This latest worrying turn of events comes amidst a backdrop of a dysfunctional relationship between recently appointed managing director and would-be-owner Daniel Cobb and his disaffected coach John Aloisi and football operations chief Craig Moore.

It is also an echo of last year’s sequence of late payments to players and staff, which precipitated Football Federation Australia the threatening to seize back the club's A-League license from the Indonesian-based Bakrie Group unless less payments were made in a timely fashion and a number of other outstanding debts to creditors were settled.

Last year though, players and staff were forewarned of impending late payments – wages are due on the 15^th of each month.On this occasion however, it’s understood that players were shocked to discover that on Monday no money had showed up in their accounts, with no explanation forthcoming from Cobb or the Bakrie Group.The issue looked to have been resolved last October when the Bakries – who are still actively still trying to offload the club – made good on their commitments to players and a number of creditors. Since then players have been paid on time.

However, the saga saw the club lose key midfielder Luke Brattan, who won a release over unpaid superannuation.

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2016/08/15/brisbane-roar-crisis-mode-players-not-paid

Gallop has told them to stop being naughty. That will do it. Worked a treat last year ..,, Well until March when they weren't paid again, but when he said it again then it worked ..... err, until now that is. But hey, he's said "stop it" three times in the last year, that should be dnough shouldn't it?

How spineless are the FFA not to act. They don't deserve a team in Brisbane, they really don't!

It's not about being spineless it's about $$$$. They simply don't have the money atm. 

And before people jump on here raving about the $500k spent on Cahill, firstly that isn't enough to save a club like Brisbane, and secondly no money put aside to promoting or marketing the game should be sacrificed for this. The FFA need to make the A-league as attractive as possible and obviously if they haven't taken over the club it's because they can't manage to do it. If they had hundreds or even more than 30-40 million in the bank it would be expected for them to act.

But tell me, how should the FFA take over the licence if they are waiting for the next media deal to fill their pockets again? They would have to sacrifice money from Grass roots or raise playing fees. Something im sure you as many others on here are against. 

And in the mean time before the next tv deal the club continues to be damaged beyond on repair, how is that going to help the next tv deal?

The next TV deal largely relies on Brisbane participating first and foremost. There's no chance they will not. Whether someone gets paid a day or a week late is largely irrelevant. Not nice, can do without and terrible for some but not critical to the TV deal.

As others have said, your posts are shit.

If the club is able to field players on game day then Fox Sports is happy.

The same excuses could have been made last year, yet ratings for Brisbane games weren't greatly affected by this. Attendances and memberships on the other hand were affected. Neither of which have a real influence on the next broadcast deal. Yu just have to look at some NRL clubs to tell you that. It's the ratings that matter when it comes to tv deals obviously, and no evidence of Brisbane Roar games spiraling downwards in the tv department. Perhaps maybe an increase due to some fans staying home to watch rather than at the game itself.

Point im making is that the FFA will do whatever is possible to keep Bakries in paying the bills even if they pay late on occasion. Once the new deal is in and the FFA is more cashed up they will be in a much better position to take over with minimal risk. 

the sad thing is this post could have been from 5 years ago

 I was initially going with a title "Another Preseason. Another Roar players not being paid article"

Is this the kultcha paulc was on about?

Deary me - what a shamozzle

Circus Kulccchhaaaa

-PB

J-Mac should follow Luke's example and leave. He'd at least get paid on time at Adelaide United.

Be going to Victory before shitty old Adelaide. 

And then he...he said it was a few cash flow issues!



-PB

Methinks Cobb just got told to put up or go away.  Whatever deal he's done with the Bakries is meaningless if they've got nothing to sell.  Phone will be at pawn shop this week.

Prediction: 442 to explode in sympathy with him like they did for TInkler.

Wait a second, if this was a certain other club there would be the "kick them out" calls by now..................

Lucky we have a salary cap

Despite clubs constantly hitting financial crisis and ownership problems, we still get all the benefits of not having big players and big teams in our league

One balances out the other

Sydney, WSW and Victory don't have cash problems. Why aren't they spending big on marquees. Nothing is stopping them. Certainly not the salary cap as they have 3 spots to fill. Yet they aren't spending much. This tells me that getting rid of the salary cap would do very little on bringing in big players or creating huge clubs. Once we max out the marquees properly for at least 2-3 clubs in the league we can talk about dropping the cap. 

The FFA have failed on this issue several times in the past, Gallop needs to go.

