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Penalty wasn't there for sure but we got the rub of the green in the last match when Thailand had a clear penalty turned down. Fact of the matter is that Ange simply hasn't got a lot to play with. Not really his responsibility when supposed 'international' standard players can't trap a ball, can't make a basic pass, can't cross, can't finish basic chances, look cumbersome and lost on the field....... apart from Mooy the rest of the squad is sub standard. Not a good sign that there seems to be so many changes to the team from game to game at this stage of qualification. The last 2 matches have been completely embarrassing against such weak opponents. Struggling to put away Thailand and Syria!! Massive danger signs.
I honestly don't think we are going to qualify.
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+x+x+xJesus christ the complaints about the ethnicity of the referee. We played like dog shit. Drew against a country that doesn't even exist right now lol. Saw the equalizer coming a mile away. because war in iraq made them so much easier to play in 07...... Yeah sick. We have no business playing like this against poor opposition. Sorry. Excuses were coming out before the match. Complaining about the pitch pre game now referees post game. Fuck me. Country full of whingers. We played terrible. Draw was a fair result. Great we will pump them at home.. but I fear the matches to come in the intercontinental play off. So many excuses during this campaign sick of it. No wonder we are struggling. Agree this country has got a large problem with this victim mentality in all sports not just football, we have to move beyond this if we want to progress forward. Anyway we will get the job on Tuesday.
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+xI often wonder if the people who constantly underestimate these teams and the conditions etc have watched much international football outside the Socceroos/world cups. I grew up watching Italy and saw MANY a hard slog or horrible draws and shock losses against teams "they should smash". It's not like watching Barca/Chelsea/Bayern/Blah play against minnows in the champions league. International football is a fight and a slog. As a side note, I was pleased to see us pick up some professional foul yellows to stop counter attacks for once instead of just letting them past. That last half hour from Syria was as much sheer willpower as it was tactics (we did lose all shape with subs though). Yep but not this time, we got screwed by the dodgy time they decided to do the seeding (after a few games into the Euro qualifiers). But on the other us (Australia), we don't really slog things out enough like Italy do. It's all one tempo, play the ball quick try and play through. When a team is squeezing up, monstering us in midfield, getting turnovers and putting us under pressure I'd love to see us slow the game down a bit and maybe use the fact we have fast wingers and let them try and run onto a few.
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+xPenalty wasn't there for sure but we got the rub of the green in the last match when Thailand had a clear penalty turned down. Fact of the matter is that Ange simply hasn't got a lot to play with. Not really his responsibility when supposed 'international' standard players can't trap a ball, can't make a basic pass, can't cross, can't finish basic chances, look cumbersome and lost on the field....... apart from Mooy the rest of the squad is sub standard. Not a good sign that there seems to be so many changes to the team from game to game at this stage of qualification. The last 2 matches have been completely embarrassing against such weak opponents. Struggling to put away Thailand and Syria!! Massive danger signs.I honestly don't think we are going to qualify. :D:D:D at the idea we had the rub of the green against thailand we had 45 shots and hit the post how many times?
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+x+x+xJesus christ the complaints about the ethnicity of the referee. We played like dog shit. Drew against a country that doesn't even exist right now lol. Saw the equalizer coming a mile away. Its not an excuse. We played terribly... but weve also had some terrible luck. The choice of the referee however is poor, surely a smart confederation wouldn't take the risk of it panning out the way it almost always seems to. Just don't take the risk and then theres no issue, considering there are better refs in uzbekistan, japan, korea.. even china. Sound like the Uruguay coach in 2005 complaining about the Belgian referee saying he will side with hiddink because he is Dutch. I get what you are saying mate but we shouldn't be putting ourselves in the position to complain about referees. I totally get that we put ourselves in this situation but we a also have an opposition that is trying to stop us from winning also. The AFC don't have an excuse in not putting an entirely unbiased referee in change, there are plenty of options. They have the resources to see the teams, the managers etc and think let's makes this black and white, lets go to a region that has a sufficiently qualified ref that doesnt have any kind of relationship to the two teams. In any sense. For those that say this stuff doesn't happen... it does... all of the time. As for the pen... yep typical west asian style penalty, meanwhile Australias back room staff are still searching the pitch for the remains of milligans legs. We will get them in the second leg... but central American will be a different story.
