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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xForget 2nd div in 2022, in a Winter comp it would min be 2023. Galatas made that Clear!!! on SBS talking with Lucy Z and Nick S. Well, they can shove it whether they have it or not. If the choice is going the long or the short road, it's always going to be the long road. So you don't want this to happen now? Why mate? Agree 2023 winter is a bit long to wait but the upside is that at least it gives the NPLs two full seasons of "data" so that performance on the pitch can be used as one of the criteria for the first 12 clubs. Also allows clubs that may not be "strong" enough now to at least get their ducks in a row and make a push for inclusion. What is the alternative to this, nothing? Ella mate, it takes too long to do their research. Clubs are keen to come in. Malakes always looking for red tape. Turn my attention to something else, if something ever actually happens good for football. Go Hellas! I get your frustration but weve been waiting 16 years whats 2 more? If thats what it takes to have the kind of system that they should have looked to set up back in 77 with the first inklings of a national league then it will be worth the wait.... This is a big step for the sport here megale, much bigger than the unbundling you keep mentioning, maybe not for the professional side but clubland and the national teams of all ages both mens and womens will greatly benefit from this if it goes ahead imo.The major hurdle, as always, will be the cartel Lowey the bastard set up in 2005. JJ and some at FA may want this to go ahead but there are still Fat Nick and dumb Greg to contend with and uncle scumbag Frank has his hand deep in their pockets squeezing their tiny ballakia. My personal conspiracy theory is that they engaged the AAFC to create a financial report for this thinking the wogs will tear each other apart before agreeing to anything and so they can always state they tried a second division but it failed at the gate. Ask yourself this, its been 2 days now and, unless I missed it, not a peep out of FA, APL or PFA.....not even an acknowledgement that a significant report has been drafted in line with their 11 principals and as per the committee the FFA established to create an evaluation task force for such a thing.... What about or famous soccer journos, Especially that arsehole Rugari? They are quick to jump on any A league feel good story and love to write about those nasty NSL clubs that cause all the riots, dont pay their players, are un-Australian and want a national second division that they cant even afford ... well AAFC have "shown them the money" why dont these f#ckers reply??? LOL at your conspiracy theories. Instead of of blaming everyone else for their ills, why don’t you encourage SMHellas to broaden their base and grow into an all encompassing club for other communities as well. One day it may be treated seriously if it does. Dont worry Paulie. No need to follow the Greeks in the NSD, most of the other clubs participating will be monoethnic too... You must feel like the naughty kid on Christmas morning holding your lump of coal... hahahahah Irrelevant to the comments I made. Just giving you more options. You wont follow South because they are Greek. I won’t follow them because they selfishly restrict their efforts to their own community. If they didn’t, they would have a broader following. But the Greek flag to them and you is more important than the Australian flag. By not following them doesn’t mean I would not go to watch them. Now here’s one for you. SMHellas was my most watched (from the stands) team in the NSL. Yes you read it correct, I was one of handful of non Greeks that attended. But there are much better options now which I guess is why you are bitter. Rubbish Paulie, you liar! There have never EVER been non Greeks allowed at a South Melbourne game... we screen at the gates for that sort of thing.... Deflection from the fact SMHellas has token interest in gaining support from other than mostly Greeks. Hellas has never changed.
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+x+x+x+x+xPersonally I can’t see the wisdom in going to the trouble of setting up a totally separate second tier competition in the faint hope that sometime in the distant future a group of club owners from a totally separate league (ALeague) will, out of the goodness of their hearts, agree to put their own businesses at risk of relegation and total collapse. Even if the tier two concept gets off the ground, after a few years clubs will wonder why they are spending so much on travel and accommodation for a standard of football that’ll be about the same as the various NPLs. Three years in and still with no guarantee of P/R the desire to keep investing will wane. Other than Sydney and Melbourne clubs, most fans of these clubs will actually see less live football as away games will be interstate (potential for average crowds to be smaller rather than larger with no away fans). It’ll only ever work long term if they get a locked in agreement with the ALeague owners first, so that there’s an actual guaranteed P/R at the end of the rainbow to keep the light at the end of the tunnel flickering. Otherwise, it’s not worth the trouble. Spend your money on improving players and coaches, and increasing local fans, instead of on travel and accommodation to play interstate away games.
The A-League won't agree to pro-rel out of altruism, they'll do it because otherwise the league will shrivel up and die. Clubs at the bottom need something play for, and this will be even more the case if and when the A-League expands to 14-16 clubs. Fighting off relegation for clubs in the bottom half of the table will actually keep their fans engaged way more than if they're moored at the foot of the ladder, with nothing to play for in the entire latter half of the season. In the first few years of the league, you could keep up the façade of a franchise style system where every club had a roughly equal chance of winning the league, because everyone was new and the clubs were still finding their feet, so if a team did poorly one year, they could be challenging for the title the next year. But this is football, the big clubs have now figured out how to assert their dominance, and the smaller ones are being left further and further behind. And sure pro-rel means that every year 1-2 clubs will be demoted to a national second division. But is that so bad? Their fans will be treated to winning football for once. They can experience playing different clubs in different parts of the country and dream about mixing it with the big boys again. Most years the relegated teams will be the most favoured candidates to be promoted straight back up again, so it doesn't have to mean a death spiral for the clubs that go down. 16 years and counting .... So why would the top clubs agree to change if they have it figured out? I agree with P/R. I just don’t see the point in establishing a ‘second division’ when there is no real first division. It’d be like a few local rugby league clubs joining forces and claiming they are the NSD to the NRL. Equally pointless. Well, for two reasons: firstly, up until a few years ago the A-League model was working reasonably well. But since then crowds have dropped, ratings have nosedived, the main broadcaster has lost interest and media coverage is harder and harder to come by. Covid has only exacerbated these issues. It's time for something new to shake things up. Expansion is not the panacea the FFA thought it was going to be. Moving to a winter season is a start, however. But pro-rel to an NSD could be the real game changer. Secondly, up until now A-League clubs had nowhere to be relegated to, apart from an eight-division NPL where the gulf in class was too high and there was no clear way back to promotion. And the A-League clubs had enough issues trying to establish themselves without focusing on building a second tier from scratch. But if the top NPL want to give it a try, why not see how they go? If it produces good football and the member clubs are financially sustainable, then pro-rel can be on the table. I don’t disagree with any of that. I’m saying, why bother doing it before you get a guaranteed path to the National First Division. Save your cash and then make a massive splash once you have such an agreement. Many if you seem to think that if the NSD ‘works’ somehow that’ll change the minds of the ALeague owners. Yeah I can just see it. ”Wow, some of those teams are better than mine .. I’d better sacrifice my business and agree to P/R.” one thing that will be easier... ALeague scouts will only have to scout one competition each year. Another point mate is that there is no reason to "save the cash" these 32 clubs are not for profit. Anything they cam beg, borrow or steal goes straight back into the clubs coffers for next season...