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+xModel, Criteria and EOIs complete by Mid 2023 Interesting that in the quotes from the article JJ is still referring to a "second tier " comp ( not a 'division' , or 'national' SD ) . I guess the champions league / conference models are still on the table ?
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How's the SMH president already talking like this though aha: The beauty of this is that [an NSD's] a competition that will be owned by the FA and they similarly have to put resources in to make sure that the commercial aspect of it, at some point, can contribute back to the clubs," he said.
"I'm not for one moment suggesting that they need to be funding us from day one, not at all. This is an investment that we're all making."But at some point, they also have to make sure that they've got the appropriate resources to make sure that this competition also gives back to the clubs.
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Amazing!! This is some of the best news we have heard in a long long time
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Model, Criteria and EOIs complete by Mid 2023
As per JJ today
Starting date TBC
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBumping this again, because it's extraordinary that this article is 5 years old - written by the late Michael Cockerill! They were aiming for a start date of 2018. Yep, you heard that right. It soon became 2020, but COVID hit, so we could excuse that for a couple of years. I could have sworn I then heard 2022, but no, we are 75% through 2022. Doesn't really look like they could get it up for 2023, but I guess it's still possible. I think the reasons for the delay are two-fold: 1. an ongoing concern about the cost of running a national comp 2. various stakeholders putting forward conflicting models (and that includes stakeholders who arguably, should not really have a say in how the NSD is structured. The other cautionary part of this tale is that the FA has started referring to it as the 2nd "tier". So yeh, that's acceptable nomenclature, but a tiny bit of critical thinking would suggest that the change in terms used is no accident. FA have to approve it and are currently 19 months into their ponderings with still no sign of a choice of model. FA board is responsible for how fast it happens. Pretty much this..... A few small hints dropped here and there about an announcement just before the Aleague launch... lets see?. If we see SU58 win the cup (anything can happen in a final, especially if it goes to pens), it would be a massive shame to not drive that momentum into a proper official statement about the future NSD. Especially with SU58 being a contender for an initial NSD spot. If we hear nothing, it's probably time for the AAFC to return to the whole 'without the FA' idea and find a way to fund/run it themselves. Even if they dont win the cup mate, I still think its a great achievement by a semi pro club with ambitions. Never has the level between NPL and Aleague been so close (not just on the park but in the back rooms as well) .. If JJ and the FA dont make a move soon I fear that all chances are lost. yep and nothing like keeping our game overall in the backrooms of BS politics and procastinating no diff to what others crap on of the ol NSL days. The game here needs the life of the pyrimad for its future period for the participants and supporters. IF the FA don't stand up real soon for the good of the game below APL they can GGF.
I have a feeling money isn’t the only talking point but bureaucracy is also playing its part too. Mate, to put it in perspective Australian BASEBALL has a national competition (and one NZ team I believe) yet manage to fly teams around the country to play in front of <500 crowds and they are talking about a women's national league next year.!!!... Lack of money is NOT the only consideration ...... unless you mean keeping the APL cartel investments alive and protected? The sooner the foreign owners piss off, the sooner we can all get what we want. All paid for by the Atlassian billionaire I didnt know that, fair enough. What about the Womens national ice hockey league or the men's field hockey? Point is its doable on very tight budgets......
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBumping this again, because it's extraordinary that this article is 5 years old - written by the late Michael Cockerill! They were aiming for a start date of 2018. Yep, you heard that right. It soon became 2020, but COVID hit, so we could excuse that for a couple of years. I could have sworn I then heard 2022, but no, we are 75% through 2022. Doesn't really look like they could get it up for 2023, but I guess it's still possible. I think the reasons for the delay are two-fold: 1. an ongoing concern about the cost of running a national comp 2. various stakeholders putting forward conflicting models (and that includes stakeholders who arguably, should not really have a say in how the NSD is structured. The other cautionary part of this tale is that the FA has started referring to it as the 2nd "tier". So yeh, that's acceptable nomenclature, but a tiny bit of critical thinking would suggest that the change in terms used is no accident. FA have to approve it and are currently 19 months into their ponderings with still no sign of a choice of model. FA board is responsible for how fast it happens. Pretty much this..... A few small hints dropped here and there about an announcement just before the Aleague launch... lets see?. If we see SU58 win the cup (anything can happen in a final, especially if it goes to pens), it would be a massive shame to not drive that momentum into a proper official statement about the future NSD. Especially with SU58 being a contender for an initial NSD spot. If we hear nothing, it's probably time for the AAFC to return to the whole 'without the FA' idea and find a way to fund/run it themselves. Even if they dont win the cup mate, I still think its a great achievement by a semi pro club with ambitions. Never has the level between NPL and Aleague been so close (not just on the park but in the back rooms as well) .. If JJ and the FA dont make a move soon I fear that all chances are lost. yep and nothing like keeping our game overall in the backrooms of BS politics and procastinating no diff to what others crap on of the ol NSL days. The game here needs the life of the pyrimad for its future period for the participants and supporters. IF the FA don't stand up real soon for the good of the game below APL they can GGF.