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+x+x+x+xJesus christ the complaints about the ethnicity of the referee. We played like dog shit. Drew against a country that doesn't even exist right now lol. Saw the equalizer coming a mile away. Its not an excuse. We played terribly... but weve also had some terrible luck. The choice of the referee however is poor, surely a smart confederation wouldn't take the risk of it panning out the way it almost always seems to. Just don't take the risk and then theres no issue, considering there are better refs in uzbekistan, japan, korea.. even china. Sound like the Uruguay coach in 2005 complaining about the Belgian referee saying he will side with hiddink because he is Dutch. I get what you are saying mate but we shouldn't be putting ourselves in the position to complain about referees. I totally get that we put ourselves in this situation but we a also have an opposition that is trying to stop us from winning also. The AFC don't have an excuse in not putting an entirely unbiased referee in change, there are plenty of options. They have the resources to see the teams, the managers etc and think let's makes this black and white, lets go to a region that has a sufficiently qualified ref that doesnt have any kind of relationship to the two teams. In any sense. For those that say this stuff doesn't happen... it does... all of the time. As for the pen... yep typical west asian style penalty, meanwhile Australias back room staff are still searching the pitch for the remains of milligans legs. We will get them in the second leg... but central American will be a different story. if we get there it will be interesting to see how strong the fourth place concacaf team its (assuming its not usa)
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Just play a 442 ffs. EDIT: And learn how to clear your lines ffs. Nothing wrong with bombing it up when you're under pressure. This need for playing out of the back will end us. -PB
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Just need 0:0 draw as per away goal rule.
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Funny thing is I thought we WERE more direct and trying to get in behind quickly more than we have for ages.....for an hour.
Somehow it seemed like the plan to close up shop after that involved going back to what put us in this position in the first place.
It was strange and I do put this one on Ange. Sometimes a coach can't entirely be blamed if a team has 47 shots and scores 2 but this game turned on the subs.
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+x+x+x+x+xJesus christ the complaints about the ethnicity of the referee. We played like dog shit. Drew against a country that doesn't even exist right now lol. Saw the equalizer coming a mile away. Its not an excuse. We played terribly... but weve also had some terrible luck. The choice of the referee however is poor, surely a smart confederation wouldn't take the risk of it panning out the way it almost always seems to. Just don't take the risk and then theres no issue, considering there are better refs in uzbekistan, japan, korea.. even china. Sound like the Uruguay coach in 2005 complaining about the Belgian referee saying he will side with hiddink because he is Dutch. I get what you are saying mate but we shouldn't be putting ourselves in the position to complain about referees. I totally get that we put ourselves in this situation but we a also have an opposition that is trying to stop us from winning also. The AFC don't have an excuse in not putting an entirely unbiased referee in change, there are plenty of options. They have the resources to see the teams, the managers etc and think let's makes this black and white, lets go to a region that has a sufficiently qualified ref that doesnt have any kind of relationship to the two teams. In any sense. For those that say this stuff doesn't happen... it does... all of the time. As for the pen... yep typical west asian style penalty, meanwhile Australias back room staff are still searching the pitch for the remains of milligans legs. We will get them in the second leg... but central American will be a different story. if we get there it will be interesting to see how strong the fourth place concacaf team its (assuming its not usa) Can watch USA v Panama 10AM tomorrow on the Watch ESPN app (or the website)
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+xFunny thing is I thought we WERE more direct and trying to get in behind quickly more than we have for ages.....for an hour. Somehow it seemed like the plan to close up shop after that involved going back to what put us in this position in the first place. It was strange and I do put this one on Ange. Sometimes a coach can't entirely be blamed if a team has 47 shots and scores 2 but this game turned on the subs. I agree but it was mostly through Mooy so we were getting that first pass or passes into midfield. I don't blame us even in the second half of the second half doing it sometimes but when it's failing more than 50% of the time you need to keep the other team guessing a bit to free him up.