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xForget 2nd div in 2022, in a Winter comp it would min be 2023. Galatas made that Clear!!! on SBS talking with Lucy Z and Nick S. Well, they can shove it whether they have it or not. If the choice is going the long or the short road, it's always going to be the long road. So you don't want this to happen now? Why mate? Agree 2023 winter is a bit long to wait but the upside is that at least it gives the NPLs two full seasons of "data" so that performance on the pitch can be used as one of the criteria for the first 12 clubs. Also allows clubs that may not be "strong" enough now to at least get their ducks in a row and make a push for inclusion. What is the alternative to this, nothing? Ella mate, it takes too long to do their research. Clubs are keen to come in. Malakes always looking for red tape. Turn my attention to something else, if something ever actually happens good for football. Go Hellas! I get your frustration but weve been waiting 16 years whats 2 more? If thats what it takes to have the kind of system that they should have looked to set up back in 77 with the first inklings of a national league then it will be worth the wait.... This is a big step for the sport here megale, much bigger than the unbundling you keep mentioning, maybe not for the professional side but clubland and the national teams of all ages both mens and womens will greatly benefit from this if it goes ahead imo.The major hurdle, as always, will be the cartel Lowey the bastard set up in 2005. JJ and some at FA may want this to go ahead but there are still Fat Nick and dumb Greg to contend with and uncle scumbag Frank has his hand deep in their pockets squeezing their tiny ballakia. My personal conspiracy theory is that they engaged the AAFC to create a financial report for this thinking the wogs will tear each other apart before agreeing to anything and so they can always state they tried a second division but it failed at the gate. Ask yourself this, its been 2 days now and, unless I missed it, not a peep out of FA, APL or PFA.....not even an acknowledgement that a significant report has been drafted in line with their 11 principals and as per the committee the FFA established to create an evaluation task force for such a thing.... What about or famous soccer journos, Especially that arsehole Rugari? They are quick to jump on any A league feel good story and love to write about those nasty NSL clubs that cause all the riots, dont pay their players, are un-Australian and want a national second division that they cant even afford ... well AAFC have "shown them the money" why dont these f#ckers reply??? LOL at your conspiracy theories. Instead of of blaming everyone else for their ills, why don’t you encourage SMHellas to broaden their base and grow into an all encompassing club for other communities as well. One day it may be treated seriously if it does. Dont worry Paulie. No need to follow the Greeks in the NSD, most of the other clubs participating will be monoethnic too... You must feel like the naughty kid on Christmas morning holding your lump of coal... hahahahah Irrelevant to the comments I made. Just giving you more options. You wont follow South because they are Greek. I won’t follow them because they selfishly restrict their efforts to their own community. If they didn’t, they would have a broader following. But the Greek flag to them and you is more important than the Australian flag. By not following them doesn’t mean I would not go to watch them. Now here’s one for you. SMHellas was my most watched (from the stands) team in the NSL. Yes you read it correct, I was one of handful of non Greeks that attended. But there are much better options now which I guess is why you are bitter. Rubbish Paulie, you liar! There have never EVER been non Greeks allowed at a South Melbourne game... we screen at the gates for that sort of thing....
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+x+xShouldn't we first look to expand to 20 teams? That means a lot more australians are playing in a professional environment. I think alot of people are missing the point for the reason of expansion, which is to develop more Australian players, coaches, admin, fans, media etc. To me many are focused on club development where it should be the other way around to develop our games development. Sorry disagree with this.... without clubs first and foremost there is NOBODY playing the game. Where do you expect these players to come from?
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+x+x+x+x+xPersonally I can’t see the wisdom in going to the trouble of setting up a totally separate second tier competition in the faint hope that sometime in the distant future a group of club owners from a totally separate league (ALeague) will, out of the goodness of their hearts, agree to put their own businesses at risk of relegation and total collapse. Even if the tier two concept gets off the ground, after a few years clubs will wonder why they are spending so much on travel and accommodation for a standard of football that’ll be about the same as the various NPLs. Three years in and still with no guarantee of P/R the desire to keep investing will wane. Other than Sydney and Melbourne clubs, most fans of these clubs will actually see less live football as away games will be interstate (potential for average crowds to be smaller rather than larger with no away fans). It’ll only ever work long term if they get a locked in agreement with the ALeague owners first, so that there’s an actual guaranteed P/R at the end of the rainbow to keep the light at the end of the tunnel flickering. Otherwise, it’s not worth the trouble. Spend your money on improving players and coaches, and increasing local fans, instead of on travel and accommodation to play interstate away games.
Becuase these 32 clubs are clubs and their members demand that they play at the highest tier possible.. Its not hard to understand really. It happens all around the world. You follow a club from birth to death and you just want that club to win trophies and play finals and create where you memories..... Some of these clubs have been around for 90 years, therr not going anywhere. My point is that playing teams of the same standard just in other states is not going to raise the standard of football and it is still not going to permit them to play in the ALeague. It’s a pipe dream.It’s like buying all the materials to build a house when the owner of the land where you want to build has repeatedly told you they are not selling. You take the top 4-5 clubs from the NSW and Vic NPLs, the top 1-2 from Qld, SA and WA, and maybe statewide teams from ACT and Tassie, and surely you have a higher standard of play than any of the existing NPL divisions can presently offer? I don't see how you wouldn't. It would also give existing clubs a reason to be ambitious rather than tread water. Also all the best players in the NPLs around the country will want to play for clubs in the Div 2 in the hope they can get scouted, or stay with the club when it goes professional. So you will see a funnelling of player talent from the NPL which will bring the standard up. Also this 100%
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+x+x+x+xPersonally I can’t see the wisdom in going to the trouble of setting up a totally separate second tier competition in the faint hope that sometime in the distant future a group of club owners from a totally separate league (ALeague) will, out of the goodness of their hearts, agree to put their own businesses at risk of relegation and total collapse. Even if the tier two concept gets off the ground, after a few years clubs will wonder why they are spending so much on travel and accommodation for a standard of football that’ll be about the same as the various NPLs. Three years in and still with no guarantee of P/R the desire to keep investing will wane. Other than Sydney and Melbourne clubs, most fans of these clubs will actually see less live football as away games will be interstate (potential for average crowds to be smaller rather than larger with no away fans). It’ll only ever work long term if they get a locked in agreement with the ALeague owners first, so that there’s an actual guaranteed P/R at the end of the rainbow to keep the light at the end of the tunnel flickering. Otherwise, it’s not worth the trouble. Spend your money on improving players and coaches, and increasing local fans, instead of on travel and accommodation to play interstate away games.