I have a feeling money isn’t the only talking point but bureaucracy is also playing its part too. Mate, to put it in perspective Australian BASEBALL has a national competition (and one NZ team I believe) yet manage to fly teams around the country to play in front of <500 crowds and they are talking about a women's national league next year.!!!... Lack of money is NOT the only consideration ...... unless you mean keeping the APL cartel investments alive and protected? The sooner the foreign owners piss off, the sooner we can all get what we want. All paid for by the Atlassian billionaire
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBumping this again, because it's extraordinary that this article is 5 years old - written by the late Michael Cockerill! They were aiming for a start date of 2018. Yep, you heard that right. It soon became 2020, but COVID hit, so we could excuse that for a couple of years. I could have sworn I then heard 2022, but no, we are 75% through 2022. Doesn't really look like they could get it up for 2023, but I guess it's still possible. I think the reasons for the delay are two-fold: 1. an ongoing concern about the cost of running a national comp 2. various stakeholders putting forward conflicting models (and that includes stakeholders who arguably, should not really have a say in how the NSD is structured. The other cautionary part of this tale is that the FA has started referring to it as the 2nd "tier". So yeh, that's acceptable nomenclature, but a tiny bit of critical thinking would suggest that the change in terms used is no accident. FA have to approve it and are currently 19 months into their ponderings with still no sign of a choice of model. FA board is responsible for how fast it happens. Pretty much this..... A few small hints dropped here and there about an announcement just before the Aleague launch... lets see?. If we see SU58 win the cup (anything can happen in a final, especially if it goes to pens), it would be a massive shame to not drive that momentum into a proper official statement about the future NSD. Especially with SU58 being a contender for an initial NSD spot. If we hear nothing, it's probably time for the AAFC to return to the whole 'without the FA' idea and find a way to fund/run it themselves. Even if they dont win the cup mate, I still think its a great achievement by a semi pro club with ambitions. Never has the level between NPL and Aleague been so close (not just on the park but in the back rooms as well) .. If JJ and the FA dont make a move soon I fear that all chances are lost. yep and nothing like keeping our game overall in the backrooms of BS politics and procastinating no diff to what others crap on of the ol NSL days. The game here needs the life of the pyrimad for its future period for the participants and supporters. IF the FA don't stand up real soon for the good of the game below APL they can GGF.
I have a feeling money isn’t the only talking point but bureaucracy is also playing its part too. Mate, to put it in perspective Australian BASEBALL has a national competition (and one NZ team I believe) yet manage to fly teams around the country to play in front of <500 crowds and they are talking about a women's national league next year.!!!... Lack of money is NOT the only consideration ...... unless you mean keeping the APL cartel investments alive and protected? The sooner the foreign owners piss off, the sooner we can all get what we want.
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+x+xI’m losing faith, how we are still waiting for some news? Only now? This thread has been running for 5 years and nothing has changed. Have to laugh at the other thread 'what teams will be in' or something. As if it's some sort of foregone conclusion. Even if they do manage to get something happening the format will be some abortion that no one will be happy with. Sadly your right, not much has changed since all the talk began 5 years ago. And your right we will probably get an model which isn’t what the game needs going forward. Following Aus football is one large frustration overall.
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+x+xI’m losing faith, how we are still waiting for some news? This thread has been running for 5 years and nothing has changed. There' s certainly no NSD , that' s for sure ...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBumping this again, because it's extraordinary that this article is 5 years old - written by the late Michael Cockerill! They were aiming for a start date of 2018. Yep, you heard that right. It soon became 2020, but COVID hit, so we could excuse that for a couple of years. I could have sworn I then heard 2022, but no, we are 75% through 2022. Doesn't really look like they could get it up for 2023, but I guess it's still possible. I think the reasons for the delay are two-fold: 1. an ongoing concern about the cost of running a national comp 2. various stakeholders putting forward conflicting models (and that includes stakeholders who arguably, should not really have a say in how the NSD is structured. The other cautionary part of this tale is that the FA has started referring to it as the 2nd "tier". So yeh, that's acceptable nomenclature, but a tiny bit of critical thinking would suggest that the change in terms used is no accident. FA have to approve it and are currently 19 months into their ponderings with still no sign of a choice of model. FA board is responsible for how fast it happens. Pretty much this..... A few small hints dropped here and there about an announcement just before the Aleague launch... lets see?. If we see SU58 win the cup (anything can happen in a final, especially if it goes to pens), it would be a massive shame to not drive that momentum into a proper official statement about the future NSD. Especially with SU58 being a contender for an initial NSD spot. If we hear nothing, it's probably time for the AAFC to return to the whole 'without the FA' idea and find a way to fund/run it themselves. Even if they dont win the cup mate, I still think its a great achievement by a semi pro club with ambitions. Never has the level between NPL and Aleague been so close (not just on the park but in the back rooms as well) .. If JJ and the FA dont make a move soon I fear that all chances are lost. yep and nothing like keeping our game overall in the backrooms of BS politics and procastinating no diff to what others crap on of the ol NSL days. The game here needs the life of the pyrimad for its future period for the participants and supporters. IF the FA don't stand up real soon for the good of the game below APL they can GGF.
