It's no closer to P&R, but there is a bit of good news out of the recent article.
There will be no youth teams in the 2nd tier (I noted JJ used the word "tier" again).
If that also means no A-League Reserves teams as well, then that's a pretty big step forward.
Of course, there is still a lot of mixed messaging about the timing.
All the planning is meant to be finalised by mid 2023, that seems to suggest it can't start in 2023 (unless it becomes a Summer comp).
But all in all, the A-League clubs have been stared down about one of their preferences, so we all have to accept that as positive news.

The two sticking points will tell who won the battle.

Must be winter - if its in summer, the APL has won the battle, and it will always be a poor second cousin to the A League.

Initially no APL youth teams - if they win promotion in their right, good on them, but no free tickets.

If we have a winter competition with promotion and relegation, it will be the premier Australian football competition within 5 years, and the A League will die a natural death. This is the fear of the APL, and who can blame them for fighting the existential battle they have on their hands as best they can.

To be fair you had covid which stopped the world for two years 

Would it make the a-league think twice with sticking around as an summer comp?

Hopefully they stick to their guns then

this thread is 5 years old and the league is no closer to p/r now, to back then .... the FA needs to go 

I think winter would be better. This would enable pro/rel with the NPL right away, and give football-starved fans over the long A-League off-season high-quality games to watch.

The problem comes when pro/rel between the A-League and the NSD is on the table. But the solution there is for the A-League also to move to winter.

 
All the quotes from NPL clubs indicate the opposite. The article specifically says that JJ has taken their views on things on board. 

The sticking point seems to be more the rumoured $750k licence fee. I can understand NPL clubs wanting to know what they are actually getting for that outlay. Is it just a bank guarantee to prove they won't go bust? Is it intended as an investment in the league (marketing, travel costs, etc.)? Or will the FA bank it to keep their balance-sheet positive?

And it would be a shame if the high fee pushes away clubs like Wollongong and GCU, and we end up just with cashed up Sydney and Melbourne sides. Perhaps some kind of contingency for regional-based clubs could be adopted.

I’m curious where it will be placed in the summer or winter? 

Something about how JJ measures his words seems to scream "won't be a single tier H/A format" to me. My money is he's trying to push a group stage format on the clubs.

A reply to the "A-League clubs will go bust if they get relegated" argument that circulates in online forums:

In 2004, 9 clubs were effectively "relegated" from the NSL, i.e. everyone except Perth Glory, Adelaide Utd, Newcastle and (kind of) Auckland Kingz, which morphed into NZ Knights. Of these 9 clubs, 7 survive to the present day: South Melbourne, Melbourne Knights, Sydney Olympic, Sydney United, Marconi, Wollongong Wolves and Brisbane Strikers. All except the Strikers (who now play in Queensland's second tier but were a state powerhouse until a couple of years ago) are in contention for spots in the NSD. 

Wolves and Strikers continued even though they were "non-ethnic" clubs that had been relatively recently founded (1980 and 1993, comparable to the length of time most A-League clubs have been around for). Even Northern Spirit continue in some form as NWS Spirit in NSW League One. Only Parramatta Power truly went defunct, because it was bankrolled by the NRL club and had no real support base. 

Of the other 29 clubs to participate in the NSL, 22 are still in operation, and 7 are defunct. The seven are Carlton SC, Canberra Cosmos, Newcastle Breakers, Collingwood Warriors, Footscray JUST, Newcastle KB United and Penrith City. Most were new entities that only lasted a couple of years (sometimes even less than that) before going bust, and most went bust while in the NSL, not after being demoted (Footscray being the exception here).