Becuase these 32 clubs are clubs and their members demand that they play at the highest tier possible.. Its not hard to understand really. It happens all around the world. You follow a club from birth to death and you just want that club to win trophies and play finals and create where you memories..... Some of these clubs have been around for 90 years, therr not going anywhere. My point is that playing teams of the same standard just in other states is not going to raise the standard of football and it is still not going to permit them to play in the ALeague. It’s a pipe dream.It’s like buying all the materials to build a house when the owner of the land where you want to build has repeatedly told you they are not selling. You take the top 4-5 clubs from the NSW and Vic NPLs, the top 1-2 from Qld, SA and WA, and maybe statewide teams from ACT and Tassie, and surely you have a higher standard of play than any of the existing NPL divisions can presently offer? I don't see how you wouldn't. It would also give existing clubs a reason to be ambitious rather than tread water. 100%
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+x+x+xPersonally I can’t see the wisdom in going to the trouble of setting up a totally separate second tier competition in the faint hope that sometime in the distant future a group of club owners from a totally separate league (ALeague) will, out of the goodness of their hearts, agree to put their own businesses at risk of relegation and total collapse. Even if the tier two concept gets off the ground, after a few years clubs will wonder why they are spending so much on travel and accommodation for a standard of football that’ll be about the same as the various NPLs. Three years in and still with no guarantee of P/R the desire to keep investing will wane. Other than Sydney and Melbourne clubs, most fans of these clubs will actually see less live football as away games will be interstate (potential for average crowds to be smaller rather than larger with no away fans). It’ll only ever work long term if they get a locked in agreement with the ALeague owners first, so that there’s an actual guaranteed P/R at the end of the rainbow to keep the light at the end of the tunnel flickering. Otherwise, it’s not worth the trouble. Spend your money on improving players and coaches, and increasing local fans, instead of on travel and accommodation to play interstate away games.
Becuase these 32 clubs are clubs and their members demand that they play at the highest tier possible.. Its not hard to understand really. It happens all around the world. You follow a club from birth to death and you just want that club to win trophies and play finals and create where you memories..... Some of these clubs have been around for 90 years, therr not going anywhere. My point is that playing teams of the same standard just in other states is not going to raise the standard of football and it is still not going to permit them to play in the ALeague. It’s a pipe dream.It’s like buying all the materials to build a house when the owner of the land where you want to build has repeatedly told you they are not selling. Oh I agree its a pipe dream of ever connecting the leagues however what else is a sporting club's main purposes (any sporting club, regardless of the sport)
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+x+xShouldn't we first look to expand to 20 teams? That means a lot more australians are playing in a professional environment. I think alot of people are missing the point for the reason of expansion, which is to develop more Australian players, coaches, admin, fans, media etc. To me many are focused on club development where it should be the other way around to develop our games development. Absolutely. Going from so many NPL1 clubs around the states to a much smaller number of NSD teams will concentrate the better quality players so that they play each other more often. The NSD teams will pick up players from the NPL1 and indeed NPL2 teams that show promise. We may end up with a few (8-12) teams that do want to go fully professional. If that happens split them away into a professional league and expand the rest into a third tier. Sooner rather than later we need a fully professional second tier - but it is a big outlay with, at the moment, no pathway to the top tier.
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+x+x+x+x+xPersonally I can’t see the wisdom in going to the trouble of setting up a totally separate second tier competition in the faint hope that sometime in the distant future a group of club owners from a totally separate league (ALeague) will, out of the goodness of their hearts, agree to put their own businesses at risk of relegation and total collapse. Even if the tier two concept gets off the ground, after a few years clubs will wonder why they are spending so much on travel and accommodation for a standard of football that’ll be about the same as the various NPLs. Three years in and still with no guarantee of P/R the desire to keep investing will wane. Other than Sydney and Melbourne clubs, most fans of these clubs will actually see less live football as away games will be interstate (potential for average crowds to be smaller rather than larger with no away fans). It’ll only ever work long term if they get a locked in agreement with the ALeague owners first, so that there’s an actual guaranteed P/R at the end of the rainbow to keep the light at the end of the tunnel flickering. Otherwise, it’s not worth the trouble. Spend your money on improving players and coaches, and increasing local fans, instead of on travel and accommodation to play interstate away games.
The A-League won't agree to pro-rel out of altruism, they'll do it because otherwise the league will shrivel up and die. Clubs at the bottom need something play for, and this will be even more the case if and when the A-League expands to 14-16 clubs. Fighting off relegation for clubs in the bottom half of the table will actually keep their fans engaged way more than if they're moored at the foot of the ladder, with nothing to play for in the entire latter half of the season. In the first few years of the league, you could keep up the façade of a franchise style system where every club had a roughly equal chance of winning the league, because everyone was new and the clubs were still finding their feet, so if a team did poorly one year, they could be challenging for the title the next year. But this is football, the big clubs have now figured out how to assert their dominance, and the smaller ones are being left further and further behind. And sure pro-rel means that every year 1-2 clubs will be demoted to a national second division. But is that so bad? Their fans will be treated to winning football for once. They can experience playing different clubs in different parts of the country and dream about mixing it with the big boys again. Most years the relegated teams will be the most favoured candidates to be promoted straight back up again, so it doesn't have to mean a death spiral for the clubs that go down. 16 years and counting .... So why would the top clubs agree to change if they have it figured out? I agree with P/R. I just don’t see the point in establishing a ‘second division’ when there is no real first division. It’d be like a few local rugby league clubs joining forces and claiming they are the NSD to the NRL. Equally pointless. Well, for two reasons: firstly, up until a few years ago the A-League model was working reasonably well. But since then crowds have dropped, ratings have nosedived, the main broadcaster has lost interest and media coverage is harder and harder to come by. Covid has only exacerbated these issues. It's time for something new to shake things up. Expansion is not the panacea the FFA thought it was going to be. Moving to a winter season is a start, however. But pro-rel to an NSD could be the real game changer. Secondly, up until now A-League clubs had nowhere to be relegated to, apart from an eight-division NPL where the gulf in class was too high and there was no clear way back to promotion. And the A-League clubs had enough issues trying to establish themselves without focusing on building a second tier from scratch. But if the top NPL want to give it a try, why not see how they go? If it produces good football and the member clubs are financially sustainable, then pro-rel can be on the table. I don’t disagree with any of that. I’m saying, why bother doing it before you get a guaranteed path to the National First Division. Save your cash and then make a massive splash once you have such an agreement. Many if you seem to think that if the NSD ‘works’ somehow that’ll change the minds of the ALeague owners. Yeah I can just see it. ”Wow, some of those teams are better than mine .. I’d better sacrifice my business and agree to P/R.” one thing that will be easier... ALeague scouts will only have to scout one competition each year. P/R isn't a thing that the clubs have to agree with. It is an issue that is FA's to decide. No doubt they will discuss it with the A-League owners but the owners cannot veto it.
