Ange Postecoglou on Aussie youth development


Ange Postecoglou on Aussie youth development

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In Ange's new book, Changing The Game, in the chapter, No - man's land, he provides in depth perceptions of Australia's current youth development  system.

It is very interesting reading.
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Any summary pls
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krones3 - 8 Oct 2016 9:53 PM
Any summary pls

Ange is concerned about anyone involved with youth coaching being replaced immediately with the new regime change - him, O'Connor, Blanco, Scheinflug, Smith. Tacit in his view is they should've been retrained and kept in the system.

He is also concerned that Aussie youth teams have been used to advance coaches' careers, not the players. He wants specialist youth coaches to be coaching elite youth.

He thinks too many appointments for national team youth jobs have been given to rookie coaches with no background in youth.

He attributes the current lack of national team results is a consequence of  having too few players in elite programs, like only 20 at the AIS. He wants 3 000 players. He thinks most Asian countries are developing youth programmes much faster than us with much greater financial resources.

He also said that even the best past youth  underage national youth teams would struggle to qualify through Asia.

Ange considers youth programs should be to aim to create quality players for the future not be appraised on results.

He also considers the AIS was a novel concept 15 years ago, but development is done far better at club level. FFA has not been doing this, but is just starting to.

He doesn't acknowledge how much the National Curriculum has improved things as much as I thought he would.

He has also said that ultimately things were very wrong with Aussie football at senior level because we failed to qualify for a World Cup for 32 years. 

He is very much against foreign coaches coming in who've recognised nothing beneficial from any  previous domestic coaching in Australia.

Ange is basically anti foreign coaches. He is a massive advocate for local coaches.

He thought the NSL was good for developing underage youth players because they played so many  games. Conversely, he said HAL youth teams only have an 8 game season.
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Are the NTC programs not considered elite ? 
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Hmm interesting he needs to come to regional queensland and take a look at the way things are run here.
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lukerobinho - 9 Oct 2016 2:15 PM
Are the NTC programs not considered elite ? 

They are.


Ange just wants to see a lot more players having access to supposed elite coaching and playing 40 games per season.
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He must be reading my posts
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Decentric - 9 Oct 2016 9:40 AM
krones3 - 8 Oct 2016 9:53 PM

Ange is concerned about anyone involved with youth coaching being replaced immediately with the new regime change - him, O'Connor, Blanco, Scheinflug, Smith. Tacit in his view is they should've been retrained and kept in the system.

He is also concerned that Aussie youth teams have been used to advance coaches' careers, not the players. He wants specialist youth coaches to be coaching elite youth.

He thinks too many appointments for national team youth jobs have been given to rookie coaches with no background in youth.

He attributes the current lack of national team results is a consequence of  having too few players in elite programs, like only 20 at the AIS. He wants 3 000 players. He thinks most Asian countries are developing youth programmes much faster than us with much greater financial resources.

He also said that even the best past youth  underage national youth teams would struggle to qualify through Asia.

Ange considers youth programs should be to aim to create quality players for the future not be appraised on results.

He also considers the AIS was a novel concept 15 years ago, but development is done far better at club level. FFA has not been doing this, but is just starting to.

He doesn't acknowledge how much the National Curriculum has improved things as much as I thought he would.

He has also said that ultimately things were very wrong with Aussie football at senior level because we failed to qualify for a World Cup for 32 years. 

He is very much against foreign coaches coming in who've recognised nothing beneficial from any  previous domestic coaching in Australia.

Ange is basically anti foreign coaches. He is a massive advocate for local coaches.

He thought the NSL was good for developing underage youth players because they played so many  games. Conversely, he said HAL youth teams only have an 8 game season.

Haven't read the book let alone purchased it yet, but not surprised by the commentary D.
Interesting your comments about his preference for local coaches, then we have to ask why he had Gombau appointed to the U23 role and not a local coach.
Is he sending a message to local coaches about their philosophies and visions?
Not surprised about the National Curriculum either, lets remember the NC documentation was the basis for coaches to work on and develop their own philosophies and visions.
At the moment everyone in NPL is trying to follow the NC word for word its like The Life of Brian, everyone looking for the Messiah.
"He is also concerned that Aussie youth teams have been used to advance coaches' careers" That happens at all levels way to much.

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Decentric - 9 Oct 2016 9:40 AM
krones3 - 8 Oct 2016 9:53 PM

Ange is concerned about anyone involved with youth coaching being replaced immediately with the new regime change - him, O'Connor, Blanco, Scheinflug, Smith. Tacit in his view is they should've been retrained and kept in the system.

He is also concerned that Aussie youth teams have been used to advance coaches' careers, not the players. He wants specialist youth coaches to be coaching elite youth.

He thinks too many appointments for national team youth jobs have been given to rookie coaches with no background in youth.

He attributes the current lack of national team results is a consequence of  having too few players in elite programs, like only 20 at the AIS. He wants 3 000 players. He thinks most Asian countries are developing youth programmes much faster than us with much greater financial resources.

He also said that even the best past youth  underage national youth teams would struggle to qualify through Asia.

Ange considers youth programs should be to aim to create quality players for the future not be appraised on results.

He also considers the AIS was a novel concept 15 years ago, but development is done far better at club level. FFA has not been doing this, but is just starting to.

He doesn't acknowledge how much the National Curriculum has improved things as much as I thought he would.

He has also said that ultimately things were very wrong with Aussie football at senior level because we failed to qualify for a World Cup for 32 years. 

He is very much against foreign coaches coming in who've recognised nothing beneficial from any  previous domestic coaching in Australia.

Ange is basically anti foreign coaches. He is a massive advocate for local coaches.

