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+x+x+x+x+xYeah, it was a very frustrating interview. JJ and the whole FA need to understand that unless they give the fans what they want (and it should be clear by now that we want a second division, pro-rel and an integrated pyramid), then the professional game is going to shrivel up and die. If they do end up proposing a Champions League model for a supposed second tier, then the AAFC should just politely tell them to f--- off. It would simply be an elongated version of the current national NPL play-offs, which with nothing at stake apart from a paltry FFA Cup spot fails to attract any significant interest whatsoever. They should just plough forward with their own plans, bearing the costs from their own pockets for the first few years (with travel and admin, these come to a couple of hundred thousand a year per club). Realistically, what could the FA do to stop them? Would they really be willing to risk a Super League-style war over the ambitions of second-tier clubs to create a competition that actually implements their own stated goals? A-League fans should also let their club owners know their feelings about pro-rel. I don't know anybody who's not in favour of the principle, even if it means the risk of their own club being relegated (that's life for a football fan). The owners have to understand this. The least the APL could do is announce plans for A-League expansion to 16 teams over the next 2-4 years, and then say that once they hit 16 they will open up the league to pro-rel with the (hopefully by then existent) NSD. All it would entail would be a change to the licenses to make them dependent on not finishing last in a given season. The four expansion clubs will know what they are getting in for, while the existing clubs will just have to aim to do better than the expansion clubs, which honestly shouldn't be too much of an ask. You’re assuming “fans” know everything about structuring a competition, it’s finances and management. We can’t even agree whether it’s a foul or not yet we’re experts at this as well, lol. No, it's the task of the football authorities to figure out the finances for a competition structure that actually provides fans with what they want, and by now it's abundantly clear that fans at all levels of the game want an integrated pyramid. If the FA doesn't do that then fans will vote with their feet (as they are already doing), and the present malaise in the game risks becoming an inexorable death spiral. And it's also clear that fans at all levels do NOT want an integrated pyramid. I'm a fan of the professional game and a member of an amateur club. I want a fully professional level, and I don't care if it's integrated with the levels below. I'm happy to see a system like Colombia where there are two fully professional divisions (36 teams in total) completely separate from the local amateur leagues. I don't understand why you express these sorts of concerns. Even in Dutch football, the 2nd tier (eerstedivisie) is tied to the fully amateur comps below it. There are clubs who strive to move up the pyramid - that's the essence of football. He can't wrap his head around it no matter how many times it's explained to him.
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+x+x+x+x+xYeah, it was a very frustrating interview. JJ and the whole FA need to understand that unless they give the fans what they want (and it should be clear by now that we want a second division, pro-rel and an integrated pyramid), then the professional game is going to shrivel up and die. If they do end up proposing a Champions League model for a supposed second tier, then the AAFC should just politely tell them to f--- off. It would simply be an elongated version of the current national NPL play-offs, which with nothing at stake apart from a paltry FFA Cup spot fails to attract any significant interest whatsoever. They should just plough forward with their own plans, bearing the costs from their own pockets for the first few years (with travel and admin, these come to a couple of hundred thousand a year per club). Realistically, what could the FA do to stop them? Would they really be willing to risk a Super League-style war over the ambitions of second-tier clubs to create a competition that actually implements their own stated goals? A-League fans should also let their club owners know their feelings about pro-rel. I don't know anybody who's not in favour of the principle, even if it means the risk of their own club being relegated (that's life for a football fan). The owners have to understand this. The least the APL could do is announce plans for A-League expansion to 16 teams over the next 2-4 years, and then say that once they hit 16 they will open up the league to pro-rel with the (hopefully by then existent) NSD. All it would entail would be a change to the licenses to make them dependent on not finishing last in a given season. The four expansion clubs will know what they are getting in for, while the existing clubs will just have to aim to do better than the expansion clubs, which honestly shouldn't be too much of an ask. You’re assuming “fans” know everything about structuring a competition, it’s finances and management. We can’t even agree whether it’s a foul or not yet we’re experts at this as well, lol. No, it's