The VAR is a disgrace


The VAR is a disgrace

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Munrubenmuz - 20 Oct 2022 6:31 PM
Didn't know where to post this.

VAR explanation.  https://fb.watch/ggIJ34Xolk/

Their releasing it because it ain't contentious.
The idiot put his boot in the side of a Perth players face.
Release something contentious.
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Didn't know where to post this.

VAR explanation.  https://fb.watch/ggIJ34Xolk/


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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11176897/Hawkeye-spell-end-linesman-football-new-technology-set-used-soon.html

CL and then WCUP will use Hawkeye for Offside calls with decisions taking about 25 seconds after goal is scored

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localstar - 27 Nov 2021 11:39 AM
SWandP - 27 Nov 2021 4:28 AM

Its getting worse- get that technology crap out of football.


It's all about match fixing and the amount of money bet on football games. For that reason alone we are stuck with it. 
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SWandP - 27 Nov 2021 4:28 AM
https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/fifa-to-test-automatic-offside-technology-next-week-in-preparation-for-qatar-world-cup-302340

FIFA to test automatic offside technology next week in preparation for Qatar World Cup

FIFA will test the new technology at the Arab Cup

FIFA will trial their new automatic offside technology next week at the Arab Cup as a test to potentially use it at the World Cup in Qatar next year.As per the Times, the technology relies on an artificial intelligence (AI) system sending an instant message to VAR when a player is offside, with the official then left to determine if a player has interfered with the passage of play or not.The technology will be used at all six stadiums used in the Arab Cup - which also takes place in Qatar - and comes after several trials behind closed doors took place at the likes of the Etihad Stadium and the Allianz Arena.Despite being able to relay an instant message to VAR, the technology will only be classed as semi-automated as the verdict will be sent to VAR and not the referee himself.

One of the companies behind the technology is UK-based company Hawk-Eye, who believe they have created a system that is ready to use.Should the trial prove to be a success, it is likely that the proposal to use it at next year's World Cup finals will be formally approved at the International Football Association Board's annual meeting in March next year.The report also suggests that there is hope from Premier League referees that the technology would be available to use in the English top-flight in time for the 2023-2024 season.Insiders who have had access to the technology have been excited by its uses, with people stating that the new technology will be more accurate than the current one in place.


Its getting worse- get that technology crap out of football.


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https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/fifa-to-test-automatic-offside-technology-next-week-in-preparation-for-qatar-world-cup-302340

FIFA to test automatic offside technology next week in preparation for Qatar World Cup

FIFA will test the new technology at the Arab Cup

FIFA will trial their new automatic offside technology next week at the Arab Cup as a test to potentially use it at the World Cup in Qatar next year.As per the Times, the technology relies on an artificial intelligence (AI) system sending an instant message to VAR when a player is offside, with the official then left to determine if a player has interfered with the passage of play or not.The technology will be used at all six stadiums used in the Arab Cup - which also takes place in Qatar - and comes after several trials behind closed doors took place at the likes of the Etihad Stadium and the Allianz Arena.Despite being able to relay an instant message to VAR, the technology will only be classed as semi-automated as the verdict will be sent to VAR and not the referee himself.

One of the companies behind the technology is UK-based company Hawk-Eye, who believe they have created a system that is ready to use.Should the trial prove to be a success, it is likely that the proposal to use it at next year's World Cup finals will be formally approved at the International Football Association Board's annual meeting in March next year.The report also suggests that there is hope from Premier League referees that the technology would be available to use in the English top-flight in time for the 2023-2024 season.Insiders who have had access to the technology have been excited by its uses, with people stating that the new technology will be more accurate than the current one in place.


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I still think the best outcome would be for VAR to fuck off. Not going to happen now though, Pandora's box has been opened.
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If its close I get it.
How many times have we seen in top flight the striker or whoever is 2/3mtrs so obviously off side and play carries on till dead.
I reckon players from here on should pull up knowing full well the flag will come up....to stir the pot.
Mind you its all the human instinct to carry on as well right ? striker thinks and hopes he's in if scores And the keeper/and backs still react to tackle/stop the attack in fear it goes in the net and allowed lol......
Lino, just pull the flag up straight away with an obvious offside as it had been done for decades on decades !


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LFC. - 3 Aug 2021 1:43 PM
scubaroo - 3 Aug 2021 12:08 PM

yep, late in the game and all running on empty as late in the Matildas game.
The last thing you need is play carry on using up the minimal gas you have left AND yer you could trip/twist an ankle of bad tackle that all could have been avoided.
Its just dumb ruling period.

We've been told, at local level, to hold the flag until they're involved in play then raise it. It's pretty simple.

I don't understand why, when they're clearly offside, they let them take the ball, dribble it, cross it in, let the GK take it and then flag it.

