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Ok, so I got really bored at work the other day, and thought to myself: "How interesting would it be if there was no World Cup qualifiers, and it was just straight knockout, home and away ties all the way until the grand final?"
So, thanks to FIFA World Cup 2014 (a little bit outdated, but I'll probably do it again when the 2018 World Cup game comes out next year), I can make this happen. Here are the draw rules:
Because I'm using FIFA WC 2014 game, that means of the current 211 FIFA members, there are only 203 nations present (Kosovo and Gibraltar hadn't joined FIFA yet, and Bhutan, Brunei, Guam, Mauritania, Mauritius and South Sudan didn't enter). Even though I'm using FIFA WC 2014, I will be using the CURRENT FIFA Rankings for the seedlings. Seedlings are only used for the first two rounds as follows: Byes are only to the 2nd round. This is to make a clean 128 nations remaining. Therefore, the top 53 nations, all get a bye through to the second round. (Unfortunately, Australia is 54, so.. we are in the first round.) Other than that, anyone can be drawn with anyone. The team drawn first is the Home nation for the second leg. Winner on Aggregate advances. Extra Time and penalties if needed in the second leg. Away goals rule does not affect Extra Time. This will continue until the FIFA World Cup Final (currently scheduled to be held over 2 legs. This might change to an NPL style of who will host the single leg final) Because I don't have 203 ping pong balls / tiny pieces of paper, I have used a number generator to determine the draw for the first round. This is so I did not see countries until I typed them in after generating the list of rankings. I will post the first round when I have typed it all out, because at the moment I only have the ranking numbers.
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Away First M1 M2 Home First Timor-Leste Afghanistan Kuwait Vietnam Zimbabwe Turkmenistan Benin Guinea-Bissau Montenegro Burundi Equatorial Guinea Thailand Slovenia Trinidad and Tobago Malaysia Guinea Albania Palestine Georgia Niger Mongolia Sierra Leone Rwanda Papua New Guinea South Africa St. Vincent and the Grenadines Togo Tahiti Macau Andorra Cayman Islands Philippines Mali Hong Kong Dominica Liberia Tanzania Gambia Moldova Swaziland Zambia Dominican Republic Indonesia Honduras Macedonia Guyana Seychelles Nepal Kazakhstan Faroe Islands Cyprus Aruba Bolivia Bahamas China Luxembourg Oman Namibia Australia Suriname Jamaica Congo Central African Republic India Gabon Yemen Cambodia Jordan Cook Islands Mozambique Comoros Canada Bangladesh Samoa Armenia Lebanon Sri Lanka Antigua and Barbuda St. Kitts and Nevis British Virgin Islands Montserrat U.S. Virgin Islands Curacao Anguilla Laos Syria Ethiopia Djibouti New Zealand Saudi Arabia Guatemala Barbados Tajikistan Chad Belize Norway Lesotho Maldives Pakistan Nicaragua Cuba Haiti Angola Tonga Botswana Finland St. Lucia Eritrea San Marino Russia Somalia Turks and Caicos Islands North Korea Libya Azerbaijan Solomon Islands Singapore Chinese Taipei Fiji Kenya Madagascar United Arab Emiates Estonia Malta Belarus Bahrain Bulgaria Malawi Vanuatu Myanmar Iraq Sudan Kyrgyzstan Liechtenstein Latvia Israel Granada American Samoa Scotland Sao Tome e Principe Qatar Venezuela Cape Verde Islands Uzbekistan Uganda New Caledonia Bermuda Puerto Rico Lithuania El Salvador BYE Argentina BYE Brazil BYE Germany BYE Chile BYE Belgium BYE France BYE Colombia BYE Portugal BYE Uruguay BYE Spain BYE Switzerland BYE Wales BYE England BYE Poland BYE Italy BYE Croatia BYE Mexico BYE Peru BYE Costa Rica BYE Iceland BYE Netherlands BYE Ecuador BYE Egypt BYE Turkey BYE Ireland BYE Slovakia BYE Hungary BYE Bosnia and Herzegovina BYE United States of America BYE Ukraine BYE Senegal BYE Iran BYE Cameroon BYE Austria BYE Northern Ireland BYE Tunisia BYE DR Congo BYE Burkina Faso BYE Korea Republic BYE Romania BYE Nigeria BYE Paraguay BYE Greece BYE Sweden BYE Ghana BYE Czechia BYE Cote D'Ivoire BYE Morocco BYE Denmark BYE Algeria BYE Serbia BYE Japan BYE Panama
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P.S. The way I'm doing this, is I play as the home nation for each leg
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Muz
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Great minds think alike.