the task of the football authorities to figure out the finances for a competition structure that actually provides fans with what they want, and by now it's abundantly clear that fans at all levels of the game want an integrated pyramid. If the FA doesn't do that then fans will vote with their feet (as they are already doing), and the present malaise in the game risks becoming an inexorable death spiral. And it's also clear that fans at all levels do NOT want an integrated pyramid. I'm a fan of the professional game and a member of an amateur club. I want a fully professional level, and I don't care if it's integrated with the levels below. I'm happy to see a system like Colombia where there are two fully professional divisions (36 teams in total) completely separate from the local amateur leagues. I don't understand why you express these sorts of concerns. Even in Dutch football, the 2nd tier (eerstedivisie) is tied to the fully amateur comps below it. There are clubs who strive to move up the pyramid - that's the essence of football. No, striving up the pyramid is not the essence of football. There are many clubs who are happy to be amateur clubs and who don't want to progress up the ranks. There are many countries where there is a distinction between the professional league and the amateur leagues. We don't have to have an 'integrated pyramid'. It seems the ones pushing hardest for this are the NPL clubs who don't want to professionalise and pay their players full time wages. There's nothing wrong with having a requirement that only professional clubs can be in a certain league. In fact, it's not unusual for leagues to have financial requirements that mean you can't get into the top two divisions if you are not a professional club.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xYeah, it was a very frustrating interview. JJ and the whole FA need to understand that unless they give the fans what they want (and it should be clear by now that we want a second division, pro-rel and an integrated pyramid), then the professional game is going to shrivel up and die. If they do end up proposing a Champions League model for a supposed second tier, then the AAFC should just politely tell them to f--- off. It would simply be an elongated version of the current national NPL play-offs, which with nothing at stake apart from a paltry FFA Cup spot fails to attract any significant interest whatsoever. They should just plough forward with their own plans, bearing the costs from their own pockets for the first few years (with travel and admin, these come to a couple of hundred thousand a year per club). Realistically, what could the FA do to stop them? Would they really be willing to risk a Super League-style war over the ambitions of second-tier clubs to create a competition that actually implements their own stated goals? A-League fans should also let their club owners know their feelings about pro-rel. I don't know anybody who's not in favour of the principle, even if it means the risk of their own club being relegated (that's life for a football fan). The owners have to understand this. The least the APL could do is announce plans for A-League expansion to 16 teams over the next 2-4 years, and then say that once they hit 16 they will open up the league to pro-rel with the (hopefully by then existent) NSD. All it would entail would be a change to the licenses to make them dependent on not finishing last in a given season. The four expansion clubs will know what they are getting in for, while the existing clubs will just have to aim to do better than the expansion clubs, which honestly shouldn't be too much of an ask. You’re assuming “fans” know everything about structuring a competition, it’s finances and management. We can’t even agree whether it’s a foul or not yet we’re experts at this as well, lol. No, it's the task of the football authorities to figure out the finances for a competition structure that actually provides fans with what they want, and by now it's abundantly clear that fans at all levels of the game want an integrated pyramid. If the FA doesn't do that then fans will vote with their feet (as they are already doing), and the present malaise in the game risks becoming an inexorable death spiral. And it's also clear that fans at all levels do NOT want an integrated pyramid. I'm a fan of the professional game and a member of an amateur club. I want a fully professional level, and I don't care if it's integrated with the levels below. I'm happy to see a system like Colombia where there are two fully professional divisions (36 teams in total) completely separate from the local amateur leagues. I don't understand why you express these sorts of concerns. Even in Dutch football, the 2nd tier (eerstedivisie) is tied to the fully amateur comps below it. There are clubs who strive to move up the pyramid - that's the essence of football. No, striving up the pyramid is not the essence of football. There are many clubs who are happy to be amateur clubs and who don't want to progress up the ranks. There are many countries where there is a distinction between the professional league and the amateur leagues. We don't have to have an 'integrated pyramid'. It seems the ones pushing hardest for this are the NPL clubs who don't want to professionalise and pay their players full time wages. There's nothing wrong with having a requirement that only professional clubs can be in a certain league. In fact, it's not unusual for leagues to have financial requirements that mean you can't get into the top two divisions if you are not a professional club. So just let clubs have the right pass on promotion if they earn it but choose to stay in that division, what's the problem?