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+x+x+x+x+xArzani has played 13 A-League games in his career, averaging less than ten minutes per game this season. Not talking him down at all, but if we're talking about capping him we should be talking about capping Pasquali first. Who made how many senior A-League appearances for MV? He's been at Ajax for a while now. You must know what reply is coming.... Where he has made how many senior appearances? I have high hopes for him too but I think we have done our dash of promoting youth footballers (especially now Ange has gone). Sure, but my initial point was that you can't put Arzani above him, not that he should be capped. Pasquali would surely have made many more appearances had he stayed at Victory, no doubt. Once Pasquali becomes a regular in the reserves I see no reason not to consider him
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Davide82
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+x+x+x+x+xArzani has played 13 A-League games in his career, averaging less than ten minutes per game this season. Not talking him down at all, but if we're talking about capping him we should be talking about capping Pasquali first. Who made how many senior A-League appearances for MV? He's been at Ajax for a while now. You must know what reply is coming.... Where he has made how many senior appearances? I have high hopes for him too but I think we have done our dash of promoting youth footballers (especially now Ange has gone). Sure, but my initial point was that you can't put Arzani above him, not that he should be capped. Pasquali would surely have made many more appearances had he stayed at Victory, no doubt. Fair enough and if Pasquali had stayed he possibly would have been mentioned too. I don't think Arzani is ready either by the way and I realise Ajax is a great place to develop. I just think a coach will always look at someone playing senior football over youth football and probably for good reason I guess
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xArzani isn't going to be starting at the world cup, nor is he good enough yet either. Madness to start him ahead of Kruse and Rogic Kruse, maybe. Rogic... was it you who said it is unlikely that Rogic will start given his work-rate? We need to have outlets to score and we need to be able to draw their attention adequately when we do have the ball so as to make them reset their defence when they don't have possession. That's a key component in damage limitation. If they can spend 90 minutes attacking without any risk of conceding, that puts them in a good position to flog us. To that end, Rogic or Arzani would be useful. I agree with Scott that the first game is about defence first and foremost. Hence the line-up I suggested above as something in keeping with the BVM philosophy and which would offer something in attack. The other thing is I reckon Arzani's presence makes Mooy better. It gives him far more to work with. Maybe not than Kruse, but definitely more to work with than Rogic. Arzani's workrate at the moment is just as bad as Rogic. He's not close to being NT ready, absolutely moot point discussing whether he is competing for starting spots when he'll be lucky to make the squad. Moot point or not, imo, the discussion is merited if considering whether the footballer brings something to the side. You're most welcome to disagree with the proposition that the footballer does bring anything much. But that's worth discussing, at any rate. Imo, pragmatism is a two-way street. For too much of the qualification campaign, Ange veered too much in the direction of all-out attack and didn't consider a more balanced approach. His words in the recent interview would seem to attest to the psychology of that; he thought of it in extremes. But you can go too far the other way, also. In an ideal world, we'd have a starting line-up of eleven footballers all with excellent work rates and defensive ability. But you need an outlet of attack. As long as most of the side are defensively strong, you can afford one or two in the attacking third who aren't so good defensively. And it's a sensible trade-off which can enhance the overall defensive strategy. Without Rogic or Arzani, the only real route to goal is Cahill. And it blunts Mooy's effectiveness, imo. Personally, I reckon the most pragmatic thing is to make sure the midfield triangle are decent defensively (by going with Mooy, Jedinak and Irvine). Then you take a bit of a gamble on the right-wing with a footballer with some attacking ability and something which Mooy can work with. Arzani is still behind plenty of Aussie footballers in terms of being an attacking outlet. He isn't ready yet, not even close. How many senior Aussie footballers are strong in 1 vs 1? Nathan Burns, but everyone seems to not rate him. I rate him. I had him in a bunch of my starting line-ups during the various phases of the qualification campaign. I wouldn't be averse to Nathan Burns going to Russia. It's just that he has dropped of the radar somewhat.
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if arzani plays 60 minutes a game for the rest of the season and acl then sure he is a bolter but he has to meet that standard
this isn't 2010 where we we urgently need to sacrifice short term results for long term gain
we have a more steady talent production
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+xif arzani plays 60 minutes a game for the rest of the season and acl then sure he is a bolter but he has to meet that standard this isn't 2010 where we we urgently need to sacrifice short term results for long term gain we have a more steady talent production Not across the park, we don't. Arzani's name is being mentioned because his skills and attributes are sorely missed. We have three problem positions; right back, striker and attacking midfielder with 1 vs 1 ability. There is no depth in those areas for the NT. For the latter two, this is really evidenced by our reliance on Timmy, the fact we struggle to break down opponents and the fact that we will go many matches without scoring from open play. That's why Arzani is necessary. It may seem to be setting the bar low, but it's necessary. Sometimes (educated) gambles are necessary.
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+xif arzani plays 60 minutes a game for the rest of the season and acl then sure he is a bolter but he has to meet that standard this isn't 2010 where we we urgently need to sacrifice short term results for long term gain we have a more steady talent production If he keeps it up and improves through the rest of this season, then he legitimately might be a chance but he is still ways off.