Like they obviously knew they were offside because they raised their flag so why not raise it as soon as they become active.

I get it if it's close but loads of these aren't.


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scubaroo - 3 Aug 2021 12:08 PM
LFC. - 3 Aug 2021 12:02 PM

I'd hate to see a player get injured in a phase of play that was very clearly offside. 
By all means leave it down if it's too close to call but watching the Olympics,  they have seriously left it down when players are a metre or more offside,  it's been disgraceful. 

yep, late in the game and all running on empty as late in the Matildas game.
The last thing you need is play carry on using up the minimal gas you have left AND yer you could trip/twist an ankle of bad tackle that all could have been avoided.
Its just dumb ruling period.


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LFC. - 3 Aug 2021 12:02 PM
clockwork orange - 3 Aug 2021 10:50 AM

This so much, carrying on with play to then see the obvious flag up is just pointless.

I'd hate to see a player get injured in a phase of play that was very clearly offside. 
By all means leave it down if it's too close to call but watching the Olympics,  they have seriously left it down when players are a metre or more offside,  it's been disgraceful. 
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clockwork orange - 3 Aug 2021 10:50 AM
One change they should make to offside is that any player in an offside position at a restart eg freekick should automatically be given offside regardless of whether they physically get involved with the play. There is no reason for it to occur. Players have ample time to get onside.  If coaches believe that this is not interfering with play then why have the player stand offside?
Having someone stand off-side is for the purpose of affecting how the defence lines up, to distract them and to affect how the keeper thinks about coming for the ball. 
Just get rid of it. 

VAR has also led to the ridiculous situation where officials don’t raise their flags for obvious offsides. In the Matilda’s match more than a minute’s play was lost in extra time because play was allowed to go on when a player was yards offside. 
It also pi55es me off when a flag stays down and then a goal isn’t scored but play is allowed to continue.  What should  be a relieving freekick becomes a backs to the wall defensive effort or worse still a goal resulting from a subsequent play.


This so much, carrying on with play to then see the obvious flag up is just pointless.


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I can't help but feel those changes to awarding penalties are just going to make the VAR decision-process time take even longer, which is the worst aspect of it all.

And what ever happened to the post-match review panels to catch out simulation etc?  That really needs to be re-introduced.

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Munrubenmuz - 3 Aug 2021 8:39 AM
Unfortunately it's not going away but at least they're improving it.

Here.  https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/aug/02/var-set-to-end-premier-league-players-buying-a-penalty-next-season

“Referees will look for contact and establish clear contact, then ask themselves the question: does that contact have a consequence?” Riley said. “They will then ask themselves a question: has the player used that contact to actually try and win a foul penalty? So it’s not sufficient just to say: ‘Yes, there’s contact.’

^^^
Said this for a thousand years.

Also this.

VAR assesses whether a player is offside in the buildup to a goal as part of its four key checks but has been criticised for ruling out goals on the tiniest of margins. New rules will apply a different approach, with a final decision made not using the one-pixel-wide lines of the VAR, but the fatter “broadcast lines” used by TV. If the line marking the attacker’s position blurs into the line marking the defender’s position, the attacker will be deemed onside.

“We’ve now reintroduced the benefit of the doubt to the attacking player,” Riley said. “Effectively what we have given back to the game is 20 goals that were disallowed last season by using quite forensic scrutiny. It’s the toenails, the noses of the players that last season were offside – this season they will be onside.”[/i]



Those two changes are a fantastic step forward.

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One change they should make to offside is that any player in an offside position at a restart eg freekick should automatically be given offside regardless of whether they physically get involved with the play. There is no reason for it to occur. Players have ample time to get onside.  If coaches believe that this is not interfering with play then why have the player stand offside?
Having someone stand off-side is for the purpose of affecting how the defence lines up, to distract them and to affect how the keeper thinks about coming for the ball. 
Just get rid of it. 

VAR has also led to the ridiculous situation where officials don’t raise their flags for obvious offsides. In the Matilda’s match more than a minute’s play was lost in extra time because play was allowed to go on when a player was yards offside. 
It also pi55es me off when a flag stays down and then a goal isn’t scored but play is allowed to continue.  What should  be a relieving freekick becomes a backs to the wall defensive effort or worse still a goal resulting from a subsequent play.


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Unfortunately it's not going away but at least they're improving it.

Here.  https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/aug/02/var-set-to-end-premier-league-players-buying-a-penalty-next-season

“Referees will look for contact and establish clear contact, then ask themselves the question: does that contact have a consequence?” Riley said. “They will then ask themselves a question: has the player used that contact to actually try and win a foul penalty? So it’s not sufficient just to say: ‘Yes, there’s contact.’

^^^
Said this for a thousand years.

Also this.

