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paladisious wrote:View from the fence wrote:28 degrees - Ocean swim, coupla hours at the beach, ice cream to cool down.
Middle of winter. Glorious  Strawberry on Waffle
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View from the fence wrote:28 degrees - Ocean swim, coupla hours at the beach, ice cream to cool down.
Middle of winter. Glorious
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28 degrees - Ocean swim, coupla hours at the beach, ice cream to cool down. Middle of winter. Glorious
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sokorny wrote:View from the fence wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:What can we do on the macro level? Install Solar Panels? Build water tanks? Replace lights with LEDs? Don't breed Kill yourself Not really sustainable practices though, which sort of defeats the whole purpose of sustainable lifestyles and development which are the principles of mitigating and managing climate change. Nothing else will fix it. All the tree hugging shit is just delaying the inevitable. Need WW3, Ebola.2 or an decent Alien invasion
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View from the fence wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:What can we do on the macro level? Install Solar Panels? Build water tanks? Replace lights with LEDs? Don't breed Kill yourself Not really sustainable practices though, which sort of defeats the whole purpose of sustainable lifestyles and development which are the principles of mitigating and managing climate change.
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TheSelectFew wrote:What can we do on the macro level? Install Solar Panels? Build water tanks? Replace lights with LEDs? Don't breed Kill yourself
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TheSelectFew wrote:What can we do on the macro level? Install Solar Panels? Build water tanks? Replace lights with LEDs? Depends on the electricity generation of the country/provider, but since most still have some form of fossil fuel electricity generation then doing that is good. Eat less meat, car pool or use public transport more often, don't put organic matter in general rubbish as the bacteria that break it down generates a lot of methane, eat less meat, did I mention to eat less meat.
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TheSelectFew wrote:What can we do on the macro level? Install Solar Panels? Build water tanks? Replace lights with LEDs? Don't buy anything except raw food
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Yep do all that. I try to be enviro concious as humanly possible.
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TheSelectFew wrote:What can we do on the macro level? Install Solar Panels? Build water tanks? Replace lights with LEDs? - Turn off lights when you leave a room - buy local produce (reduced transportation) - ride/walk to the shops/school/work instead - catch public transport - reduce, reuse, recycle - your own veggie garden - your own compost pile - use less water (especially hot) - plant trees / plants (especially drought resilient species)
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rusty wrote:canonical wrote:No, "according to the science", human activity is the main driver of climate change. The debate has moved on. Apparently it hasn't. There was a paper released a couple of years which purports that 97% of scientists that take a position on AWG agree with the IPCC position that most climate change is due to human activity, however a basic critique of that paper appears to suggest the finding was confected, and the true position of scientists who endorse the IPCC position is actually much less. It doesn't inspire much confidence in the climate leaders when they appear to confect their findings. Filling in some blanks....the paper you are likely referring to (the one most often cited when the 97% consensus figure is discussed) is by Cook et al (2013). There have been criticisms of it obviously, by Monckton, Tol and others, but no 'basic critique' that stands up to scrutiny. Several published studies have arrived at a similar figure. By saying the finding was 'confected', you (or whoever) are essentially accusing the authors of fraud, which would lead to the paper being retracted and worse. Instead the likes of NASA, The National Academy of Sciences, the American Chemical Society etc etc have position statements supporting the view that humans are the main drivers of climate change, reflecting the published evidence.
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What can we do on the macro level? Install Solar Panels? Build water tanks? Replace lights with LEDs?
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rusty wrote:canonical wrote:No, "according to the science", human activity is the main driver of climate change. The debate has moved on. Apparently it hasn't. There was a paper released a couple of years which purports that 97% of scientists that take a position on AWG agree with the IPCC position that most climate change is due to human activity, however a basic critique of that paper appears to suggest the finding was confected, and the true position of scientists who endorse the IPCC position is actually much less. It doesn't inspire much confidence in the climate leaders when they appear to confect their findings. Interesting read up on the 97% figure. http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus-basic.htmIt actually comes from 7 different consensus reports (that do not focus on asking a question, but the percentage of authors citing papers in support of AGW). In other words if an scientist cites a "pro" AGW paper (in a supportive manner) in a published paper then this is seen as "support" of AGW, and vice versa. So the 97% figure is based on published scientific papers that support AGW against those that don't.