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City Sam
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+x+xif arzani plays 60 minutes a game for the rest of the season and acl then sure he is a bolter but he has to meet that standard this isn't 2010 where we we urgently need to sacrifice short term results for long term gain we have a more steady talent production Not across the park, we don't. Arzani's name is being mentioned because his skills and attributes are sorely missed. We have three problem positions; right back, striker and attacking midfielder with 1 vs 1 ability. There is no depth in those areas for the NT. For the latter two, this is really evidenced by our reliance on Timmy, the fact we struggle to break down opponents and the fact that we will go many matches without scoring from open play. That's why Arzani is necessary. It may seem to be setting the bar low, but it's necessary. Sometimes (educated) gambles are necessary. Scrap attacking midfielder with 1v1 ability and change it to the entire squad needs some more technical ability period.
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+x+x+xif arzani plays 60 minutes a game for the rest of the season and acl then sure he is a bolter but he has to meet that standard this isn't 2010 where we we urgently need to sacrifice short term results for long term gain we have a more steady talent production Not across the park, we don't. Arzani's name is being mentioned because his skills and attributes are sorely missed. We have three problem positions; right back, striker and attacking midfielder with 1 vs 1 ability. There is no depth in those areas for the NT. For the latter two, this is really evidenced by our reliance on Timmy, the fact we struggle to break down opponents and the fact that we will go many matches without scoring from open play. That's why Arzani is necessary. It may seem to be setting the bar low, but it's necessary. Sometimes (educated) gambles are necessary. Scrap attacking midfielder with 1v1 ability and change it to the entire squad needs some more technical ability period. That would be nice. But I don't get too panicky when Sains, Mooy, Rogic, Kruse (in parts) or Irvine is on the ball. We haven't got Andrea Pirlo, sure. But some of them are decent. Trouble is that in some areas, they're like a Sunday league side.
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If arzani is a young Bolter in the front third and De silva a young bolter in the middle...
Who is the young bolter at the back?
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City Sam
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+xIf arzani is a young Bolter in the front third and De silva a young bolter in the middle...Who is the young bolter at the back? Would have been Atkinson before that horrible injury.
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Yeah Atkinson, for sure.
Cowburn was quite good with the olyroos and Deng also has a lot of potential at right back (not CB). Kid has an extremely high work rate.
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+x+xIf arzani is a young Bolter in the front third and De silva a young bolter in the middle...Who is the young bolter at the back? Would have been Atkinson before that horrible injury. Agree. Supposedly a central midfielder by trade but ive been really impressed by him at right back
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Can't see the article but that's pretty cheeky of him if he said it
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One way of getting himself selected for Australia sooner rather than later. Good move by his agent to "suggest" he may play for Iran.
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+xOne way of getting himself selected for Australia sooner rather than later. Good move by his agent to "suggest" he may play for Iran. That's what I mean by cheeky Maybe Joyce is right.........
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Anyway, it would be seemingly an insane decision to choose Iran. Really can't see it.
I half understand a kid that has a chance to play for a decent European team as it is good for their career and they will play lots of A-grade/glamour internationals.
I also understand someone choosing to play for Indonesia or something if they are 26 and will never be picked for Australia.
But why would you choose to play for a country in the same federation who are no more likely to make world cups/Asian cups or do well in them.
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Early wc squad going for 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 with two for each position
4 center backs: Sainsbury, Jurman, Ansell, Milligan
2 left backs: Behich, Gersbach
2 Right backs: Wright, Degenek
3 DMs: Jedi, Mooy, Dougall
3 CAMs: Luongo, Irvine, Rogic
2 Strikers: Cahill Juric
4 Wingers: Leckie, Kruse, Petratos, Golgol
Its pretty hard to break into that team but you also have risdon, meredith, wilkinson, both o'neills, Ryan grant (if he returns), brilliante, zullo, Mabil, Taggart, and Maclaren all possibilities
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Options
GK
Ryan, Vukovic, Langerak, Birighitti, Jones, Izzo, Federici
CB
Sainsbury, Williams, Spiranovic, Jurman, Wilkinson, McGowan, Burgess, Ansell
RB
Wright, Degenek, Risdon, Geria, Grant, Jones
LB
Behich, Gersbach, Meredith, Elder, Smith
DM
Jedinak, Milligan, Brillante, O'Neill, Dougall
CM
Mooy, Irvine, Luongo, Amini, Jeggo
W
Leckie, Kruse, Mabil, Goodwin, Oar, Burns, Arzani
AM
Rogic, Petratos, DeSilva, Pasquali, Troisi
S
Juric, Cahill, Rukavytsa, Mebrahtu, Maclaren, Nabbout, Carter
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i wonder if we will see a dutch bias and see players like holman, wilkshire, jone, goodwin, dougall and davidson promoted
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Real shame spiranovic didnt manage a move over the course of the window. I cant help but feel with the new manager that has all but ruled him out of the cup. One of our greatest wasted talents
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+xi wonder if we will see a dutch bias and see players like holman, wilkshire, jone, goodwin, dougall and davidson promoted Given our lack of strikers a fit Holman could be handy. Plays direct, can take players, not afraid to show, high energy and has a bit of mongrel .Not like we are have a star studded list of strikers to choose from
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+x+xi wonder if we will see a dutch bias and see players like holman, wilkshire, jone, goodwin, dougall and davidson promoted Given our lack of strikers a fit Holman could be handy. Plays direct, can take players, not afraid to show, high energy and has a bit of mongrel .Not like we are have a star studded list of strikers to choose from Sorry -take on players, not afraid to shoot
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+x+x+xi wonder if we will see a dutch bias and see players like holman, wilkshire, jone, goodwin, dougall and davidson promoted Given our lack of strikers a fit Holman could be handy. Plays direct, can take players, not afraid to show, high energy and has a bit of mongrel .Not like we are have a star studded list of strikers to choose from Sorry -take on players, not afraid to shoot holman at 9 isn't the worst idea ive ever heard especialy if he can press like he used to
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Jordan Elsey without any doubt for me should be our back four bolter.
