in the NPL. And yes, SMFC has a greater birthright than any club in Australia!   Yes you've said they are plastic, but I am asking why?  No A League is plastic with only ten teams. How plastic?  Plus I got a signed shirt which I have framed and hung in my Billiards room. :cool:  Edited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 01:30:37 PM                
			    				
			                        
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:12 years of not attending a game because of the plasticness which continues till this day!   Benefit of the doubt gone, you're such a plastic that you don't even know that the first A-league match was in August 2005, not 12 years ago yet.  sydneyfc1987 wrote:Aikhme wrote: I don't discriminate against countries nor exlude others from competition. 
  It took me 12 years to attend an A League game, and boy, what a mistake that was.
  I went looking for my Ithaca and found a plastic factory! :lol: 
  From 1st May, 2016 Aikhme wrote:Fantastic day at the Football. Crowd was 50,119.
  The atmosphere was electric but both sides couldn't play their attractive football because of the surface I gather. 
  Adelaide well and truly dominated most of the game but WSW gave it a good shake after they scored their goal to make it 2-1.
  This was a great spectacle for a League Football, and a great endorsement for the game. It gives our code and AUFC great momentum  Lock and ban.   Wowzers! Aikhme wrote:tsf wrote:Shame to lose a real authentic Everton supporter, who obviously grew up in Merseyside supporting the local club of his boyhood, who is such the real deal he refuses to buy Everton strips as now it's just a big commercial money making exercise aimed at people in places with no real connection to the club
  you could've taught us so much...  I got 3 Everton strips. And I have been to more Everton Games than plastic AUFC. :cool:  I go every year btw!And I go for free. :cool:   Wouldn't call Mommy and Daddy paying "free".  View from the fence wrote:tsf wrote:Shame to lose a real authentic Everton supporter, who obviously grew up in Merseyside supporting the local club of his boyhood, who is such the real deal he refuses to buy Everton strips as now it's just a big commercial money making exercise aimed at people in places with no real connection to the club
  you could've taught us so much...  I think both his parents are from there  The amazing part is a parent from Cyprus, a parent from Liverpool and a parent from Rome.  Aikhme wrote:sokorny wrote:So what exactly is so plastic about the A-League?
  Assuming from a few comments about "merit" that you'd like promotion and relegation. Fair enough, but this is an economic sustainability reason, nothing to do with being plastic. How many seasons did the NSL have promotion and relegation?? (Believe most the time it happened during the NSL era due to financial constraints / admin more so than merits, I think this is what the FFA are trying to avoid ... hence for the recent consolidation of the league instead of rapid expansion).
  The club's logo was another I think you mentioned as plastic ... well considering the age of the competition it would be expected most have fairly modern logos (slowly teams have been changing this over time, e.g. Roar, Melbourne City). Hardly a reason to support or not support a team though.  Yes to promotion and relogation. That would be a good start. Something about 10 team leagues too. Oh, and I think clubs like SMFC have their right of place. West Adelaide and Adelaide City too and others.  Many things can be don't to reduce the amount of plastic! :lol:  Edited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 01:03:42 PM Why do plastics have things against small leagues?  Aikhme wrote:robstazzz wrote:West Adelaide Soccer Club. Soccer to me is as plastic as it gets. If I were you I'd ditch West Adelaide before Adelaide United :d   The West Adelaide and Adelaide City merger will address this small aspect of leftover egg ball plastcness in due course! :d   I've been trying to brush over this because I'm sure it's just satire, but really... how does the merger of the traditional Greek and Italian clubs of the city reduce their plasticness. I'd say that traditional rivals merging would be the very essence of plastic.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:No A League is plastic with only ten teams. How plastic?   What, like the SPL with 12 clubs including Celtic, Rangers, Hearts, Hibs and Aberdeen? Or how about the Swiss Super League with only 10 teams? With Young Boys, Bern, Basel and Grasshopper? Like the Bulgarian league with 10 teams? Including Plovdiv, Levski Sofia and CSKA Sofia? Or the I-League with 9 teams, including Mohun Bagan? How about Ligat HaAl with 8 teams including Maccabi haifa and Hapoel Tel Aviv? Go away.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:robbos wrote:Aikhme wrote:SWandP wrote:I hope you realise that 442 forums is plastic and that you should feel encouraged to extend your noble gesture of boycotting all that is plastic.
  I fully support you in your lifelong endeavour.
 
   No 442 forum is fine, and I enjoy being here. It's interesting, to say the least...  I too support you!!!! If only Greece qualified for Euros, so you could watch some football, no A-League, no Greece, must be lonely place. I feel for you.  No I watch the Euros. That's not plastic. Doesn't matter if Greece didn't qualify. Maybe they will qualify next time. They aren't exactly excluded from the competition. It's merit based.  Love the European Cup. The NPL, European Cup and EPL is my Football fix.   NPL is front of 500 people, I follow Manly United. Enjoy EPL on Optus, European cup, wow, that's going back in time, you'd have to break out the videos.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:tsf wrote:Aikhme wrote:View from the fence wrote:tsf wrote:Shame to lose a real authentic Everton supporter, who obviously grew up in Merseyside supporting the local club of his boyhood, who is such the real deal he refuses to buy Everton strips as now it's just a big commercial money making exercise aimed at people in places with no real connection to the club
  you could've taught us so much...  I think both his parents are from there  Cousin use to play for the club! :cool:   Which one - mum or dad?   Cousin re. You should read the club's history and perhaps make the connection to the other big non plastic club I support. :cool:                    
			    				
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			    robbos wrote:Aikhme wrote:robbos wrote:Aikhme wrote:SWandP wrote:I hope you realise that 442 forums is plastic and that you should feel encouraged to extend your noble gesture of boycotting all that is plastic.
  I fully support you in your lifelong endeavour.
 
   No 442 forum is fine, and I enjoy being here. It's interesting, to say the least...  I too support you!!!! If only Greece qualified for Euros, so you could watch some football, no A-League, no Greece, must be lonely place. I feel for you.  No I watch the Euros. That's not plastic. Doesn't matter if Greece didn't qualify. Maybe they will qualify next time. They aren't exactly excluded from the competition. It's merit based.  Love the European Cup. The NPL, European Cup and EPL is my Football fix.   NPL is front of 500 people, I follow Manly United. Enjoy EPL on Optus, European cup, wow, that's going back in time, you'd have to break out the videos.  You can't compare NPL crowds to A League. Apples and lemons. But at least its not plastic and is the grassroots.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    spfc wrote:does npl stand for non plastic leagues  Good one! I like that! :lol:                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Draupnir wrote:Aikhme wrote:No A League is plastic with only ten teams. How plastic?   What, like the SPL with 12 clubs including Celtic, Rangers, Hearts, Hibs and Aberdeen? Or how about the Swiss Super League with only 10 teams? With Young Boys, Bern, Basel and Grasshopper? Like the Bulgarian league with 10 teams? Including Plovdiv, Levski Sofia and CSKA Sofia? Or the I-League with 9 teams, including Mohun Bagan? How about Ligat HaAl with 8 teams including Maccabi haifa and Hapoel Tel Aviv? Go away.  Oh so you definately are scraping the bottom of the barrel by making that comparison. #-o  So plastic!                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:12 years of not attending a game because of the plasticness which continues till this day!   Benefit of the doubt gone, you're such a plastic that you don't even know that the first A-league match was in August 2005, not 12 years ago yet.  sydneyfc1987 wrote:Aikhme wrote: I don't discriminate against countries nor exlude others from competition. 
  It took me 12 years to attend an A League game, and boy, what a mistake that was.
  I went looking for my Ithaca and found a plastic factory! :lol: 
  From 1st May, 2016 Aikhme wrote:Fantastic day at the Football. Crowd was 50,119.
  The atmosphere was electric but both sides couldn't play their attractive football because of the surface I gather. 
  Adelaide well and truly dominated most of the game but WSW gave it a good shake after they scored their goal to make it 2-1.
  This was a great spectacle for a League Football, and a great endorsement for the game. It gives our code and AUFC great momentum  Lock and ban.   Wowzers! Aikhme wrote:tsf wrote:Shame to lose a real authentic Everton supporter, who obviously grew up in Merseyside supporting the local club of his boyhood, who is such the real deal he refuses to buy Everton strips as now it's just a big commercial money making exercise aimed at people in places with no real connection to the club
  you could've taught us so much...  I got 3 Everton strips. And I have been to more Everton Games than plastic AUFC. :cool:  I go every year btw!And I go for free. :cool:   Wouldn't call Mommy and Daddy paying "free".  View from the fence wrote:tsf wrote:Shame to lose a real authentic Everton supporter, who obviously grew up in Merseyside supporting the local club of his boyhood, who is such the real deal he refuses to buy Everton strips as now it's just a big commercial money making exercise aimed at people in places with no real connection to the club
  you could've taught us so much...  I think both his parents are from there  The amazing part is a parent from Cyprus, a parent from Liverpool and a parent from Rome.  Aikhme wrote:sokorny wrote:So what exactly is so plastic about the A-League?
  Assuming from a few comments about "merit" that you'd like promotion and relegation. Fair enough, but this is an economic sustainability reason, nothing to do with being plastic. How many seasons did the NSL have promotion and relegation?? (Believe most the time it happened during the NSL era due to financial constraints / admin more so than merits, I think this is what the FFA are trying to avoid ... hence for the recent consolidation of the league instead of rapid expansion).
  The club's logo was another I think you mentioned as plastic ... well considering the age of the competition it would be expected most have fairly modern logos (slowly teams have been changing this over time, e.g. Roar, Melbourne City). Hardly a reason to support or not support a team though.  Yes to promotion and relogation. That would be a good start. Something about 10 team leagues too. Oh, and I think clubs like SMFC have their right of place. West Adelaide and Adelaide City too and others.  Many things can be don't to reduce the amount of plastic! :lol:  Edited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 01:03:42 PM Why do plastics have things against small leagues?  Aikhme wrote:robstazzz wrote:West Adelaide Soccer Club. Soccer to me is as plastic as it gets. If I were you I'd ditch West Adelaide before Adelaide United :d   The West Adelaide and Adelaide City merger will address this small aspect of leftover egg ball plastcness in due course! :d   I've been trying to brush over this because I'm sure it's just satire, but really... how does the merger of the traditional Greek and Italian clubs of the city reduce their plasticness. I'd say that traditional rivals merging would be the very essence of plastic.   What, are yous saying no Greek Players have ever played for Everton. What a plastic outlook! :lol:                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:
  It is not my team. It's too plastic,
  I support West Adelaide in the NPL.
  And yes, SMFC has a greater birthright than any club in Australia! 
  Didn't Recoba say something similar about Uruguay's chances in 2005. We all know what happen there!!!!  Birthright is such an old way of thinking!!!! My grandfather was in the army, my dad was in te army, my brother is in the army & hence I will also join the army!!!!                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    robbos wrote:Aikhme wrote:
  It is not my team. It's too plastic,
  I support West Adelaide in the NPL.
  And yes, SMFC has a greater birthright than any club in Australia! 
  Didn't Recoba say something similar about Uruguay's chances in 2005. We all know what happen there!!!!  Birthright is such an old way of thinking!!!! My grandfather was in the army, my dad was in te army, my brother is in the army & hence I will also join the army!!!!  That is why you are so plastic and will soon be recycled into cleaning detergent! :lol:                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    To be fair SMFC does have a birthright The franchises were 2-D printed in a lawyers office Edited by View from the fence: 22/6/2016 01:55:09 PM                
			    				