I have a feeling money isn’t the only talking point but bureaucracy is also playing its part too. Yes, definitely a bit of both (and by bureaucracy, I would take that to mean different stakeholders putting in their two bobs worth). Also, the money side feeds the other. For example, if they think it's on the expensive side, they are more prone to: - introduce higher license fees, and - accept offers from APL clubs to play their reserves, which the FA might view as a good option to mitigate the financial risk (not to mention that the APL clubs probably carry the most clout of all the stakeholders). On the one hand, maybe no news is good news. The longer the argy bargy, what is the likely outcome? You can argue that both ways. Maybe JJ is holding out against the clubs for a more football centric outcome. Maybe that's worth the wait.
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+xI’m losing faith, how we are still waiting for some news? Only now? This thread has been running for 5 years and nothing has changed. Have to laugh at the other thread 'what teams will be in' or something. As if it's some sort of foregone conclusion. Even if they do manage to get something happening the format will be some abortion that no one will be happy with.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xBumping this again, because it's extraordinary that this article is 5 years old - written by the late Michael Cockerill! They were aiming for a start date of 2018. Yep, you heard that right. It soon became 2020, but COVID hit, so we could excuse that for a couple of years. I could have sworn I then heard 2022, but no, we are 75% through 2022. Doesn't really look like they could get it up for 2023, but I guess it's still possible. I think the reasons for the delay are two-fold: 1. an ongoing concern about the cost of running a national comp 2. various stakeholders putting forward conflicting models (and that includes stakeholders who arguably, should not really have a say in how the NSD is structured. The other cautionary part of this tale is that the FA has started referring to it as the 2nd "tier". So yeh, that's acceptable nomenclature, but a tiny bit of critical thinking would suggest that the change in terms used is no accident. FA have to approve it and are currently 19 months into their ponderings with still no sign of a choice of model. FA board is responsible for how fast it happens. Pretty much this..... A few small hints dropped here and there about an announcement just before the Aleague launch... lets see?. If we see SU58 win the cup (anything can happen in a final, especially if it goes to pens), it would be a massive shame to not drive that momentum into a proper official statement about the future NSD. Especially with SU58 being a contender for an initial NSD spot. If we hear nothing, it's probably time for the AAFC to return to the whole 'without the FA' idea and find a way to fund/run it themselves. Even if they dont win the cup mate, I still think its a great achievement by a semi pro club with ambitions. Never has the level between NPL and Aleague been so close (not just on the park but in the back rooms as well) .. If JJ and the FA dont make a move soon I fear that all chances are lost. yep and nothing like keeping our game overall in the backrooms of BS politics and procastinating no diff to what others crap on of the ol NSL days. The game here needs the life of the pyrimad for its future period for the participants and supporters. IF the FA don't stand up real soon for the good of the game below APL they can GGF.
I have a feeling money isn’t the only talking point but bureaucracy is also playing its part too.
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I’m losing faith, how we are still waiting for some news?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBumping this again, because it's extraordinary that this article is 5 years old - written by the late Michael Cockerill! They were aiming for a start date of 2018. Yep, you heard that right. It soon became 2020, but COVID hit, so we could excuse that for a couple of years. I could have sworn I then heard 2022, but no, we are 75% through 2022. Doesn't really look like they could get it up for 2023, but I guess it's still possible. I think the reasons for the delay are two-fold: 1. an ongoing concern about the cost of running a national comp 2. various stakeholders putting forward conflicting models (and that includes stakeholders who arguably, should not really have a say in how the NSD is structured. The other cautionary part of this tale is that the FA has started referring to it as the 2nd "tier". So yeh, that's acceptable nomenclature, but a tiny bit of critical thinking would suggest that the change in terms used is no accident. FA have to approve it and are currently 19 months into their ponderings with still no sign of a choice of model. FA board is responsible for how fast it happens. Pretty much this..... A few small hints dropped here and there about an announcement just before the Aleague launch... lets see?. If we see SU58 win the cup (anything can happen in a final, especially if it goes to pens), it would be a massive shame to not drive that momentum into a proper official statement about the future NSD. Especially with SU58 being a contender for an initial NSD spot. If we hear nothing, it's probably time for the AAFC to return to the whole 'without the FA' idea and find a way to fund/run it themselves. Even if they dont win the cup mate, I still think its a great achievement by a semi pro club with ambitions. Never has the level between NPL and Aleague been so close (not just on the park but in the back rooms as well) .. If JJ and the FA dont make a move soon I fear that all chances are lost. I think this is true, the gap is probably at its smallest right now. At least the APL has achieved something Ahahahaha
