First things first. The deflection off the chinese girl wasn't deemed 'deliberately played' so play continues.

Now.

I've just rewatched this a couple of times.

Both Carpenter and the Chinese girl are off the pitch. As they're both involved they're deemed to be on the byline for any decision. If you look closely the goalkeeper is a metre or so off her line when the ball deflects off Kennedy and starts heading Carpenter's way. 

That puts Carpenter between the 2nd and last defender so OFFSIDE.

Great call by the AR. (Unless I have that completely wrong.) 

Muz, that's how I interpreted it as well. Both attacker and defender were off the pitch, so both are deemed to be on the goal line. But GK (the second last defender in this case) was forward of Carpenter, so she was offside.

Just to throw in relevant text for reference.

Law 11.2

If an offside offence occurs, the referee awards an indirect free kick where the offence occurred, including if it is in the player’s own half of the field of play.

A defending player who leaves the field of play without the referee’s permission will be considered to be on the goal line or touchline for the purposes of offside until the next stoppage in play or until the defending team has played the ball towards the halfway line and it is outside its penalty area. If the player left the field of play deliberately, the player must be cautioned when the ball is next out of play.

An attacking player may step or stay off the field of play not to be involved in active play. If the player re-enters from the goal line and becomes involved in play before the next stoppage in play or the defending team has played the ball towards the halfway line and it is outside its penalty area, the player will be considered to be positioned on the goal line for the purposes of offside. A player who deliberately leaves the field of play and re-enters without the referee’s permission and is not penalised for offside and gains an advantage must be cautioned.

If an attacking player remains stationary between the goalposts and inside the goal as the ball enters the goal, a goal must be awarded unless the player commits an offside offence or a Law 12 offence, in which case play is restarted with an indirect or direct free kick.

I agreed she came from a offside position the moment the AR raised her flag.
Some of you guys are not paying attention having seen all thes eposts over it :)

So now I'm thinking what would the call have been if the GK was on the line? You'd think that'd be onside because 'equal' is on.

Only because the GK was off her line. That's what makes it sharp work by the AR. There's a lot going on there and she's done well.

Well summed up Muz. I haven't seen the incident....
But, based off how things have been explained, that all makes sense as to how/why it would have played out

Thanks for the explanations guys.

The ball was deliberately kicked wide by the central defender though - not looking at the deflection - and I thought that moment put Carpenter onside.

Looking at it again, does Van Egmond get a touch on the ball after the Chinese player attempts to clear it? If she did, that changes everything.

I have to admit, I had not gotten as far as the players being behind the goal line and would have wondered about that if I ever got to it.

Comes off our 10 (Van Egmond) and then the Chinese girl on the way to Carpenter.

It is a beautiful moment highlighting the difficulties of the simple referees assistant job that we also take for granted.

In a cluster of bodies, a Chinese player kicked the ball (Was it heading towards goal or deliberate they ask?) - Carpenter onside - then Van Egmond gets a bit of a touch on it (Where is Carpenter in relation to the last two Chinese players?) - Carpenter offside/onside? - then another Chinese player gets a slight deflection with her knee (Did she? Was it deliberate?) - Carpenter offside/onside?

I know they stand in a line with the second last defender to be able to make instant judgement calls about the offside line, but huge credit to them for doing that while also noting every touch of the ball in a random moment. All up there are 4 moments in about 1.5 seconds and each of them laden with decisions.

I have watched it many, many times on replay and had still missed Van Egmond's deflection. I know I am not watching from where they are in terms of angles, initial positioning, lines of sight, and intervening bodies, but bloody well done to them every game.

As a side note again, it is part of why I would like to see passive offside changed - to the extent that you can only be passive offside if you do not receive the ball or take part in the play until you have two opposing players goal side of you. That would remove the eventual advantage from being offside while also making it a single 'simple' line for the assistant to monitor.

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Gustavsson the fucking spud has picked Van Egmond and Polkinghorne!

What the fuck is wrong with that clown?

100% convinced now that Polkinghorne has compromising nudes of the Spud.

Bloody Van Egmond ;)

Thanks for your eyes and brain, as always, Muz.

Trying to drop an image in here. Probably won't work.

To be ridiculous, if an entire attacking team accidentally crossed the goal line during play then all ran back to halfway, as long as the defending team kept the ball in the penalty area the entire attacking team is still considered to be on the goal line for offside and unable to participate in play without conceding a free kick for offside.

If two defenders cross the goal line during play (actually quite possible with momentum and desperate defence) then they are considered to be on the goal line for offside until a stoppage or until the ball goes outside the penalty box and the defending team kick the ball towards halfway - so there is no offside possible potentially for 5 minutes since there are always going to be two defenders considered to be on the goal line.