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+xFunny thing is I thought we WERE more direct and trying to get in behind quickly more than we have for ages.....for an hour. Somehow it seemed like the plan to close up shop after that involved going back to what put us in this position in the first place. It was strange and I do put this one on Ange. Sometimes a coach can't entirely be blamed if a team has 47 shots and scores 2 but this game turned on the subs. using possession as a defensive strategy can be effective if done right its probably better than trying to use good defensive organization and good concentration given our players aren't good at that (though popa might be able to coach that)
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Our inability to finish teams off and get a result is the problem. The team is so much stronger when Jedinak is there but unfortunately Ange has decided that he is finished.
Also a big hint from Ange that Smith will be back in the team and stink the place up with his shit first touch and turnovers.
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After calming down a bit from last night... Still angry about the pen that wasn't, and our weak second half, but before the game I would have taken 1-1 as an OK away result. I'm pretty confident about the next match at home.
Right now I might be overconfident but I put us at about 60 percent chance to make the world cup.
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Middy’s post match analysis. WE should have been leading three nil, the goal that Lickie hit over the bar about mid first half, when about 12 yards out and no one on him…..add Juric’s hitting the post. Do we have a clinical finisher ….?????? maybe a watch on Tarragat or Jamies M Gotta say I saw our starting formation last night looked a 3 – 4- 3 …. it worked a treat with the two wide mids getting forward … but more importantly the two wide mids were backs whose’s natural instant is to get back and defend…. it worked well. Leckie is not a back and when in the last twenty minutes or so he moved from forward to wide back our defence on his side fell away, Rogic IMO had a poor game and he struggles with the physical nature of the game as it was when he came on… in these tight physical areas IMO Troisi is the far better choice he is prepared to get in their and fight. Jurman had an outstanding game IMO and I think he has nailed that position for a while. Ryan had a far better game but it appeared he was allowed to make his own calls when to go long and thus not always have the backs under pressure.
Pen was not a pen but thats life I guess.
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+xOur inability to finish teams off and get a result is the problem. The team is so much stronger when Jedinak is there but unfortunately Ange has decided that he is finished. Also a big hint from Ange that Smith will be back in the team and stink the place up with his shit first touch and turnovers. well jedi isnt getting game time still recovering maybe
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+x+x+x+x+x+xyep can't see us making it... this team are just full of chokers,,, Ange the biggest of them all... his ego has cost us world cup qualification. I expect Syria to sit back and somehow sneak a goal on the counter.... while the minutes run down we desperately try to score and can't. Absolute disgrace. Too much looking at the top rather than the process that produces the players We have maybe the 6th strongest league in Asia with no 2nd division. Possibly the only league in the world without academies at every club. One of the only top 100 countries without at least a semi professional 2nd tier. We have crazy few full time youth coaches. The most that has been done for youth development is a few academies are finally running and we brought in some overseas consultants to teach us that we need to play small sided games at youth level. Before then we were probably the only too 50 country in the world to have no league for a year. Before that we had an nsl that did a decent job for players born 75 to 79, produces the occasional decent player 5 years either side of that and dreadful otherwise (some of the sides that knocked us out wcqs.....) After all that we have a community bitterly divided between old soccer and new football. Now we have a manager who took over this mess after the team was hopelessly mismanaged and the youth coming through were getting game time in 2nd tier leagues We have a senior team which now consists of 3 players playing in big 5 leagues and another 2 playing at a decent level. With this mess range has managed to get 1.9 points a game and a crucial away goal. Crazy bad luck has prevented it from being worse I know I'm defensive of ange but I think he is one of the few things right in oz football. Sure some of his ideas haven't worked but I've seen the logic in what he is trying. He is trying to solve problems that may be unsolvable. We can't be like new state of origin fans that always attack their best players and coach after a loss destroying morale rather than asking why they haven't produced strong halves in 10 years.... great and accurate post. i keep banging on about it but it's our home game that is letting us down. this 10 team single league joke gives no professional avenue for youth to be playing regularly. our squads are choked with decent players who are losing their prime years from 16/17 to 22 because there are not enough teams at the right level to accommodate them. until we sort that out we will struggle internationally. Don't forget that our 10 team league recycles run of the mill players rather than promoting younger players. It certainly doesn't help.... or brings in semi retired foreigners.... these things are fine when you have a full league with multiple tiers. but we dont have that luxury. the luxury of a normal league. what do you think the odds of at least aafc introducing a 2nd division it needs to be done. with or without the ffa. we are suffering without it. even if its a budget as fuck model. just get it started. dont overcomplicate it. use existing teams.and build it from there. link it in to the top tier as soon as possible. i really think we need to look abroad to management from somewhere like japan where they have successfully done it.