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+x+x+x+x+x+xBumping this again, because it's extraordinary that this article is 5 years old - written by the late Michael Cockerill! They were aiming for a start date of 2018. Yep, you heard that right. It soon became 2020, but COVID hit, so we could excuse that for a couple of years. I could have sworn I then heard 2022, but no, we are 75% through 2022. Doesn't really look like they could get it up for 2023, but I guess it's still possible. I think the reasons for the delay are two-fold: 1. an ongoing concern about the cost of running a national comp 2. various stakeholders putting forward conflicting models (and that includes stakeholders who arguably, should not really have a say in how the NSD is structured. The other cautionary part of this tale is that the FA has started referring to it as the 2nd "tier". So yeh, that's acceptable nomenclature, but a tiny bit of critical thinking would suggest that the change in terms used is no accident. FA have to approve it and are currently 19 months into their ponderings with still no sign of a choice of model. FA board is responsible for how fast it happens. Pretty much this..... A few small hints dropped here and there about an announcement just before the Aleague launch... lets see?. If we see SU58 win the cup (anything can happen in a final, especially if it goes to pens), it would be a massive shame to not drive that momentum into a proper official statement about the future NSD. Especially with SU58 being a contender for an initial NSD spot. If we hear nothing, it's probably time for the AAFC to return to the whole 'without the FA' idea and find a way to fund/run it themselves. Even if they dont win the cup mate, I still think its a great achievement by a semi pro club with ambitions. Never has the level between NPL and Aleague been so close (not just on the park but in the back rooms as well) .. If JJ and the FA dont make a move soon I fear that all chances are lost. I think this is true, the gap is probably at its smallest right now. At least the APL has achieved something
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+x+x+x+x+xBumping this again, because it's extraordinary that this article is 5 years old - written by the late Michael Cockerill! They were aiming for a start date of 2018. Yep, you heard that right. It soon became 2020, but COVID hit, so we could excuse that for a couple of years. I could have sworn I then heard 2022, but no, we are 75% through 2022. Doesn't really look like they could get it up for 2023, but I guess it's still possible. I think the reasons for the delay are two-fold: 1. an ongoing concern about the cost of running a national comp 2. various stakeholders putting forward conflicting models (and that includes stakeholders who arguably, should not really have a say in how the NSD is structured. The other cautionary part of this tale is that the FA has started referring to it as the 2nd "tier". So yeh, that's acceptable nomenclature, but a tiny bit of critical thinking would suggest that the change in terms used is no accident. FA have to approve it and are currently 19 months into their ponderings with still no sign of a choice of model. FA board is responsible for how fast it happens. Pretty much this..... A few small hints dropped here and there about an announcement just before the Aleague launch... lets see?. If we see SU58 win the cup (anything can happen in a final, especially if it goes to pens), it would be a massive shame to not drive that momentum into a proper official statement about the future NSD. Especially with SU58 being a contender for an initial NSD spot. If we hear nothing, it's probably time for the AAFC to return to the whole 'without the FA' idea and find a way to fund/run it themselves. Even if they dont win the cup mate, I still think its a great achievement by a semi pro club with ambitions. Never has the level between NPL and Aleague been so close (not just on the park but in the back rooms as well) .. If JJ and the FA dont make a move soon I fear that all chances are lost. yep and nothing like keeping our game overall in the backrooms of BS politics and procastinating no diff to what others crap on of the ol NSL days. The game here needs the life of the pyrimad for its future period for the participants and supporters. IF the FA don't stand up real soon for the good of the game below APL they can GGF.
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+x+x+x+x+xBumping this again, because it's extraordinary that this article is 5 years old - written by the late Michael Cockerill! They were aiming for a start date of 2018. Yep, you heard that right. It soon became 2020, but COVID hit, so we could excuse that for a couple of years. I could have sworn I then heard 2022, but no, we are 75% through 2022. Doesn't really look like they could get it up for 2023, but I guess it's still possible. I think the reasons for the delay are two-fold: 1. an ongoing concern about the cost of running a national comp 2. various stakeholders putting forward conflicting models (and that includes stakeholders who arguably, should not really have a say in how the NSD is structured. The other cautionary part of this tale is that the FA has started referring to it as the 2nd "tier". So yeh, that's acceptable nomenclature, but a tiny bit of critical thinking would suggest that the change in terms used is no accident. FA have to approve it and are currently 19 months into their ponderings with still no sign of a choice of model. FA board is responsible for how fast it happens. Pretty much this..... A few small hints dropped here and there about an announcement just before the Aleague launch... lets see?. If we see SU58 win the cup (anything can happen in a final, especially if it goes to pens), it would be a massive shame to not drive that momentum into a proper official statement about the future NSD. Especially with SU58 being a contender for an initial NSD spot. If we hear nothing, it's probably time for the AAFC to return to the whole 'without the FA' idea and find a way to fund/run it themselves. Even if they dont win the cup mate, I still think its a great achievement by a semi pro club with ambitions. Never has the level between NPL and Aleague been so close (not just on the park but in the back rooms as well) .. If JJ and the FA dont make a move soon I fear that all chances are lost. I think this is true, the gap is probably at its smallest right now.