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xYeah, it was a very frustrating interview. JJ and the whole FA need to understand that unless they give the fans what they want (and it should be clear by now that we want a second division, pro-rel and an integrated pyramid), then the professional game is going to shrivel up and die. If they do end up proposing a Champions League model for a supposed second tier, then the AAFC should just politely tell them to f--- off. It would simply be an elongated version of the current national NPL play-offs, which with nothing at stake apart from a paltry FFA Cup spot fails to attract any significant interest whatsoever. They should just plough forward with their own plans, bearing the costs from their own pockets for the first few years (with travel and admin, these come to a couple of hundred thousand a year per club). Realistically, what could the FA do to stop them? Would they really be willing to risk a Super League-style war over the ambitions of second-tier clubs to create a competition that actually implements their own stated goals? A-League fans should also let their club owners know their feelings about pro-rel. I don't know anybody who's not in favour of the principle, even if it means the risk of their own club being relegated (that's life for a football fan). The owners have to understand this. The least the APL could do is announce plans for A-League expansion to 16 teams over the next 2-4 years, and then say that once they hit 16 they will open up the league to pro-rel with the (hopefully by then existent) NSD. All it would entail would be a change to the licenses to make them dependent on not finishing last in a given season. The four expansion clubs will know what they are getting in for, while the existing clubs will just have to aim to do better than the expansion clubs, which honestly shouldn't be too much of an ask. You’re assuming “fans” know everything about structuring a competition, it’s finances and management. We can’t even agree whether it’s a foul or not yet we’re experts at this as well, lol. No, it's the task of the football authorities to figure out the finances for a competition structure that actually provides fans with what they want, and by now it's abundantly clear that fans at all levels of the game want an integrated pyramid. If the FA doesn't do that then fans will vote with their feet (as they are already doing), and the present malaise in the game risks becoming an inexorable death spiral. And it's also clear that fans at all levels do NOT want an integrated pyramid. I'm a fan of the professional game and a member of an amateur club. I want a fully professional level, and I don't care if it's integrated with the levels below. I'm happy to see a system like Colombia where there are two fully professional divisions (36 teams in total) completely separate from the local amateur leagues. I don't understand why you express these sorts of concerns. Even in Dutch football, the 2nd tier (eerstedivisie) is tied to the fully amateur comps below it. There are clubs who strive to move up the pyramid - that's the essence of football. No, striving up the pyramid is not the essence of football. There are many clubs who are happy to be amateur clubs and who don't want to progress up the ranks. There are many countries where there is a distinction between the professional league and the amateur leagues. We don't have to have an 'integrated pyramid'. It seems the ones pushing hardest for this are the NPL clubs who don't want to professionalise and pay their players full time wages. There's nothing wrong with having a requirement that only professional clubs can be in a certain league. In fact, it's not unusual for leagues to have financial requirements that mean you can't get into the top two divisions if you are not a professional club. Oh FFS Mark.... ALL NPL clubs want to professionalise and pay their players a full time wage, why do you think there is such a strong groundswell of support for an NSD??? You make an observation above that not ALL on here want a fully integrated pyramid, I would hazard a guess that MOST would. Its a valid question though an perhaps someone who has the know how can make a POLL to ask the very simple - no bias no agenda, no talk of costs or when or whatever, no reference to which clubs or if they are ex NSL or ethnic or Aleague franchise B teams or whatever just a simple: Would you like Australian football to eventually have full pro/rel between Aleague, National second divison, NPL of each state and State leagues of each state: Yes No
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What’s clear is that the NSD has to be a measurably better league than just having top NPL clubs playing amateur football. The standard has to be such that it becomes a stepping stone to the A-League. Unless you have at least a good portion of the clubs being professional, that objective won’t be realised.