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+xMiddy’s post match analysis. WE should have been leading three nil, the goal that Lickie hit over the bar about mid first half, when about 12 yards out and no one on him…..add Juric’s hitting the post. Do we have a clinical finisher ….?????? maybe a watch on Tarragat or Jamies M Gotta say I saw our starting formation last night looked a 3 – 4- 3 …. it worked a treat with the two wide mids getting forward … but more importantly the two wide mids were backs whose’s natural instant is to get back and defend…. it worked well. Leckie is not a back and when in the last twenty minutes or so he moved from forward to wide back our defence on his side fell away, Rogic IMO had a poor game and he struggles with the physical nature of the game as it was when he came on… in these tight physical areas IMO Troisi is the far better choice he is prepared to get in their and fight. Jurman had an outstanding game IMO and I think he has nailed that position for a while. Ryan had a far better game but it appeared he was allowed to make his own calls when to go long and thus not always have the backs under pressure.
Pen was not a pen but thats life I guess. rogic is not used to playing against equally matched and competitive teams. you look how sharp mooy has gotten since stepping up in leagues. unfazed by 2 or 3 defenders around him. safe and composed. this is something rogic needs, a move to a higher pressure league.
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+x+xMiddy’s post match analysis. WE should have been leading three nil, the goal that Lickie hit over the bar about mid first half, when about 12 yards out and no one on him…..add Juric’s hitting the post. Do we have a clinical finisher ….?????? maybe a watch on Tarragat or Jamies M Gotta say I saw our starting formation last night looked a 3 – 4- 3 …. it worked a treat with the two wide mids getting forward … but more importantly the two wide mids were backs whose’s natural instant is to get back and defend…. it worked well. Leckie is not a back and when in the last twenty minutes or so he moved from forward to wide back our defence on his side fell away, Rogic IMO had a poor game and he struggles with the physical nature of the game as it was when he came on… in these tight physical areas IMO Troisi is the far better choice he is prepared to get in their and fight. Jurman had an outstanding game IMO and I think he has nailed that position for a while. Ryan had a far better game but it appeared he was allowed to make his own calls when to go long and thus not always have the backs under pressure.
Pen was not a pen but thats life I guess. rogic is not used to playing against equally matched and competitive teams. you look how sharp mooy has gotten since stepping up in leagues. unfazed by 2 or 3 defenders around him. safe and composed. this is something rogic needs, a move to a higher pressure league. In the past to give game has dropped substantially when he has a niggle
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Although we should be able to comfortably beat them at home, I have a bad feeling. We are so so soft and seem unable to withstand any pressure at all against anyone. Why can't we ever win on the road anymore? Or at least keep a fucking clean sheet? I know the penalty was dubious (though I've seen those given), but we always find a way to concede. It seems more psychological than talent or formation related. Surely we're good enough to at least keep Thailand or a very poor Iraq side from scoring against us, but we shoot ourselves in the foot every single time. Why the hell does that keep happening?? It's incredibly frustrating.
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I liked how Jurman imposed himself on the game.
He kept it simple and won his battles and didn't over complicate things with the ball.
