Do we have meetings friday and monday? Or just monday?

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What are you talking about

Any large, semi-professional sporting competition has hefty entrance fees, to pay for the administration and running of the league, that includes refs, administration, office space, part-time tribunal members, etc, etc.

"While not their priority, it remains a possibility for clubs unhappy with conditions in the NSW state-run league, including annual participation fees of about $100,000, the restructure of youth development systems and restrictions of player sale prices to A-League clubs."

There was also the report iirc that MKs said they pay $40 000 per year to the FFA.

I'm sure question will keep being asked why they can't just channel that money into a new league. $100 000 is a good start for clubs.

Surely people from Sydney come up with this. 

I think it was sarcasm mate.. you know the whole dandenong/casey will be the next wanderers crap..

No its not. Not even close. To be parammata you have to have infrastructure and history as an actual football heartland, not just allege to be one. 

I'm sorry what? Dandenong is the Paramatta of Melbourne brah

And also smaller regions like NNSW are happy for one club to represent them.

Hope not! 

we got enough issues with travel just on our own continent before adding any sheep lovers. 

Any club that does well on and off the field deserves a look into the A-league. A second division is a perfect chance to test interest, support and financial viability. There is a definite need to allow clubs the ability to build and grow, although automatic promotion and relegation would be a disaster. 

Any NZ clubs been invited over for these talks?

It would probably have more support considering Qld only has 12 NPL teams and over 30 have applied to join the new 2 tier system.

FFA under pressure from NPL clubs as FIFA backs plans for national second division

Bonnyrigg White Eagles are one of the teams pushing for a national second division.
Bonnyrigg White Eagles are one of the teams pushing for a national second division. Photo: Football NSW
Football Federation Australia is coming under increasing pressure to establish a national second division after FIFA threw its support behind a bid from National Premier League clubs to remodel the lower tiers of the game, with some clubs not ruling out a breakaway league.

More than two-thirds of the country's 129 NPL clubs have joined forces to establish the Association of Australian Football Clubs, which wants at least one seat at the expanded FFA Congress, as well as a national second division below the A-League.

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A meeting of representatives of more than 80 clubs will take place in Melbourne on Monday with the backing of FIFA, which is supporting their push for greater inclusion and influence in the game in Australia.

"Our association is not about trying to repair the past but focused on growing football for the future," AAFC spokesman Tom Kalas said.

APIA Leichhardt, Marconi, Bonnyrigg White Eagles and Sydney United are among the first NSW clubs to join the AAFC and are pushing for a national second division that will sit as the highest division above the existing state-run structures. Those leading the campaign from Victoria have held constructive talks with FFA's head of community football, Emma Highwood, about a proposed second tier and representation at the congress level.

The clubs' united push is for a sanctioned national competition that would not involve promotion and relegation in the immediate future to the A-League, but could serve as the basis in the future.

Several clubs are increasingly determined to be part of the national framework and, in a sign of their frustration, have not ruled out forming a rebel national league should FFA reject their proposal. While not their priority, it remains a possibility for clubs unhappy with conditions in the NSW state-run league, including annual participation fees of about $100,000, the restructure of youth development systems and restrictions of player sale prices to A-League clubs.

"It's a necessary evil to engage the disengaged," Sydney United president Sam Krslovic said. "We're hopeful that it won't be a rebel league. We're hoping that everyone will come on board and realise we're part of the family, but if the FFA won't help or endorse it, then what's the alternative? Let's not forget the EPL started as a breakaway league."

Any breakaway competition would not be sanctioned by FIFA, the Asian Football Confederation or FFA, meaning any players taking part would not be eligible to play for youth, women's or senior national teams and take part in other competitions, such as the FFA Cup. There would likely be further implications surrounding insurance.

An FFA spokesman said the governing body is seeking more information on the proposal from the AAFC.

"FFA has been in touch with the organisers of Monday's meeting and is keen to understand more about what any national NPL organisation would hope to achieve in the short, medium and long-term," the spokesman said. "It is important to note that NPL clubs are already at the core of the representation structures of member federations in the governance structure of Australian football."

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/ffa-under-pressure-from-npl-clubs-as-fifa-backs-plans-for-national-second-division-20170315-guyudr.html

Presumably because MF got banned

Or just fuck off permanently

Why don't you post as MF?