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+x+x+x+xBumping this again, because it's extraordinary that this article is 5 years old - written by the late Michael Cockerill! They were aiming for a start date of 2018. Yep, you heard that right. It soon became 2020, but COVID hit, so we could excuse that for a couple of years. I could have sworn I then heard 2022, but no, we are 75% through 2022. Doesn't really look like they could get it up for 2023, but I guess it's still possible. I think the reasons for the delay are two-fold: 1. an ongoing concern about the cost of running a national comp 2. various stakeholders putting forward conflicting models (and that includes stakeholders who arguably, should not really have a say in how the NSD is structured. The other cautionary part of this tale is that the FA has started referring to it as the 2nd "tier". So yeh, that's acceptable nomenclature, but a tiny bit of critical thinking would suggest that the change in terms used is no accident. FA have to approve it and are currently 19 months into their ponderings with still no sign of a choice of model. FA board is responsible for how fast it happens. Pretty much this..... A few small hints dropped here and there about an announcement just before the Aleague launch... lets see?. If we see SU58 win the cup (anything can happen in a final, especially if it goes to pens), it would be a massive shame to not drive that momentum into a proper official statement about the future NSD. Especially with SU58 being a contender for an initial NSD spot. If we hear nothing, it's probably time for the AAFC to return to the whole 'without the FA' idea and find a way to fund/run it themselves. Even if they dont win the cup mate, I still think its a great achievement by a semi pro club with ambitions. Never has the level between NPL and Aleague been so close (not just on the park but in the back rooms as well) .. If JJ and the FA dont make a move soon I fear that all chances are lost.
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+x+x+xBumping this again, because it's extraordinary that this article is 5 years old - written by the late Michael Cockerill! They were aiming for a start date of 2018. Yep, you heard that right. It soon became 2020, but COVID hit, so we could excuse that for a couple of years. I could have sworn I then heard 2022, but no, we are 75% through 2022. Doesn't really look like they could get it up for 2023, but I guess it's still possible. I think the reasons for the delay are two-fold: 1. an ongoing concern about the cost of running a national comp 2. various stakeholders putting forward conflicting models (and that includes stakeholders who arguably, should not really have a say in how the NSD is structured. The other cautionary part of this tale is that the FA has started referring to it as the 2nd "tier". So yeh, that's acceptable nomenclature, but a tiny bit of critical thinking would suggest that the change in terms used is no accident. FA have to approve it and are currently 19 months into their ponderings with still no sign of a choice of model. FA board is responsible for how fast it happens. Pretty much this..... A few small hints dropped here and there about an announcement just before the Aleague launch... lets see?. If we see SU58 win the cup (anything can happen in a final, especially if it goes to pens), it would be a massive shame to not drive that momentum into a proper official statement about the future NSD. Especially with SU58 being a contender for an initial NSD spot. If we hear nothing, it's probably time for the AAFC to return to the whole 'without the FA' idea and find a way to fund/run it themselves.
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+x+xBumping this again, because it's extraordinary that this article is 5 years old - written by the late Michael Cockerill! They were aiming for a start date of 2018. Yep, you heard that right. It soon became 2020, but COVID hit, so we could excuse that for a couple of years. I could have sworn I then heard 2022, but no, we are 75% through 2022. Doesn't really look like they could get it up for 2023, but I guess it's still possible. I think the reasons for the delay are two-fold: 1. an ongoing concern about the cost of running a national comp 2. various stakeholders putting forward conflicting models (and that includes stakeholders who arguably, should not really have a say in how the NSD is structured. The other cautionary part of this tale is that the FA has started referring to it as the 2nd "tier". So yeh, that's acceptable nomenclature, but a tiny bit of critical thinking would suggest that the change in terms used is no accident. FA have to approve it and are currently 19 months into their ponderings with still no sign of a choice of model. FA board is responsible for how fast it happens. Pretty much this..... A few small hints dropped here and there about an announcement just before the Aleague launch... lets see?.
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+xBumping this again, because it's extraordinary that this article is 5 years old - written by the late Michael Cockerill! They were aiming for a start date of 2018. Yep, you heard that right. It soon became 2020, but COVID hit, so we could excuse that for a couple of years. I could have sworn I then heard 2022, but no, we are 75% through 2022. Doesn't really look like they could get it up for 2023, but I guess it's still possible. I think the reasons for the delay are two-fold: 1. an ongoing concern about the cost of running a national comp 2. various stakeholders putting forward conflicting models (and that includes stakeholders who arguably, should not really have a say in how the NSD is structured. The other cautionary part of this tale is that the FA has started referring to it as the 2nd "tier". So yeh, that's acceptable nomenclature, but a tiny bit of critical thinking would suggest that the change in terms used is no accident. FA have to approve it and are currently 19 months into their ponderings with still no sign of a choice of model. FA board is responsible for how fast it happens.
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Bumping this again, because it's extraordinary that this article is 5 years old - written by the late Michael Cockerill!
They were aiming for a start date of 2018. Yep, you heard that right.