The thing i liked the most was him arguing with the ref and opposition players.
He wont be a wilting flower and we need that.
He was helped by having Behich instead of Smith on his outside so wasn't dragged about too much but i'd persist with him and see how he goes.
I'd have to watch the game again but i thought once Kruse came off our few passing lanes we had from his movement dried up and Mooy/Millsy dordled on the ball too much.
Juric held the ball well and i really want to see us play into his feet alot more.
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Good coaches can read the game, analyse and change players or formations to get the necessary result.
Game plan for the socceroos was excellent up to the 60 th minute.
But Mooy our most dictating player was running out of legs, and the substitute of Risdon changed everything.
In stead of giving more support of Mooy or changing a formation or replacing a defensive minded wing player with an other one
We changed the balance of the team and it was only a matter of time when we would concede.
Still this result will be good enough to proceed to the next game, but I hope that luck can go our way so it will be another nerve wracking soccer evening.
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If there was one positive, it is that we have discovered a solid option for CB in Jurman. He didn't have a lot to do, but makes you wonder why we persisted with Wright for the last 12 months.
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I watched the game live at the stadium and watched a full replay on TV (Asian commentators). I will say the differences I noticed being there as opposed to watching on TV. Both teams were terrible. Neither team deserves to get anywhere near a World Cup with play like that. I was watching with a German and an Englishman and they were stunned that this is considered almost Word Cup level football. Neither team would beat the 4th ranked team from North America in an intercontinental playoff. Australia was hesitant and unsure with our passing, especially when playing out of defense. We also had poor movement off the ball and lacked energy and urgency, perhaps due to the heat and humidity but I also sense some self doubt. It’s frustrating because I feel like the squad has the potential to do so much better. I keep waiting for it to click but it’s just not. On TV it felt like in the 1st half Australia had momentum and scored although Syria had some chances. Then the 2nd half was the equal and opposite. Live it just left like both teams played badly but did create chances for the whole 90 minutes. In the 1st half we happend to convert one of our chances and in the 2nd half they happened to conver one of theirs. There was no big screen or replays at the stadium so we did not know that the penalty was bull shit. It happened down the other end and we assumed it might have been for a handball or shirt pulling when leaping to head the cross.
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We fell apart when Ange decided to play a winger/striker who hasn't been anywhere near the squad for his entire tenure as a CAM for 20 minutes when he had two CAMs who have done well in that position in this formation at times sitting on the bench.
There's a difference between being 'bold' and being reckless. It was just mindless gambling and it didn't pay off.
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Ange has a motive that doing Plan A better is better than going to a Plan B? Is this mindset starting to affect the team especially away from home? i have a feeling it is.
We play one way for all 90 minutes, when it works its fantastics but when it doesn't we look vulnerable when teams change things up.
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I am over Ange and his three at the back stubborness.I fully expect him to fall on his sword Tue night.
All Syria need to do is score a goal and force us to try for two goals.We don't keep clean sheets so odds favour Syria scoring.
1-1 and we will be basket cases mentally and lose a penalty shootout.
I have zero confidence that Ryan can save penalties.
I think the fairytail for Syria is a real possibility.
Thankyou umpires,ballboys and goodnight .
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Just looking at our 2015 game against Germany we played 433 and we always had a passing outlet with 1-2 touch passes. Our triangles were evident right across the park and we shifted the ball with speed. Now we look clogged up in the middle and we have to fight to string passes together. Watching Jurics goals for his team that usually has less than 50% possession the ball is swung in from deep or square with the opposition facing their own goals. allowing Tomi to attack the space. With Australia there doesn't seem to be that space to attack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRcWVodzqIk
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I think some of you need to also realise we weren't the only team playing last night.
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It's funny that people actually expect us to control an entire match on the road from start to finish, of course Syria are gonna get a bit of momentum at some point in the game, the expectations placed on a very average Socceroos outfit are laughable, we should be wrapped with the draw and away goal. These guys are no mugs, you don't get draws against South Korea, Iran and Japan (friendly) if you are completely rubbish.
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