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+xReal shame spiranovic didnt manage a move over the course of the window. I cant help but feel with the new manager that has all but ruled him out of the cup. One of our greatest wasted talents Speculating of course but I suspect he couldn't get a move to a better league and stay on the wages he's on. As much as the WC would be attractive, if it came at massive financial cost thats a big decision given there is no guarantee he'd break back in. Agree though. Shame to see him rotting in CSL2 (albeit very comfortably).
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+x+x+x+xi wonder if we will see a dutch bias and see players like holman, wilkshire, jone, goodwin, dougall and davidson promoted Given our lack of strikers a fit Holman could be handy. Plays direct, can take players, not afraid to show, high energy and has a bit of mongrel .Not like we are have a star studded list of strikers to choose from Sorry -take on players, not afraid to shoot holman at 9 isn't the worst idea ive ever heard especialy if he can press like he used to He cannot.
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Socceroos to reach out to young gun Arzani Image 1/ Video 1/ Audio Socceroos staffers will reach out to rising Melbourne City star Daniel Arzani as he mulls his international future. 1 Feb 2018 - 6:15 PM UPDATED 3 HOURS AGO But Football Federation Australia's head of national teams Luke Casserly says it will be disappointing if Arzani chooses to represent Iran over Australia. Arzani, 19, has lit up the A-League over the past two months but says he has no idea which national team he wants to play for. Born in Iran but raised in Sydney, Arzani has represented Australia at under-17, under-20 and under-23 level and came through FFA's now-shuttered Centre of Excellence at the AIS. FFA set to fast-track Arnold’s appointment as Socceroos post-World Cup kingpin Football Federation Australia is expected to move swiftly on from the unveiling of short-term Socceroos coach Bert van Marwijk to official confirmation of Graham Arnold as the nation’s long-term solution, with an announcement possibly as early as next week. However, reports indicate Iran are tracking his progress and could entice him to change loyalties with a spot in their World Cup squad. "To be honest, I haven't really thought about it at all," Arzani told reporters on Thursday. "I'd have to talk to my parents, I'd have to talk to my father and we'd have to decide together. "I've got no idea." Sydney FC coach Graham Arnold said last week that Arzani was pushing himself into Australia's World Cup calculations since emerging as City's new attacking spark. Socceroos coach Bert van Marwijk was careful not to single out any players for attention when he fronted the media in Sydney on Thursday - but there's little doubt Arzani will soon come to his attention as he casts an eye over the A-League in the coming weeks. Van Marwijk to coach Socceroos his way New Socceroos coach Bert van Marwijk is confident Australia can "survive" their 2018 FIFA World Cup group and is adamant he will have the team play his style to get there. Casserly, who helped orchestrate van Marwijk's deal, said he was keen to see Arzani stay in the green and gold. "We've invested a fair bit in him over the years," Casserly told AAP. "It would be disappointing if he was to change allegiances. But, as always, it's the decision of the individual." Arzani, who has been named the January nominee for the A-League's young player of the year award, said he was taking all the extra attention - on-field and off - in his stride. "A lot of the things we're talking about now, they wouldn't even be talked about if I wasn't doing well," he said. "I've got to continue doing well to have any chance of being in the World Cup squad or achieving anything, really." https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2018/02/01/socceroos-reach-out-young-gun-arzani-0
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helped orchestrate van Marwijk's deal, said he was keen to see Arzani stay in the green and gold.
"We've invested a fair bit in him over the years," Casserly told AAP.
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Is this the same program they canned?
Don't like the statement regardless.
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If he said 'survive', I'm quite happy with that choice of language.
I don't think there's any need to sugarcoat it. We have been diabolically bad and very lucky even to make it to Russia. So the notion of going out there and outgunning France, for example, is akin to the notion of Churchill trying to launch D-Day in 1940. Patently absurd.
But anything can happen in 90 minutes of football. The Socceroos don't need to outgun their opponents with pretty football (as we, currently, haven't the resources). But we can get the results necessary to get out of the group (even though I hold no expectations of such). And from there, indeed in any match, you can beat any side on the day.
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