It soon became 2020, but COVID hit, so we could excuse that for a couple of years.
I could have sworn I then heard 2022, but no, we are 75% through 2022.
Doesn't really look like they could get it up for 2023, but I guess it's still possible.
I think the reasons for the delay are two-fold:
1. an ongoing concern about the cost of running a national comp
2. various stakeholders putting forward conflicting models (and that includes stakeholders who arguably, should not really have a say in how the NSD is structured.
The other cautionary part of this tale is that the FA has started referring to it as the 2nd "tier". So yeh, that's acceptable nomenclature, but a tiny bit of critical thinking would suggest that the change in terms used is no accident.
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TBH in the bigger picture for our game period it just bleeds ignorance.......
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+xhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Aleague/comments/ws46m7/interesting_post_from_south_melbourne_in_regards/Hahahahah these plastics are so hilarious on Reddit. South advertised an EOI for junior coaches and all the munchers came out of the basement screaming about how we should never be let in because we think we are better than the franchises. Hahahahahahah their whiny little rants are so delicious.... There is one of them, a Navajo chief or something who's actually screen name is "fuck South Melbourne" hahahahahahahah It's a bit like the deep South of Amierica, blinded by racist rage.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Aleague/comments/ws46m7/interesting_post_from_south_melbourne_in_regards/Hahahahah these plastics are so hilarious on Reddit. South advertised an EOI for junior coaches and all the munchers came out of the basement screaming about how we should never be let in because we think we are better than the franchises. Hahahahahahah their whiny little rants are so delicious.... There is one of them, a Navajo chief or something who's actually screen name is "fuck South Melbourne" hahahahahahahah
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+xREading through that twitter discussion, most are confusing what looks like a one-off payment with annual operating costs. They are two different things, and they should not be confused at all. How much should such a one-off payment be worth? Well, how long is a piece of string? There is a risk that the FA looks at this as a bit of a money making venture. 12 x $750,000 = $9 million The FA aren't going to say no to a $9mill cash injection. Well, the two are connected. The whole point of providing a surety up front is to safeguard the whole competition against mid season failures that can pull the whole thing down. Think NSL days with all those 3-0 walkovers. If they can't afford the up front fee, they probably have to rethink their participation before they sign up. That said, FFA will need to negotiate on the fee if it turns out they're pitching too hard.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Have the geographical spread people actually looked at a population map of Australia? 1/3 of Australians live in Greater Sydney or Melbourne.
Half the places you dummies suggest can't even keep a team in the NPL and you think they'll last longer then a season in an NSD lol. 40% actually which means 60% of the population doesn't live in Sydney or Melbourne and those 60% have as much right as anyone else to be represented in the NSD. Looking at regional population centres the places that might be able to support a club are:- Queensland could have a club in Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast. New South Wales could have a club in Newcastle and Wollongong. ACT could have a club in Canberra. Victoria could have a club in Geelong. Tasmania could have a club in Hobart. Say 5 of them get up then there is the 5 mainland state capitals to share the remaining 7 or 9 spots in the competition. Geographical spread isn't a stupid idea at all in fact the opposite is the case if we want to grow the game across the whole country. His point is still valid. 40% concentrated in two cities is one thing, 60% spread across a whole continent is something else again. Anyway, this idea that a certain place "deserves" a team is actually part of the problem.In a full pyramid, the only team that deserves anything is whoever can earn it on the pitch. I take it then that you don't think that any clubs in Sydney or Melbourne deserve to be in the NSD because of the population concentration there. When you are starting a competition and there has been no opportunity for clubs to show football merit to win a spot then it is normal to accept bids that are in the best interests of the success of the competition. What constitutes "the best interest of the competition" needs to be transparent in the bid documents so everyone can shape their bid accordingly. Once the competition is up and running and P/R is in play then football merit along with the other requirements to obtain and hold a licence will decide who is promoted. Western United and Macarthur Rams are what you get when you try and geographically 'represent' an area. Friggin basket cases both of them. Despite Melbourne Storm being in the NRL for decades they are yet to even have a miniscule toehold in Victoria besides expat NSWelshman and Bananas going to their matches. Ditto taking