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Davo1985
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+xThe most disappointing aspect of this news, as usual, has been the reaction by other parties, especially within the Football community. The media instant reaction has been "well you should have stopped the flares and fights" The club couldn't be quick enough to make clear stand by it's "0% tolerance policy." The flogs are upset that they don't get their free match-day entertainment. No one has acknowledged how shit it is to be an active fan these days, it's all "Fuck you, you deserved this." The idea pushed by dickheads like Jon Ralph that there are brawls between fans within Active areas is so utterly wrong and infuriating to hear. The only time there is ever any commotion, it's between authorities and fans and I would say 100% of the time it's instigated by the police. I'm not surprised the leaders have packed it in, I'm not crazy about how Horda have carried on in the past but all things being equal, it's a thankless task with stupid hours and no pay that get's you labelled as a terrorist. I only go to the active area these days to be able to stand freely with my mates and have a laugh up the back. I couldn't care less about any Ultra cred or dick-measuring contest with other clubs but even I'm utterly jaded by the whole thing. The experience this season has been so awful that I would not have renewed my membership in the area if I knew it would be like that. I'm honestly sick of knowing that going to Football will mean having to endure an inquisition that is worse than a airports customs check and inventively being forced to tell the police to back off over some utterly minor issue like free movement. Cant believe im saying this but i 100% agree with you. And i think the ones that are happy to let this happen will realise the result of it in due course. It will happen slowly a bit like it has happened in the epl where so many of the stadiums have hardly any atmosphere in them anymore because they are made to sit. Forget flares, u cant even bring a fucking banner at games there. And its what will happen here as we're already seeing it.
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Davo1985
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+xFree entertainment? I find it interesting that you describe going to the game and supporting your team as free match day entertainment If active support did act with the forethought that they are providing an entertaining match day atmosphere for other fans then why would they do so using tools that create images that are iconic with negativity and of detriment to our game? Peter Hore also provided fans with free match day entertainment in 1998 and I don't recall people lining up to thank him There is a world of difference between creating entertaining atmosphere for the enjoyment of players, fans, and the venue - and providing amusement for oneself The actions of active support are often stupid and selfish. I don't recall people sending a statement of thanks to those active supporters who took flares to regional grounds in FFA cup games and carried on like their brains were in the same cavity as their equipment There is a right way and a wrong way in creating free match day entertainment. The right way is the one that is not illegal and adheres to the rules and wishes of the club, the stadia and law enforcement So basically sit down and dont move and if u must say something, sing a lil song but please dont be rude or u will be kicked out... because thats the sort direction we are taking. As i said just before, the epl has taken a bad turn with regards to atmosphere and the gloss.of what was now distinctive is losing its appeal with regards to match day experience, and Germany has very well easily taken over in that respect. A real shame that we are heading in the same direction.. I think more could have been done with educating police in this instance. The ridiculous iver reaction of riot police at the last derby was a classic case in point. No wonder the active groups are starting to disband, it must be an utterly difficult job trying to support your club actively by organising all the tifo on match days and then have police threaten u if u dare move away from ur designated seat.
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Enzo Bearzot
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The police presence is well and truly over the top. They're decked out as if they're in France about deal with a terrorist situation. Guns in holsters over both legs, battens at the ready. Absolutely ridiculous.
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MCMH
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A 4-1 pumping in a derby, coupled with all the hype on City and victory seemingly having a so-so start to the season and the fans leave the club! Show's what theyre really made of!