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NicCarBel
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I might re-do a draw for shits and gigs (but not leave myself limited to World Cup 2014 game ha). I did one recently (but not sure where I put the spreadsheet for it) for like a FIFA Nations league. Open slather draw, the only rule was no more than 2 nations from a single confederation in a group (with the exception of OFC, only 1 per group)
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Muz
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+xI might re-do a draw for shits and gigs (but not leave myself limited to World Cup 2014 game ha). I did one recently (but not sure where I put the spreadsheet for it) for like a FIFA Nations league. Open slather draw, the only rule was no more than 2 nations from a single confederation in a group (with the exception of OFC, only 1 per group) Why were there so many byes? Did you include every country? Run one with 128 teams. I was speaking to my son about this last night. This would be great and because you're only playing 1 competetive match every 2 months your other tournaments and friendlies could continue as normal.
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NicCarBel
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+x+xI might re-do a draw for shits and gigs (but not leave myself limited to World Cup 2014 game ha). I did one recently (but not sure where I put the spreadsheet for it) for like a FIFA Nations league. Open slather draw, the only rule was no more than 2 nations from a single confederation in a group (with the exception of OFC, only 1 per group) Why were there so many byes? Did you include every country? Run one with 128 teams. I was speaking to my son about this last night. This would be great and because you're only playing 1 competetive match every 2 months your other tournaments and friendlies could continue as normal. So the way I worked it was similar to how first round qualifying playoffs work in the current systems. Essentially the first round whittled down so that the second round had 128 teams (so the top ranked teams - with todays members (211) it would be the top 45 getting a bye to the 'second round' so that its 128 from there on.
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Muz
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+x+x+xI might re-do a draw for shits and gigs (but not leave myself limited to World Cup 2014 game ha). I did one recently (but not sure where I put the spreadsheet for it) for like a FIFA Nations league. Open slather draw, the only rule was no more than 2 nations from a single confederation in a group (with the exception of OFC, only 1 per group) Why were there so many byes? Did you include every country? Run one with 128 teams. I was speaking to my son about this last night. This would be great and because you're only playing 1 competetive match every 2 months your other tournaments and friendlies could continue as normal. So the way I worked it was similar to how first round qualifying playoffs work in the current systems. Essentially the first round whittled down so that the second round had 128 teams (so the top ranked teams - with todays members (211) it would be the top 45 getting a bye to the 'second round' so that its 128 from there on. Right. Understood. In tennis how many are seeded for a tournament?
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NicCarBel
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+x+x+x+xI might re-do a draw for shits and gigs (but not leave myself limited to World Cup 2014 game ha). I did one recently (but not sure where I put the spreadsheet for it) for like a FIFA Nations league. Open slather draw, the only rule was no more than 2 nations from a single confederation in a group (with the exception of OFC, only 1 per group) Why were there so many byes? Did you include every country? Run one with 128 teams. I was speaking to my son about this last night. This would be great and because you're only playing 1 competetive match every 2 months your other tournaments and friendlies could continue as normal. So the way I worked it was similar to how first round qualifying playoffs work in the current systems. Essentially the first round whittled down so that the second round had 128 teams (so the top ranked teams - with todays members (211) it would be the top 45 getting a bye to the 'second round' so that its 128 from there on. Right. Understood. In tennis how many are seeded for a tournament? My understanding of the way they work is 128 enter the main draw, with the qualifying rounds/wild cards determined before that. Once the draw of 128 is ready, there's 32 seeded players. Might be something else I'd be able to work in to hypothetical new draw (Top 45 get a bye to second round, but the top 32 are also seeded, meaning neither of them should be up against each other until the third round). I'm not sure exactly how those seedings are determined, but I'm assuming that they're placed in the bracket so that theoretically the semi finals should be 1 v 4 and 2 v 3, etc etc, all the way back to the round of 32 (1 v 32, 2 v 31, 3 v 30, etc) EDIT: First, a random draw allocates matches to non-seeded players.Then the seeded players are placed. The No 1 and No 2 seeds are placed at the top and the bottom and the No 3 and No 4 seeds are put into separate quarters so none can play the other before the semi-finals.The rest of the seeds are divided into sections to avoid the higher seeds meeting each other, and randomly drawn between a limited number of possible positions. So my understanding of that, is there's a spot in the draw specifically for Ranks 1-4 (to ensure that hypothetical 1 v 4 and 2 v 3 match ups for the semi finals), and then there's spots set aside for ranks 5-8, but these are randomly allocated. Same then for 9-16, and then 17-32. Everything else is open draw.
