John Aloisi or Kevin Muscat

Who is your choice as a replacement coach

Shoot me now.

Shoot Joffa I'm, wtf?

Terrible thread. Threads upon threads. 

There are no feasible good options that I can see, so Ange has to stay. I hear Arnold is the favourite,  but I'm not impressed by his pragmatism. I actually love Ange's attacking 3-4-3 philosophy in theory. It would be a huge step back to revert to parking the bus, which is what many people here seem to want. 

Examples of how well we have played under Ange in tournies:

v Netherlands 2014 WC
v Chile 2017 Confed Cup
v Germany 2017 Confed Cup

The last 2 against top 10 countries with 3ATB.

So it can work and work well against the better nations.

WE WERE SHIT AGAINST GERMANY.
They totally destroyed us in the first half and the second half does not matter because the game was over. 

The other two are much better examples of us playing well.

Against the Netherlands Cahill's wonder goal really kept us in the game, without it we might have been blown away.

Against Chile we did not play to Ange's blueprint. The team was selected from those who were left standing, it was not a team Ange would have selected if everyone was available, and they played a much quicker more urgent style of play that has not been on show since. Troisi had a brilliant game and has not played like that since. Even McGowan had a good game at CB. Something very strange happened in that game but it certainly was not because the sudden implemented Ange's tactical vision for the Socceroos perfectly, it was because they went away from Ange's way of playing.

Ante Milicic

Neither. I would go after Bert van Marwijk. If I had to pick an Aussie, I would go after Arnold.

If it has to be an Aussie then it is hard to go past Arnold.

However it shouldn't be an Aussie, it should be someone who has had experience in managing a national team or teams and a good coaching record. There are probably quite a few potential managers who meet that criteria but finding one who would do the job for the FFA could afford might be a challenge.

I hope posti continues and i get the feeling after a last minute backdown by the FFA he will. If not, has to be Arnold.

Joffa you are an absolute tool

Yeah I’m with Gruen, we got smashed against Germany, they could’ve had 6, especially due to the high left wingback being out of position.

If it has to be an Aussie, Arnold is the best bet. But ideally I think it should be Van Marwijk.

Clearly with the suppository of wisdom that is the FourFourTwo forum, a panel drawn from here should coach the Socceroos in perpetuity.

I find it highly surprising and shocking that any of the neckbeards here haven't been sought by the FFA or any football federation in the entire world. The human capital here is being wasted.

Couldn't stay away eh?

There should be a national technical committee of 442 forumites who have pride in the way we play and the foreign coach should have to justify the team sheet to us before the game. It’s the only way.

A collective of captains and former socceroos leading a revolt ;) 

So Ange still wants us to talk about this for 2 weeks and get FFA to beg for him and cave to his demands?

The draw is in Russia on Dec 1 and he wants to make public his choice on Nov 30-31? 

Just leave already. We wont send you off to the draw like a hero. 

What if hypothetically Ange is threatening to leave because FFA's inaction over things like expansion and second division (things that you but most of us too want) because he can see that future world cup hopes are being sabotaged/sacrificed for the short term?

Would people here still resent him for that? 

I mean, it's more likely a personal thing I guess but I wouldn't entirely put it past him as a power play.

Yep, I think Ange has been strong enough to stand up to the FFA insiders and they haven't liked it. Meant there has been another distraction from getting to the WC. At least we have achieved that now, hopefully we say bye bye to the insiders on the 30th.

The worst picture from Wednesday was Franky and little stevie side by side in the aftermath of the victory. Told us all what we needed to not know! I would guess Franky is trying to pull a few strings at FIFA headquarters even at this late stage.

He is definitely waiting to see what happens with FIFA and the FFA, if i were in his shoes i'd do the exact same thing.

That's fine mate but it's the 'poor bugger me', 'I've always been an outsider' garbage I can't stand.

What a martyr.

What is he banging on about?  He's played and coached and been involved in football at senior level for 20+ years.  

Give me a break.

Definitely agree that this schtick has worn thin and if what I suggested is even slightly true he could have gone about things differently as his attitude has been misdirected...which makes me think it's not that clear cut.

Personally I dont resent him. I just want someone else who can get more from he tean with different tactics and selections.

I dont think it is a big con-spriracy to get SM into the a-league from his part. Although I assume he wants pro rel etc

If it is his agenda it is a weird way to go about things. Not needed at all.