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Axelv
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+x+xThe most disappointing aspect of this news, as usual, has been the reaction by other parties, especially within the Football community. The media instant reaction has been "well you should have stopped the flares and fights" The club couldn't be quick enough to make clear stand by it's "0% tolerance policy." The flogs are upset that they don't get their free match-day entertainment. No one has acknowledged how shit it is to be an active fan these days, it's all "Fuck you, you deserved this." The idea pushed by dickheads like Jon Ralph that there are brawls between fans within Active areas is so utterly wrong and infuriating to hear. The only time there is ever any commotion, it's between authorities and fans and I would say 100% of the time it's instigated by the police. I'm not surprised the leaders have packed it in, I'm not crazy about how Horda have carried on in the past but all things being equal, it's a thankless task with stupid hours and no pay that get's you labelled as a terrorist. I only go to the active area these days to be able to stand freely with my mates and have a laugh up the back. I couldn't care less about any Ultra cred or dick-measuring contest with other clubs but even I'm utterly jaded by the whole thing. The experience this season has been so awful that I would not have renewed my membership in the area if I knew it would be like that. I'm honestly sick of knowing that going to Football will mean having to endure an inquisition that is worse than a airports customs check and inventively being forced to tell the police to back off over some utterly minor issue like free movement. Cant believe im saying this but i 100% agree with you. And i think the ones that are happy to let this happen will realise the result of it in due course. It will happen slowly a bit like it has happened in the epl where so many of the stadiums have hardly any atmosphere in them anymore because they are made to sit. Forget flares, u cant even bring a fucking banner at games there. And its what will happen here as we're already seeing it. Spot on. Thinking that the NT disbanding is positive is short sighted. The long term impact could mean that Melbourne Victory will become a Mariners type club on match day, sterile and devoid of atmosphere. We already experienced that 3 years ago during protests. Exciting atmosphere is what sets the A-League apart from other codes, lose it and what do we have left? I was going to take one of my friends that have never been to an A-League game to the Melbourne Derby in December, it turns out he can't go, but I'm glad that he can't because the atmosphere will be shit.
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aufc_ole
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+xThe police presence is well and truly over the top. They're decked out as if they're in France about deal with a terrorist situation. Guns in holsters over both legs, battens at the ready. Absolutely ridiculous. Someone needs to have a word with the police/stadium security
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TheSelectFew
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NT hasn't disbanded. Far too many shooting their load here.
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Victory>Heart
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+xNT hasn't disbanded. Far too many shooting their load here. Nope, it's on hiatus. Let's see what the club is going to do to get them back but there's always a solution to any problem. If a couple of months of unrest means the removal of some frankly ridiculous restrictions, it'll be positive overall.
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TheSelectFew
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+x+xNT hasn't disbanded. Far too many shooting their load here. Nope, it's on hiatus. Let's see what the club is going to do to get them back but there's always a solution to any problem. If a couple of months of unrest means the removal of some frankly ridiculous restrictions, it'll be positive overall. The restrictions didnt stop some random bloke with pyro rofl.
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melbourne_terrace
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+x+xNT hasn't disbanded. Far too many shooting their load here. Nope, it's on hiatus. Let's see what the club is going to do to get them back but there's always a solution to any problem. If a couple of months of unrest means the removal of some frankly ridiculous restrictions, it'll be positive overall. They aren't coming back. Those who have walked are genuinely done with the whole thing and will either move their seats next season to another area of the ground or watch from the pub. If an organised NT comes back, it will be with a new leadership and a new approach. There is two other groups with the numbers to run the new active area but there is no guarantee that either is willing to commit to leading the movement. The problem is that there is still a whole mob of un-affiliated people who still will go to the active bays as it's on their membership but there will be no way of formally organising them and it could either just fall to shit quickly or actually become an uncontrollable chaos in the stands that the Club has always been afraid of.
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tsf
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Another problem is our stadiums in Aus are far too good for what breeds fan culture.
They're built for people to get their $10 pies and $6 bottles of water for little Johhny with 30 CCTV cameras on you making sure you don't stand in a no standing area. Anyone who has been to games in Europe will have noticed the polished and sterile nature here compared to more robust grounds overseas (with the exception of EPL clubs which are fairley dismal). Which is why the NT was probably so successful - it grew out of a proper terrace + atmosphere.
Aami could still thrive, but only if the cops + seccos back off. Hard to see it happening in this nanny state, and the sad thing is we could say they're destroyed it (which they have) but we will never know if they would've gone easier and let us have a proper terrace and not gotten to involved if a few knuckleheads didn't do a few silly things (having said that in ten years of going to games off and on I have never seen any trouble that justifies the overkill).
I was in the terrace for the derby but to the right - I didn't realise how full on the cops + seccos were to people in the middle of the terrace - grabbing them saying 'where do you think you're going?' for talking to a mate a row away, like they have done for ten years.
No wonder they walked away. The enjoyment has gone.