the State of Origin and the Wallabies to places like Perth, Adelaide and Melbourne. Waste of time that has done nothing to grow the game and has simply denied fans the opportunity to see these matches in states where people actually play the game. My take is invite bidders and take the best 12, 14, 16 teams that meet the criteria and go from there. It's inevitable that the wealthier clubs are going to have a head start and they're going to be predominantly from major centres and so what?. Given all things being equal on paper between 2 competing bidders then maybe, MAYBE, think about geographical representation. No bidding Page 23 "Widest Feasible Geographic spread " & qualification through Competitive football matches 'bidding' as in meeting the minimum competition requirements with regards lighting, ground, financials to suport team, sponsorships, media etc and then selecting the best 'bidders' from them. Sorry , When you said bidding I thought you meant bidding. Meeting the licensing. criteria is a simple Yes or No, there is no Best Bid. This is fundamental to P&R. Once you meet the minimum criteria, the only bid you can make is on the park. As it should be. How do you get the fist 12 teams from all the different NPLs without "bidding" to/from within the AAFC? Fair question and one that will be the most challenging to answer fairly. The licencing criteria will (should) be fairly stringent so I am guessing it will automatically rule out 3/4 of the clubs in NPL as it stands... of the remaining 30 or 40 I reckon only half would be in any position (right now) to want to or be able to compete nationally. I think it will be something along the lines of allocating a geographically component to selection ie 3 from VIC, 3 from NSW, 2 x from SA, 2 x from QLD, 1 from WA, ACT, TAS and NNSW and then, based on applications, award the first seasons participation to the strongets clubs based on criteria... after that its dog eat dog........ happy days. Think what you like. The AAFC document is there and it clearly states you qualify by playing football. SMFC may think being 'the biggest' will get them in but they will need to change the AAFC partner groups stated aims in order to do so. They should perhaps spend the sponsorship cash on better players ? ...umm OK Nobody supports the AAFC and the wonderful work they have done so far more than me champ but when they become the football federation in this country and are tasked with setting up and administering this league then perhaps you can perhaps point to their WHITE PAPER PROPOSAL as your "source material" until then nobody outside of the FA has any idea what the selection process for the NST will be..... AAFC is a bunch of clubs, loby group if you will, wanting this to happen. /quote] Sure, FA can try and implement a different way on these clubs, or none at all. But until then this is the only NSD model proposal we know about. http://www.australianfootballclubs.org.au/uploads/9/8/8/1/9881717/aafc_nsd_final_report__22.02.22_.pdfBTW , I don't care if SMFC are 'the biggest' I only care that all teams earn their place on the field. Sorry if your fingers were burnt trying to buy yourselves a spot in the AL, but maybe its time to stop screaming racism every time you don't get your own way. Its not about getting my own way..... you are arguing against someone that agrees with you ffs...... listen to yourself. I don't want to be "granted" a spot at the NSD table either, I'd much rather compete for it... The point is to START IT.... There have to be 12 or 14 or 16 clubs in year one of this league yeah? The AAFC members are approx 30 something NPL clubs that got together and decided on a model they see as being achievable.. Some of those 30 clubs reason financially they can put their hand up to play nationally right now, others want to know what the league will look like and want to know what sort of changes they need to make to be able to get to a level that they can compete..... Outside the 15-20 AAFC clubs that want to start in 2023, there are another 150 odd NPL clubs who may want to be in it too but have been waiting, non committed on the sidelines for the FA ( not the AAFC, or South Melbourne Hellas or FTBL forumites) to release details of league structure and define what the application process will be... Could be 40 or 50 clubs that want to compete, how do you decide??? ....... . You don't care if SMFC are the biggest but you throw your jealous little jabs criticising a club whose ambitions exceeds the racist limitations imposed on it by a filthy apphartheid system . A system that is failing Australian soccer, the Socceroos, the Matildas, the grassroots, and everyone that loves the game. Thank God after 17 years, it is finally coming to an end. AAFC chairman Nick Galatas and original founding/steering committee chairman Tom Kalas were both South Melbourne FC board members first mate.... Where do you think the push for the second division comes from primarily? Blah Blah Blah Whoever you are, Win the NPL 1 round to go and 6 points clear of second. No NPL finals series thanks to the Silverlake cheque having bounced or something ..... now what?  Go the top of the queue As long as you meet the other criteria
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Have the geographical spread people actually looked at a population map of Australia? 1/3 of Australians live in Greater Sydney or Melbourne.
