National second division is kicking off with or without FFA


National second division is kicking off with or without FFA

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@Gold Coast Knights win NPL QLD title in their first season in ... Courier Mail-1 But for the Knights, whose side included former Brisbane Roar A-League championship winners Smith and Mitch Nichols, it was the perfect ending to their ... “

https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/football/gold-coast-knights-win-npl-qld-title-in-their-first-season-in-the-competition/news-story/7a4e6a4ba44c36a33511dbe43d2b7722

That 2 seasons in a row a promoted team has won, after Lions last year
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scott20won - 15 Sep 2019 10:04 PM
@Gold Coast Knights win NPL QLD title in their first season in ... Courier Mail-1 But for the Knights, whose side included former Brisbane Roar A-League championship winners Smith and Mitch Nichols, it was the perfect ending to their ... “

https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/football/gold-coast-knights-win-npl-qld-title-in-their-first-season-in-the-competition/news-story/7a4e6a4ba44c36a33511dbe43d2b7722

That 2 seasons in a row a promoted team has won, after Lions last year

Yeah, they’re still running the points system that favours promoted sides aren’t they 
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It's been delayed apparently.

"6. SECOND TIER PUT ON HOLD AGAIN

The much-anticipated national second division looks set to be delayed.

Initially slated for 2021, the uncertainty at head office amid a host of departures has put the second tier on the backburner.

I ran a 24-hour Twitter poll last week asking which issue fans view as the game’s most pressing. A second division polled 44 per cent of the 961 votes.

The second division will be one of the top agenda items for the new CEO and – assuming promoting-relegation is eventually integrated – is viewed by many as a key unifying tool for a fractured game."

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/football/socceroos-young-gun-daniel-arzani-suffers-setback-in-comeback-from-knee-injury/news-story/19b998cd0fdd6e3f97fcfc027d47ecc9

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It's pretty obvious that there'd be a handover period on some of these projects with the change of CEO, etc.
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Glory Recruit - 18 Nov 2019 3:22 PM
It's been delayed apparently.

"6. SECOND TIER PUT ON HOLD AGAIN

The much-anticipated national second division looks set to be delayed.

Initially slated for 2021, the uncertainty at head office amid a host of departures has put the second tier on the backburner.

I ran a 24-hour Twitter poll last week asking which issue fans view as the game’s most pressing. A second division polled 44 per cent of the 961 votes.

The second division will be one of the top agenda items for the new CEO and – assuming promoting-relegation is eventually integrated – is viewed by many as a key unifying tool for a fractured game."

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/football/socceroos-young-gun-daniel-arzani-suffers-setback-in-comeback-from-knee-injury/news-story/19b998cd0fdd6e3f97fcfc027d47ecc9

:laugh:

Ask those fucking quasi state league quality Central Coast Mariners if they want P & R.   :laugh:
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Waiting for libel to make an appearance in 3,2,1...
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The headline to this thread has always annoyed me. 

They should have done it independently of the FFA 
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so three years away?

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I just cant see how it is a fact FFA spend $50 million per year on AL.

Its fake news

The money goes to other FFA projects.

Thanks old board.


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Glory Recruit - 18 Nov 2019 3:22 PM
It's been delayed apparently.

"6. SECOND TIER PUT ON HOLD AGAIN"

Oh dear...
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ErogenousZone - 18 Nov 2019 3:31 PM
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:laugh:

Ask those fucking quasi state league quality Central Coast Mariners if they want P & R.   :laugh:
What the team that has made 4 GFs in the history of the A-League & been premiers twice & runners up twice.

Yeah fuck them.


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Oh
libel - 18 Nov 2019 7:06 PM
Glory Recruit - 18 Nov 2019 3:22 PM

Oh dear...

Deary me, you are predictable.

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Sounds like Arnie's reserve grade / expanded NYL is likely to go ahead before the second Division.  
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Hasnt the leader of the Div2 ,R.Krayem ,left for MacArthur FC?
Apparently noone has picked up the reigns.
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The FFA are a cancer on growth or expansion of any sort..
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patjennings - 18 Nov 2019 7:29 PM
Sounds like Arnie's reserve grade / expanded NYL is likely to go ahead before the second Division.  

That's fine.  The club's will meet the full cost of it so it won't affect the national 2nd division.
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scott20won - 18 Nov 2019 6:31 PM
I just cant see how it is a fact FFA spend $50 million per year on AL.

Its fake news

The money goes to other FFA projects.

Thanks old board.


From the FFA Annual Review 2018

Grants and Distributions to the clubs for A-League, W-League and NYL, marketing grant, club services grant  - $37.2m
Air and ground travel for A-League, W-League and NYL - $3.7m
Match Officials - share of $1.7m say $1.2m.
Marketing and Media - share of $14.9m (this includes broadcast contra)  say $7m
Event hosting - share of $3.4m (this includes both international games and FFA Cup and Finals series) say $1.2m
Administration - share of $2.7m (rent, stationary, printing etc)  say $1m
Broadcasting - share of $0.4m (includes negotiations with AFC etc) say $0
Other team expenses - share of $3.8m (includes PFA player welfare payments) say $1m
Professional and consultants - share of $3.2m (includes consultants for security, expansion etc) say $0.5m
Commissions - share of $4.2m (includes sponsorship contra and contracted sponsor and broadcast services etc)  say $2.1m
Other expenses - share of $7.3m (includes player injury insurance premium, digital transformation expenditure etc) say $2.5m
Employee Benefits - share of $32.7m (all but $12.6m Administration appears to be international teams payments etc)  say $5m.