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			    Aikhme wrote:Yes, I would like to openly declare that I no longer have any affiliation to AUFC and that I will not be going to ANY of their games, or let my family attend                   
			    				
			                        
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:
  What, are yous saying no Greek Players have ever played for Everton.
  What a plastic outlook! :lol: 
  No, but it's pretty plastic to just support a handful of teams because of a tenuous temporary connection. The only recent one that comes to mind is Vellios, but he was pretty awful.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    canonical wrote:Aikhme wrote:Yes, I would like to openly declare that I no longer have any affiliation to AUFC and that I will not be going to ANY of their games, or let my family attend    You see, even the chairs are plastic! :lol:                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:
  What, are yous saying no Greek Players have ever played for Everton.
  What a plastic outlook! :lol: 
  No, but it's pretty plastic to just support a handful of teams because of a tenuous temporary connection. The only recent one that comes to mind is Vellios, but he was pretty awful.   It's called tribalism. It doesn't exist in the plastic world of A League.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    View from the fence wrote:To be fair
  SMFC does have a birthright
  The franchises were 2-D printed in a lawyers office
 
 
  Edited by View from the fence: 22/6/2016 01:55:09 PM  Just wait for the 3D version. It's not far off now.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    you wont let your family attend matches? wind up or not that sounds serial killerish                
			     				
			                        
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Swarth wrote:you wont let your family attend matches? wind up or not that sounds serial killerish   Since they are young kids playing U6s, I think it's still my call to make. I am bringing them up to not like plastic things. :lol:                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:
  What, are yous saying no Greek Players have ever played for Everton.
  What a plastic outlook! :lol: 
  No, but it's pretty plastic to just support a handful of teams because of a tenuous temporary connection. The only recent one that comes to mind is Vellios, but he was pretty awful.   It's called tribalism. It doesn't exist in the plastic world of A League.   Supporting a large set of successful clubs and trying to justify it after the fact, while changing alliances regularly is the very definition of being a plastic. You are the archetype case of being a plastic.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:Swarth wrote:you wont let your family attend matches? wind up or not that sounds serial killerish   Since they are young kids playing U6s, I think it's still my call to make. I am bringing them up to not like plastic things. :lol:   so your entire family consists of young kids who are under 6 years old? some family you got there:lol:                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Swarth wrote:Aikhme wrote:Swarth wrote:you wont let your family attend matches? wind up or not that sounds serial killerish   Since they are young kids playing U6s, I think it's still my call to make. I am bringing them up to not like plastic things. :lol:   so your entire family consists of young kids who are under 6 years old? some family you got there:lol:   Wifey only wants to watch the kids play.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:
  What, are yous saying no Greek Players have ever played for Everton.
  What a plastic outlook! :lol: 
  No, but it's pretty plastic to just support a handful of teams because of a tenuous temporary connection. The only recent one that comes to mind is Vellios, but he was pretty awful.   It's called tribalism. It doesn't exist in the plastic world of A League.   Supporting a large set of successful clubs and trying to justify it after the fact, while changing alliances regularly is the very definition of being a plastic. You are the archetype case of being a plastic.   I haven't changed alliances regularly. My teams have been life long.  AUFC got a brief run off the bench last season but has now been dropped because it's too plastic!                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:
  What, are yous saying no Greek Players have ever played for Everton.
  What a plastic outlook! :lol: 
  No, but it's pretty plastic to just support a handful of teams because of a tenuous temporary connection. The only recent one that comes to mind is Vellios, but he was pretty awful.   It's called tribalism. It doesn't exist in the plastic world of A League.   Supporting a large set of successful clubs and trying to justify it after the fact, while changing alliances regularly is the very definition of being a plastic. You are the archetype case of being a plastic.   I haven't changed alliances regularly. My teams have been life long.  AUFC got a brief run off the bench last season but has now been dropped because it's too plastic!   Have they now. Didn't you suggest your cousin played for Everton being the reason. Either your cousin was playing them them when you were born (I'm unaware of any Greek players for Everton in the era 25-35 years ago) or they're fairly new for your "lifelong list".  You gave so little of a care about the Hellas that you just added them today to replace the "off the bench" AUFC.  The best thing about plastics is how hard they feel they have to argue to pretend they're not. You're a plastic, there's nothing wrong with that (except by your own attacks right now), you need to learn to accept who you are.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme you want WAHellas and Adelaide city to merge ? to what ? to form a composite team which will enter the A league isnt that what AUFC is , a composite team formed for Adelaide ? i dont get it... they are plastic ? if so wont the new team be plastic as well ? i                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Nachoman wrote:Aikhme you want WAHellas and Adelaide city to merge ? to what ? to form a composite team which will enter the A league isnt that what AUFC is , a composite team formed for Adelaide ? i dont get it... they are plastic ? if so wont the new team be plastic as well ? i   Their problem isn't plastics, it's that they want to have something that makes them feel special.  Lifelong fans usually only care about plastics if they're taking their spot, as they are generally a good thing for clubs. Plastics lead to more lifelong fans, more income for the club, and a stronger future, usually people complaining, particularly complaining about the nebulous idea of a "plastic league" are people who lack their own footballing identify and are desperately trying to denigrate something to make their own niche. Most of the time (i.e. this case), these people are plastics themselves.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Nachoman wrote:Aikhme you want WAHellas and Adelaide city to merge ? to what ? to form a composite team which will enter the A league isnt that what AUFC is , a composite team formed for Adelaide ? i dont get it... they are plastic ? if so wont the new team be plastic as well ? i   I don't think a merger is on the cards. West Adelaide and Adelaide City will continue but both are looking into forming a joint venture if you like. There is a major disconnect between the NPL and the A League. Junior fees are at a record level. I paid $1,000 for 2 kids to play U6. And the money is being thrown at AUFC. Many fans, have been excluded. Yes so many attend, but they don't feel the same and then there is the more hardcore that just won't attend. The NPL is being neglected despite it being the grassroots engine room. I also believe there will be benefits to AUFC. The rivalry will be intence, and I believe the new entity will have a big supporter base from the NPL teams.  AUFC is not popular in the NPL, or West Adelaide and Adelaide City.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    View from the fence wrote:Need a thread where 'plastic' is defined  I will come up with a Glossary to define the terms and I will even provide a sliding scale for you! :lol:                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    I'm a South Melbourne nut myself now living on the sunshine coast, initially i didn't like the A league but after ten years, and despite its shortcomings, its actually pretty good. And there's hope that new-Lowy gets the benefit of integrating top to bottom through P/R so mate, drop the plastic BS and climb on board again :)                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:
  What, are yous saying no Greek Players have ever played for Everton.
  What a plastic outlook! :lol: 
  No, but it's pretty plastic to just support a handful of teams because of a tenuous temporary connection. The only recent one that comes to mind is Vellios, but he was pretty awful.   It's called tribalism. It doesn't exist in the plastic world of A League.   Supporting a large set of successful clubs and trying to justify it after the fact, while changing alliances regularly is the very definition of being a plastic. You are the archetype case of being a plastic.   I haven't changed alliances regularly. My teams have been life long.  AUFC got a brief run off the bench last season but has now been dropped because it's too plastic!   Have they now. Didn't you suggest your cousin played for Everton being the reason. Either your cousin was playing them them when you were born (I'm unaware of any Greek players for Everton in the era 25-35 years ago) or they're fairly new for your "lifelong list".  You gave so little of a care about the Hellas that you just added them today to replace the "off the bench" AUFC.  The best thing about plastics is how hard they feel they have to argue to pretend they're not. You're a plastic, there's nothing wrong with that (except by your own attacks right now), you need to learn to accept who you are.   Oh for crying out loud. I've been following them for 20 odd years, and West Adelaide, Apoel, and Lazio since I was a boy. AUFC got a run off the bench last year but has been dropped.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    FullBack4 wrote:I'm a South Melbourne nut myself now living on the sunshine coast, initially i didn't like the A league but after ten years, and despite its shortcomings, its actually pretty good. And there's hope that new-Lowy gets the benefit of integrating top to bottom through P/R so mate, drop the plastic BS and climb on board again :)  Absolutely! Good luck to SMFC!  If SMFC enetr before the West Adelaide and Adelaide City going concern, then I will support them too, because they are not plastic.  Edited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 02:46:04 PM                
			    				