He asked fans and media  to be morecritical. Results didnt go his way and we all were critical. He got shitty. This is the area he has pissed fans off, along with some results.

It seems all of this might be him trying to give FFA some payback after he was made to apologise. He is trying to make them look stupid and the bad guys in the end. Instead of just walking away. He wants the last laugh. 

He might also be trying to get fired so he gets a payout and take a new contract somewhere else. we dont know yet. We have been asking, so many times. 

In the end if he stays, what was the point of all this shit? 

In that regard he just seems like he has a massive ego and its more about him and his legacy than the team, the country and the fans. 

What you should be asking is why hasn't Ange been offered another 4 years?
On top of that why he hasn't been offered the role of game changer?
By the I mean giving authority to go right through the game and make the changes necessary at all levels to drive the game forward.

You get the feeling he's not even allowed to choose where we play, let alone who (for friendles). 

I'd say your right.

He's not even allowed to speak his mind, let alone make decisions for the game.

David Squires on ... the Socceroos' qualification for a fourth consecutive World Cup | Sport | The Guardian

Neither should be anywhere near the NT.

-PB

Wenger.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5080903/Arsene-Wenger-like-manage-World-Cup.html

That would be a great coup for Australia ... don't see it happening though.

I personally think if Ange goes we need an tournament / internationally experienced coach. Plenty of coaches out there would take the gig for what the Socceroos offer simply because they'd get to coach at a World Cup (putting that on your CV will bring extra dollars your way next contract).

I don't think any of the Aussie coaches could do a good enough job with the current crop of players or they'd take our football tactics backwards. We need a coach who is willing to build on the mentality Ange has created in the team, unfortunately Arnold, Muscat, Popovic etc. would all take us back to a conservative counter attacking style game (most these coaches deployed such tactics even when they had some of the best teams on paper in the A-League, imagine what they'll do with a team that is one of the worse on paper in a World Cup)

I think we will make a lot of arsenal fans happy. Maybe not the board, he makes them to much money for buying low and selling high. Hence why he has lasted. 

This is why i find the whole ange leaving thing so strange. So many coaches dream of being at the world cup. Maybe he doing the right thing for australian football in his protest. I can't see in the future. It is odd on the surface to flow away your dream for a political move.

Strong rumors Arnie is lined up. Don't think he'd be the right choice, nor would it be the circumstances that he should sign up for. Little time to personalise the squad to his style, and win or lose it will be because of Ange. 

I'd like a qualuity foreigner, but I don't think we can afford one which is why we'll have to settle for Arnie or Muscat. 

As I'm reading this I'm visualizing Matt Simon coming on as a game breaker in the final 10 with Timmy looking on from the bench. 

Wouldn't mind if Milicec got the gig - he knows the players and the style, and would be a fairly seamless changeover.

Now that we're I'm in favour of Ange continuing.

Gianni de Biasi

Would it be worth getting Laurent Blanc in before the USA get a hold of him?

Not that he would be available but I think David Wagner from Huddersfield would make a great National coach.
He has great Charisma,players love him,the fans love him and he would want attacking football.
Huddersfield in the Premier League is Like watching Australia battle every minute for a win.
I see similarities in the way Huddersfield and Australia play.
He has helped Huddersfield with its Youth Academy setup and has managed to develop his first team players.
Brendon Rodgers would be another I think would be a good fit for Australia.

Bruce Arena

decent option. i would be ok with tony pulis.  you know we will probably end up with alan pardew.  

imo graham arnold is the only australian option. the only consistent coach with decent experience.  shame he is a complete fuckhead in front of a camera.  popa and muscat would be other options but they lack the consistency and have only been doing the job for a few years.  i would prefer an australian coach.  this is an opportunity that we should not waste on a foreigner.  this is a chance to develop internally. 

Henk ten cate. Assistant at barca and chelsea snd managed ajax, was considered for the dutch job before they went with dick advocaat. Currently in uae i think 

If the FFA want to keep the attacking football philosophy going then going for a Musky or Arnold will be the wrong choices, as much as they can coach in their own ways they will change the philosophy than Ange has put in place.

Ideally someone like Gombau if he didnt take over the WSW gig or Milicic if he wanted to take over  too, if the FFA had the money i would try and bring in someone like a Marcelo Bielsa, Frank Rijkaard etc or a un-known attacking coach that is well scouted and identified. 

But all of this depends on the FFA mandate, do they have a philosophy mandate on the style of play otherwise Arnie or Musky would wrong choices based on that.