VAR assesses whether a player is offside in the buildup to a goal as part of its four key checks but has been criticised for ruling out goals on the tiniest of margins. New rules will apply a different approach, with a final decision made not using the one-pixel-wide lines of the VAR, but the fatter “broadcast lines” used by TV. If the line marking the attacker’s position blurs into the line marking the defender’s position, the attacker will be deemed onside.

“We’ve now reintroduced the benefit of the doubt to the attacking player,” Riley said. “Effectively what we have given back to the game is 20 goals that were disallowed last season by using quite forensic scrutiny. It’s the toenails, the noses of the players that last season were offside – this season they will be onside.”





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Fuck VAR.

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Munrubenmuz - 1 Jul 2021 11:12 AM

Ken Early: How can anybody think VAR is an improvement?



This...

The game is now governed by an infuriating mix of traffic warden pedantry and incomprehensible official blindness.


...sums it up for me
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agreed SOO it worked far better than before and ditto eat it Qldr's.......

Ah ok called Hawkeye, yep saw that the other day.


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Tell you what though the NRL has really gotten on top of it now it's bedded down. Watching the state of origin the other night (suck shit QLD) and they very quickly come up with a decision. I also like the fact the ref has to make a call as to what he thinks it should be.

Yes goal line ball over line.  That's 'Hawkeye' I believe. The ref's watch buzzes to say it's over which is why he pointed at it the other day. (You probably knew that.)


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balls over the line ? you mean the goal line tech ? was great to see in action during one of the games not long ago.

yes foul close to the box lines is worthwhile.

Another to go is playing the advantage during an obvious offside for the lino to flick up his flag after the play has carried on that wouldn't allow the goal anyway, like WTF wasting that time as well. Were all seeing what happened ball goes in the net BUT we know it'll go back for the offside call.
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LFC. - 1 Jul 2021 11:52 AM
Munrubenmuz - 1 Jul 2021 11:12 AM

great read he gets it completely.....
It has to go its just so shit its not funny.

Re the 4th official whos normally between/around both coachs/reserves benchs.
Is he giving any feedback back to the ref what he sees ? or just managing coachs outbursts and plea's/subs etcetc.....

Would be happy if they went with reviews for ball over the line, in and out of the penalty box for where the foul was and mistaken identity.  The rest can go.


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Munrubenmuz - 1 Jul 2021 11:12 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/ken-early-how-can-anybody-think-var-is-an-improvement-1.4605165

Ken Early: How can anybody think VAR is an improvement?

Belgium win over Portugal will be remembered for violent play and poor refereeing



great read he gets it completely.....
It has to go its just so shit its not funny.

Re the 4th official whos normally between/around both coachs/reserves benchs.
Is he giving any feedback back to the ref what he sees ? or just managing coachs outbursts and plea's/subs etcetc.....


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https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/ken-early-how-can-anybody-think-var-is-an-improvement-1.4605165

Ken Early: How can anybody think VAR is an improvement?

Belgium win over Portugal will be remembered for violent play and poor refereeing





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The VAR should be able to look at all available angels - but only once and at normal speed. If the ref has seen it and then the VAR has seen it and not picked it up in their vone viewing at normal speed then it is not clear and obvious.

Better still - get rid of it.

I vote for option 2, although option 1 is much better than what we currently have.
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Gyfox - 4 Jan 2020 10:35 AM
I reckon the VAR should only be allowed to watch the footage at normal speed to see if there was an obvious error.  If it requires the analysis of slow motion footage then it's not an obvious error.

The VAR should be able to look at all available angels - but only once and at normal speed. If the ref has seen it and then the VAR has seen it and not picked it up in their vone viewing at normal speed then it is not clear and obvious.

Better still - get rid of it.
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LFC. - 10 Mar 2021 10:41 AM
yep its just not football.
Why must change be incurred like in everything today, more so regards to a sport, Tech just isn't suitable to be introduced.
Our game thrives on flow not waiting on decisions - Refs and linos call right or wrong is our game period.

Yep. 

Nobody had an issue with goal line tech as it provided a quick answer on an objective thing: did the ball cross the line or not.

Now we have a situation where we wait several minutes, umming and ahhing about something that is inherently a subjective take on a rule, ie was it intentionally a handball? Was there enough contact for a pen? Etc. On another day another VAR official or ref will make a different decision, just like before.

FIFA obviously know this, hence the promise that VAR was only to be used for "clear and obvious error" yet somehow we are lucky to go a game without VAR influencing the result and a round without a major controversy. 

And this isnt even the worst aspect of VAR for me. Its the way its ruined celebrating a goal. No point going nuts now. Gotta wait for a replay or two to make sure it all looks kosher first. Just like freaking NRL now.




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yep its just not football.
Why must change be incurred like in everything today, more so regards to a sport, Tech just isn't suitable to be introduced.
Our game thrives on flow not waiting on decisions - Refs and linos call right or wrong is our game period.


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