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+xDidn't realise we were living in Holland. -PB Holland has all the protections just like Belgium does as well, becauyse they are not just talking about Holland but Belgium as well. And they found that the system was abused in both countries despite all the "protections" and it will be abused in Victoria as well, and people will be put to sleep without the proper protocols being followed - downright industrial murder.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAt the risk of bringing Mr Religion into the forum again Victoria becomes the first state to legally allow euthanasia. Well done to them. Sensible, compassionate, progressive, smart and not before time. State sanctioned murder... Yep, deal with it. -PB I don't need to! You need to deal with it, when the pull the plug. I won't be dieing here. You're immortal? If/when they pull the plug will be on my terms (should I be terminal). -PB No silly, I'm not immortal. I just plan to grow old in a country that doesn't have such regressive laws and where abortion and euthanasia is illegal. This slippery slope you will need to contend with. Personally, I’d like to die on my own terms if possible. And with these laws, if I were to go in this manner, I won’t have to worry about my family facing criminal prosecution. That's selfish. You dieing on YOUR terms also means that the laws will be abused and some others die on other people's terms. That's not selfish, that's just finding comfort in the fact that law agrees with my point of view. Ah well. Guess the laws of this country are no longer compatible with your values. Enjoy emigrating to another country. Could not give a rat's arse what some religious nutcase thinks about these laws. I want to go on my own terms not sitting in some nursing home, staring at a wall, surrounded by dementia addled patients, getting my arse wiped because I can't even walk to the toilet and rolled over everyday so I don't get bedsores. When I've had enough take me down to the beach or a spot with a nice view so I can crack a stubby say my goodbyes surrounded by family and friends and shuffle off as the sun goes down. That's the way to go. https://www2.health.vic.gov.au/hospitals-and-health-services/patient-care/end-of-life-care/voluntary-assisted-dyinghttps://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/catholic-church-restates-staunch-opposition-to-voluntary-assisted-dying-laws-20190618-p51yt4.htmlWith 68 safeguards, the bill has been described as the most conservative in the world. A Voluntary Assisted Dying Review Board has been established to review each case. I agree with this. I've had to witness my grandmother suffer years ago . Was one of the most hardest things to see . This law gives people the dignified ending they surely deserve. No stranger deserves a say on people's life's.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAt the risk of bringing Mr Religion into the forum again Victoria becomes the first state to legally allow euthanasia. Well done to them. Sensible, compassionate, progressive, smart and not before time. State sanctioned murder... Yep, deal with it. -PB I don't need to! You need to deal with it, when the pull the plug. I won't be dieing here. You're immortal? If/when they pull the plug will be on my terms (should I be terminal). -PB No silly, I'm not immortal. I just plan to grow old in a country that doesn't have such regressive laws and where abortion and euthanasia is illegal. This slippery slope you will need to contend with. Personally, I’d like to die on my own terms if possible. And with these laws, if I were to go in this manner, I won’t have to worry about my family facing criminal prosecution. That's selfish. You dieing on YOUR terms also means that the laws will be abused and some others die on other people's terms. That's not selfish, that's just finding comfort in the fact that law agrees with my point of view. Ah well. Guess the laws of this country are no longer compatible with your values. Enjoy emigrating to another country. Could not give a rat's arse what some religious nutcase thinks about these laws. I want to go on my own terms not sitting in some nursing home, staring at a wall, surrounded by dementia addled patients, getting my arse wiped because I can't even walk to the toilet and rolled over everyday so I don't get bedsores. When I've had enough take me down to the beach or a spot with a nice view so I can crack a stubby say my goodbyes surrounded by family and friends and shuffle off as the sun goes down. That's the way to go. https://www2.health.vic.gov.au/hospitals-and-health-services/patient-care/end-of-life-care/voluntary-assisted-dyinghttps://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/catholic-church-restates-staunch-opposition-to-voluntary-assisted-dying-laws-20190618-p51yt4.htmlWith 68 safeguards, the bill has been described as the most conservative in the world. A Voluntary Assisted Dying Review Board has been established to review each case. Pretty much a good way to say Byebye imo what you posted. No matter myself having been brought up with a religion no way is it going to dictate my end of life or make me feel guilty as they normally do. Having just gone through a tuff 12mths with my wife's aging parents (now in a home) the visits to hospitals seeing my father inlaw and his fellow patients absolutely hopeless - NO WAY do I wish to hang on in such a state for what ?! Seeing it as I did countless times I felt for these poor people in their last week/s/month or whatever. No matter what God or whoever thinks that life needs to drag on as such they can you know what.