			                        
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:Nachoman wrote:Aikhme you want WAHellas and Adelaide city to merge ? to what ? to form a composite team which will enter the A league isnt that what AUFC is , a composite team formed for Adelaide ? i dont get it... they are plastic ? if so wont the new team be plastic as well ? i   I don't think a merger is on the cards. West Adelaide and Adelaide City will continue but both are looking into forming a joint venture if you like. There is a major disconnect between the NPL and the A League. Junior fees are at a record level. I paid $1,000 for 2 kids to play U6. And the money is being thrown at AUFC. Many fans, have been excluded. Yes so many attend, but they don't feel the same and then there is the more hardcore that just won't attend. The NPL is being neglected despite it being the grassroots engine room. I also believe there will be benefits to AUFC. The rivalry will be intence, and I believe the new entity will have a big supporter base from the NPL teams.  AUFC is not popular in the NPL, or West Adelaide and Adelaide City.  The NPL will cease to be "less plastic" when it introduces P/R to the leagues below it and stops demanding something from the HAL that it's not prepared to implement itself. and I watch more NPL-Q each year than i do HAL                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    FullBack4 wrote:Aikhme wrote:Nachoman wrote:Aikhme you want WAHellas and Adelaide city to merge ? to what ? to form a composite team which will enter the A league isnt that what AUFC is , a composite team formed for Adelaide ? i dont get it... they are plastic ? if so wont the new team be plastic as well ? i   I don't think a merger is on the cards. West Adelaide and Adelaide City will continue but both are looking into forming a joint venture if you like. There is a major disconnect between the NPL and the A League. Junior fees are at a record level. I paid $1,000 for 2 kids to play U6. And the money is being thrown at AUFC. Many fans, have been excluded. Yes so many attend, but they don't feel the same and then there is the more hardcore that just won't attend. The NPL is being neglected despite it being the grassroots engine room. I also believe there will be benefits to AUFC. The rivalry will be intence, and I believe the new entity will have a big supporter base from the NPL teams.  AUFC is not popular in the NPL, or West Adelaide and Adelaide City.  The NPL will cease to be "less plastic" when it introduces P/R to the leagues below it and stops demanding something from the HAL that it's not prepared to implement itself. and I watch more NPL-Q each year than i do HAL  There is promotion and relegation. At least in the NPLSA there is.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    FullBack4 wrote: The NPL will cease to be "less plastic" when it introduces P/R to the leagues below it and stops demanding something from the HAL that it's not prepared to implement itself. and I watch more NPL-Q each year than i do HAL
  To be fair, most other State NPLs have pro/rel to at least one level below it, and some many more.   Queensland is one of only a few that don't.                
			    				
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			    Aikhme wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:Not your best wind up
  4/10 for effort  No wind up. I am being serious. Don't really care who get's upset or not. They shouldn't get upset at all, but some people just have no clue. If people don't do things like this, or express their opinions openly and freely, then the FFA will not know that there are issues out there and that the Football Community is divided. These sentiments are hardly uncommon.   The only person that seems plastic is you mate for jumping ship from one club to another just for shits and giggles. So ur no longer supporting Adelaide United because they changed their logo?? Right oh then.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:
  What, are yous saying no Greek Players have ever played for Everton.
  What a plastic outlook! :lol: 
  No, but it's pretty plastic to just support a handful of teams because of a tenuous temporary connection. The only recent one that comes to mind is Vellios, but he was pretty awful.   It's called tribalism. It doesn't exist in the plastic world of A League.   Supporting a large set of successful clubs and trying to justify it after the fact, while changing alliances regularly is the very definition of being a plastic. You are the archetype case of being a plastic.   I haven't changed alliances regularly. My teams have been life long.  AUFC got a brief run off the bench last season but has now been dropped because it's too plastic!   Have they now. Didn't you suggest your cousin played for Everton being the reason. Either your cousin was playing them them when you were born (I'm unaware of any Greek players for Everton in the era 25-35 years ago) or they're fairly new for your "lifelong list".  You gave so little of a care about the Hellas that you just added them today to replace the "off the bench" AUFC.  The best thing about plastics is how hard they feel they have to argue to pretend they're not. You're a plastic, there's nothing wrong with that (except by your own attacks right now), you need to learn to accept who you are.   Oh for crying out loud. I've been following them for 20 odd years, and West Adelaide, Apoel, and Lazio since I was a boy. AUFC got a run off the bench last year but has been dropped.  So, like a plastic you change teams that easily. Good'oh.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:I don't discriminate against countries nor exlude others from competition. 
  It took me 12 years to attend an A League game, and boy, what a mistake that was.
  I went looking for my Ithaca and found a plastic factory! :lol:   You mean you're a plastic.  12 years to actually attend an A-league game though, why even bother with a thread like this if you were only ever a plastic keyboard warrior?  12 years means I'm definately not plastic or a little sheep. I say what I mean and do what I say! :lol:  Plastic straw man argument! :lol:   Wait... so you're saying that taking 12 years to actually attend a game for Adelaide meant you weren't a plastic.  Boy, plastics have weird logic at times. The odd part is they're usually complaining about "plastics".  Anyhow, have a nice day Plaikhsticme.  View from the fence wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:I don't discriminate against countries nor exlude others from competition. 
  It took me 12 years to attend an A League game, and boy, what a mistake that was.
  I went looking for my Ithaca and found a plastic factory! :lol:   You mean you're a plastic.  12 years to actually attend an A-league game though, why even bother with a thread like this if you were only ever a plastic keyboard warrior?  12 years to attend a League that 11 years old   Give the plastic the benefit of the doubt, Adelaide United existed before the A-league.  Edited by Someguy: 22/6/2016 12:32:49 PM 12 years of not attending a game because of the plasticness which continues till this day!   If by plastic you mean professional then yeah, give me "plastic" over any crap your affiliated clubs were ever able to dish up back in the "good old days".                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    when i'm home i'll post a real reply but for now Aikhme I just want to thank you for providing a little fun for the day at work. I have enjoyed reading this thread, it made me laugh very loudly in the office haha.                
			     				