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+xShouldn't we first look to expand to 20 teams? That means a lot more australians are playing in a professional environment. I think alot of people are missing the point for the reason of expansion, which is to develop more Australian players, coaches, admin, fans, media etc. To me many are focused on club development where it should be the other way around to develop our games development.
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+xwhile they say it will start at 12, I think they will start at 8 clubs because if the NSD fails you could merge it into the A-league easily into a 20 team comp It wouldnt be dumb if the APL took over the NSD concept but this might take awhile.
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Expand the aleague first to 16 to 20 teams. Divide the leagues by 8-10 teams each by two conferences. Introduce the NSD at a later date and then introduce pro-rel from the bottom half teams of the 2nd conference to the NSD. And if we are going to have the NSD by semi pro, its basically going to be an NPL on planes it needs something more sustainable to lift the professionalism up so I can under where Arnie is coming from.
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+x+x+x+xPersonally I can’t see the wisdom in going to the trouble of setting up a totally separate second tier competition in the faint hope that sometime in the distant future a group of club owners from a totally separate league (ALeague) will, out of the goodness of their hearts, agree to put their own businesses at risk of relegation and total collapse. Even if the tier two concept gets off the ground, after a few years clubs will wonder why they are spending so much on travel and accommodation for a standard of football that’ll be about the same as the various NPLs. Three years in and still with no guarantee of P/R the desire to keep investing will wane. Other than Sydney and Melbourne clubs, most fans of these clubs will actually see less live football as away games will be interstate (potential for average crowds to be smaller rather than larger with no away fans). It’ll only ever work long term if they get a locked in agreement with the ALeague owners first, so that there’s an actual guaranteed P/R at the end of the rainbow to keep the light at the end of the tunnel flickering. Otherwise, it’s not worth the trouble. Spend your money on improving players and coaches, and increasing local fans, instead of on travel and accommodation to play interstate away games.
The A-League won't agree to pro-rel out of altruism, they'll do it because otherwise the league will shrivel up and die. Clubs at the bottom need something play for, and this will be even more the case if and when the A-League expands to 14-16 clubs. Fighting off relegation for clubs in the bottom half of the table will actually keep their fans engaged way more than if they're moored at the foot of the ladder, with nothing to play for in the entire latter half of the season. In the first few years of the league, you could keep up the façade of a franchise style system where every club had a roughly equal chance of winning the league, because everyone was new and the clubs were still finding their feet, so if a team did poorly one year, they could be challenging for the title the next year. But this is football, the big clubs have now figured out how to assert their dominance, and the smaller ones are being left further and further behind. And sure pro-rel means that every year 1-2 clubs will be demoted to a national second division. But is that so bad? Their fans will be treated to winning football for once. They can experience playing different clubs in different parts of the country and dream about mixing it with the big boys again. Most years the relegated teams will be the most favoured candidates to be promoted straight back up again, so it doesn't have to mean a death spiral for the clubs that go down. 16 years and counting .... So why would the top clubs agree to change if they have it figured out? I agree with P/R. I just don’t see the point in establishing a ‘second division’ when there is no real first division. It’d be like a few local rugby league clubs joining forces and claiming they are the NSD to the NRL. Equally pointless. Well, for two reasons: firstly, up until a few years ago the A-League model was working reasonably well. But since then crowds have dropped, ratings have nosedived, the main broadcaster has lost interest and media coverage is harder and harder to come by. Covid has only exacerbated these issues. It's time for something new to shake things up. Expansion is not the panacea the FFA thought it was going to be. Moving to a winter season is a start, however. But pro-rel to an NSD could be the real game changer. Secondly, up until now A-League clubs had nowhere to be relegated to, apart from an eight-division NPL where the gulf in class was too high and there was no clear way back to promotion. And the A-League clubs had enough issues trying to establish themselves without focusing on building a second tier from scratch. But if the top NPL want to give it a try, why not see how they go? If it produces good football and the member clubs are financially sustainable, then pro-rel can be on the table. I don’t disagree with any of that. I’m saying, why bother doing it before you get a guaranteed path to the National First Division. Save your cash and then make a massive splash once you have such an agreement. Many if you seem to think that if the NSD ‘works’ somehow that’ll change the minds of the ALeague owners. Yeah I can just see it. ”Wow, some of those teams are better than mine .. I’d better sacrifice my business and agree to P/R.” one thing that will be easier... ALeague scouts will only have to scout one competition each year.
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+x+x+x+x+xTypical shithouse report from the AAFC (Association of Arseholes, Fuckwits and Cockheads). The fake plastic mono ethnic social club NPL clubs have a vested interest in trying to keep the game semi-professional, small and inaccessible in this country.
Of course any NSD must be fully professional, but these shysters will not go for that. It’s time these clubs got out of the way and stopped interfering and let the real football people keep on trying to grow the sport in this country.
Some would like to run it like a whiff from an oily rag which won’t serve it’s purpose. It needs to be a good, clear stepping stone to the A-League but from the figures thrown around it seems to be marginally better than the NPL and not close enough to the midway point. I don’t think it has to be fully professional albeit it is preferred, but it has to be a quantum leap to where they are now. Realistically how many clubs could be sustainably professional in a second division? Enough to have a whole division? Why not at least start out with a structure that allows clubs to compete while remaining semi-pro, and if they have the wherewithal to move to a fully pro set up over time then they can. Much like how the National League works in England. Clubs are competing as semi pro already. My point was unless there is a distinct and significant improvement in standard, the gap between the NPL and A-League will not be realised. The NSD has to prepare clubs for the jump, otherwise just select from existing NPL clubs. But there will be, because there will be a consolidation of talent into one league as opposed to the various state leagues. Initially yes, I agree. But that is only a minor raising of the bar as you also need physical preparedness in tangent with that. At the end of the day, the NSD should prepare itself for a professional life with lower quality players, coaches and administrators. The bar needs to be raised sufficiently otherwise the clubs would just wonder what the hell are they doing there and would be happy to slumber back to the NPL without the added stress and extra costs.