A list of other clubs that survived relegation/demotion from the NSL and continue to exist in the NPL pyramid today:
Adamstown Rosebud
Adelaide City
APIA Leichhardt
Blacktown City
Brisbane City
Brisbane Lions
Brunswick Juventus
Canberra City
Canterbury-Marrickville
Green Gully
Heidelberg United
Inter Monaro
Mooroolbark
Morwell Falcons (district league)
Parramatta Eagles
Preston Lions
St. George
Sunshine George Cross
Sydney City
West Adelaide
Western Suburbs (merged with APIA)
Wollongong United

During the A-League's history, three clubs have been demoted by having their license revoked (all after only a couple of seasons of playing in the A-League):
NZ Knights, had no further existence.
NQ Fury continued to exist for a while at state league level but was eventually brought down by the costs of travelling from Townsville to Brisbane for most of their away matches. They could be revived if the travel situation is resolved, or a potential owner wants to make a bid for an NSD slot.
Gold Coast United, regrouped and plays in the NPL today, and is a strong candidate for the NSD.

And this is clubs with much less resources at their disposal than current A-League clubs, and who had to drop down to state league level with no viable means of promotion back up to the tier. Apart from the two expansion sides, who have almost no fan base and could fail at any moment if their owners lose interest, I have every confidence that all ten established A-League clubs could withstand relegation to a national second division and push for promotion the following season. Some of their fanbase would naturally drop away, but the core would be likely to remain, and some might even be more engaged by pro/rel battles than if the team had nothing to play for. Anyone who's followed European football can recognise this.

Yeah ,  what   did  they  do , other   than   build   a   circa  half  a  Billion   dollar   professional    football   league  from  scratch   in   15   short   years ...

JJ has already decoupled the A League from the FA, if he happens to inject a NSD and completes the Transfer Fee economy, he will become the best most pro-active football CEO in Australian footballing history. Mind you his predecessors have set a low bar.

3 years tops?

https://www.espn.com.au/football/australian-a-league-men/story/4750649/football-australias-national-second-division-is-going-to-happen-in-2023-ceo-james-johnson

Goodnight ya old weirdo.

Without   conferences  and/or   tournament   format ?  

Yes but it's now going to be a consolidated national one instead of 7+ state based ones.

What's hard to get Tucker?

I'm half yanking your chain but it's funny that he sounds like an A-League club president already before the comp has started.

That  may   be   one  reason .

Not   unlike   the  NPL  ,  which  was   (and   currently  still  is )  the   "second   tier  competition " ...

Because its not linked to the Aleague ?
What did Lowy and Gallop refer to it as "those fuckin wogs and their shitty clubs will not survive another 15 years of this" perhaps?

I hope the criteria for entering this competition are a lot more fleshed out than for the Aleague... I would hate to have clubs trying to arrange home grounds around the country and at footy ovals :)

@Davide82

I  have   never   seen   nor   heard   JJ   ever   refer  to   it   in  any   interview   or   article  as   a  "National   Second  Division ". It' s   always   a   "second  tier   competition " .  Appears    very   deliberate.   I   wonder   why ??

I thought Nick's quotes are quite reasonable. Do you not agree that the purpose of the competition is to drive improvements at club level? I guess if you see his reference to "resources" as "dividends" or broadcast payments like for the franchises then yeah fair enough but a member's owned club doesn't need to make a profit remember... its all about growing the club. These clubs will be NFP sporting organizations, at least mostly.

Agreed, the crazy bastard actually looks like he may pull it off to everyone's satisfaction... One more year of NPL and then national football again...... can't wait.

So in conversation he can't refer to the competition as a competition in case Tucker here cottons on to the deeper meaning.
Wwg1wga

If   FA  had    decided   it   will  be   a  proper   National   Second  Division ,   why   wouldn' t   JJ   just   call   it   that?

Because he called it a comp?
That is one hell of a long bow even for you.

It really does sound like the potential 2nd div clubs are happy and that there won't be any reserve sides there.
It's the first time I have felt positive this can actually happen.

Nick Galatas Tweeted that the FFA 'has settled on an approach largely advocated by the clubs '

As there will not be pro/rel for quite a long time, calling this new level of football a second tier is quite accurate. In saying that though, if this gets going in 2023-24 Remote baby, we should then shed a tear together I feel my dear friend. Then again when WU build their training ground, they estimated it to be completed for the 2023-24 season as well. Will they just? stay tuned!