The defence of the FFA in the past has been "they can't act as long as players are getting paid" well they're not getting paid, again, so what excuse do the FFA have now?

None - they need to start the process of taking the Bakries licence back this morning.

Gallop will survive but he shouldn't, he now represents all that's wrong with football administration in this country. Spineless and disconnected from reality. Fire his arse in the afternoon and get a football person in there.

LOL let's go with an analogy:

How many times should the bank allow you to make a late home repayment before kicking you out?  They do have a duty to their shareholders.
Truth is it's better for the bank and the lendee to keep them in the house and make the payments.  It costs less and the profit still comes home. Everybody wins.
Second best is to find a new buyer for the home and get the owner to bear the costs and problems of selling it on. Everybody wins but the original owner loses value in the asset.
Last choice is repossession and the bank having to find a new owner and wrap up the affairs of the original.  Bank loses money and the owner gets properly screwed. Losses all round.

Same with a football club franchise.  It would be even more costly than a house repo because some high voltage lathered up lawyers would be involved.
Throw in the problem that FIFA rules prevent FFA from holding more than one club at a time and you had them in the position of having to shut down one club last year if they moved.  Newcastle Jets would have been thrown in the bin and that would have been disastrous.

The only outcome here that promises a bright and golden future for football is that a softly softly approach with a big stick works.
You blokes should be absolutely over-joyed that FFA has acted sensibly and maturely.  Ask the people of Townsville, Gold Coast and Auckland what it's like to have it all taken away.

Too fukn precious.

The FFA need to step in and pay the players directly. It's a joke that the Roar face no sanctions. I feel sorry for the players that need to support their families.

Bang on with your analogy but wouldn't say too precious.

Roar fans have higher expectations, imagine if these lil' ol cash flow issues distracts the team again like last season and we end up a poultry 3rd on the ladder again?

Can't happen for the big and most successful club like Brisbane Roar. We deserve better.

The Analogy is not "bang on" ... if the bank ran a network of franchised homes that you live the analogy might make sense. No one really likes the FF's franchise model so its frustrating when the powers that they have under that arrangement don't get used to protect both BRFC and the HAL from all this bullshit

Again spot on!

Was going to say the same thing, but you did a better job of it.

This year at least the FFA can take over the Roar if things drag on which they couldn't do last year, albeit with disastrous costs (the jets cost millions)

By the time they take over Nix will have more fans than Roar. 

Last time FFA took over Roar they made $10 million. Covered their costs at Newcastle with $5 million in their bank. Not bad of a disaster!

Oh there you are! lol

You are clueless.

Tell me how would you take over a business with hardly any capital? Would love to hear your thoughts on how you would manage to pay a large payroll with no real funds in the bank. Perhaps you would borrow money to fund this venture, but I guess the question is who would fund you when the risks of actually defaulting is so high for a football club. So where do you turn next? Start doubling or tripling association fees? Charge 3 times the amount to Socceroos games? Kill off the PFA so you don;t have to agree to the ludicrous 30% cut in the next media deal? Tell me how do you think the FFA could fund this? Because that's what the problem is atm. It's a lack of funds, not a lack of will like you seem to make it out to be. Gallop isn;t the one pulling the strings on this one. He's not in charge the FFA coffers. He gets told how much he can spend and that's about it. 

Sad as.

The poor players, some of the longer serving ones must be sick of this. Another preseason, another money drama.....

Considering we have a salary cap and that is covered by FFA payments,maybe it's time for FFA to pay players under the cap directly.
In future those paid as Marquees should at least have a bond lodged with FFA to draw from in cases of non payment.

Exactly.  The simplest and best idea.  All clubs submit their contracts and the FFA pays them directly.  At the moment it's a double handed, paper-shuffling exercise.

Yep, excellent idea.

Out of interest when does the FFA distribute the TV money?
Is it one lump sum or monthly?

Yeah, all players should just sign contracts with the FFA like in the USA. The FFA can move around players to make the league more even year to year......

No you peanut.  They're still contracted to their clubs.  The club just submits their contracts or payment schedules to the FFA and the FFA pays them directly with money that would have been granted to the clubs in any case.

The scottyboys are struggling a bit these days lol

So clubs should take off ca $2.5 mil in revenue off their books?
Just like that, click of the fingers.

Cash Flow issues aye Pauly?

Do you even support an A-League Team SWandP?

There's nothing new in this, can any BRFC fan say they didn't expect this to happen at some point?