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MCMH
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+xAnother problem is our stadiums in Aus are far too good for what breeds fan culture. They're built for people to get their $10 pies and $6 bottles of water for little Johhny with 30 CCTV cameras on you making sure you don't stand in a no standing area. Anyone who has been to games in Europe will have noticed the polished and sterile nature here compared to more robust grounds overseas (with the exception of EPL clubs which are fairley dismal). Which is why the NT was probably so successful - it grew out of a proper terrace + atmosphere. Aami could still thrive, but only if the cops + seccos back off. Hard to see it happening in this nanny state, and the sad thing is we could say they're destroyed it (which they have) but we will never know if they would've gone easier and let us have a proper terrace and not gotten to involved if a few knuckleheads didn't do a few silly things (having said that in ten years of going to games off and on I have never seen any trouble that justifies the overkill). I was in the terrace for the derby but to the right - I didn't realise how full on the cops + seccos were to people in the middle of the terrace - grabbing them saying 'where do you think you're going?' for talking to a mate a row away, like they have done for ten years. No wonder they walked away. The enjoyment has gone. + I don't think it helps when you were getting pumped 4-1 and the NT probably couldn't take it so it added to the angst
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scotty21
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FFS you cant actually think the derby result had anything to do with this
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And Everyone Blamed Clive
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FOLLOW-UP STATEMENT re North Terrace In light of the recent announcement regarding the indefinite ceasing of active support by the North Terrace at Melbourne Victory matches, it would be only fair that the reasons behind this decision are explained to our many supporters and critics alike. In the wake of the Round 2 match against the City Football Group on Saturday 15 October, the leadership group, the North Terrace Collective, determined that the current situation for active support in the North End is untenable and unsustainable. In terms of the prevailing culture and standards of our own supporter base and our relationship with the Melbourne Victory Football Club, not to mention the authorities including Victoria Police, stadium security and the FFA.
This difficult decision was a long time coming, with the recently imposed 'minimum standard' regime of allocated seating combined with fixed memberships - both of which restrict freedom of movement and expression, leadership and growth within the terrace - being the ultimate reason for the decision. It is essentially a very bad deal.
Since 2005 the North Terrace has endeavored - against tremendous odds - to advance the cause of active support in Australian football and specifically provide an atmosphere and spectacle that our players and the general fan base truly appreciate. In doing so, over the past 11 years we have staunchly maintained our independence from club and commercial interests alike; provided an at times radical, always critical, voice in defence of our game and fellow supporters against sanitisation and exploitation. We have consistently stood up for the rights and freedoms of active supporters. In doing so, we have also created a community that is very real, more real to us than the contrived football franchise that essentially brought us together. We have shown remarkable solidarity and discipline in numerous meaningful actions, that at least to some extent, were appreciated by the wider football community. Admittedly we have been occasionally controversial and divisive through our actions, and acknowledge the concerns of our critics who feared the perceived negative impact of North Terrace ‘fanaticism’ on the game and its future. Despite being factional, at its core our community is tight-knit, supportive and committed.
This is contrasted with many examples of repression and heavy handedness by the authorities. Often in the guise of: • Excessive and counter-productive stadium bans and match day restrictions imposed by the FFA and related third parties. • Disingenuous, frustrating and / or fruitless negotiations on the part of the Club, resulting in a general dissolution of our own supporter culture within the Terrace. This has led to widespread apathy and a loss of ‘mentality’ that have sadly taken their toll on the North Terrace.__
Many have commented that the North Terrace should persevere, push on and overcome these issues. People need to keep in mind the amount of dedication, hard work and personal risk it has taken to keep the Terrace going over these years. For someone to step up and be a leader in this scene, to try to influence others for better or worse, is a big ask, a huge responsibility.
The current restrictions imposed on the North Terrace, together with the unrealistic expectations of the club and possibly the wider fan base, make effective leadership at best an unenviable task, at worst an impossible one. To the point that, for members of an organised supporters group to attend matches, it is no longer a thing of enjoyment as it should be. For those that lead the Terrace, the capos, it has become a stressful burden (capos and other leaders are entrusted to take up these informal, voluntary positions of leadership based on the respect, good will and camaraderie of their peers, not through a formal application process overseen by the Club).