Half the places you dummies suggest can't even keep a team in the NPL and you think they'll last longer then a season in an NSD lol. 40% actually which means 60% of the population doesn't live in Sydney or Melbourne and those 60% have as much right as anyone else to be represented in the NSD. Looking at regional population centres the places that might be able to support a club are:- Queensland could have a club in Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast. New South Wales could have a club in Newcastle and Wollongong. ACT could have a club in Canberra. Victoria could have a club in Geelong. Tasmania could have a club in Hobart. Say 5 of them get up then there is the 5 mainland state capitals to share the remaining 7 or 9 spots in the competition. Geographical spread isn't a stupid idea at all in fact the opposite is the case if we want to grow the game across the whole country. His point is still valid. 40% concentrated in two cities is one thing, 60% spread across a whole continent is something else again. Anyway, this idea that a certain place "deserves" a team is actually part of the problem.In a full pyramid, the only team that deserves anything is whoever can earn it on the pitch. I take it then that you don't think that any clubs in Sydney or Melbourne deserve to be in the NSD because of the population concentration there. When you are starting a competition and there has been no opportunity for clubs to show football merit to win a spot then it is normal to accept bids that are in the best interests of the success of the competition. What constitutes "the best interest of the competition" needs to be transparent in the bid documents so everyone can shape their bid accordingly. Once the competition is up and running and P/R is in play then football merit along with the other requirements to obtain and hold a licence will decide who is promoted. Western United and Macarthur Rams are what you get when you try and geographically 'represent' an area. Friggin basket cases both of them. Despite Melbourne Storm being in the NRL for decades they are yet to even have a miniscule toehold in Victoria besides expat NSWelshman and Bananas going to their matches. Ditto taking the State of Origin and the Wallabies to places like Perth, Adelaide and Melbourne. Waste of time that has done nothing to grow the game and has simply denied fans the opportunity to see these matches in states where people actually play the game. My take is invite bidders and take the best 12, 14, 16 teams that meet the criteria and go from there. It's inevitable that the wealthier clubs are going to have a head start and they're going to be predominantly from major centres and so what?. Given all things being equal on paper between 2 competing bidders then maybe, MAYBE, think about geographical representation. No bidding Page 23 "Widest Feasible Geographic spread " & qualification through Competitive football matches 'bidding' as in meeting the minimum competition requirements with regards lighting, ground, financials to suport team, sponsorships, media etc and then selecting the best 'bidders' from them. Sorry , When you said bidding I thought you meant bidding. Meeting the licensing. criteria is a simple Yes or No, there is no Best Bid. This is fundamental to P&R. Once you meet the minimum criteria, the only bid you can make is on the park. As it should be. How do you get the fist 12 teams from all the different NPLs without "bidding" to/from within the AAFC? Fair question and one that will be the most challenging to answer fairly. The licencing criteria will (should) be fairly stringent so I am guessing it will automatically rule out 3/4 of the clubs in NPL as it stands... of the remaining 30 or 40 I reckon only half would be in any position (right now) to want to or be able to compete nationally. I think it will be something along the lines of allocating a geographically component to selection ie 3 from VIC, 3 from NSW, 2 x from SA, 2 x from QLD, 1 from WA, ACT, TAS and NNSW and then, based on applications, award the first seasons participation to the strongets clubs based on criteria... after that its dog eat dog........ happy days. Think what you like. The AAFC document is there and it clearly states you qualify by playing football. SMFC may think being 'the biggest' will get them in but they will need to change the AAFC partner groups stated aims in order to do so. They should perhaps spend the sponsorship cash on better players ? ...umm OK Nobody supports the AAFC and the wonderful work they have done so far more than me champ but when they become the football federation in this country and are tasked with setting up and administering this league then perhaps you can perhaps point to their WHITE PAPER PROPOSAL as your "source material" until then nobody outside of the FA has any idea what the selection process for the NST will be..... AAFC is a bunch of clubs, loby group if you will, wanting this to happen. /quote] Sure, FA can try and implement a different way on these clubs, or none at all. But until then this is the only NSD model proposal we know about. http://www.australianfootballclubs.org.au/uploads/9/8/8/1/9881717/aafc_nsd_final_report__22.02.22_.pdfBTW , I don't care if SMFC are 'the biggest' I only care that all teams earn their place on the field. Sorry if your fingers were burnt trying to buy yourselves a spot in the AL, but maybe its time to stop screaming racism every time you don't get your own way. Its not about getting my own way..... you are arguing against someone that agrees with you ffs...... listen to yourself. I don't want to be "granted" a spot at the NSD table either, I'd much rather compete for it... The point is to START IT.... There have to be 12 or 14 or 16 clubs in year one of this league yeah? The AAFC members are approx 30 something NPL clubs that got together and decided on a model they see as being achievable.. Some of those 30 clubs reason financially they can put their hand up to play nationally right now, others want to know what the league will look like and want to know what sort of changes they need to make to be able to get to a level that they can compete..... Outside the 15-20 AAFC clubs that want to start in 2023, there are another 150 odd NPL clubs who may want to be in it too but have been waiting, non committed on the sidelines for the FA ( not the AAFC, or South Melbourne Hellas or FTBL forumites) to release details of league structure and define what the application process will be... Could be 40 or 50 clubs that want to compete, how do you decide??? ....... . You don't care if SMFC are the biggest but you throw your jealous little jabs criticising a club whose ambitions exceeds the racist limitations imposed on it by a filthy apphartheid system . A system that is failing Australian soccer, the Socceroos, the Matildas, the grassroots, and everyone that loves the game. Thank God after 17 years, it is finally coming to an end. AAFC chairman Nick Galatas and original founding/steering committee chairman Tom Kalas were both South Melbourne FC board members first mate.... Where do you think the push for the second division comes from primarily? Blah Blah Blah Whoever you are, Win the NPL 1 round to go and 6 points clear of second. No NPL finals series thanks to the Silverlake cheque having bounced or something ..... now what?
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Personally Im not against a one off license fee of 750k. It aligns with the club licensing parameters JJ wants to implement and, if used as a "kitty" to market the league, possible financial bonus for performance etc etc could be a good pool of funds... Any new club promoted into the top tier would need to pay the 750K as well as have all other criteria in place before promotion...... not a bad thing in my books.
Anyway, the way I read it it is more the opening salvo of negotiations, will be plenty of back and forth before a figure is settled on I guess. At least it sort of seems like maybe something is happening.....
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