Depends on whether they want to hire a person to be manager for the next cycle aswell, i see no issue hiring a more pragmatic manager just for the upcoming world cup and then look for a proper replacement afterwards. Because lets be honest, we aren't exactly the best at the high possession, pressing game so if we are just looking for someone to do well in the world cup, then Arnold or Muscat could be alright. I'd rather it not be Muscat though, ever.

If we are serious about developing a playing style that the next gen of players can take on, then sticking to this philosophy is a must.

There is a reason why Ange is also in the technical heart of the youth teams, where they play the same way as the senior team he wants to imprint an identity which hopefully we lead to future success at the international stage.

Going back to Arnie or selecting Musky would mean a change of technical direction, for me it doesn't make sense that we should change to a more reactive style in a world cup year what purpose does it lead to us in the long term when the youth teams are taught a way of playing? 

The same purpose as playing a proactive style for a single tournament, which on the grand scheme of things will change absolutely nothing. We have our squad for this world cup, we aren't going to be bringing in the youth to this side, it is going to be a few games where we will try and get a few good results and leave Russia respectable. Then we go and find ourselves a proper replacement.

Hiring Arnie won't change how our youth teams will play, the national curriculum and everything else, it is purely a short term thing. I'd also like to add even if we hire a proactive manager they'll still play incredibly different to Ange and this voodoo formation we have played for a year, not to mention i don't think us playing a bit more cautious and direct these past 4 matches has destroyed the national team curriculum and youth setup in this country either.

I'd rather Ange to stay and see out this world cup as this is his squad but if he were to go, i can live with being a bit more pragmatic for a few games. Which also doesn't mean stick 10 people behind the ball and not complete a pass.

Yes, the overall scope is for Ange to stay but i have a feeling hes going to walk.
Agree to disagree i just think to change back to a reactive style will be taking a backward step and all of the work Ange has set in place in the last 4 years will be taken away with Arnie.

But we are talking about the FFA here, we don't know what they want to do if Ange leaves, there lack of football nous at FFA HQ is a cause for concern. 

If Ange is to leave, we need to try and sign some high profile name for a year so the players will respect him and hopefully allow him put his stamp on the team. Problem is, i don't know who would actually want to join.

Con postecoglou, his brother.

I would see if that dutch coach that coached Saudi Arabia through the qualifiers wanted the job.
Getting Saudi to the world cup is an achievement in itself, he got them very organised and now has the experience we need for dealing with asian teams and the logistics required through the next set of qualifiers.

Bert van Marwijk would have to be on anyone's list...

Rijkaard has retired from what i heard. I think he was last seen at some usa youth academy.

What would people think of Klinsman? I think he could do a good job to be honest and fits the philosophy. 

https://deadspin.com/jurgen-klinsmann-wishes-america-would-adopt-promotion-a-1644876704

Jürgen Klinsmann Wishes America Would Adopt Promotion And Relegation

Jurgen Klinsmann wants promotion and relegation, but will it happen?

I would hope that if ange goes he is involved in picking his successor. Think arnold is too of a style shift

Ange Postoclovski

Paul Okon has had tremendous success and results at youth and club level so I feel he is probably next in line to coach the national team. 

Klinsman with his totally hands off "hey you players go figure it out" approach would be a total disaster. He might have been a great player but all that ive heard he just didnt communicate strategy and his selections just left everyone bewildered. Massive coach players disconnect 

Me

Cage fight

Nutmeg v Tomato Sauce Bottle

First to draw red stuff gets the gig

This guy

Arnold would probably bring back from the dead 'experienced campaigners' like Neil, Holman, Kewell, Wilkshire etc..... The A League is about where he should be and belongs. Keep him away from the national team at all costs.
Hopefully Ange stays and continues his good work with essentially an average squad. He gets the most out of them and the players obviously respect him. Otherwise bring in a Hiddink type 'contractor' for the World Cup and then re-assess after the tournament.

Neill and Kewell are retired first of all and i highly doubt he would bring back wilkshire and Holman. He could potentially bring back Brosque though and i'd have to say it would be deservedly so - much more worthy a spot than Ruka or even mabil IMO

Honestly though Gombau was the incredibly obvious and logical choice before Wanderers stuffed that plan up

Would the FFA approach him anyway? 

It's been said here already but Bert Van Marwijk already knows the Australian team and has analysed us and knows our strengths and weaknesses.