He thought the NSL was good for developing underage youth players because they played so many  games. Conversely, he said HAL youth teams only have an 8 game season.

Interesting comments from Ange, got to get the book for the full course.
Ironic if he doesnt like foreign coaches who have unknown backgrounds when he has appointed Gombau as the u23 coach.
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"Ange considers youth programs should be to aim to create quality players for the future not be appraised on results." :)


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Arthur - 10 Oct 2016 3:32 PM
Decentric - 9 Oct 2016 9:40 AM

Haven't read the book let alone purchased it yet, but not surprised by the commentary D.
Interesting your comments about his preference for local coaches, then we have to ask why he had Gombau appointed to the U23 role and not a local coach.
Is he sending a message to local coaches about their philosophies and visions?
 


 
At the same time he exhorts the appointment of specialist, experienced youth coaches in Australia. He is concerned  about creating jobs for the  boys for rookie coaches - obviously meaning the former Socceroos , Talay, Tony Vidmar, Paul Okon,  who start off coaching at national, underage youth level.

I hink he was instrumental in Gombau's appointment in the Aussie underage development system as he is very experienced in youth coaching, having used similar methodology in Spain  to what we now do in Oz.

Ange is also  emphatic experienced senior team coaches should not be appointed to   the upper echelons of youth coaching. We now have two pathways for FFA Advanced coaching courses  - youth, or senior, certainly at C Licence level. He obviously puts Aurelio Vidmar and  GVE in this ' senior specialist' category.
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Barca4Life - 10 Oct 2016 8:48 PM
Decentric - 9 Oct 2016 9:40 AM

Interesting comments from Ange, got to get the book for the full course.
Ironic if he doesnt like foreign coaches who have unknown backgrounds when he has appointed Gombau as the u23 coach.

Gombau is a youth specialist, that we currently lack .

Ange was annoyed about  being overlooked as part of the old  system that was labelled as knowing nothing about football by the Dutch coaching imports.
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Decentric - 12 Oct 2016 11:21 AM
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Gombau is a youth specialist, that we currently lack .

Ange was annoyed about  being overlooked as part of the old  system that was labelled as knowing nothing about football by the Dutch coaching imports.

I agree with this, but sadly many within our football community have label him as some sort of entertainer than a valued technician.

Many have forget the type of football Adelaide united were playing under him i.e quite similar to Ange at his Brisbane roar days and some of the players have improved to point they even made the national team.
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That is not good to read Barca, Gombau/Reds was just season before last from memory, his ground work took them to being current Champs as we know.
I admired watching his passion from the sideline and tactical nous and giving sqaudys support to where they are now.
We should be looking after him in his current role and give him more support !

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Starting to read the book now and interesting for me is Anges experience of going to Clairefontaine.
He started a program with the FFV called V-Elite, Eric Hollingsworth the State TD/High performance manger was very supportive of this program.
In Victoria this also spawned some of the best youth coaches in Melbourne.

It was based on Clairfontaine principles of bringing in youth players for 1-3 sessions a week and the players always returned and played for their Club.

Currently the NTC programs take the best players away into isolated programs. The WOFP if you read the development program will revert to a system the Ange system as FFV Elite. NTC's will train identified players and they will play for their clubs.

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Arthur - 17 Oct 2016 8:36 AM
Starting to read the book now and interesting for me is Anges experience of going to Clairefontaine.
He started a program with the FFV called V-Elite, Eric Hollingsworth the State TD/High performance manger was very supportive of this program.
In Victoria this also spawned some of the best youth coaches in Melbourne.

It was based on Clairfontaine principles of bringing in youth players for 1-3 sessions a week and the players always returned and played for their Club.

Currently the NTC programs take the best players away into isolated programs. The WOFP if you read the development program will revert to a system the Ange system as FFV Elite. NTC's will train identified players and they will play for their clubs.

This Clairefontaine model of elite players playing for and training at  clubs as well as training at COE centres is being followed here already.  

It may already have been decentralised to clubs completely. That is, with the FFA TD having  to work in conjunction with club TDs and coaches to develop programs at club level. 
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LFC. - 14 Oct 2016 1:55 PM
That is not good to read Barca, Gombau/Reds was just season before last from memory, his ground work took them to being current Champs as we know.
I admired watching his passion from the sideline and tactical nous and giving sqaudys support to where they are now.
We should be looking after him in his current role and give him more support !

I honestly don't get what you mean here, lets see how Gombau goes with u23s.

I personally have him as our TD or head chief of the youth teams and perhaps could even educate the next gen of coaches coming through as i think the coaching methodology he being trained at FC Barcelona is far more stronger than the FFA NC methods. 
Having seen what he, Amor and the assistant for WSW their teams have been transformed around completely i not convinced our coach education system can do the same thing.
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No it's not far from it.
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Barca4Life - 17 Oct 2016 12:57 PM
LFC. - 14 Oct 2016 1:55 PM

I honestly don't get what you mean here, lets see how Gombau goes with u23s.

I personally have him as our TD or head chief of the youth teams and perhaps could even educate the next gen of coaches coming through as i think the coaching methodology he being trained at FC Barcelona is far more stronger than the FFA NC methods. 
Having seen what he, Amor and the assistant for WSW their teams have been transformed around completely i not convinced our coach education system can do the same thing.

Sorry mate spanglish.
I was commenting on your post regards to Gombau - you quoted " but sadly many within our football community have label him as some sort of entertainer than a valued technician."
As mentioned I feel his coaching of Adelaide from '13 - '15 set the winning platform of last season.
He's just what our YL/U23's need hence my comment he being given as much support as possible within FFA, sure, his results in the future will tell.

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