if you look at the example I linked why couldnt you have kets say 5 boxes top and bottom with advertising? So you have to watch on full screen. 

Not the end of the world.

I only said YouTube because it's far more reliable.

I agree. 

I was refering to the sponsorship

hahahahahhaahahahahahahhahaha yeah argentina primera division do this

Friday we get an update on the situation. The NPL clubs hold another meeting. Would be scenes. Really hope we see some action in this one.

It seems like the common thinking for the second tier league is that if it should only consist of Eastern Australian clubs or if there were two conferences it should be East Vs West, but I thought why should Perth miss out and why don't we look at North Vs South? Split the two major cities, one on each conference! This will bring the cost down dramatically down too because it's a LOT cheaper flying into one of the two major Australian cities (where most clubs will probably be based). At the end of the season we could have a H&A "Grand Final" between the two A2-League clubs who have finished on top of their conference (the Premiers) to crown the A2-League Champion.

IF there was also to be an A3-League the two Premiers of the A3-League are promoted to the A2 in their respective conferences with the bottom placed clubs of the A2-League relegated to their respective A3-League conference.

Looking at the North Vs South conference population breakdown of  major cities/towns which could host an A2 or A3 (minimum 100k pop.) it's a lot more even then going for East Vs West conferences.
Population of Major Southern Cities which could host A2 or A3 clubs = 8.64m
Melbourne: 4.53m
Perth: 2.04m
Adelaide: 1.32m
Hobart: 0.22m
Geelong: 0.23m
Ballarat: 0.10m
Bendigo: 0.10m
Launceston: 0.10m

Population of Major Northern Cities which could host A2 or A3 clubs = 9.92m
Sydney: 5.00m
Brisbane: 2.31m
Gold Coast: 0.56m
Canberra: 0.43m
Newcastle: 0.31m
Sunshine Coast: 0.31m
Wollongong: 0.30m
Ipswich: 0.20m
Townsville: 0.18m
Cairns: 0.15m
Darwin: 0.17m

I would even recommend that there be an odd number of clubs in each conference, i.e. 11 or 13 so there are 20 or 24 matches and each club gets 2 byes to give them a rest or a week off  from travelling if you like.

Promotion before relegation2016-10-18 | by Rabieh Krayemback

Like any football fan, I’m as keen as mustard for two things: expansion of the A-League and promotion and relegation.But, as a Chairman of an NPL club which was previously in the A-League, I also have empathy with the A-League Chairmen and CEOs when they say they can’t afford for their investment in the A-League to be compromised by possible relegation.I can understand that. Over the 11 seasons of the A-League, the combined losses of the A-League clubs – excluding NZ Knights, Gold Coast United and North Queensland Fury – must be in the vicinity of between $200 million and $325 million. While all of the today’s A-League owners are in the ‘millionaire’ class, that is not the same as being a ‘billionaire’ and those are big losses to incur and write-off, especially when there are mouths to feed, businesses to keep afloat and families to support.

Unfortunately, the reluctance of the A-League owners is reinforced by an FFA Board that, being mostly comprised of non-footballing bean-counters, is not known for making football decisions.

But sometimes in football, as in business and in life, you have to take an acceptable risk.And this is what I think could be one such acceptable risk.

Instead of promotion/relegation, let’s start with promotion only.We establish a Second Division comprised of, say, 20 NPL clubs that aspire to something bigger and better as long as they meet specific criteria. The only pre-determined outcome of the 20 clubs is that there is at least one from each state and territory and at least five of them be from regional Australia.At the end of season 1, the top two placed teams are promoted to the A-League. No relegation takes place – just promotion.

That has the advantage of not only making the new Second Division meaningful, but also expanding the A-League which I believe is desperately needed. If one of the two top-placed teams don’t wish to advance to the A-League then it can be offered to the third-placed team.At the end of season 2, the same thing happens – but this time only the top team advances to the A-League. This continues until the end of the fifth season at which time there are 16 teams in the A-League.  In the meantime, the Second Division would not have teams replaced until season 4 to ensure that it also has 16 teams by the end of year 5.

The existing NPL competition could continue as it is, as a de facto Third Division, with the two grand finalists earning promotion to Second Division after the fifth season also.

From season 6, full promotion and relegation can be introduced across the A-League, the B-League and the national NPL competition.
What is the benefit of this?

1. It expands the A-League gradually and naturally with clubs that already exist.
2. It introduces a meaningful Second Division.
3. It introduces promotion.
4. It gives the existing ten A-League clubs a guaranteed five more years – and a massive head-start!
5. It gives a timeframe and lead-time for the introduction of full promotion and relegation.
6. And in language that I know the FFA and its Board are focused on – it gives more content for the next television deal.

Sometimes big, bold decisions have to be made.

The FFA can talk up the first two rounds of the A-League as much as he can – and good on them – but, at the end of the day, television networks will also be looking at matches such as last Sunday’s game between Newcastle and Brisbane as much as the Sydney and Melbourne derbies, and counting up how many hours of content the game can provide.

Is there a cost to this?Of course there is. But I’d make five points.

First, FFA are getting $5 million from FIFA each year, at least until 2019 while Gianni Infantino is President, that they hadn’t previously budgeted on.

Second, the FFA also needs to review its cost structure and look at their own backyard to get greater savings. For example, based on the cost structure in their last annual report (less Asian Cup costs), a 5% across-the-board saving would realise $5.23 million to contribute to this activity.

Third, there are many NPL clubs who are willing, able and have the financial capacity to be part of this now.