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canonical wrote:No, "according to the science", human activity is the main driver of climate change. The debate has moved on. Apparently it hasn't. There was a paper released a couple of years which purports that 97% of scientists that take a position on AWG agree with the IPCC position that most climate change is due to human activity, however a basic critique of that paper appears to suggest the finding was confected, and the true position of scientists who endorse the IPCC position is actually much less. It doesn't inspire much confidence in the climate leaders when they appear to confect their findings.
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rusty wrote:They had this American bird on Q&A last year debating capitalist proponent Tom Switzer arguing the solution to global warming is socialism. If anyone doesn't think there are people out there willingly trying to hijack climate change to pursue their socialist ideals they are severely deluded. Yes, she has an agenda and is full of shit (Naomi Klein). rusty wrote:A lot of "skeptics" accept the science of climate change yet are skeptical as to how much of this is caused by human activity, which according to the science appears to be a source of considerable debate rather than being 'settled'. No, "according to the science", human activity is the main driver of climate change. The debate has moved on.
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rusty wrote:They had this American bird on Q&A last year debating capitalist proponent Tom Switzer arguing the solution to global warming is socialism.
If anyone doesn't think there are people out there willingly trying to hijack climate change to pursue their socialist ideals they are severely deluded. A lot of "skeptics" accept the science of climate change yet are skeptical as to how much of this is caused by human activity, which according to the science appears to be a source of considerable debate rather than being 'settled'.
It is fascinating though watching the lengths leftists will go to manipulate, obfuscate and outright lie to pursue their clandestine revolution. :lol: My job relies a lot on dirty coal champ but anthropogenic climate change is real. Anyone with half a brain knows that pumping harmful shit like aromatic hydrocarbon compounds into the environment is not a good thing. On Curtis Island, Gladstone QLD, the GLNG plant burns off any gas it brings in and can't store. It must be a lot because it's a consistent black smog over the outlets. I would be interested to see what the environmental affects of this are, particularly making comparisons over say a 1 year, 5 year and 10 year period. Just because they're on an island doesn't make them above regulations. Where I do agree with you is that there is a shitload of lies and misinformation around a lot of environmental activities. Coal Seam Gas and Fracking are two of my favourites (I'm involved with the drilling industry) but it's not worth debating it with anyone on here because they either don't care or don't care because the internet tells them otherwise. Humans would be better serve addressing climate change than playing semantics and being dicks.
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They had this American bird on Q&A last year debating capitalist proponent Tom Switzer arguing the solution to global warming is socialism.
If anyone doesn't think there are people out there willingly trying to hijack climate change to pursue their socialist ideals they are severely deluded. A lot of "skeptics" accept the science of climate change yet are skeptical as to how much of this is caused by human activity, which according to the science appears to be a source of considerable debate rather than being 'settled'.
It is fascinating though watching the lengths leftists will go to manipulate, obfuscate and outright lie to pursue their clandestine revolution.
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scott21 wrote:tsf wrote:What's the other one - if 97% of doctors said you had cancer, would you listen to them or the 3%?  So when they say I should floss I should do the opposite?
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Statistics also show that 9 out of 10 people involved in a gangrape enjoy it.
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30 in parts of Townsville today, our July average high is meant to be 24 lol. -PB
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I'll have a Beachside property by about 2030. - Winning
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Man bear pig is real. Im super cereal
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scott21 wrote:tsf wrote:What's the other one - if 97% of doctors said you had cancer, would you listen to them or the 3%?  I guess we shouldn't trust Rob from Oral B:lol:
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tsf wrote:What's the other one - if 97% of doctors said you had cancer, would you listen to them or the 3%?
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What's the other one - if 97% of doctors said you had cancer, would you listen to them or the 3%?
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Fucking Greens voters and their straggly shaggy hair and beards...
WOLLONGONG WOLVES FOR A-LEAGUE EXPANSION!

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SausageGravyIn other completely unrelated news, it's just been revealed that the third largest oil-based company in the world, Exxon, is still actively campaigning and funding thinktanks, organisations and political parties that have zero scientific specialisation, in order to spread the idea that all's well. Personally, I believe along with my highly educated mates here in extra time that this whole thing is just another example of the left leaning media of the world (not influenced by Rupert Murdoch) exercising false flag events in order to spread the disgusting idea of cultural Marxism because it wants to destroy things like the less than 150 year old idea of Aussie kulcha! WAKE UP TO THE HOAX SHEEPLE!!!!!!!!!! OR FOREVER BE A [size=7]CUCK[/size]!!!!! Edited by Draupnir: 12/7/2016 10:27:35 PM
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