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			    Aikhme wrote:sydneyfc1987 wrote:Aikhme wrote: I don't discriminate against countries nor exlude others from competition. 
  It took me 12 years to attend an A League game, and boy, what a mistake that was.
  I went looking for my Ithaca and found a plastic factory! :lol: 
  From 1st May, 2016 Aikhme wrote:Fantastic day at the Football. Crowd was 50,119.
  The atmosphere was electric but both sides couldn't play their attractive football because of the surface I gather. 
  Adelaide well and truly dominated most of the game but WSW gave it a good shake after they scored their goal to make it 2-1.
  This was a great spectacle for a League Football, and a great endorsement for the game. It gives our code and AUFC great momentum  Lock and ban.   People make mistakes. It was a great day, but also very plastic!   Hahaha :oops: :oops:  What a clown. Please stop i can't hold the laughter in any longer.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Davo1985 wrote:Aikhme wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:Not your best wind up
  4/10 for effort  No wind up. I am being serious. Don't really care who get's upset or not. They shouldn't get upset at all, but some people just have no clue. If people don't do things like this, or express their opinions openly and freely, then the FFA will not know that there are issues out there and that the Football Community is divided. These sentiments are hardly uncommon.   The only person that seems plastic is you mate for jumping ship from one club to another just for shits and giggles. So ur no longer supporting Adelaide United because they changed their logo?? Right oh then.  No everyone makes a mistake after being on the straight and narrow for 12 years. You live and learn, but I was able to define plastic! :lol:                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:sokorny wrote:So what exactly is so plastic about the A-League?
  Assuming from a few comments about "merit" that you'd like promotion and relegation. Fair enough, but this is an economic sustainability reason, nothing to do with being plastic. How many seasons did the NSL have promotion and relegation?? (Believe most the time it happened during the NSL era due to financial constraints / admin more so than merits, I think this is what the FFA are trying to avoid ... hence for the recent consolidation of the league instead of rapid expansion).
  The club's logo was another I think you mentioned as plastic ... well considering the age of the competition it would be expected most have fairly modern logos (slowly teams have been changing this over time, e.g. Roar, Melbourne City). Hardly a reason to support or not support a team though.  Yes to promotion and relogation. That would be a good start. Something about 10 team leagues too. Oh, and I think clubs like SMFC have their right of place. West Adelaide and Adelaide City too and others.  Many things can be don't to reduce the amount of plastic! :lol:  Edited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 01:03:42 PM We have enough flares in the league as it is. Can't stand any more residing from old NSL resentening teams. It's funny how you go on about merit, yet you then talk about SMFC, West Adelaide and Adelaide City having the divine right to partake. What a fucking joke.  The A-league is desperate to exapand, but guess what, none of these clubs that you mention can even raise the capital to keep afloat at an A-league level. We can't afford to have the FFA literally save more clubs from going under, which they most likely would (Sth Melbourne aside perhaps).  Show me the link that says either Adelaide team has at least $5-$10 million to bring the club up into the A-league fold.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:
  What, are yous saying no Greek Players have ever played for Everton.
  What a plastic outlook! :lol: 
  No, but it's pretty plastic to just support a handful of teams because of a tenuous temporary connection. The only recent one that comes to mind is Vellios, but he was pretty awful.   It's called tribalism. It doesn't exist in the plastic world of A League.   Supporting a large set of successful clubs and trying to justify it after the fact, while changing alliances regularly is the very definition of being a plastic. You are the archetype case of being a plastic.   I haven't changed alliances regularly. My teams have been life long.  AUFC got a brief run off the bench last season but has now been dropped because it's too plastic!   Have they now. Didn't you suggest your cousin played for Everton being the reason. Either your cousin was playing them them when you were born (I'm unaware of any Greek players for Everton in the era 25-35 years ago) or they're fairly new for your "lifelong list".  You gave so little of a care about the Hellas that you just added them today to replace the "off the bench" AUFC.  The best thing about plastics is how hard they feel they have to argue to pretend they're not. You're a plastic, there's nothing wrong with that (except by your own attacks right now), you need to learn to accept who you are.   Oh for crying out loud. I've been following them for 20 odd years, and West Adelaide, Apoel, and Lazio since I was a boy. AUFC got a run off the bench last year but has been dropped.  So, like a plastic you change teams that easily. Good'oh.   That was when I decided I might jump on the AUFC band wagon after 12 years. I am very ashamed of it now, because it is too plastic.  I have always supported West Adelaide, I I sincerely apologize to the club for my disrespect! :cry:                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Davo1985 wrote:Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:I don't discriminate against countries nor exlude others from competition. 
  It took me 12 years to attend an A League game, and boy, what a mistake that was.
  I went looking for my Ithaca and found a plastic factory! :lol:   You mean you're a plastic.  12 years to actually attend an A-league game though, why even bother with a thread like this if you were only ever a plastic keyboard warrior?  12 years means I'm definately not plastic or a little sheep. I say what I mean and do what I say! :lol:  Plastic straw man argument! :lol:   Wait... so you're saying that taking 12 years to actually attend a game for Adelaide meant you weren't a plastic.  Boy, plastics have weird logic at times. The odd part is they're usually complaining about "plastics".  Anyhow, have a nice day Plaikhsticme.  View from the fence wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:I don't discriminate against countries nor exlude others from competition. 
  It took me 12 years to attend an A League game, and boy, what a mistake that was.
  I went looking for my Ithaca and found a plastic factory! :lol:   You mean you're a plastic.  12 years to actually attend an A-league game though, why even bother with a thread like this if you were only ever a plastic keyboard warrior?  12 years to attend a League that 11 years old   Give the plastic the benefit of the doubt, Adelaide United existed before the A-league.  Edited by Someguy: 22/6/2016 12:32:49 PM 12 years of not attending a game because of the plasticness which continues till this day!   If by plastic you mean professional then yeah, give me "plastic" over any crap your affiliated clubs were ever able to dish up back in the "good old days".   Nothing professional about being plastic!                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Davo1985 wrote:Aikhme wrote:sokorny wrote:So what exactly is so plastic about the A-League?
  Assuming from a few comments about "merit" that you'd like promotion and relegation. Fair enough, but this is an economic sustainability reason, nothing to do with being plastic. How many seasons did the NSL have promotion and relegation?? (Believe most the time it happened during the NSL era due to financial constraints / admin more so than merits, I think this is what the FFA are trying to avoid ... hence for the recent consolidation of the league instead of rapid expansion).
  The club's logo was another I think you mentioned as plastic ... well considering the age of the competition it would be expected most have fairly modern logos (slowly teams have been changing this over time, e.g. Roar, Melbourne City). Hardly a reason to support or not support a team though.  Yes to promotion and relogation. That would be a good start. Something about 10 team leagues too. Oh, and I think clubs like SMFC have their right of place. West Adelaide and Adelaide City too and others.  Many things can be don't to reduce the amount of plastic! :lol:  Edited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 01:03:42 PM We have enough flares in the league as it is. Can't stand any more residing from old NSL resentening teams. It's funny how you go on about merit, yet you then talk about SMFC, West Adelaide and Adelaide City having the divine right to partake. What a fucking joke.  The A-league is desperate to exapand, but guess what, none of these clubs that you mention can even raise the capital to keep afloat at an A-league level. We can't afford to have the FFA literally save more clubs from going under, which they most likely would (Sth Melbourne aside perhaps).  Show me the link that says either Adelaide team has at least $5-$10 million to bring the club up into the A-league fold.  And WSW and Brisbane have a lot more flares than West Adelaide and SMFC. I haven't seen a flare in years.  Oh they can raise the capital alright. Adelaide City and West Adelaide have the entire Adelaide Building Industry behind them.  Edited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 03:17:36 PM                
			    				
			                        
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Wow this is beyond pathetic                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Volrath2002 wrote:when i'm home i'll post a real reply but for now Aikhme I just want to thank you for providing a little fun for the day at work. I have enjoyed reading this thread, it made me laugh very loudly in the office haha.  No probs there Volrath. I am happy you enjoyed it.  But, there are also some very serious undertones, and they need to be said as well.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    aufc_ole wrote:Wow this is beyond pathetic  It's not actually. By all means, people should have fun, but there is a lot of seriousness between jokes.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Draupnir wrote:I thought this day would never come!
  Thank you Aikhme, you can start posting on your main account again <3  I'm so happy, I could shed a tear of joy. Wish I wasn't so busy at work today, I want to play!!!                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    canonical wrote:Aikhme wrote:Yes, I would like to openly declare that I no longer have any affiliation to AUFC and that I will not be going to ANY of their games, or let my family attend    :lol: I'm never getting that goddamn beer                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Davide82 wrote:canonical wrote:Aikhme wrote:Yes, I would like to openly declare that I no longer have any affiliation to AUFC and that I will not be going to ANY of their games, or let my family attend    :lol: I'm never getting that goddamn beer  Too plastic for you too?                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Davide82 wrote:canonical wrote:Aikhme wrote:Yes, I would like to openly declare that I no longer have any affiliation to AUFC and that I will not be going to ANY of their games, or let my family attend    :lol: I'm never getting that goddamn beer  Couldn't face a plastic Cup                
			    				