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+xWhat’s clear is that the NSD has to be a measurably better league than just having top NPL clubs playing amateur football. The standard has to be such that it becomes a stepping stone to the A-League. Unless you have at least a good portion of the clubs being professional, that objective won’t be realised. Would you like Australian football to eventually have full pro/rel between Aleague, National second divison, NPL of each state and State leagues of each state: Yes No
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+xWhat’s clear is that the NSD has to be a measurably better league than just having top NPL clubs playing amateur football. The standard has to be such that it becomes a stepping stone to the A-League. Unless you have at least a good portion of the clubs being professional, that objective won’t be realised. Well thats what the NSD should be precisely and isn't that what we all can agree with ?! barring that MFCroydome. NSD is about stepping up another level from the current NPL for sure otherwsie what the bloody point.
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+x+xWhat’s clear is that the NSD has to be a measurably better league than just having top NPL clubs playing amateur football. The standard has to be such that it becomes a stepping stone to the A-League. Unless you have at least a good portion of the clubs being professional, that objective won’t be realised. Well thats what the NSD should be precisely and isn't that what we all can agree with ?! barring that MFCroydome. NSD is about stepping up another level from the current NPL for sure otherwsie what the bloody point. Some would would say that an amateur NSD is a good enough stepping stone. My point is that it’s not.
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+x+x+xWhat’s clear is that the NSD has to be a measurably better league than just having top NPL clubs playing amateur football. The standard has to be such that it becomes a stepping stone to the A-League. Unless you have at least a good portion of the clubs being professional, that objective won’t be realised. Well thats what the NSD should be precisely and isn't that what we all can agree with ?! barring that MFCroydome. NSD is about stepping up another level from the current NPL for sure otherwsie what the bloody point. Some would would say that an amateur NSD is a good enough stepping stone. My point is that it’s not. some have actually said, X amount of Clubs should be in postion to turn Pro and another portion though viable to be in the NSD will take a little more time. As I said I agree it should be Pro, but can all 16 odd semi Pro Clubs who put their hand up be in ready for this from the get go ? Thats the big question, will depend what the final criteria set will be I guess. Are baby steps acceptable ? depends what the final budgets are ? Me, if you've put your hat in the ring, you have committed to going Pro but massive job for some I expect, grounds updated, staffing, sponserships etcetc but thats what your committing to for me.
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+x+x+x+xWhat’s clear is that the NSD has to be a measurably better league than just having top NPL clubs playing amateur football. The standard has to be such that it becomes a stepping stone to the A-League. Unless you have at least a good portion of the clubs being professional, that objective won’t be realised. Well thats what the NSD should be precisely and isn't that what we all can agree with ?! barring that MFCroydome. NSD is about stepping up another level from the current NPL for sure otherwsie what the bloody point. Some would would say that an amateur NSD is a good enough stepping stone. My point is that it’s not. some have actually said, X amount of Clubs should be in postion to turn Pro and another portion though viable to be in the NSD will take a little more time. As I said I agree it should be Pro, but can all 16 odd semi Pro Clubs who put their hand up be in ready for this from the get go ? Thats the big question, will depend what the final criteria set will be I guess. Are baby steps acceptable ? depends what the final budgets are ? Me, if you've put your hat in the ring, you have committed to going Pro but massive job for some I expect, grounds updated, staffing, sponserships etcetc but thats what your committing to for me. The only criteria is full professionalism. Advertise it as that, and see how many clubs commit. Then you know how big the division will be. If you get 16 clubs great. If you get 12 or 10 that's fine, just work out a fixture. Heck, even if you only get 8 clubs, they can play each other 4 times. The point is, even if you only get 8 clubs, all the really good promising young footballers will leave their current NPL club to join a club in the second division where they can be paid to play and train full time and be a professional player. That is what will cause a quantum leap in the standard of the players and the teams in the second division.