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAt the risk of bringing Mr Religion into the forum again Victoria becomes the first state to legally allow euthanasia. Well done to them. Sensible, compassionate, progressive, smart and not before time. State sanctioned murder... Yep, deal with it. -PB I don't need to! You need to deal with it, when the pull the plug. I won't be dieing here. You're immortal? If/when they pull the plug will be on my terms (should I be terminal). -PB No silly, I'm not immortal. I just plan to grow old in a country that doesn't have such regressive laws and where abortion and euthanasia is illegal. This slippery slope you will need to contend with. Personally, I’d like to die on my own terms if possible. And with these laws, if I were to go in this manner, I won’t have to worry about my family facing criminal prosecution. That's selfish. You dieing on YOUR terms also means that the laws will be abused and some others die on other people's terms. That's not selfish, that's just finding comfort in the fact that law agrees with my point of view. Ah well. Guess the laws of this country are no longer compatible with your values. Enjoy emigrating to another country. Could not give a rat's arse what some religious nutcase thinks about these laws. I want to go on my own terms not sitting in some nursing home, staring at a wall, surrounded by dementia addled patients, getting my arse wiped because I can't even walk to the toilet and rolled over everyday so I don't get bedsores. When I've had enough take me down to the beach or a spot with a nice view so I can crack a stubby say my goodbyes surrounded by family and friends and shuffle off as the sun goes down. That's the way to go. https://www2.health.vic.gov.au/hospitals-and-health-services/patient-care/end-of-life-care/voluntary-assisted-dyinghttps://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/catholic-church-restates-staunch-opposition-to-voluntary-assisted-dying-laws-20190618-p51yt4.htmlWith 68 safeguards, the bill has been described as the most conservative in the world. A Voluntary Assisted Dying Review Board has been established to review each case.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAt the risk of bringing Mr Religion into the forum again Victoria becomes the first state to legally allow euthanasia. Well done to them. Sensible, compassionate, progressive, smart and not before time. State sanctioned murder... Yep, deal with it. -PB I don't need to! You need to deal with it, when the pull the plug. I won't be dieing here. You're immortal? If/when they pull the plug will be on my terms (should I be terminal). -PB No silly, I'm not immortal. I just plan to grow old in a country that doesn't have such regressive laws and where abortion and euthanasia is illegal. This slippery slope you will need to contend with. Personally, I’d like to die on my own terms if possible. And with these laws, if I were to go in this manner, I won’t have to worry about my family facing criminal prosecution. That's selfish. You dieing on YOUR terms also means that the laws will be abused and some others die on other people's terms. That's not selfish, that's just finding comfort in the fact that law agrees with my point of view. Ah well. Guess the laws of this country are no longer compatible with your values. Enjoy emigrating to another country.
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Guess you missed the bit where the law requires the patients explicit informed consent.
Besides, the Dutch system is very different to ours. They have euthanasia (physician administers a fatal dose of a drug to the patient) and assisted suicide (physician supplies the lethal drug but the patient administers it). We only have assisted suicide, where a patient is given a drug and they drink it - there's no way for a doctor to "kill" a patient in our system unless they literally force the drug down their throat.
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Didn't realise we were living in Holland. -PB
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+xI know the facts really don't matter at all you to Aikhme, but in any case. > Voluntary assisted dying will be available only to Victorians who are over the age of 18. The patient must be capable of making sound decisions, give informed consent and communicate their decision.
> They must be diagnosed with an incurable disease or a condition that causes intolerable, unrelieved suffering, and must be expected to live for fewer than six months – or no more than 12 months, for those with a neurodegenerative diagnosis.
> The person choosing to end their life must be the one to make the decision to access the laws and it cannot be made by anyone else on their behalf.
> This conversation must be initiated by the patient and no one else. The doctor cannot raise the issue of assisted dying with a patient. Doctors who suggest the assisted dying scheme to patients face a professional misconduct investigation.