The only reason I could see if they saw it as part of a larger power struggle where they felt they were losing power and control.

Make no mistake that this second division cannot survive long term without the FFA's imprimatur.

I personally can't see why the FFA would be against a second tier (especially if they are not financially accountable). Promotion / relegation may be a way off (although if the second division comes along strong enough it may not be that "bad" to drop down). Also I'd say the number of A-League sides could be expanded first (so could even only allow teams that get promoted from the second tier to be relegated until licenses are up or the like for A-League clubs).

A-LEAGUE PROMOTION/ RELEGATION COULD MIRROR K-LEAGUE

This week on an administrative level, it reached a head as it was revealed a number of NPL clubs were looking to form a national second division after months of umming and ahhing from the powers that be at FFA Headquarters.

While some see this as a rebellious move by clubs within the member federations, the move to create a legitimate national second tier is not without merit, nor precedent.

The Australian footballing fraternity does not have to look too far abroad to find inspiration of just how a second division can be implemented on a national scale.

It was only in 2011, when Asian rivals South Korea were undergoing their own expansion and promotion/relegation debate.

The result of which is what is now known as the 'K-League Challenge' kicking off in 2013 with immediate promotion and relegation.

Initially this promotion and relegation consisted of a playoff between the bottom team of the top tier K-League and the champions of the K-League Challenge.


While the following season direct promotion and relegation was implemented for the champions and wooden spooners, one team from the now named 'K-League Classic' and three from the K-League Challenge still take part in pro/rel playoffs.

Does this mean we should have a national second division and promotion/relegation within two years? No.

But what it does show is that with meticulous planning - it took two years for Korean footballing dreams to come to fruition - it is possible.

Australian football is currently at fever pitch with recurring talk of expansion, promotion and relegation and growth.

With cautious optimism, Australian football can capitalise on this.

After all, the A-League faced its own challenges in its formative years with geographical isolation among teams and dithering crowds between teams amongst the main concerns of the fledgling new league.

If the FFA welcome the formation of a second division by these ‘rebel’ clubs, perhaps the gracious hand of the league carrier - currently QANTAS - could be stretched further to subsidise the costs of travel between long distance rivals.

Seperate from the A-League, it would not sully the quality we’ve came to expect from the national league and with prerequisites in place, eventual promotion to the A-League could also require certain benchmarks to be met to protect the product of the game.

This is a system used in some footballing leagues, including lower league football in England where if a team is not up to Football League standards, they will not be admitted into the Football League from non-league football.

Granted, this hasn’t happened in recent times, but the structures are in place to avoid teams crumbling into financial deficit.

With the AFC and FIFA leaning on Football Federation Australia to shake up the game, now would be the perfect opportunity to take the curveball that the NPL clubs have thrown and run for it.

Our Asian neighbours have proved it can be done, and with the passion from fans outside the top-tier of football in Australia, the drive to do so is already there.

http://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/analysis/a-league-promotion-relegation-could-mirror-k-league-454858

if dandenong is a part of melbourne then gosford and wollongong is a part of sydney.

you can add pine rivers and redlands numbers to brisbane then.

logan should get a team.  anyway, from the 2 division down it will be about letting the teams that already exist have an opportunity to enter the pyramid.  it wont be trying to carve up the country into population centres like the a-league.  

:Whistling:

Naughee

The next meeting is Friday?

Tell me about it

You mean, like having a Second Division where the winner gets promoted ?

Pine Rivers is in Moreton Bay so it'd make alot more sense pairing with them Redcliffe and Caboolture for a combined population of over 400k

Yeah, you can add Logan's 300k in there...plus they've already made some noise about having either an A-League club or at least a training base.

But for the rest:
Gosford can hardly support CCM let alone a second team
Dandenong region is part of Melbourne,
Redland City and Pine Rivers you may as well put under Brisbane
Albury Wodonga is less than 100k and for a small-ish regional town it's too far from any big city for an A2-League club to be feasible/viable IMO.

Any team going into the A League will need to meet criteria obviously and be viable. It's not realistic to expect any team from NPLA just to make the transition into A League just because they had a good year in the NPLA.

Some teams would be able to compete in the A league, but most won't be able to.