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+x+x+x+xTypical shithouse report from the AAFC (Association of Arseholes, Fuckwits and Cockheads). The fake plastic mono ethnic social club NPL clubs have a vested interest in trying to keep the game semi-professional, small and inaccessible in this country.
Of course any NSD must be fully professional, but these shysters will not go for that. It’s time these clubs got out of the way and stopped interfering and let the real football people keep on trying to grow the sport in this country.
Some would like to run it like a whiff from an oily rag which won’t serve it’s purpose. It needs to be a good, clear stepping stone to the A-League but from the figures thrown around it seems to be marginally better than the NPL and not close enough to the midway point. I don’t think it has to be fully professional albeit it is preferred, but it has to be a quantum leap to where they are now. Realistically how many clubs could be sustainably professional in a second division? Enough to have a whole division? Why not at least start out with a structure that allows clubs to compete while remaining semi-pro, and if they have the wherewithal to move to a fully pro set up over time then they can. Much like how the National League works in England. Clubs are competing as semi pro already. My point was unless there is a distinct and significant improvement in standard, the gap between the NPL and A-League will not be realised. The NSD has to prepare clubs for the jump, otherwise just select from existing NPL clubs. But there will be, because there will be a consolidation of talent into one league as opposed to the various state leagues.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xForget 2nd div in 2022, in a Winter comp it would min be 2023. Galatas made that Clear!!! on SBS talking with Lucy Z and Nick S. Well, they can shove it whether they have it or not. If the choice is going the long or the short road, it's always going to be the long road. So you don't want this to happen now? Why mate? Agree 2023 winter is a bit long to wait but the upside is that at least it gives the NPLs two full seasons of "data" so that performance on the pitch can be used as one of the criteria for the first 12 clubs. Also allows clubs that may not be "strong" enough now to at least get their ducks in a row and make a push for inclusion. What is the alternative to this, nothing? Ella mate, it takes too long to do their research. Clubs are keen to come in. Malakes always looking for red tape. Turn my attention to something else, if something ever actually happens good for football. Go Hellas! I get your frustration but weve been waiting 16 years whats 2 more? If thats what it takes to have the kind of system that they should have looked to set up back in 77 with the first inklings of a national league then it will be worth the wait.... This is a big step for the sport here megale, much bigger than the unbundling you keep mentioning, maybe not for the professional side but clubland and the national teams of all ages both mens and womens will greatly benefit from this if it goes ahead imo.The major hurdle, as always, will be the cartel Lowey the bastard set up in 2005. JJ and some at FA may want this to go ahead but there are still Fat Nick and dumb Greg to contend with and uncle scumbag Frank has his hand deep in their pockets squeezing their tiny ballakia. My personal conspiracy theory is that they engaged the AAFC to create a financial report for this thinking the wogs will tear each other apart before agreeing to anything and so they can always state they tried a second division but it failed at the gate. Ask yourself this, its been 2 days now and, unless I missed it, not a peep out of FA, APL or PFA.....not even an acknowledgement that a significant report has been drafted in line with their 11 principals and as per the committee the FFA established to create an evaluation task force for such a thing.... What about or famous soccer journos, Especially that arsehole Rugari? They are quick to jump on any A league feel good story and love to write about those nasty NSL clubs that cause all the riots, dont pay their players, are un-Australian and want a national second division that they cant even afford ... well AAFC have "shown them the money" why dont these f#ckers reply??? LOL at your conspiracy theories. Instead of of blaming everyone else for their ills, why don’t you encourage SMHellas to broaden their base and grow into an all encompassing club for other communities as well. One day it may be treated seriously if it does. Dont worry Paulie. No need to follow the Greeks in the NSD, most of the other clubs participating will be monoethnic too... You must feel like the naughty kid on Christmas morning holding your lump of coal... hahahahah Irrelevant to the comments I made. Just giving you more options. You wont follow South because they are Greek. I won’t follow them because they selfishly restrict their efforts to their own community. If they didn’t, they would have a broader following. But the Greek flag to them and you is more important than the Australian flag. By not following them doesn’t mean I would not go to watch them. Now here’s one for you. SMHellas was my most watched (from the stands) team in the NSL. Yes you read it correct, I was one of handful of non Greeks that attended. But there are much better options now which I guess is why you are bitter.
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+x+x+xTypical shithouse report from the AAFC (Association of Arseholes, Fuckwits and Cockheads). The fake plastic mono ethnic social club NPL clubs have a vested interest in trying to keep the game semi-professional, small and inaccessible in this country.
Of course any NSD must be fully professional, but these shysters will not go for that. It’s time these clubs got out of the way and stopped interfering and let the real football people keep on trying to grow the sport in this country.
Some would like to run it like a whiff from an oily rag which won’t serve it’s purpose. It needs to be a good, clear stepping stone to the A-League but from the figures thrown around it seems to be marginally better than the NPL and not close enough to the midway point. I don’t think it has to be fully professional albeit it is preferred, but it has to be a quantum leap to where they are now. Realistically how many clubs could be sustainably professional in a second division? Enough to have a whole division? Why not at least start out with a structure that allows clubs to compete while remaining semi-pro, and if they have the wherewithal to move to a fully pro set up over time then they can. Much like how the National League works in England. Clubs are competing as semi pro already. My point was unless there is a distinct and significant improvement in standard, the gap between the NPL and A-League will not be realised. The NSD has to prepare clubs for the jump, otherwise just select from existing NPL clubs.
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+x+x+x+xPersonally I can’t see the wisdom in going to the trouble of setting up a totally separate second tier competition in the faint hope that sometime in the distant future a group of club owners from a totally separate league (ALeague) will, out of the goodness of their hearts, agree to put their own businesses at risk of relegation and total collapse. Even if the tier two concept gets off the ground, after a few years clubs will wonder why they are spending so much on travel and accommodation for a standard of football that’ll be about the same as the various NPLs. Three years in and still with no guarantee of P/R the desire to keep investing will wane. Other than Sydney and Melbourne clubs, most fans of these clubs will actually see less live football as away games will be interstate (potential for average crowds to be smaller rather than larger with no away fans). It’ll only ever work long term if they get a locked in agreement with the ALeague owners first, so that there’s an actual guaranteed P/R at the end of the rainbow to keep the light at the end of the tunnel flickering. Otherwise, it’s not worth the trouble. Spend your money on improving players and coaches, and increasing local fans, instead of on travel and accommodation to play interstate away games.