So no, no one is going to be able to "pull the plug" as family members literally have zero power in this decision.
Oh sure, as if the system hasn't been abused before. https://www.lifenews.com/2013/04/02/doctor-killed-300-patients-in-euthanasia-to-free-up-hospital-beds/http://www.patientsrightscouncil.org/site/holland-background/1,040 people (an average of 3 per day) died from involuntary euthanasia, meaning that doctors actively killed these patients without the patients’ knowledge or consent.(9)- 14% of these patients were fully competent. (10)
- 72% had never given any indication that they would want their lives terminated. (11)
- In 8% of the cases, doctors performed involuntary euthanasia despite the fact that they believed alternative options were still possible. (12)
In addition, 8,100 patients died as a result of doctors deliberately giving them overdoses of pain medication, not for the primary purpose of controlling pain, but to hasten the patient’s death. (13) In 61% of these cases (4,941 patients), the intentional overdose was given without the patient’s consent.(14)According to the Remmelink Report, Dutch physicians deliberately and intentionally ended the lives of 11,840 people by lethal overdoses or injections–a figure which accounts for 9.1% of the annual overall death rate of 130,000 per year. The majority of all euthanasia deaths in Holland are involuntary deaths.
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+xI know the facts really don't matter at all you to Aikhme, but in any case. > Voluntary assisted dying will be available only to Victorians who are over the age of 18. The patient must be capable of making sound decisions, give informed consent and communicate their decision.
> They must be diagnosed with an incurable disease or a condition that causes intolerable, unrelieved suffering, and must be expected to live for fewer than six months – or no more than 12 months, for those with a neurodegenerative diagnosis.
> The person choosing to end their life must be the one to make the decision to access the laws and it cannot be made by anyone else on their behalf.
> This conversation must be initiated by the patient and no one else. The doctor cannot raise the issue of assisted dying with a patient. Doctors who suggest the assisted dying scheme to patients face a professional misconduct investigation.
So no, no one is going to be able to "pull the plug" as family members literally have zero power in this decision.
Goalpost move incoming....
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I know the facts really don't matter at all you to Aikhme, but in any case. > Voluntary assisted dying will be available only to Victorians who are over the age of 18. The patient must be capable of making sound decisions, give informed consent and communicate their decision.
> They must be diagnosed with an incurable disease or a condition that causes intolerable, unrelieved suffering, and must be expected to live for fewer than six months – or no more than 12 months, for those with a neurodegenerative diagnosis.
> The person choosing to end their life must be the one to make the decision to access the laws and it cannot be made by anyone else on their behalf.
> This conversation must be initiated by the patient and no one else. The doctor cannot raise the issue of assisted dying with a patient. Doctors who suggest the assisted dying scheme to patients face a professional misconduct investigation.
So no, no one is going to be able to "pull the plug" as family members literally have zero power in this decision.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAt the risk of bringing Mr Religion into the forum again Victoria becomes the first state to legally allow euthanasia. Well done to them. Sensible, compassionate, progressive, smart and not before time. State sanctioned murder... Yep, deal with it. -PB I don't need to! You need to deal with it, when the pull the plug. I won't be dieing here. You're immortal? If/when they pull the plug will be on my terms (should I be terminal). -PB No silly, I'm not immortal. I just plan to grow old in a country that doesn't have such regressive laws and where abortion and euthanasia is illegal. This slippery slope you will need to contend with. Personally, I’d like to die on my own terms if possible. And with these laws, if I were to go in this manner, I won’t have to worry about my family facing criminal prosecution. That's selfish. You dieing on YOUR terms also means that the laws will be abused and some others die on other people's terms.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAt the risk of bringing Mr Religion into the forum again Victoria becomes the first state to legally allow euthanasia. Well done to them. Sensible, compassionate, progressive, smart and not before time. State sanctioned murder... Yep, deal with it. -PB I don't need to! You need to deal with it, when the pull the plug. I won't be dieing here. You're immortal? If/when they pull the plug will be on my terms (should I be terminal). -PB No silly, I'm not immortal. I just plan to grow old in a country that doesn't have such regressive laws and where abortion and euthanasia is illegal. This slippery slope you will need to contend with. I've contended with it, just now, done. Next. -PB That's really good! You won't have a choice when they come to pull the plug.