I had no idea that particular rule had a lingering 'offside' context. Madness! Who writes this stuff? So the assistant referee also had to remember every player who crosses the goal line and not forget them until the ball is outside the penalty box and kicked towards halfway by a defender.

If the goal keeper had happened to step behind the goal line in the leadup, they would also still be considered 'on the goal line' for offside though since no China player kicked the ball outside the penalty area in the direction of halfway - so a fixed frame image does not really work for offside like that. Fck me dead I couldn't do your job Muz.

Just to pose a stupid question (it is a gift I have) - on a corner kick, when the keeper usually stands behind the goal line at some point and defenders cross the goal line to grab a drink from the keeper's bottle, technically there is no offside in the following play until the ball is back outside the penalty box and kicked towards halfway by a defender?

So a 'smart' attacking team would note the moment a defender leaves the field of play in order to ignore offside positioning for the duration of their attack.

Defenders might not be aware of that moment so when they push out to create an offside buffer an aware attacker can simply stand miles offside and score easily.

Muz - would you simply judge this not to be in the spirit of the laws and ignore the silly side of it?

These things are written in because players cheat to gain an advantage. Sure as eggs these provisions were added when players left the field deliberately to either make the other player onside or offside. I'm assuming someone, somewhere said that's not fair and here we are.

I need a while to digest your hypotheticals. Need to finish some work off first though.

Thanks for the analysis of the situation Muz et al.  I wasn't aware of the laws covering players who left the field as a result of play so that is one thing I have learnt.

I think there is a gap in the LOTG as they are currently written. The following clause

A defending player who leaves the field of play without the referee’s permission will be considered to be on the goal line or touchline for the purposes of offside until the next stoppage in play or until the defending team has played the ball towards the halfway line and it is outside its penalty area. If the player left the field of play deliberately, the player must be cautioned when the ball is next out of play.

is there, as I read it, to cover instances where a defender goes behind the goal line for an extended period of time, e.g., where a defender deliberately steps off the pitch and makes no attempt to get back on in order to play an attacker offside, or where a defender falls behind the goal line injured and is unable to get back onto the field of play, or something similar.

I can't see anything in the laws covering instances where a defender temporarily goes behind the goal line due to momentum, and immediately tries to get back to the field of play (as happened last night). It is common sense to consider that in this instance the player who is temporarily off the field of play is deemed to be on the goal line, but I would have thought it would be prudent for it to be specifically written in the offside law.

JJ has build this team into Australia's leading team, and that presentation last night with the coat... OMG that was goosebumps.... 

Rumours are he has signed or about to sign a new TV deal with 10.... Tis said its more than double the current FA deal.... and that sponsorships have gone through the roof for the national teams...

Opens the question, should we put JJ in charge of the A-Leagues as well.... 

kudos Muzza.
I wonder how I would ref a few in here, I'd yellow RIMB many times for talk/decent asking too many questions but to play to my whistle lol :)
To me the moment I saw her coming back on from a offside position it was done.

Middy, no re JJ and APL, he got enough on his plate looking after the NT's and future of the rest of the game.
Need to keep him focussed not side tracked.

I don't understand - why would you give me a yellow card?

:P

Because you are a Roar supporter.  Thats enough of a reason isn't it?  :)

LOL ! he's a RED in quick time after the yellow, can't help themselves :)

In that instance, sounds like you are explaining actions of the defenders/goalkeeper before the ball is in play, so it is a moot point.

Morrison > Polkinghorne
Grant > Torpey
Simon > Van Egmond

The rest of the team is about right.

S11
GK Arnold
DF Carpenter / Hunt / Kennedy / Catley
MF Gorry / Fowler / Cooney-Cross 
FW Raso / Heyman / Foord

Reserves
Micah GK
Polkinghorne CB
Torpey FB
Wheeler DM
Yallop CM
VanEgmond AM
Vine W

Not trying to be difficult (also one of my gifts), but there was nothing in the rules Muz posted about the ball having to be in play. Is that just commonsense that actions relating to offside have to be during play?

It just read odd in that rule and had me wondering.

LAWS mate, LAWS!!!! Don't hurt my ears.

If ya gunna do ref speak ya gotta use the lingo cobber!

Anyway, time to put all this theory of your into practice and pick up a whistle. You never know, you might enjoy it.

Just a quick note on the indigenous stuff from last night. I'm usually, 'it's all a bit tokenistic now', but last night Yvonne Goolagong presenting Lydia with the blanket thingo was a really nice moment. You could tell it meant a lot to Lydia.

Well done whoever organised that.