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+x+xWhat’s clear is that the NSD has to be a measurably better league than just having top NPL clubs playing amateur football. The standard has to be such that it becomes a stepping stone to the A-League. Unless you have at least a good portion of the clubs being professional, that objective won’t be realised. Would you like Australian football to eventually have full pro/rel between Aleague, National second divison, NPL of each state and State leagues of each state: Yes No Eventually, absolutely.
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agreed paulc, though imo it must be at least 10 Clubs min, otherwise to damn small and maybe I'm pushing it but 10 should be the target.
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Where I Say WHERE is the the 2nd Divisoin ? We NEED a PROPER Second division and NOW . andNOT half -bake pigs' break fast We need A.C.T.I.O.N not talk &talk an d talk around circles!! Do theSuits in charge even understand our BeLoved game?? Its NOT hard Just Do it Already , Its NOT rocketSceince geez!!
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+xWhere I Say WHERE is the the 2nd Divisoin ? We NEED a PROPER Second division and NOW . andNOT half -bake pigs' break fast We need A.C.T.I.O.N not talk &talk an d talk around circles!! Do theSuits in charge even understand our BeLoved game?? Its NOT hard Just Do it Already , Its NOT rocketSceince geez!! Remote baby, one thing we cannot accuse the establishment of is being Rocket Scientists. The clubs insist that they can spend the money for the travel yet James Johnson of the FA is still keen on keeping the NPL with combined semi finals, and call that Second Division.
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+x+xWhere I Say WHERE is the the 2nd Divisoin ? We NEED a PROPER Second division and NOW . andNOT half -bake pigs' break fast We need A.C.T.I.O.N not talk &talk an d talk around circles!! Do theSuits in charge even understand our BeLoved game?? Its NOT hard Just Do it Already , Its NOT rocketSceince geez!! Remote baby, one thing we cannot accuse the establishment of is being Rocket Scientists. The clubs insist that they can spend the money for the travel yet James Johnson of the FA is still keen on keeping the NPL with combined semi finals, and call that Second Division. It would make sense that once we have an NSD, that what you describe there is effectively the 3rd tier.
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+x+x+x+x+xWhat’s clear is that the NSD has to be a measurably better league than just having top NPL clubs playing amateur football. The standard has to be such that it becomes a stepping stone to the A-League. Unless you have at least a good portion of the clubs being professional, that objective won’t be realised. Well thats what the NSD should be precisely and isn't that what we all can agree with ?! barring that MFCroydome. NSD is about stepping up another level from the current NPL for sure otherwsie what the bloody point. Some would would say that an amateur NSD is a good enough stepping stone. My point is that it’s not. some have actually said, X amount of Clubs should be in postion to turn Pro and another portion though viable to be in the NSD will take a little more time. As I said I agree it should be Pro, but can all 16 odd semi Pro Clubs who put their hand up be in ready for this from the get go ? Thats the big question, will depend what the final criteria set will be I guess. Are baby steps acceptable ? depends what the final budgets are ? Me, if you've put your hat in the ring, you have committed to going Pro but massive job for some I expect, grounds updated, staffing, sponserships etcetc but thats what your committing to for me. The only criteria is full professionalism. Advertise it as that, and see how many clubs commit. Then you know how big the division will be. If you get 16 clubs great. If you get 12 or 10 that's fine, just work out a fixture. Heck, even if you only get 8 clubs, they can play each other 4 times. The point is, even if you only get 8 clubs, all the really good promising young footballers will leave their current NPL club to join a club in the second division where they can be paid to play and train full time and be a professional player. That is what will cause a quantum leap in the standard of the players and the teams in the second division. So far there are 32 clubs commiting to it, is this not enough?
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+x+x+xWhat’s clear is that the NSD has to be a measurably better league than just having top NPL clubs playing amateur football. The standard has to be such that it becomes a stepping stone to the A-League. Unless you have at least a good portion of the clubs being professional, that objective won’t be realised. Would you like Australian football to eventually have full pro/rel between Aleague, National second divison, NPL of each state and State leagues of each state: Yes No Eventually, absolutely. Finally something we can agree with... right so next step. What criteria would you suggest that clubs (as a minimum) need to meet to participate in: NSD NPL STATE LEAGUE Bear in mind that the Aleague clubs ONLY need to stump up a license fee and just recently they are being pushed to have a boys junior set-up - thats it as far as I know or if anyone else can let us know otherwise Football administtative and financial suggestions only please, Im not intetested in your views on citizenship and appartheid thanks
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Jason Culina who hasnt watched Aleague for 4 years because it is boring but now his sons are in "the system" its exciting again?