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAt the risk of bringing Mr Religion into the forum again Victoria becomes the first state to legally allow euthanasia. Well done to them. Sensible, compassionate, progressive, smart and not before time. State sanctioned murder... Yep, deal with it. -PB I don't need to! You need to deal with it, when the pull the plug. I won't be dieing here. You're immortal? If/when they pull the plug will be on my terms (should I be terminal). -PB No silly, I'm not immortal. I just plan to grow old in a country that doesn't have such regressive laws and where abortion and euthanasia is illegal. This slippery slope you will need to contend with. Personally, I’d like to die on my own terms if possible. And with these laws, if I were to go in this manner, I won’t have to worry about my family facing criminal prosecution.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAt the risk of bringing Mr Religion into the forum again Victoria becomes the first state to legally allow euthanasia. Well done to them. Sensible, compassionate, progressive, smart and not before time. State sanctioned murder... Yep, deal with it. -PB I don't need to! You need to deal with it, when the pull the plug. I won't be dieing here. You're immortal? If/when they pull the plug will be on my terms (should I be terminal). -PB No silly, I'm not immortal. I just plan to grow old in a country that doesn't have such regressive laws and where abortion and euthanasia is illegal. This slippery slope you will need to contend with. I've contended with it, just now, done. Next. -PB
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+x+x+x+x+xAt the risk of bringing Mr Religion into the forum again Victoria becomes the first state to legally allow euthanasia. Well done to them. Sensible, compassionate, progressive, smart and not before time. State sanctioned murder... Yep, deal with it. -PB I don't need to! You need to deal with it, when the pull the plug. I won't be dieing here. You're immortal? If/when they pull the plug will be on my terms (should I be terminal). -PB No silly, I'm not immortal. I just plan to grow old in a country that doesn't have such regressive laws and where abortion and euthanasia is illegal. This slippery slope you will need to contend with.
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+xAt the risk of bringing Mr Religion into the forum again Victoria becomes the first state to legally allow euthanasia. Well done to them. Sensible, compassionate, progressive, smart and not before time. Well done Victoria.
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+x+x+x+xAt the risk of bringing Mr Religion into the forum again Victoria becomes the first state to legally allow euthanasia. Well done to them. Sensible, compassionate, progressive, smart and not before time. State sanctioned murder... Yep, deal with it. -PB I don't need to! You need to deal with it, when the pull the plug. I won't be dieing here. You're immortal? If/when they pull the plug will be on my terms (should I be terminal). -PB
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+x+x+xAt the risk of bringing Mr Religion into the forum again Victoria becomes the first state to legally allow euthanasia. Well done to them. Sensible, compassionate, progressive, smart and not before time. State sanctioned murder... Yep, deal with it. -PB I don't need to! You need to deal with it, when the pull the plug. I won't be dieing here.
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+x+xAt the risk of bringing Mr Religion into the forum again Victoria becomes the first state to legally allow euthanasia. Well done to them. Sensible, compassionate, progressive, smart and not before time. State sanctioned murder... Yep, deal with it. -PB
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+xAt the risk of bringing Mr Religion into the forum again Victoria becomes the first state to legally allow euthanasia. Well done to them. Sensible, compassionate, progressive, smart and not before time. State sanctioned murder...
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+x+x+xAt the risk of bringing Mr Religion into the forum again Victoria becomes the first state to legally allow euthanasia. Well done to them. Sensible, compassionate, progressive, smart and not before time. Didn't the Northern Territory do that years ago but was overturned? Yup, decades ago, Fed Gumnut said yeah nah bro. -PB Yeah, that's the difference in rights between states and territories, like when ACT legalised marriage equality for five minutes.
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+x+xAt the risk of bringing Mr Religion into the forum again Victoria becomes the first state to legally allow euthanasia. Well done to them. Sensible, compassionate, progressive, smart and not before time. Didn't the Northern Territory do that years ago but was overturned? Yup, decades ago, Fed Gumnut said yeah nah bro. -PB
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+xAt the risk of bringing Mr Religion into the forum again Victoria becomes the first state to legally allow euthanasia. Well done to them. Sensible, compassionate, progressive, smart and not before time. Didn't the Northern Territory do that years ago but was overturned?