Bert would be great, but if the Saudis couldn't come to 'terms' with him after he got them to qualify for the WC, I don't think there is any way we could afford him. I'm expecting some journeyman coach I've never heard of, like Verbeek or Hosciek, if we are going for an international coach

There's only 1 man who can take this job overnight and do really well with it.
And that's the current Iran coach, Carlos Queirós. He's been coaching in Asian football for about 5 years now, and he knows it well.
He's a former assistant coach at Man Utd under Fergie,and then he took over as Real Madrid coach.
But his greatest moment, is for sure the 2 x Youth WC victories with Portugal in 89 & 91.
He oversaw and nurtured the Golden Generation of Portuguese Football of that time, and many players would go on to become household names in European and World Football. He brought thru and guided players like Luís Figo, Rui Costa, Jorge Costa, Abel Xavier, Emílio Peixe, Joao Pinto and many more.
He's a good tactician, his teams always play good football, he speaks good English and would be willing to live down under.
We all saw Iran at the last WC give Argentina a fright, and we saw what they produced at the Asian Cup here in Australia in 2015.
This guy would be my number 1 target, Arnold, Popa or Muscat aren't even in the same ballpark.

Why would he leave Iran?

Queirós has reportedly quit from the Iran job and been convinced to stay 3-4 times. He's butted heads with their federation countless times, as they're always low on funds, and haven't always delivered what they've promised to the coach, in terms or conditions or opponents/matches.
He's mentioned in the past that he'd love the Socceroos job.
If Ange goes, which looks like might be the case, this guy's our man.

good call

He would be absolutely perfect. Would be rapt if this ever happened.

If that is the case then go for him, he looks great.

From what I heard about his failure to negotiate a deal with the Saudis post-qualification was more about some ridiculous clause where he had to spend a certain amount of time in the country (23 days a month) and seek permission to leave the country. 
If Ange leaves then Bert would be the best realistic choice available imo.

That was one reason, another reason was that the Saudis took it upon themselves to sack his assistants without telling him and hiring their own assistant coaches.

Even though he chose to leave, he may feel aggrieved that he put all that work in to get them there without having the chance of going to the World Cup tournament itself. If Ange goes, he may see it as an opportunity to go to a tournament he 'earned' the right to go to and arguably with a better squad. It also helps that having analysed us, he will already have some knowledge about the strength and weaknesses of the squad. Considering the Socceroos job is one of the highest paying national team coaching positions in the world (or at least it was at one point), I doubt money would be a sticking point, especially having regard to the above.  

I wouldn't expect that the problem was money with the Saudis. I reckon it must have been some other freedoms he wanted with the team ... I'd imagine politics determine team selections, where they play, who they play, etc. etc. In Australia that would largely be left to the coach's discretion.

Why haven't people mentioned Hiddink yet? Good enough to coach Chelsea even recently why couldn;t he coach us again? Familiar to some of the players knows australian football and the setup. Seems like a good choice for me, albeit just for another contract job.

I thought he had retired but it might be worth asking him. 

Ante Milicicic

Vitezslav Lavicka

What experienced, quality foreign coach would want to come to Australia and get crucified by Football illiterate bogans?... 

You can hardly do right here as a foreign coach. The only reason they respected Hiddink is because he played it smart. He came, qualified, played well and then LEFT BEFORE he could get trashed a couple of times in friendlies in France and Brazil (which is perfectly normal when a 50th ranked team travels to a top 10 Football nation, hence the reason why Ange hates playing friendlies AWAY against quality opposition)

A quality foreign coach would need a smart plan including exit strategy. Do the same as Hiddink: Come here, play well, then resign. There is no way he can experiment, by playing friendlies in Europe or South America or he WILL get 'osieck-ed'.

Bogans will ALWAYS overrate locals and underrate foreigners. That's in the bogan DNA. 
 
 

Postecoglou to Arnold would be a massive downgrade. Peoples memories are short but Arnold coached the NT before when we had even better cattle available and he was a massive flop. Good A league coach does not translate into good international coach, just like good A league player does not translate into good Socceroo. Dont think FFA should blow the bank and get somone Hiddink calibre, but ideally someone who can continue Ange's philopshy and not revert to bovine tactics like long ball and parking the bus.

Couldn't of said better myself. If Arnold gets the job it would break my heart.

I am not sure it is entirely correct to judge Arnold on that previous stint. He must have learnt since then and be a better coach.

there is no way that someone could actually get better at something after ten years of experience.