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+x+x+x+xWhat’s clear is that the NSD has to be a measurably better league than just having top NPL clubs playing amateur football. The standard has to be such that it becomes a stepping stone to the A-League. Unless you have at least a good portion of the clubs being professional, that objective won’t be realised. Would you like Australian football to eventually have full pro/rel between Aleague, National second divison, NPL of each state and State leagues of each state: Yes No Eventually, absolutely. Finally something we can agree with... right so next step. What criteria would you suggest that clubs (as a minimum) need to meet to participate in: NSD NPL STATE LEAGUE Bear in mind that the Aleague clubs ONLY need to stump up a license fee and just recently they are being pushed to have a boys junior set-up - thats it as far as I know or if anyone else can let us know otherwise Football administtative and financial suggestions only please, Im not intetested in your views on citizenship and appartheid thanks They’re not being “pushed”, until recently AL clubs were banned from having junior Academies. State level politics mainly.
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+x+x+x+xWhat’s clear is that the NSD has to be a measurably better league than just having top NPL clubs playing amateur football. The standard has to be such that it becomes a stepping stone to the A-League. Unless you have at least a good portion of the clubs being professional, that objective won’t be realised. Would you like Australian football to eventually have full pro/rel between Aleague, National second divison, NPL of each state and State leagues of each state: Yes No Eventually, absolutely. Finally something we can agree with... right so next step. What criteria would you suggest that clubs (as a minimum) need to meet to participate in: NSD NPL STATE LEAGUE Bear in mind that the Aleague clubs ONLY need to stump up a license fee and just recently they are being pushed to have a boys junior set-up - thats it as far as I know or if anyone else can let us know otherwise Football administtative and financial suggestions only please, Im not intetested in your views on citizenship and appartheid thanks You’re a goose Con.
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I don’t take too much notice when Jason says something but he’s got the professionalism part right and the reasons for it make sense.
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+xI don’t take too much notice when Jason says something but he’s got the professionalism part right and the reasons for it make sense. Agree but only a pie in the sky optimist would believe the money is there for a second division.
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+xagreed paulc, though imo it must be at least 10 Clubs min, otherwise to damn small and maybe I'm pushing it but 10 should be the target. It would be good to see a response to join a professional NSD. I agree, less than 10 may be too small, but hell if it was a choice of a professional NSD or not I’d take the 8 as well, although not ideal.
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+x+xI don’t take too much notice when Jason says something but he’s got the professionalism part right and the reasons for it make sense. Agree but only a pie in the sky optimist would believe the money is there for a second division. Well the clubs and the AAFC are optimistic because they insist that Second Division can start next season. JJ insists its not if it is going to come in but when. Clubs don't want to keep getting told that they cannot afford it when they insist they can. Has anyone seen their books to offer a counter argument to the clubs? JJ is stalling though and I am not sure what the ultimate political reason is for that. On the Shim Spider @ Spiro podcast recently, Simon Hill was talking to JJ and he mentioned that the FA had just unbundled, so he is not in a hurry. I say, next step thanks. Going @ snails pace with too much respect paid to red tape. People have to put up with out & out red tape merchants.
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No EXCUSE It is is theSuits Job to G.E. T T H.E M.O.N. E. Y ! that why they get payed thebig $$$s It s there J.O. B !