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			    Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:
  What, are yous saying no Greek Players have ever played for Everton.
  What a plastic outlook! :lol: 
  No, but it's pretty plastic to just support a handful of teams because of a tenuous temporary connection. The only recent one that comes to mind is Vellios, but he was pretty awful.   It's called tribalism. It doesn't exist in the plastic world of A League.   Supporting a large set of successful clubs and trying to justify it after the fact, while changing alliances regularly is the very definition of being a plastic. You are the archetype case of being a plastic.   I haven't changed alliances regularly. My teams have been life long.  AUFC got a brief run off the bench last season but has now been dropped because it's too plastic!   Have they now. Didn't you suggest your cousin played for Everton being the reason. Either your cousin was playing them them when you were born (I'm unaware of any Greek players for Everton in the era 25-35 years ago) or they're fairly new for your "lifelong list".  You gave so little of a care about the Hellas that you just added them today to replace the "off the bench" AUFC.  The best thing about plastics is how hard they feel they have to argue to pretend they're not. You're a plastic, there's nothing wrong with that (except by your own attacks right now), you need to learn to accept who you are.   Oh for crying out loud. I've been following them for 20 odd years, and West Adelaide, Apoel, and Lazio since I was a boy. AUFC got a run off the bench last year but has been dropped.  Exactly Someguy, back off!! He simply started supporting a team just before they won a grand final and then stopped again. No way in hell is he a fickle bandwagoner plastic supporter like you guys.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    View from the fence wrote:Davide82 wrote:canonical wrote:Aikhme wrote:Yes, I would like to openly declare that I no longer have any affiliation to AUFC and that I will not be going to ANY of their games, or let my family attend    :lol: I'm never getting that goddamn beer  Couldn't face a plastic Cup  Not bad aha                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    View from the fence wrote:Davide82 wrote:canonical wrote:Aikhme wrote:Yes, I would like to openly declare that I no longer have any affiliation to AUFC and that I will not be going to ANY of their games, or let my family attend    :lol: I'm never getting that goddamn beer  Couldn't face a plastic Cup  Well done! Everyone knows, that plastic increases your chances of cancer and it doesn't biodegrade.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote: Oh for crying out loud. I've been following them for 20 odd years, and West Adelaide, Apoel, and Lazio since I was a boy.
 
  Aha I love it 20 years for a team on the other side of the world is ok but 13 years supporting your home town team is plastic Correct? How did you feel about Everton 7 years ago just out of curiosity?                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Davide82 wrote:Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:Someguy wrote:Aikhme wrote:
  What, are yous saying no Greek Players have ever played for Everton.
  What a plastic outlook! :lol: 
  No, but it's pretty plastic to just support a handful of teams because of a tenuous temporary connection. The only recent one that comes to mind is Vellios, but he was pretty awful.   It's called tribalism. It doesn't exist in the plastic world of A League.   Supporting a large set of successful clubs and trying to justify it after the fact, while changing alliances regularly is the very definition of being a plastic. You are the archetype case of being a plastic.   I haven't changed alliances regularly. My teams have been life long.  AUFC got a brief run off the bench last season but has now been dropped because it's too plastic!   Have they now. Didn't you suggest your cousin played for Everton being the reason. Either your cousin was playing them them when you were born (I'm unaware of any Greek players for Everton in the era 25-35 years ago) or they're fairly new for your "lifelong list".  You gave so little of a care about the Hellas that you just added them today to replace the "off the bench" AUFC.  The best thing about plastics is how hard they feel they have to argue to pretend they're not. You're a plastic, there's nothing wrong with that (except by your own attacks right now), you need to learn to accept who you are.   Oh for crying out loud. I've been following them for 20 odd years, and West Adelaide, Apoel, and Lazio since I was a boy. AUFC got a run off the bench last year but has been dropped.  Exactly Someguy, back off!! He simply started supporting a team just before they won a grand final and then stopped again. No way in hell is he a fickle bandwagoner plastic supporter like you guys.  Please see my public and open apology thread! Please please, as if my embarrassment isnt enough already! :lol:                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Davide82 wrote:Aikhme wrote: Oh for crying out loud. I've been following them for 20 odd years, and West Adelaide, Apoel, and Lazio since I was a boy.
 
  Aha I love it 20 years for a team on the other side of the world is ok but 13 years supporting your home town team is plastic Correct? How did you feel about Everton 7 years ago just out of curiosity?   I decided 12 years ago that AUFC was plastic so never attended. Too die hard WASC.  But after 12 years, I sadly fell off the bandwagon, but I quickly picked myself up, dusted myself off, and now I am ok again. :(  We all live and learn.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    11.mvfc.11 wrote:For fucks sake guys, 6 pages already? :lol:
  I'm revising my score to 8/10  I think it is at least a 9.5/10. :lol:                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:Davide82 wrote:Aikhme wrote: Oh for crying out loud. I've been following them for 20 odd years, and West Adelaide, Apoel, and Lazio since I was a boy.
 
  Aha I love it 20 years for a team on the other side of the world is ok but 13 years supporting your home town team is plastic Correct? How did you feel about Everton 7 years ago just out of curiosity?   I decided 12 years ago that AUFC was plastic so never attended. Too die hard WASC.  But after 12 years, I sadly fell off the bandwagon, but I quickly picked myself up, dusted myself off, and now I am ok again. :(  We all live and learn.   Ha ha I know you are taking the piss but at least try to do it with some logic so it's not so easy to laugh at the person behind the person you're trying to be ;)                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Davide82 wrote:Aikhme wrote:Davide82 wrote:Aikhme wrote: Oh for crying out loud. I've been following them for 20 odd years, and West Adelaide, Apoel, and Lazio since I was a boy.
 
  Aha I love it 20 years for a team on the other side of the world is ok but 13 years supporting your home town team is plastic Correct? How did you feel about Everton 7 years ago just out of curiosity?   I decided 12 years ago that AUFC was plastic so never attended. Too die hard WASC.  But after 12 years, I sadly fell off the bandwagon, but I quickly picked myself up, dusted myself off, and now I am ok again. :(  We all live and learn.   Ha ha I know you are taking the piss but at least try to do it with some logic so it's not so easy to laugh at the person behind the person you're trying to be ;)   That was last season when I thought I could support AUFC. Boy was I wrong! :(                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    There is a State League forum. Maybe you would feel more comfortable there ;)                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    patjennings wrote:There is a State League forum. Maybe you would feel more comfortable there ;)   I like both forums! ;)  I am trying to do some good by recycling some plastic. :lol:  Edited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 04:03:35 PM                
			    				
			                        
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Weird that a bloke that said he was from Victoria had West Adelaide as their boyhood team but you know, makes sense really. Supports SMFC while living in Adelaide and supported West Adelaide while living in Victoria.  :oops:                  
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    You have to wonder how dull someones life must be to spend an entire day trolling and replying like this. Truly the lamest of shitposts.                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Davide82 wrote:Weird that a bloke that said he was from Victoria had West Adelaide as their boyhood team but you know, makes sense really. Supports SMFC while living in Adelaide and supported West Adelaide while living in Victoria.  :oops: 
   Wash your mouth out! I'm not Mexican. You're deliberately trying to insult me now.  Born in Albury reh, but pretty much grew up in Adelaide followng West Adelaide.  Edited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 04:05:10 PM                
			    				
			                        
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Capac wrote:You have to wonder how dull someones life must be to spend an entire day trolling and replying like this. Truly the lamest of shitposts.  It's all to a good cause. And the cause is to reduce the plastic by supporting other non plastic entities either existing or about to be formed.  I am a pioneer on this forum. The day will come where you will be thanking me. ;)  Edited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 04:06:56 PM                
			    				
			                        
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    This thread is lacking logic.  its like saying I'm not buying a VW coz its plastic , but ill buy a Skoda because it's more home grown ?                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Nachoman wrote:This thread is lacking logic.  its like saying I'm not buying a VW coz its plastic , but ill buy a Skoda because it's more home grown ?  Weren't we buying holdens for a long time?                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    depends ? were you buying a captiva ( from thailand ) or a commdore ( locally made )                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    wow, i would have thought spewing this shit all over footballnews would have satisfied you enough.                 
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:Davide82 wrote:Weird that a bloke that said he was from Victoria had West Adelaide as their boyhood team but you know, makes sense really. Supports SMFC while living in Adelaide and supported West Adelaide while living in Victoria.  :oops: 
   Wash your mouth out! I'm not Mexican. You're deliberately trying to insult me now.  Born in Albury reh, but pretty much grew up in Adelaide followng West Adelaide.  Edited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 04:05:10 PM You also said you'd be a Victory supporter but your kids forced you into United C'mon mate, at least be a consistent fuckwit if you're gonna have some fun round here                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Nachoman wrote:This thread is lacking logic.                   
			    				