Fourth, there’s the old maxim that sometimes you have to spend money to make money.

I think that’s where the game is at. It’s all very well to have fun marketing campaigns that enthuse the already-enthusiastic supporters, but not everybody has a team because there is no team (literally), and we need to broaden the national footprint. (On that note, Yoshi – come visit us in Townsville!)Finally, there may even be a sponsor out there who’s willing to support such an initiative. For example, without putting the heat on the City Football Group, doesn’t the ‘Etihad Australian B-League’ sound okay to you? As an example of the potential for sponsorship, we at Northern Fury put in a submission to include our women’s team in the Women’s NPL competition from 2017. We were asked by Football Queensland to contribute $35,000 towards the travel costs. The first sponsor we spoke to offered to contribute $50,000! (We’re waiting to hear whether our bid is successful, but of course it should be if FQ is serious about women’s football and regional football!).

In summary, my plan is:

• Let’s establish a Second Division of 20 teams.
• Let’s promote top two teams from Second Division to A-League at end of year 1; and one team thereafter for another four years to take the A-League to 16 teams.
• Let’s replace the promoted team from the Second Division at the end of year 3 to maintain it at 16 teams.
• Let’s introduce promotion and relegation from year 6.
• Let’s use the existing NPL competition as a Third Division with the two grand finalists promoted to the Second Division from the end of year 6.

Having talked to owners, CEOs and club executives in the A-League and NPL, I think this is do-able.It would give clubs something to aspire to; young players something to aspire to; and it would be an enormous boost to football in Australia that no other code could offer.It’s a five year plan that would see a Second Division, an NPL-based Third Division, and promotion and relegation with the A-League with effect from the 2022-23 season.What’s stopping us?

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See part 2 on 8 criteria for introducing expansion here. Feel free to share your thoughts via @NthFuryFC and @myfootballtoday.Rabieh Krayem is Chairman of Northern Fury FC . His previous positions include General Manager of Cronulla Leagues Club, CEO of North Queensland Cowboys and CEO of North Queensland Fury.  He is the Managing Director of a human resources solutions and consulting business and is on the Board of Stadiums Queensland. 

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THE FFA GET  5 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR FROM FIFA ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS!!! WHERE IS THIS MONEY BEING SPENT FS!!!

Sorry I posted over your post.

Straight to Yoshi m8

-PB

logan has 300k+
albury wodonga must be about 100k
also dandenong region
gosford region
redlands (east of brisbane has 150k)
pine rivers has 150k

Got 2 av a team dab

Is that the $5m pa for 4 years that was tied to specific things that is about to run out or is it part of Infantino's election promises?

Im not sure if is tied but it was installed before Infantino. 

Thanks.  I'll chase it through and see if I can find the details.  I'm interested in how Infantino will deliver on his promise to reallocate more of FIFA's funds to the Member Associations.  Every dollar counts.

The FIFA allocation I was thinking of turned out on further investigation to be from the GOAL Project and was US$500k pa for 2 years for women's and girl's football.

Evidently FIFA also used to run a FAP program and I think this is the one Infantino is rejigging and increasing.  Figures in $US for 2012-15 for Australia's FAP spending was:-

"Australia, which has risen to 5th on the FIFA rankings on the back of its unprecedented success at the last Women’s World Cup, and is considered a good medal chance in Rio - allocated the second most to women’s football in that period: $US750,000."

and:-

"*** The rest of Australia’s FAP money was allocated to youth football ($US625,000) and the men’s game ($US425,000). No money was budgeted in other categories, such as refereeing, infrastructure, medical, marketing and event management."

http://www.sbs.com.au/topics/zela/article/2016/08/02/show-me-fifa-funding-assistance-program-money

Infantino promised $5m over 4 years for each MA for football development purposes which I don't think has come through yet.

http://grenadasports.gd/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Gianni-Infantino-Manifesto.pdf

I'm unsure about them, though one wouldn't be suprised if they didn't join.

Its interesting that they were in the forefront of the 1957 changes that eventually saw a new Federation in each state established and a new national body.  The meeting that kicked it off was held in their President's home.

Gotta have some form of Lowy influence in this bunch of rebellious rabble.

-PB

Will the FFA make it a free for all, just let 20 clubs dukes it out to win those next two spots in the A-League?  Leave it all wide open, all to lady luck.

It's really, really hard to imagine the FFA doing something like that.

Any team going into the A League will need to meet criteria obviously and be viable. It's not realistic to expect any team from NPLA just to make the transition into A League just because they had a good year in the NPLA.

Some teams would be able to compete in the A league, but most won't be able to. 

Yeah, you can add Logan's 300k in there...plus they've already made some noise about having either an A-League club or at least a training base.

But for the rest:
Gosford can hardly support CCM let alone a second team
Dandenong region is part of Melbourne,
Redland City and Pine Rivers you may as well put under Brisbane
Albury Wodonga is less than 100k and for a small-ish regional town it's too far from any big city for an A2-League club to be feasible/viable IMO.

Pine Rivers is in Moreton Bay so it'd make alot more sense pairing with them Redcliffe and Caboolture for a combined population of over 400k

You mean, like having a Second Division where the winner gets promoted ?

Tell me about it

The next meeting is Friday?

Naughee

:Whistling:

if dandenong is a part of melbourne then gosford and wollongong is a part of sydney.

you can add pine rivers and redlands numbers to brisbane then.

logan should get a team.  anyway, from the 2 division down it will be about letting the teams that already exist have an opportunity to enter the pyramid.  it wont be trying to carve up the country into population centres like the a-league.