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patjennings
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+x+x+xI don’t take too much notice when Jason says something but he’s got the professionalism part right and the reasons for it make sense. Agree but only a pie in the sky optimist would believe the money is there for a second division. Well the clubs and the AAFC are optimistic because they insist that Second Division can start next season. JJ insists its not if it is going to come in but when. Clubs don't want to keep getting told that they cannot afford it when they insist they can. Has anyone seen their books to offer a counter argument to the clubs? JJ is stalling though and I am not sure what the ultimate political reason is for that. On the Shim Spider @ Spiro podcast recently, Simon Hill was talking to JJ and he mentioned that the FA had just unbundled, so he is not in a hurry. I say, next step thanks. Going @ snails pace with too much respect paid to red tape. People have to put up with out & out red tape merchants. The AAFC and FA are in lock step on the timing - that is from JJ and NG. The AAFC and FA are both targeting next year, if it is a summer league. i.e. 22-23. They both want to leagues to align. If it is to be a winter league then they both agree on 2023. That is what JJ means when he says ' insists its not if it is going to come in but when'.
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JJ in his Feb 12 ceo update has again iterated that the member federations are the most important stakeholder in the national second division discussions. https://m.facebook.com/FootballAUS/In my opinion, the member federations are the only hurdle for the acceptance of the AAFC model. All these aspiring NPL clubs are currently under member federation rule, generating income for their masters. Will the member federations agree to the AAFC model and allow their most significant clubs to breakaway to form their own independent league? Doubt it. Not to mention that this would likely set the ball rolling for an eventual independent 3rd division and loss of even more clubs down the track. The member federations will want a system for the second division that they are in control of. Thus this proposed NPL merged semifinal series. With the power that the member federations have in the Congress, I can't see any NSD model getting through that is not in their interests. Perhaps if the FA allowed the proposed league to be run by a board comprised of member federation representatives from each state (rather than the FA themselves), the AAFC model or something similar could get the go ahead.
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MarkfromCroydon
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWhat’s clear is that the NSD has to be a measurably better league than just having top NPL clubs playing amateur football. The standard has to be such that it becomes a stepping stone to the A-League. Unless you have at least a good portion of the clubs being professional, that objective won’t be realised. Well thats what the NSD should be precisely and isn't that what we all can agree with ?! barring that MFCroydome. NSD is about stepping up another level from the current NPL for sure otherwsie what the bloody point. Some would would say that an amateur NSD is a good enough stepping stone. My point is that it’s not. some have actually said, X amount of Clubs should be in postion to turn Pro and another portion though viable to be in the NSD will take a little more time. As I said I agree it should be Pro, but can all 16 odd semi Pro Clubs who put their hand up be in ready for this from the get go ? Thats the big question, will depend what the final criteria set will be I guess. Are baby steps acceptable ? depends what the final budgets are ? Me, if you've put your hat in the ring, you have committed to going Pro but massive job for some I expect, grounds updated, staffing, sponserships etcetc but thats what your committing to for me. The only criteria is full professionalism. Advertise it as that, and see how many clubs commit. Then you know how big the division will be. If you get 16 clubs great. If you get 12 or 10 that's fine, just work out a fixture. Heck, even if you only get 8 clubs, they can play each other 4 times. The point is, even if you only get 8 clubs, all the really good promising young footballers will leave their current NPL club to join a club in the second division where they can be paid to play and train full time and be a professional player. That is what will cause a quantum leap in the standard of the players and the teams in the second division. So far there are 32 clubs commiting to it, is this not enough? So 32 committing to full professionalism? Thats not my understanding. I keep banging on about full professionalism because that is the only necessity. I’m one of the many people who understand this, along with people like Culina, Arnold, Didiluca etc. I reckon many NPL people also know this but are putting the interests of their clubs before the interests of the game. We don’t need 32, as I said above, even 8 clubs is enough, as long as they are fully professional.
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df1982
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Why is it all or nothing? Why not have a model that allows clubs to be semi-pro to play in the NSD, but in which they can also turn fully pro if they want to push for promotion to the A-League? There are plenty of lower leagues that work like this, e.g. the National League in the UK. Surely allowing clubs to organically shift to full-time professionalism when they judge they have sufficient resources for it is preferable to forcing them all to make the leap of faith right from the start.
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