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			    Aikhme wrote:robbos wrote:Aikhme wrote:
  It is not my team. It's too plastic,
  I support West Adelaide in the NPL.
  And yes, SMFC has a greater birthright than any club in Australia! 
  Didn't Recoba say something similar about Uruguay's chances in 2005. We all know what happen there!!!!  Birthright is such an old way of thinking!!!! My grandfather was in the army, my dad was in te army, my brother is in the army & hence I will also join the army!!!!  That is why you are so plastic and will soon be recycled into cleaning detergent! :lol:   You should go out there & achieve what you need to despite/in spite of your birthright.  Greatness is earnt, not given or birthright!!!! Too many just complain instead of doing!!!!                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:Capac wrote:You have to wonder how dull someones life must be to spend an entire day trolling and replying like this. Truly the lamest of shitposts.  It's all to a good cause. And the cause is to reduce the plastic by supporting other non plastic entities either existing or about to be formed.  I am a pioneer on this forum. The day will come where you will be thanking me. ;)  Edited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 04:06:56 PM Lol I just went on football news. This is all because of the talk about west and city merging to get into the next expansion phase. Btw I'm all for it. I like that instead of actually discussing it you decide to shitposts. That's pretty much the opposite of being a pioneer when it comes to 442.  It does show your state of mind though. Overall studies have shown that people who troll on the net do so because of their own internal insecurities and inadequacies. Essentially they use the anonymity of the net to unleash their frustration without having to deal with any of the real life consequences. Basically internet trolls are sad.  In that context I give this a 3/10. It was a nice try but super sad how much effort you have put into it.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Davide82 wrote:at least be a consistent fuckwit if you're gonna have some fun round here  Consistency is the key I find                
			    				
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			    Capac wrote:Aikhme wrote:Capac wrote:You have to wonder how dull someones life must be to spend an entire day trolling and replying like this. Truly the lamest of shitposts.  It's all to a good cause. And the cause is to reduce the plastic by supporting other non plastic entities either existing or about to be formed.  I am a pioneer on this forum. The day will come where you will be thanking me. ;)  Edited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 04:06:56 PM Lol I just went on football news. This is all because of the talk about west and city merging to get into the next expansion phase. Btw I'm all for it. I like that instead of actually discussing it you decide to shitposts. That's pretty much the opposite of being a pioneer when it comes to 442.  It does show your state of mind though. Overall studies have shown that people who troll on the net do so because of their own internal insecurities and inadequacies. Essentially they use the anonymity of the net to unleash their frustration without having to deal with any of the real life consequences. Basically internet trolls are sad.  In that context I give this a 3/10. It was a nice try but super sad how much effort you have put into it.   Exactly right Capac, great men make things happen, while others just complain!!!!!                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Nachoman wrote:depends ? were you buying a captiva ( from thailand ) or a commdore ( locally made )  Everyone knows Captiva's are plastic! :lol:                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    redsfan wrote:wow, i would have thought spewing this shit all over footballnews would have satisfied you enough.
   You don't like pluralism? Well guess what? You're not very bright. 2 teams means a round of A League in Adelaide every week. Hindmarsh gets another tennant, hence doubles its income, we get a Derby hence higher TV Rights and there is more chance of upgrading Hindmarsh or getting a new Stadium. But alas...                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Davide82 wrote:Aikhme wrote:Davide82 wrote:Weird that a bloke that said he was from Victoria had West Adelaide as their boyhood team but you know, makes sense really. Supports SMFC while living in Adelaide and supported West Adelaide while living in Victoria.  :oops: 
   Wash your mouth out! I'm not Mexican. You're deliberately trying to insult me now.  Born in Albury reh, but pretty much grew up in Adelaide followng West Adelaide.  Edited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 04:05:10 PM You also said you'd be a Victory supporter but your kids forced you into United C'mon mate, at least be a consistent fuckwit if you're gonna have some fun round here  No! Sydney United reh!  They're also plastic. I even started barracking for them when they played AUFC.  Edited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 04:54:23 PM                
			    				
			                        
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    robbos wrote:Aikhme wrote:robbos wrote:Aikhme wrote:
  It is not my team. It's too plastic,
  I support West Adelaide in the NPL.
  And yes, SMFC has a greater birthright than any club in Australia! 
  Didn't Recoba say something similar about Uruguay's chances in 2005. We all know what happen there!!!!  Birthright is such an old way of thinking!!!! My grandfather was in the army, my dad was in te army, my brother is in the army & hence I will also join the army!!!!  That is why you are so plastic and will soon be recycled into cleaning detergent! :lol:   You should go out there & achieve what you need to despite/in spite of your birthright.  Greatness is earnt, not given or birthright!!!! Too many just complain instead of doing!!!!  And SMFC have earned a lot of greatness, as has Adelaide City.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    lukerobinho wrote:A nation holds it's breath   It might be a little too early, and I wouldn't want you to turn blue. I will PM you when you can start, around the 2017/18 season when it all happens.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:redsfan wrote:wow, i would have thought spewing this shit all over footballnews would have satisfied you enough.
   You don't like pluralism?  Is that like Polygamy ?                
			    				
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			    Capac wrote:Aikhme wrote:Capac wrote:You have to wonder how dull someones life must be to spend an entire day trolling and replying like this. Truly the lamest of shitposts.  It's all to a good cause. And the cause is to reduce the plastic by supporting other non plastic entities either existing or about to be formed.  I am a pioneer on this forum. The day will come where you will be thanking me. ;)  Edited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 04:06:56 PM Lol I just went on football news. This is all because of the talk about west and city merging to get into the next expansion phase. Btw I'm all for it. I like that instead of actually discussing it you decide to shitposts. That's pretty much the opposite of being a pioneer when it comes to 442.  It does show your state of mind though. Overall studies have shown that people who troll on the net do so because of their own internal insecurities and inadequacies. Essentially they use the anonymity of the net to unleash their frustration without having to deal with any of the real life consequences. Basically internet trolls are sad.  In that context I give this a 3/10. It was a nice try but super sad how much effort you have put into it.   Mate, I have been trolled incessently on this forum. Just go back and look at all my earlier posts. I;m just saying it as it is in my eyes, and its a free world. If you don't like my posts, then you can create your own "safe space". :lol: :lol: :lol:  I'm not forcing anyone to read or reply. That is done on your own accord.  Edited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 04:58:42 PM                
			    				
			                        
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    for west adelaide to get into the a-league, the citys population needs to increase x4 of what it currently is. i cant see that happening at all.                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    HeyItsRobbie wrote:for west adelaide to get into the a-league, the citys population needs to increase x4 of what it currently is. i cant see that happening at all.   Nah, All they need to do is be allowed and actually want to                
			    				
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			    Aikhme wrote:lukerobinho wrote:A nation holds it's breath   It might be a little too early, and I wouldn't want you to turn blue. I will PM you when you can start, around the 2017/18 season when it all happens.  Any other clubs you can support in the meantime ? maybe 4 isn't enough after all                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    HeyItsRobbie wrote:for west adelaide to get into the a-league, the citys population needs to increase x4 of what it currently is. i cant see that happening at all.   Just so we're clear on this, your you beaut theory here. Adelaide needs 4 x 1,316,000 people = 5,264,000 people. So, a million more than Melbourne and half a mill more than Sydney. To get a second team. I bet you'd be all over a team in a shanty town like Wollongong though.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:robbos wrote:Aikhme wrote:robbos wrote:Aikhme wrote:
  It is not my team. It's too plastic,
  I support West Adelaide in the NPL.
  And yes, SMFC has a greater birthright than any club in Australia! 
  Didn't Recoba say something similar about Uruguay's chances in 2005. We all know what happen there!!!!  Birthright is such an old way of thinking!!!! My grandfather was in the army, my dad was in te army, my brother is in the army & hence I will also join the army!!!!  That is why you are so plastic and will soon be recycled into cleaning detergent! :lol:   You should go out there & achieve what you need to despite/in spite of your birthright.  Greatness is earnt, not given or birthright!!!! Too many just complain instead of doing!!!!  And SMFC have earned a lot of greatness, as has Adelaide City.   Greatness is something we all should try to attain, but greatness is bestowed onto us by others, not self pro-claimed.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    West Adelaide are extremely inferior to Adelaide City therefore I cannot support the sentiments expressed in this thread.   ;)                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    I dont think you are recycling your posts are more like the stuff my old mans puts into his garden for fertilizer. Congrtas on being green but                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Is Cyprus truly Greek?                
			     				