Becuase these 32 clubs are clubs and their members demand that they play at the highest tier possible.. Its not hard to understand really. It happens all around the world. You follow a club from birth to death and you just want that club to win trophies and play finals and create where you memories..... Some of these clubs have been around for 90 years, therr not going anywhere. My point is that playing teams of the same standard just in other states is not going to raise the standard of football and it is still not going to permit them to play in the ALeague. It’s a pipe dream.It’s like buying all the materials to build a house when the owner of the land where you want to build has repeatedly told you they are not selling. You take the top 4-5 clubs from the NSW and Vic NPLs, the top 1-2 from Qld, SA and WA, and maybe statewide teams from ACT and Tassie, and surely you have a higher standard of play than any of the existing NPL divisions can presently offer? I don't see how you wouldn't. It would also give existing clubs a reason to be ambitious rather than tread water. Also all the best players in the NPLs around the country will want to play for clubs in the Div 2 in the hope they can get scouted, or stay with the club when it goes professional. So you will see a funnelling of player talent from the NPL which will bring the standard up.
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+xShouldn't we first look to expand to 20 teams? That means a lot more australians are playing in a professional environment. Absolutely, cast the net wide to give more chances for the next Toure, Arzani, etc. Of course, this would take a reassessment of our expectations regarding our current broken-down Rolls Royce system, namely the salary cap floor and restrictive squad size rules, but this is absolutely achievable if we give up pretending that every club in the top tier is a Sydney FC or Melbourne Victory.
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+xShouldn't we first look to expand to 20 teams? That means a lot more australians are playing in a professional environment. No way we can maintain a top division of 20 teams. Even two divisions of 10 teams each would be preferable to that. I'd say 16 teams is the maximum viable top division.
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Shouldn't we first look to expand to 20 teams? That means a lot more australians are playing in a professional environment.
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+x+x+xPersonally I can’t see the wisdom in going to the trouble of setting up a totally separate second tier competition in the faint hope that sometime in the distant future a group of club owners from a totally separate league (ALeague) will, out of the goodness of their hearts, agree to put their own businesses at risk of relegation and total collapse. Even if the tier two concept gets off the ground, after a few years clubs will wonder why they are spending so much on travel and accommodation for a standard of football that’ll be about the same as the various NPLs. Three years in and still with no guarantee of P/R the desire to keep investing will wane. Other than Sydney and Melbourne clubs, most fans of these clubs will actually see less live football as away games will be interstate (potential for average crowds to be smaller rather than larger with no away fans). It’ll only ever work long term if they get a locked in agreement with the ALeague owners first, so that there’s an actual guaranteed P/R at the end of the rainbow to keep the light at the end of the tunnel flickering. Otherwise, it’s not worth the trouble. Spend your money on improving players and coaches, and increasing local fans, instead of on travel and accommodation to play interstate away games.
Becuase these 32 clubs are clubs and their members demand that they play at the highest tier possible.. Its not hard to understand really. It happens all around the world. You follow a club from birth to death and you just want that club to win trophies and play finals and create where you memories..... Some of these clubs have been around for 90 years, therr not going anywhere. My point is that playing teams of the same standard just in other states is not going to raise the standard of football and it is still not going to permit them to play in the ALeague. It’s a pipe dream.It’s like buying all the materials to build a house when the owner of the land where you want to build has repeatedly told you they are not selling. You take the top 4-5 clubs from the NSW and Vic NPLs, the top 1-2 from Qld, SA and WA, and maybe statewide teams from ACT and Tassie, and surely you have a higher standard of play than any of the existing NPL divisions can presently offer? I don't see how you wouldn't. It would also give existing clubs a reason to be ambitious rather than tread water.
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+x+x+xPersonally I can’t see the wisdom in going to the trouble of setting up a totally separate second tier competition in the faint hope that sometime in the distant future a group of club owners from a totally separate league (ALeague) will, out of the goodness of their hearts, agree to put their own businesses at risk of relegation and total collapse. Even if the tier two concept gets off the ground, after a few years clubs will wonder why they are spending so much on travel and accommodation for a standard of football that’ll be about the same as the various NPLs. Three years in and still with no guarantee of P/R the desire to keep investing will wane. Other than Sydney and Melbourne clubs, most fans of these clubs will actually see less live football as away games will be interstate (potential for average crowds to be smaller rather than larger with no away fans). It’ll only ever work long term if they get a locked in agreement with the ALeague owners first, so that there’s an actual guaranteed P/R at the end of the rainbow to keep the light at the end of the tunnel flickering. Otherwise, it’s not worth the trouble. Spend your money on improving players and coaches, and increasing local fans, instead of on travel and accommodation to play interstate away games.
The A-League won't agree to pro-rel out of altruism, they'll do it because otherwise the league will shrivel up and die. Clubs at the bottom need something play for, and this will be even more the case if and when the A-League expands to 14-16 clubs. Fighting off relegation for clubs in the bottom half of the table will actually keep their fans engaged way more than if they're moored at the foot of the ladder, with nothing to play for in the entire latter half of the season. In the first few years of the league, you could keep up the façade of a franchise style system where every club had a roughly equal chance of winning the league, because everyone was new and the clubs were still finding their feet, so if a team did poorly one year, they could be challenging for the title the next year. But this is football, the big clubs have now figured out how to assert their dominance, and the smaller ones are being left further and further behind. And sure pro-rel means that every year 1-2 clubs will be demoted to a national second division. But is that so bad? Their fans will be treated to winning football for once. They can experience playing different clubs in different parts of the country and dream about mixing it with the big boys again. Most years the relegated teams will be the most favoured candidates to be promoted straight back up again, so it doesn't have to mean a death spiral for the clubs that go down. 16 years and counting .... So why would the top clubs agree to change if they have it figured out? I agree with P/R. I just don’t see the point in establishing a ‘second division’ when there is no real first division. It’d be like a few local rugby league clubs joining forces and claiming they are the NSD to the NRL. Equally pointless. Well, for two reasons: firstly, up until a few years ago the A-League model was working reasonably well. But since then crowds have dropped, ratings have nosedived, the main broadcaster has lost interest and media coverage is harder and harder to come by. Covid has only exacerbated these issues. It's time for something new to shake things up. Expansion is not the panacea the FFA thought it was going to be. Moving to a winter season is a start, however. But pro-rel to an NSD could be the real game changer. Secondly, up until now A-League clubs had nowhere to be relegated to, apart from an eight-division NPL where the gulf in class was too high and there was no clear way back to promotion. And the A-League clubs had enough issues trying to establish themselves without focusing on building a second tier from scratch. But if the top NPL want to give it a try, why not see how they go? If it produces good football and the member clubs are financially sustainable, then pro-rel can be on the table.