Marches have been banned, group and message banners restricted, approved and paid-for tifos and choreographies refused and cancelled at the last minute, flags and standards have been limited in distribution. Not to mention, provocative security and police who almost always chose the ‘take-down’ over a peaceful, restorative solution and ongoing surveillance and blacklisting by a private and unaccountable counter-terrorism consultancy firm with a vested interest in trouble at the football. And finally, restrictive memberships and the introduction of a new seating regime that prevents friends being allowed to stand with friends and new participants, ensuring that they cannot participate freely in the North Terrace.
THE FUTURE
This is not a protest or a boycott or a strike. For the North Terrace to continue as its traditional self in this climate, is a battle we cannot win. In short, it’s over. We would kindly request that fans who choose to continue with active support in the North End: • No longer refer to the North End as the ‘North Terrace’ • No longer chant the name ‘North Terrace’ in any songs (E.g. ‘Horto Magico’) • No longer wear North Terrace merchandise and cease the distribution of stickers • Do not attempt to resurrect the North Terrace by name or tradition.
We do not wish that our name be sullied by club-appointed representatives that fail to uphold the tenet of independence that the North Terrace was founded upon.
Finally, it would be most appropriate to thank our members, anything from 1,500 to 2,000 fans who over 11 years proudly considered themselves ‘NT’ and supported the cause so brilliantly, be it through voice, loyalty, dollar, talent or idea. Many thanks also to those of the wider Melbourne Victory fan base; the many men, women and children who appreciated and supported the North Terrace over the years. Many thanks are also extended to the players and a handful of Melbourne Victory staff who supported the North Terrace over the years.NT ’05 – OUR WAY
Winner of Official 442 Comment of the day Award - 10th April 2017
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And Everyone Blamed Clive
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more real to us than the contrived football franchise that essentially brought us together.

Winner of Official 442 Comment of the day Award - 10th April 2017
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alvn1
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+xmore real to us than the contrived football franchise that essentially brought us together.

can't wait for the next Contrived Football Franchise v Marketing Experiment derby
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MCMH
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There it was proven in all it's power. In the wake of the Round 2.. 4-1 demolition at the hands of the City Football Group on Saturday 15 October!!!
They couldn't take it! JOG ON, think you're bigger than the club!
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RedshirtWilly
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+xmore real to us than the contrived football franchise that essentially brought us together.

Did they just mic drop the same club they invested everything in for the past 11 years? MVTIDon't want to anymore?
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And Everyone Blamed Clive
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+xmore real to us than the contrived football franchise that essentially brought us together.

Winner of Official 442 Comment of the day Award - 10th April 2017
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eldorado
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Contrived football franchise???
But I thought they were VICTREE 4LYFE111111
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Feed_The_Brox
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are they returning?
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kaufusi
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They haven't told me if so
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someguyjc
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They posted on their FB page yesterday "Stay tuned..." Considering they haven't posted on that page since 2016, it could mean they are returning. Could also be nothing.
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Waz
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+xThey posted on their FB page yesterday "Stay tuned..." Considering they haven't posted on that page since 2016, it could mean they are returning. Could also be nothing. Magnificent troll if it is 😂
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someguyjc
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Here's an amusing statistic: The North Terrace facebook page has 13k followers and they disbanded 3 years ago. Western United facebook page currently has 12.2k followers.
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melbourne_terrace
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Some might, a lot wont. There were certainly be some groups that were part of the core NT that would still be vehemently against the whole thing unless something huge has changed. That said a lot of the original members would be well into their 30's with young families now so whether they even care anymore is something else.
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tsf
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+xSome might, a lot wont. There were certainly be some groups that were part of the core NT that would still be vehemently against the whole thing unless something huge has changed. That said a lot of the original members would be well into their 30's with young families now so whether they even care anymore is something else. Everyone wants to get out the house now or take the kids :)
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griff1
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North End to become a family friendly zone, with MVFC colouring books and stickers provided
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scubaroo
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+xNorth End to become a family friendly zone, with MVFC colouring books and stickers provided I feel like your saying that colouring books and stickers are a bad thing, id be keen. 😁
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Feed_The_Brox
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+xSome might, a lot wont. There were certainly be some groups that were part of the core NT that would still be vehemently against the whole thing unless something huge has changed.
I heard rumours during the offseason they were planning on returning. some of the bans have expired, but I'm not sure if that's at all related. and if they do return, there is zero chance it'll be in the north end active area after the club announcement yesterday re guest passes.
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