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			    bohemia wrote:HeyItsRobbie wrote:for west adelaide to get into the a-league, the citys population needs to increase x4 of what it currently is. i cant see that happening at all.   Just so we're clear on this, your you beaut theory here. Adelaide needs 4 x 1,316,000 people = 5,264,000 people. So, a million more than Melbourne and half a mill more than Sydney. To get a second team. I bet you'd be all over a team in a shanty town like Wollongong though.  hey come on the more people the  better :D they would even allow adelaide city to be stable in the a-league should a 3rd team in adelaide be required View from the fence wrote:Nah,
  All they need to do is be allowed
  and actually want to  true but would they survive knowing that the reds is a more established club in adelaide in todays current climate? how could they compete? Edited by heyitsrobbie: 22/6/2016 06:26:11 PM                
			    				
			                        
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    HeyItsRobbie wrote:for west adelaide to get into the a-league, the citys population needs to increase x4 of what it currently is. i cant see that happening at all.   So let me get this straight. You believe Adelaide Population needs to be 5.2 million when Sydney has a population of 4 million and has 2 A League teams and arguably 3? Adelaide's population is 1.3 million and I believe it can sustain 2 teams. It would be terrific for the State. The goal here is to have a local Derby, and have an A League game every week at Hindmarsh. Then, it's not as tough a sell for an upgrade or new stadium either. It is a win win for all. And if the West Adelaide and Adelaide City venture fail, well they go down. No harm done to the A League.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    lukerobinho wrote:Aikhme wrote:lukerobinho wrote:A nation holds it's breath   It might be a little too early, and I wouldn't want you to turn blue. I will PM you when you can start, around the 2017/18 season when it all happens.  Any other clubs you can support in the meantime ? maybe 4 isn't enough after all   Just West Adelaide which I have supported since 1984. I only started to jum on the AUFC bandwagon in 2015 and that was a mistake. Too plastic.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    lol for thinking existing clubs, especially SMFC will ever get a license. I think were better off without the bitters like you.                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    robbos wrote:Aikhme wrote:robbos wrote:Aikhme wrote:robbos wrote:Aikhme wrote:
  It is not my team. It's too plastic,
  I support West Adelaide in the NPL.
  And yes, SMFC has a greater birthright than any club in Australia! 
  Didn't Recoba say something similar about Uruguay's chances in 2005. We all know what happen there!!!!  Birthright is such an old way of thinking!!!! My grandfather was in the army, my dad was in te army, my brother is in the army & hence I will also join the army!!!!  That is why you are so plastic and will soon be recycled into cleaning detergent! :lol:   You should go out there & achieve what you need to despite/in spite of your birthright.  Greatness is earnt, not given or birthright!!!! Too many just complain instead of doing!!!!  And SMFC have earned a lot of greatness, as has Adelaide City.   Greatness is something we all should try to attain, but greatness is bestowed onto us by others, not self pro-claimed.  Yes and in SMFC's case, I think 3 or 4 championships (whatever it is) is pretty great.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    onionbag wrote:West Adelaide are extremely inferior to Adelaide City therefore I cannot support the sentiments expressed in this thread.   ;)   That's not very nice from a Brother. I forgive you as you will probably be a supporter of this venture. ;)                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    HeyItsRobbie wrote:bohemia wrote:HeyItsRobbie wrote:for west adelaide to get into the a-league, the citys population needs to increase x4 of what it currently is. i cant see that happening at all.   Just so we're clear on this, your you beaut theory here. Adelaide needs 4 x 1,316,000 people = 5,264,000 people. So, a million more than Melbourne and half a mill more than Sydney. To get a second team. I bet you'd be all over a team in a shanty town like Wollongong though.  hey come on the more people the  better :D they would even allow adelaide city to be stable in the a-league should a 3rd team in adelaide be required View from the fence wrote:Nah,
  All they need to do is be allowed
  and actually want to  true but would they survive knowing that the reds is a more established club in adelaide in todays current climate? how could they compete? Edited by heyitsrobbie: 22/6/2016 06:26:11 PM Adelaide City is part of the new venture. You should read the thread. West Adelaide and Adelaide City are looking at their options for forming a joint A League venture together.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    The Frenchman wrote:lol for thinking existing clubs, especially SMFC will ever get a license. I think were better off without the bitters like you.  Well then, you are detined to remain plastic and at 10 teams, I think I would rather watch the grass grow.  Eventually of course, over time, the league will fail.  Edited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 06:38:30 PM                
			    				
			                        
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    11.mvfc.11 wrote:For fucks sake guys, 6 pages already? :lol:
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			    scott21 wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:For fucks sake guys, 6 pages already? :lol:
  I'm revising my score to 8/10  Hasn't he written 8/10 comments though?  Go and count and report back at once! :lol:                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Newsflash! Someone Nobody Knows Threatens To Do Something Nobody Cares About! More to come...                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    eldorado wrote:Newsflash! Someone Nobody Knows Threatens To Do Something Nobody Cares About! More to come...  Who cares?                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    applying some ancient world thinking I think I have come up with a solution. A-League clubs probably should sign Apoel players. 🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    AEK Spartan wrote:applying some ancient world thinking I think I have come up with a solution. A-League clubs probably should sign Apoel players. 🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛  ...or Bedouins                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    AEK Spartan wrote:applying some ancient world thinking I think I have come up with a solution. A-League clubs probably should sign Apoel players. 🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛  That would be cool.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    eldorado wrote:AEK Spartan wrote:applying some ancient world thinking I think I have come up with a solution. A-League clubs probably should sign Apoel players. 🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛🏛  ...or Bedouins  That would make things less plastic for sure.  We could have a Belly Dance cheer squad.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    and how many times have WAHellas been revived , rebranded etc ? Adelaide City  , well  they were in the old NSL , and for whatever reason were not part of the a league this state isnt big enough for two teams , and would dilute the supporter base.
  Now if your gripe is about junior fees etc propping up AUFC... Open the door to the FFSA, who cannot unite with the SAASL ... once SA has a unified body across juniors , seniors , amateurs etc then we can talk. Heck id love to see my old amateur team compete in the FFA or even FFSA,but they wont as the market demographic were they are located are well served by other amateur league teams and teams from FFSA...                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    oh and craptivas are just that, but all sold under the holden banner. well technically its not holden , more like general motors singapore                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Nachoman wrote:and how many times have WAHellas been revived , rebranded etc ? Adelaide City  , well  they were in the old NSL , and for whatever reason were not part of the a league this state isnt big enough for two teams , and would dilute the supporter base.
  Now if your gripe is about junior fees etc propping up AUFC... Open the door to the FFSA, who cannot unite with the SAASL ... once SA has a unified body across juniors , seniors , amateurs etc then we can talk. Heck id love to see my old amateur team compete in the FFA or even FFSA,but they wont as the market demographic were they are located are well served by other amateur league teams and teams from FFSA...  How do you know the supporter base will be dilutted? How do you know, other fans will not be attracted to the game? I think you're stretching a rather long bow there and are making far too many assumptions.  Let's just see what happens. If there isn't room enough for 2, then Natural Selection will do the rest. If there is, then there is no looking back.  If it was up to me, I would allow the SAASL to merge with the FFSA. It is the best outcome. I would like to see everyone under the same unbrella and the formation of other divisions which encompass SAASL clubs with promotion and relegation into the State League etc.  Edited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 07:24:35 PM                
			    				
			                        
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    because the supporter base is scattered now plus it has to compete in Adelaide , where it is behind two well supported and financially invested AFL teams, then has to compete with a new player in the BBL Team * whatever they are called * Adelaide Citys crowds were dwindling towards the end of the NSL , and WAHellas, well they left that game ( finances didnt help )
  heck its like asking florina and inter to merge ,and compete in the FFSA ? what for ? when there are 3/4 other teams vying for the same juniors, seniors and sponsorship dollars
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			    No me mate. When people don't like what you have to say, they just want to have you banned. It's the interwebz!                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    paulbagzFC wrote:
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			    Nachoman wrote:because the supporter base is scattered now plus it has to compete in Adelaide , where it is behind two well supported and financially invested AFL teams, then has to compete with a new player in the BBL Team * whatever they are called * Adelaide Citys crowds were dwindling towards the end of the NSL , and WAHellas, well they left that game ( finances didnt help )
  heck its like asking florina and inter to merge ,and compete in the FFSA ? what for ? when there are 3/4 other teams vying for the same juniors, seniors and sponsorship dollars
  Edited by nachoman: 22/6/2016 07:26:56 PM  I think you under estimate the business acumen of the backers. There is so much money behind them, it's not even funny. And the fact that West Adelaide and Adelaide City are involved, means there is an already inheritable base.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    StiflersMom wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:
  Stifles gonna do something? :lol:
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  Nah, this is a fun off season troll, kinda enjoy it, haven't had to pull the ban stick for about a week or 2   It's not even a troll. I am just doing my best to raise a little bit of awareness about A League expansion, more clubs, and destroying the big disconnect between A League and NPL. My intentions are good, but I can't help it if some people feel very insecure or do not agree with this point of view.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    so if they are so well backed , why dont they lower their junior fees ?                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Nachoman wrote:so if they are so well backed , why dont they lower their junior fees ?  They can't! Most of it goes to player insurance, and the FFSA and in turn to AUFC. The club only makes maybe $200 per kid, which they use to buy equipment and so forth. I am not sure if the coaches are paid. I think they are paid a small fee.  Edited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 07:49:50 PM                
			    				
			                        
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:StiflersMom wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:
  Stifles gonna do something? :lol:
  -PB
  Nah, this is a fun off season troll, kinda enjoy it, haven't had to pull the ban stick for about a week or 2   It's not even a troll. I am just doing my best to raise a little bit of awareness about A League expansion, more clubs, and destroying the big disconnect between A League and NPL. My intentions are good, but I can't help it if some people feel very insecure or do not agree with this point of view.   That's what the state league forum is for.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    9 pages in less than 12 hours WTF.
  this forum needs new blood. Can we run an advertising campaign for new members. 
  Correction 10 pages. 
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			    LOL NSW is terribad. i expect a 3-0 series sweep for QLD.
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			    SWandP wrote:I hope you realise that 442 forums is plastic and that you should feel encouraged to extend your noble gesture of boycotting all that is plastic.
  I fully support you in your lifelong endeavour.
 