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At the risk of bringing Mr Religion into the forum again Victoria becomes the first state to legally allow euthanasia. Well done to them. Sensible, compassionate, progressive, smart and not before time.
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+xGeez, who'd wanna buy a high rise apartment in Sydney atm lol -PB Million dollar unliveable dog boxes.
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Geez, who'd wanna buy a high rise apartment in Sydney atm lol -PB
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+x+x+xIs it a bit of a media beat up all this issue regarding Triple J changing the date of the Hottest 100?? I know I was amazed that it was labelled as "breaking news" on the ABC website when it happened (but they are an ABC service so I could understand). But for the Communications Minister to get involved ... I can't imagine he has listened to the radio station for some 20 plus years. For me I don't really care, it sounds like Triple J asked their audience and they responded. Most radio stations programs are determined by the listeners, so don't really see the problem. I personally don't listen to Triple J (although I will listen to some of their interview podcasts) and haven't done for over 10 years ... they sort of lose their relevance after your early 20's. Which is fine because their target audience is for the younger generations. The scheduling for Australia Day is now going to focus on Australian music (inc. indigenous artists), crosses to the Australian of the Year awards, and other features relating to the history (and future) of Australia. Triple J are wankers and I'll tell you why. They want Australia Day moved from Jan 26 BUT according to the ABC charter they have to be apolitical so as a way around this they've moved the hottest 100 instead. The same way those councils in Victoria have said they won't perform citizenship ceremonies on Jan 26. (As a stance against Jan 26 as Australia Day.) What they really should be doing is lobbying for Australia Day to be moved BUT they can't. So they've come up with this abortion of a stance to assuage their little lefty whinging SJW's. Personally I think that Australia Day should be moved. (And as a bonus it would shut that fat fuck Briggs up). And I say all of this as a 30 year rabid Triple J listener and supporter. Just scrolling down and saw this post.
Have you seen this video? If not- enjoy:
Brilliant. Thanks for posting. The Kendrick Lamar stuff was bang on.
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+x+xIs it a bit of a media beat up all this issue regarding Triple J changing the date of the Hottest 100?? I know I was amazed that it was labelled as "breaking news" on the ABC website when it happened (but they are an ABC service so I could understand). But for the Communications Minister to get involved ... I can't imagine he has listened to the radio station for some 20 plus years. For me I don't really care, it sounds like Triple J asked their audience and they responded. Most radio stations programs are determined by the listeners, so don't really see the problem. I personally don't listen to Triple J (although I will listen to some of their interview podcasts) and haven't done for over 10 years ... they sort of lose their relevance after your early 20's. Which is fine because their target audience is for the younger generations. The scheduling for Australia Day is now going to focus on Australian music (inc. indigenous artists), crosses to the Australian of the Year awards, and other features relating to the history (and future) of Australia. Triple J are wankers and I'll tell you why. They want Australia Day moved from Jan 26 BUT according to the ABC charter they have to be apolitical so as a way around this they've moved the hottest 100 instead. The same way those councils in Victoria have said they won't perform citizenship ceremonies on Jan 26. (As a stance against Jan 26 as Australia Day.) What they really should be doing is lobbying for Australia Day to be moved BUT they can't. So they've come up with this abortion of a stance to assuage their little lefty whinging SJW's. Personally I think that Australia Day should be moved. (And as a bonus it would shut that fat fuck Briggs up). And I say all of this as a 30 year rabid Triple J listener and supporter. Just scrolling down and saw this post.
Have you seen this video? If not- enjoy:
There are only two intellectually honest debate tactics: (a) pointing out errors or omissions in your opponent’s facts, or (b) pointing out errors or omissions in your opponent’s logic. All other debate tactics are intellectually dishonest - John T. Reed
The Most Popular Presidential Candidate Of All Time (TM) cant go to a sports stadium in the country he presides over. Figure that one out...
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Seeing that the guy handed himself in, there might be some form of a statement from him at some point. Not that it matters, nothing justifies what he did, just need some understanding as to how people get to this point, fucking insanity. -PB
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