Cobb or Bakries or the coffee club/pizza boys - there is one consistent factor in all of this that's not the owners - and it is BRFC who despite all the success on the field and decent crowds off it, can not survive commercially. That is perhaps the question the FFA should address because it seems to me a succession of owners come in with grand plans and exit through the same door

How is it not surviving when all the bills have always been paid and at the moment payments being a mere 1 day late lol.

Huge stadium fees is a major disadvantage but getting the right owner is the real issue.

The only way we can ever beat the huge stadium fees is if we were taken over by a rich club like Manchester City, other than that anyone coming in will always have a hard time paying the bills at Suncorp. We need to move but there is no where to move, even if we went to Ballymore I hear it it still quite expensive for a run down stadium and then we would probably lose fans because there is no direct access by train like there is for Suncorp.

I'm all over it all to be honest. How can we as fans support a club who cannot even support their own players,staff and continually make bad decisions off the field. While I have always defended Roar when others call us a joke, but honestly there is no other word for it at the moment, we are a joke, off the field. 

I'm sure it has always been the intention of BRFC management and staff to pay on time but if the money comes in from Indonesia a little late it boils down to the owners.

Hang fire Mr Brisbane, it will come good.

Keep up the excellent trolling Fullback.
What you forget is the absolute contempt with which fans have been treated by management over the years.
If you want to call Roar fans precious go ahead.But I for one believe I have the right to watch a game on tv ,if I want to ,rather than pay exhorbitant membership fees for games played at inconvenient random times.
What clubs and FFA have to realise is they don't have a right to fans attending games.Like most people I have a life outside of football.There are many things I can do and if watching my team live becomes a pain in the rear end ,I am less likely to turn up .I feel no guilt whatsoever in watching HAL on tv.

Much like BR aye Pauly?

How can a player get paid by the FFA but have a contract with the club?
The club has to pay the player after the FFA has paid them or have a contract directly with the FFA.

Also, if the FFA does not pay the clubs to pay the players this will effect their revenues.

LOL No wonder paulc frothes the FFA so much. 

They always buy his club out of trouble. What a debacle of an organisation. 

3 years tops. 

The junior jerk circle one after the other lol.

Yet you're in the middle...

Resort Bukkake.

-PB

You're going all limp wristy today PB. lol

Rofl I edited my post in fear of a JoFFA ban. PTJD Post traumatic JoFFA disorder. 

You guys want players to be subcontractors of the FFA not employees of clubs. I will never think that is a good idea. 

Are you seriously that dense?

I have $3.00 for a muffin.  I can give it to you to pay the lady behind the counter and hope you don't hold onto that money or spend it or I can pay the lady direct.

What do you think is the most efficient method?

The scotties have the corner store mentality so you might need a few more threads to get that through to them.

So when the FFA just gives this money to players what/how do they write the expenses in their system?
yeah nah, *wages*. That would make them employees of the FFA. 

or maybe in no accounting rules land you can just write it off as a gift, and they volunteer to play at clubs.

If you want them to write it as an expense the players better start establishing companies. 

Oh God :blush:

Im sorry , but you agree with a guy who wants to pay for my muffin and thinks that it is ok that I just put th receipt on my books. If you pay for me, I cant put anything in my books. :sick:

You are the ones promoting dodgy business. 
 

You dope.  I've saved you a shitload work and in book keeping and accounting fees because now you don't have 23 contracted players you need to pay fortnightly.

And what's this claiming an non-existent expense you are on about?

Have you ever run a business before?  

:hehe:

wot?

So who do the players have contracts with?
They would have to have them with the FFA under what you just said Dope. Hey Dope you are not dope. You said before that they would still be contracted with the clubs dope. 

Like I said, you are anti footbal if you think the FFA should contract and pay the players. What you are suggesting - players having contracts with clubs but being paid directly from the FFA doesnt make sense. 

Why would you not also give me money to pay for cookies (office staff) when you give me money for muffins?

my understanding was that the ffa was reluctant to move on the bakries with newcastle unresolved.

time is now. the club deserves better than this.  bakries out.

Standard 

Before i go off the rails. Given the they are paid on the 15th, could it just be a bank transfer thing. They did it late, not going to appear till today. 

If its not that, i'm not sure how many breaches the FFA are going to allow. Paying staff on time is vital for moral and a good indication of business health. 

Bye bye Brisbane! 

Stick to extra time, your posts are shit. 

All we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :)

They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in.

We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on.

Serious backing which don't pay their bills? 

fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc?

The truth must hurt you scottyboy.