   X2 too many post 2005 newbies in here, they won't get what you are saying.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:redsfan wrote:wow, i would have thought spewing this shit all over footballnews would have satisfied you enough.
   You don't like pluralism? Well guess what? You're not very bright. 2 teams means a round of A League in Adelaide every week. Hindmarsh gets another tennant, hence doubles its income, we get a Derby hence higher TV Rights and there is more chance of upgrading Hindmarsh or getting a new Stadium. But alas...  i'm not sure whats more amusing, you calling someone not very bright or that you think anyone actually takes you serious.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Aikhme wrote:Yes, I would like to openly declare that I no longer have any affiliation to AUFC and that I will not be going to ANY of their games, or let my family attend, until the A League becomes less plastic. If and when SMFC and my old club of West Adelaide join with Adelaide City and enter the A League, then I will re-engage. Until then, c'mon West Adelaide in the NPL and our ally Adelaide City!  The plastic AUFC logo is also gone and replaced with the non plastic West Adelaide logo!    Without bagging/patronizing you and without reading all 10 pages, can you give me point form of what needs to change to bring you back to the game?  Can they be reasonable request, ones that wont be recless like rushed expansion. Honest question                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Why did this crap have to get moved to State League?  Just lock it and let it die. Funnily enough, I come to State League football to get away from this sort of rubbish.                
			    				
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			    aussieshorter wrote:Why did this crap have to get moved to State League?  Just lock it and let it die.
  Funnily enough, I come to State League football to get away from this sort of rubbish.  Well because no mods are doing stuff in AF are they haha. Hence why this thread is just pure spam. -PB                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Now they're both in SL, should unlock the Apology thread instead.   Has much more potential                
			    				
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			    redsfan wrote:Aikhme wrote:redsfan wrote:wow, i would have thought spewing this shit all over footballnews would have satisfied you enough.
   You don't like pluralism? Well guess what? You're not very bright. 2 teams means a round of A League in Adelaide every week. Hindmarsh gets another tennant, hence doubles its income, we get a Derby hence higher TV Rights and there is more chance of upgrading Hindmarsh or getting a new Stadium. But alas...  i'm not sure whats more amusing, you calling someone not very bright or that you think anyone actually takes you serious.  Some people, take me seriously let me tell you right now. Others, with closed minds, and of weak and sheepish character, don't because they are to scared of progress. Those who are quiet, maintain the Status Quo and go for the safe haven, whilst the risk taker knows that the world is their oyster. You choose between stagnation, or innovation. I can't help you with your issue.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    paulbagzFC wrote:aussieshorter wrote:Why did this crap have to get moved to State League?  Just lock it and let it die.
  Funnily enough, I come to State League football to get away from this sort of rubbish.  Well because no mods are doing stuff in AF are they haha. Hence why this thread is just pure spam. -PB  Hey teabags, here is a fact for you! This is probably the best thread that has passed through this forum recently.                 
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    aussieshorter wrote:Why did this crap have to get moved to State League?  Just lock it and let it die.
  Funnily enough, I come to State League football to get away from this sort of rubbish.  For someone who is a follower of the State Leagues, I would have thought that would have had more appreciation for the subject matter at hand.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    bitza wrote:Aikhme wrote:Yes, I would like to openly declare that I no longer have any affiliation to AUFC and that I will not be going to ANY of their games, or let my family attend, until the A League becomes less plastic. If and when SMFC and my old club of West Adelaide join with Adelaide City and enter the A League, then I will re-engage. Until then, c'mon West Adelaide in the NPL and our ally Adelaide City!  The plastic AUFC logo is also gone and replaced with the non plastic West Adelaide logo!    Without bagging/patronizing you and without reading all 10 pages, can you give me point form of what needs to change to bring you back to the game?  Can they be reasonable request, ones that wont be recless like rushed expansion. Honest question  Bitza, I will reply to you because despite your slightly patronizing manner, you attempted to address me politely and asked a valid question.  I am not for rushed or reckless expansion which is unsustainable. Nor do I advocate for it. I do however, support some very well measured expansion. To make a stab in the dark, I believe the HAL can easily sustain an extra 2 teams. It may be able to sustain an extra 4 teams but I will pull back from this if it scares people. Now what are the advantages? Well, I believe the key is to have more Derbies. That would result in more interest from the public, media and TV. That would increase FFA revenue.  How do the teams fund themselves? Well, clubs will need to engage fund raising initiatives in the same manner as the existing clubs do now. Now we all know that some clubs are not breaking even or profitable. Well, if the FFA can negotiate a better TV Deal, franchise funding will increase by up to 75%.  For me, South Melbourne is a no brainer. From my personal point of view, I would like to see Adelaide City and West Adelaide to embark on some kind of joint venture. Someone said that this will dilute the supporter base. I believe that is the case to a certain extent. I predict that Adelaide United may lose 1000 to 2000 fans. It will survive and recover other fans very quickly. I also believe that many soccer fans will buy memberships at both clubs, whilst the new venture will do very well from the NPL and State League grassroots. The spin off are there, not just for the clubs, but Adelaide will now have 2 tenants at Hindmarsh. All of a sudden, calls for a stadium upgrade or even a new rectangular stadium have more weight.  Now obviously, I also believe there should be another team in Sydney and also Brisbane.  Now this doesn't have to happen overnight. It can be done 2 teams at a time rather than 4 overnight.  End result, more Derbies and more TV money. Which means more funding for the clubs.  What we can't afford is stagnation. The HAL is at the moment stagnation. Having only 10 teams after 12 years is a pretty poor state of affairs.  By adding more teams like SMFC, soccer in this country could at last ne UNITED. At the moment, it isn't.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    The A League is going alright.
  My issue is how can we get people interested in the State Leagues? They run winter comps without competition from the A League, they have an ok sort of standard, but hardly anybody goes. I think there's a much greater potential audience than what we currently see.
  These are just random thoughts, and I don't pretend to be an expert, so feel free to dispute them. But I think these issues should be up for discussion.
  The fact that every club (here in Victoria at least) is ethnic based must surely constrain their growth. I'm actually of Croatian heritage myself, but I'd love to have a local club that's jut about football and doesn't have any national/political/ethnic background. (I saw some tweets from Pave Jusup who's on the Knight's board after drawing Cockburn City - apparently a Yugoslav club -  in the FFA Cup, and I know it was in jest, but I just thought FMD, I wish this could just be about football and not reprising 20th Century Balkan politics FFS.)
  Now I appreciate a club like South Melbourne is trying to broaden its supporter base and good luck to them. And I appreciate the history of many of these clubs and the important role they've played, not just in football but in providing migrants with a sense of community in a new country. But as important as their histories may be, what do they mean to second or third generation Australians who are integrated in Australian society? Given the attendances, not much it seems.
  How do we on the one hand respect what these clubs have done, and on the other, update the concept of local football to be broader and more inclusive?
  I want to see the game flourish, and at grass roots level, I can see local clubs growing with heaps of juniors. The international game is followed in a bigger way than ever before. And the A League, you would have to say has been a success even with some of it's challenges. Club football at the state level is where exactly? If we want promotion/relegation, surely the second tier needs to lift its appeal and be able to put up a better case?
  I go to watch Bulleen Lions sometimes, and they seem like a pretty good club. Although they have Italian origins, it seems to feel like a regular club without making you feel you need to be Italian to follow them. Some of the Greek clubs seem to be like that too. But do we really need each of South Melbourne, Heidelberg, Northcote, Oakleigh, Port Melbourne and Bentleigh? I like Greeks, but that's going overboard. Melbourne Knights are so Croatian I'm just not confident they can ever grow their support to what it should be given their history.
  I don't think ethnicity in club football is necessarily a problem - and I'm not trying to paint it as the source of all the game's problems. It's not. I just think it's a problem when the whole basis of club football is ethnic identity. For example, I'm not against South Melbourne in the A League one day. (But I don't think they are ready or would improve the league now.) Can clubs evolve with the times and develop greater connections with communities outside their ethnic group? Or should the governing bodies do more to reform the structure of the game at the state level? Am I wrong? If so feel free to educate me.                 
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    That Cockburn crap is utter shite. Yugo wars are over morons. Almost 30 years now ffs.                
			     				
			                        
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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