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NicCarBel
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+x+x+x+x+xI might re-do a draw for shits and gigs (but not leave myself limited to World Cup 2014 game ha). I did one recently (but not sure where I put the spreadsheet for it) for like a FIFA Nations league. Open slather draw, the only rule was no more than 2 nations from a single confederation in a group (with the exception of OFC, only 1 per group) Why were there so many byes? Did you include every country? Run one with 128 teams. I was speaking to my son about this last night. This would be great and because you're only playing 1 competetive match every 2 months your other tournaments and friendlies could continue as normal. So the way I worked it was similar to how first round qualifying playoffs work in the current systems. Essentially the first round whittled down so that the second round had 128 teams (so the top ranked teams - with todays members (211) it would be the top 45 getting a bye to the 'second round' so that its 128 from there on. Right. Understood. In tennis how many are seeded for a tournament? My understanding of the way they work is 128 enter the main draw, with the qualifying rounds/wild cards determined before that. Once the draw of 128 is ready, there's 32 seeded players. Might be something else I'd be able to work in to hypothetical new draw (Top 45 get a bye to second round, but the top 32 are also seeded, meaning neither of them should be up against each other until the third round). I'm not sure exactly how those seedings are determined, but I'm assuming that they're placed in the bracket so that theoretically the semi finals should be 1 v 4 and 2 v 3, etc etc, all the way back to the round of 32 (1 v 32, 2 v 31, 3 v 30, etc) EDIT: First, a random draw allocates matches to non-seeded players.Then the seeded players are placed. The No 1 and No 2 seeds are placed at the top and the bottom and the No 3 and No 4 seeds are put into separate quarters so none can play the other before the semi-finals.The rest of the seeds are divided into sections to avoid the higher seeds meeting each other, and randomly drawn between a limited number of possible positions. So my understanding of that, is there's a spot in the draw specifically for Ranks 1-4 (to ensure that hypothetical 1 v 4 and 2 v 3 match ups for the semi finals), and then there's spots set aside for ranks 5-8, but these are randomly allocated. Same then for 9-16, and then 17-32. Everything else is open draw. Ok finally sorted it! To make it 'fair' I've used the FIFA World Rankings as they were for the first draw of this cycle of World Cup Qualifiers (Africa - Drawn June 30 2023). So, what I have done, so that all FIFA nations take part, is the Top 45 ranked nations have received a bye to the Second Round (Round of 128). To do this, 'BYE' was included in the draw as ranks 212-256, with 1-32 seeded beforehand as above (1-4 placed in their slots to ensure hypothetical semi-finals, 5-8 randomly drawn into similar slots, followed by 9-16, and 17-32). I have attached a PDF (not overly flash - sizing is weird) of the full bracket, but will also try pasting the first round matches later in a similar way to how I did years ago. https://www.mediafire.com/file/hyg87sn9pzqw55c/FIFA+DAVIS+CUP.pdf/fileQuick run down of Australia's path Round 1 - BYE Round 2 - v Israel / US Virgin Islands Round 3 - v Russia / (Yemen v Djibouti) Round 4 - v (Spain) / (Bolivia v Uruguay) / (Kazakhstan v Singapore) / v (Estonia v Iceland) And that's where we probably lose, so I'm not going to go further than that right now lol
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Muz
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Had a quick look. Nice one.
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