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+x+xPersonally I can’t see the wisdom in going to the trouble of setting up a totally separate second tier competition in the faint hope that sometime in the distant future a group of club owners from a totally separate league (ALeague) will, out of the goodness of their hearts, agree to put their own businesses at risk of relegation and total collapse. Even if the tier two concept gets off the ground, after a few years clubs will wonder why they are spending so much on travel and accommodation for a standard of football that’ll be about the same as the various NPLs. Three years in and still with no guarantee of P/R the desire to keep investing will wane. Other than Sydney and Melbourne clubs, most fans of these clubs will actually see less live football as away games will be interstate (potential for average crowds to be smaller rather than larger with no away fans). It’ll only ever work long term if they get a locked in agreement with the ALeague owners first, so that there’s an actual guaranteed P/R at the end of the rainbow to keep the light at the end of the tunnel flickering. Otherwise, it’s not worth the trouble. Spend your money on improving players and coaches, and increasing local fans, instead of on travel and accommodation to play interstate away games.
Becuase these 32 clubs are clubs and their members demand that they play at the highest tier possible.. Its not hard to understand really. It happens all around the world. You follow a club from birth to death and you just want that club to win trophies and play finals and create where you memories..... Some of these clubs have been around for 90 years, therr not going anywhere. My point is that playing teams of the same standard just in other states is not going to raise the standard of football and it is still not going to permit them to play in the ALeague. It’s a pipe dream.It’s like buying all the materials to build a house when the owner of the land where you want to build has repeatedly told you they are not selling.
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+x+xPersonally I can’t see the wisdom in going to the trouble of setting up a totally separate second tier competition in the faint hope that sometime in the distant future a group of club owners from a totally separate league (ALeague) will, out of the goodness of their hearts, agree to put their own businesses at risk of relegation and total collapse. Even if the tier two concept gets off the ground, after a few years clubs will wonder why they are spending so much on travel and accommodation for a standard of football that’ll be about the same as the various NPLs. Three years in and still with no guarantee of P/R the desire to keep investing will wane. Other than Sydney and Melbourne clubs, most fans of these clubs will actually see less live football as away games will be interstate (potential for average crowds to be smaller rather than larger with no away fans). It’ll only ever work long term if they get a locked in agreement with the ALeague owners first, so that there’s an actual guaranteed P/R at the end of the rainbow to keep the light at the end of the tunnel flickering. Otherwise, it’s not worth the trouble. Spend your money on improving players and coaches, and increasing local fans, instead of on travel and accommodation to play interstate away games.
The A-League won't agree to pro-rel out of altruism, they'll do it because otherwise the league will shrivel up and die. Clubs at the bottom need something play for, and this will be even more the case if and when the A-League expands to 14-16 clubs. Fighting off relegation for clubs in the bottom half of the table will actually keep their fans engaged way more than if they're moored at the foot of the ladder, with nothing to play for in the entire latter half of the season. In the first few years of the league, you could keep up the façade of a franchise style system where every club had a roughly equal chance of winning the league, because everyone was new and the clubs were still finding their feet, so if a team did poorly one year, they could be challenging for the title the next year. But this is football, the big clubs have now figured out how to assert their dominance, and the smaller ones are being left further and further behind. And sure pro-rel means that every year 1-2 clubs will be demoted to a national second division. But is that so bad? Their fans will be treated to winning football for once. They can experience playing different clubs in different parts of the country and dream about mixing it with the big boys again. Most years the relegated teams will be the most favoured candidates to be promoted straight back up again, so it doesn't have to mean a death spiral for the clubs that go down. 16 years and counting .... So why would the top clubs agree to change if they have it figured out? I agree with P/R. I just don’t see the point in establishing a ‘second division’ when there is no real first division. It’d be like a few local rugby league clubs joining forces and claiming they are the NSD to the NRL. Equally pointless.
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+xPersonally I can’t see the wisdom in going to the trouble of setting up a totally separate second tier competition in the faint hope that sometime in the distant future a group of club owners from a totally separate league (ALeague) will, out of the goodness of their hearts, agree to put their own businesses at risk of relegation and total collapse. Even if the tier two concept gets off the ground, after a few years clubs will wonder why they are spending so much on travel and accommodation for a standard of football that’ll be about the same as the various NPLs. Three years in and still with no guarantee of P/R the desire to keep investing will wane. Other than Sydney and Melbourne clubs, most fans of these clubs will actually see less live football as away games will be interstate (potential for average crowds to be smaller rather than larger with no away fans). It’ll only ever work long term if they get a locked in agreement with the ALeague owners first, so that there’s an actual guaranteed P/R at the end of the rainbow to keep the light at the end of the tunnel flickering. Otherwise, it’s not worth the trouble. Spend your money on improving players and coaches, and increasing local fans, instead of on travel and accommodation to play interstate away games.
The A-League won't agree to pro-rel out of altruism, they'll do it because otherwise the league will shrivel up and die. Clubs at the bottom need something play for, and this will be even more the case if and when the A-League expands to 14-16 clubs. Fighting off relegation for clubs in the bottom half of the table will actually keep their fans engaged way more than if they're moored at the foot of the ladder, with nothing to play for in the entire latter half of the season. In the first few years of the league, you could keep up the façade of a franchise style system where every club had a roughly equal chance of winning the league, because everyone was new and the clubs were still finding their feet, so if a team did poorly one year, they could be challenging for the title the next year. But this is football, the big clubs have now figured out how to assert their dominance, and the smaller ones are being left further and further behind. And sure pro-rel means that every year 1-2 clubs will be demoted to a national second division. But is that so bad? Their fans will be treated to winning football for once. They can experience playing different clubs in different parts of the country and dream about mixing it with the big boys again. Most years the relegated teams will be the most favoured candidates to be promoted straight back up again, so it doesn't have to mean a death spiral for the clubs that go down.