Total - $61.2m

Who knows how close that is but with the known costs of Distributions and Travel adding up to $40.9m it's not hard to leave $50m behind.  


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Gyfox - 18 Nov 2019 11:05 PM
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From the FFA Annual Review 2018

Grants and Distributions to the clubs for A-League, W-League and NYL, marketing grant, club services grant  - $37.2m
Air and ground travel for A-League, W-League and NYL - $3.7m
Match Officials - share of $1.7m say $1.2m.
Marketing and Media - share of $14.9m (this includes broadcast contra)  say $7m
Event hosting - share of $3.4m (this includes both international games and FFA Cup and Finals series) say $1.2m
Administration - share of $2.7m (rent, stationary, printing etc)  say $1m
Broadcasting - share of $0.4m (includes negotiations with AFC etc) say $0
Other team expenses - share of $3.8m (includes PFA player welfare payments) say $1m
Professional and consultants - share of $3.2m (includes consultants for security, expansion etc) say $0.5m
Commissions - share of $4.2m (includes sponsorship contra and contracted sponsor and broadcast services etc)  say $2.1m
Other expenses - share of $7.3m (includes player injury insurance premium, digital transformation expenditure etc) say $2.5m
Employee Benefits - share of $32.7m (all but $12.6m Administration appears to be international teams payments etc)  say $5m.

Total - $61.2m

Who knows how close that is but with the known costs of Distributions and Travel adding up to $40.9m it's not hard to leave $50m behind.  


But what about other revenues FFA pull in via etc Sponsorships and merch?

i can’t see FFA using $50 mil that comes from Fox or do we just say it’s one big expenditure account?
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Also I don’t think that money should be used on WL or YL
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My point is Fox gives money to FFA and they use it for whatever they want. As long as they get 5 matches a week, play in AFL NRL offseason and every state capital market has a team.
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scott20won - 18 Nov 2019 11:10 PM
Gyfox - 18 Nov 2019 11:05 PM

But what about other revenues FFA pull in via etc Sponsorships and merch?

i can’t see FFA using $50 mil that comes from Fox or do we just say it’s one big expenditure account?

I was totalling expenditure not revenue.

The cost of sponsorship and merchandise are included in the total expenditure.  Merchandise expense is in Commissions.

The money from Fox is not only for the Leagues but includes FA Cup and internationals so less than $50m of the broadcast rights "belongs" to the clubs.


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Ok.

But Hills argument is implying AL as it was the context of that discussion.
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scott20won - 18 Nov 2019 11:13 PM
My point is Fox gives money to FFA and they use it for whatever they want. As long as they get 5 matches a week, play in AFL NRL offseason and every state capital market has a team.

That won't be the case when the IndiA is finally established.  The split between the FFA and IndiA will detail who gets what and what for which is why it is taking so long to finalise.
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scott20won - 18 Nov 2019 11:22 PM
Ok.

But Hills argument is implying AL as it was the context of that discussion.

Often people think the broadcast money is the A-League's and that is incorrect.
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Gyfox - 18 Nov 2019 11:25 PM
scott20won - 18 Nov 2019 11:22 PM

Often people think the broadcast money is the A-League's and that is incorrect.

No it is money received by FFA. They choose not to use all of it on AL. They fund other projects.
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scott20won - 18 Nov 2019 11:29 PM
Gyfox - 18 Nov 2019 11:25 PM

No it is money received by FFA. They choose not to use all of it on AL. They fund other projects.

The total revenue from broadcast rights and sponsorship is $84m pa.  My estimate is that the FFA spend about three quarters of that on the 3 leagues and the other quarter plus their other revenues on the other parts of their business.
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robbos - 18 Nov 2019 7:25 PM
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What the team that has made 4 GFs in the history of the A-League & been premiers twice & runners up twice.

Yeah fuck them.


So fucking what?  The English football pyramid for example is littered with the football club corpses of the once upon a time successful.  Obviously due to the Mariners inherent fucking shyteness in recent years they should rest on their laurels forever?  Oh wait they have. 

Do you know what the A League is in it's current form?  Corporate welfare.  

Do you know what incentive does to organisations & people?  It makes them better. I guess you're not interested in that.  



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In a resort somewhere

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paulc - 17 Jan 2020 12:14 PM
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wow, this is from 3 years ago
"Semi-pro clubs from across the country are about to gather in Melbourne to kick-start a process which could well see a nationwide competition established in 2018."

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Probably worth remembering there was a few years gap between the first announcement of  "We're planning to have a national cup next season" and the inaugural FFA cup.
These things never happen as quickly as the press announcements would like you to believe.


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