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+xPersonally I can’t see the wisdom in going to the trouble of setting up a totally separate second tier competition in the faint hope that sometime in the distant future a group of club owners from a totally separate league (ALeague) will, out of the goodness of their hearts, agree to put their own businesses at risk of relegation and total collapse. Even if the tier two concept gets off the ground, after a few years clubs will wonder why they are spending so much on travel and accommodation for a standard of football that’ll be about the same as the various NPLs. Three years in and still with no guarantee of P/R the desire to keep investing will wane. Other than Sydney and Melbourne clubs, most fans of these clubs will actually see less live football as away games will be interstate (potential for average crowds to be smaller rather than larger with no away fans). It’ll only ever work long term if they get a locked in agreement with the ALeague owners first, so that there’s an actual guaranteed P/R at the end of the rainbow to keep the light at the end of the tunnel flickering. Otherwise, it’s not worth the trouble. Spend your money on improving players and coaches, and increasing local fans, instead of on travel and accommodation to play interstate away games.
Becuase these 32 clubs are clubs and their members demand that they play at the highest tier possible.. Its not hard to understand really. It happens all around the world. You follow a club from birth to death and you just want that club to win trophies and play finals and create memories..... Some of these clubs have been around for 90 years, therr not going anywhere.
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+x+x+xWho benefits from semi professionalism? Not the players. They lose out as they can’t train and play full time. Not the fans as they see a lower quality than fully professional players who are improving through full time training and playing. Not the juniors as their fees are used to subsidise the payment of semi professional seniors. Only the board members and ‘big men’ of the mono ethnic social clubs in the NPL benefit. They can promote their businesses without spending too much and tell everyone what great people they are for supporting their ‘community’.
Of course the mono ethnic social club itself also benefits by keeping the sport small and semi professional. If you’re a club with a (insert cultural background identify here) and you draw your support base from really only that community, you’re limited in your ability to draw new fans and new sponsors from outside that community. So what do you do if you’re one of those clubs?
You piss and moan about non-existent racism and blame Lowy, or FFA or Foxtel or whoever else instead of growing your own club into a fully professional football club that cannot be left out of any top tier league.
Meanwhile real football people seek to grow the sport in this country and that can only be done by having more full time professional clubs. Dont forget to mention the pumpkin seeds and also the flares and ethnic cleansing in the stands..... The real football people care about preventing such things. Dont worry mate Id be bitter about NPL if my kid got passed up for a better one too (which is what I assume is your story otherwise I cant understand your bizarre obsession with npl and "professionalism") but sometimes you just have to accept it and move on. Go watch your better standard of 26 games of "professional" football knowing full well that the players actually shinning this year came from that very same shit, semi pro, self serving ethnic shitstorm called the NPL..... You see division and hatred and exclusivity in the tiers of soccer below Aleague, I see unity of purpose. If you dont feel involved or included at a particular club thats on you and suggesting otherwise is a f#cking bigoted cop out.... Wrong on all counts. I just support football. That's why I'm involved with two real football clubs (who also have ethnic backgrounds) , but who are strictly amateur. We play for the fun of the game. It's the semi-professionalism aspect that is the reason I don't like NPL plastics. If tomorrow, South Melbourne went fully professional, I'd be the first to welcome them into the A league and I'd love it. Semi-professionalism is indefensible. Therefore you would know that all your comments about NPL clubs exist as extensions of their mono ethnlc cultural social clubs and to benefit their owners financially (apart form 3 or 4 very obvious examples in Victoria) are falsehoods as are claims that junior fees subsidize the first team payments ... does it happen at some clubs sure, but tarring all of NPL is dishonest. As for your sticking point about what is professional and what is semi professional why then this rabid obsession? You realize that what with "scholarship" players, age restricted NPL squads and a salary cap in the Aleague the average 20 year old is better off financially signing with an NPL club dont you?
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+x+xWho benefits from semi professionalism? Not the players. They lose out as they can’t train and play full time. Not the fans as they see a lower quality than fully professional players who are improving through full time training and playing. Not the juniors as their fees are used to subsidise the payment of semi professional seniors. Only the board members and ‘big men’ of the mono ethnic social clubs in the NPL benefit. They can promote their businesses without spending too much and tell everyone what great people they are for supporting their ‘community’.
Of course the mono ethnic social club itself also benefits by keeping the sport small and semi professional. If you’re a club with a (insert cultural background identify here) and you draw your support base from really only that community, you’re limited in your ability to draw new fans and new sponsors from outside that community. So what do you do if you’re one of those clubs?
You piss and moan about non-existent racism and blame Lowy, or FFA or Foxtel or whoever else instead of growing your own club into a fully professional football club that cannot be left out of any top tier league.
Meanwhile real football people seek to grow the sport in this country and that can only be done by having more full time professional clubs. Dont forget to mention the pumpkin seeds and also the flares and ethnic cleansing in the stands..... The real football people care about preventing such things. Dont worry mate Id be bitter about NPL if my kid got passed up for a better one too (which is what I assume is your story otherwise I cant understand your bizarre obsession with npl and "professionalism") but sometimes you just have to accept it and move on. Go watch your better standard of 26 games of "professional" football knowing full well that the players actually shinning this year came from that very same shit, semi pro, self serving ethnic shitstorm called the NPL..... You see division and hatred and exclusivity in the tiers of soccer below Aleague, I see unity of purpose. If you dont feel involved or included at a particular club thats on you and suggesting otherwise is a f#cking bigoted cop out.... Wrong on all counts. I just support football. That's why I'm involved with two real football clubs (who also have ethnic backgrounds) , but who are strictly amateur. We play for the fun of the game. It's the semi-professionalism aspect that is the reason I don't like NPL plastics. If tomorrow, South Melbourne went fully professional, I'd be the first to welcome them into the A league and I'd love it. Semi-professionalism is indefensible.
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Personally I can’t see the wisdom in going to the trouble of setting up a totally separate second tier competition in the faint hope that sometime in the distant future a group of club owners from a totally separate league (ALeague) will, out of the goodness of their hearts, agree to put their own businesses at risk of relegation and total collapse. Even if the tier two concept gets off the ground, after a few years clubs will wonder why they are spending so much on travel and accommodation for a standard of football that’ll be about the same as the various NPLs. Three years in and still with no guarantee of P/R the desire to keep investing will wane. Other than Sydney and Melbourne clubs, most fans of these clubs will actually see less live football as away games will be interstate (potential for average crowds to be smaller rather than larger with no away fans). It’ll only ever work long term if they get a locked in agreement with the ALeague owners first, so that there’s an actual guaranteed P/R at the end of the rainbow to keep the light at the end of the tunnel flickering. Otherwise, it’s not worth the trouble. Spend your money on improving players and coaches, and increasing local fans, instead of on travel and accommodation to play interstate away games.
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