If the Government wants to seriously do something for the people and the homeless and the sick in Sydney then they should start by addressing the cost of living, particularly home and rental prices.

When I have friends in Japan paying a month what I do a week, I question the logic of working long hours in a shit job just to survive. I honestly cant see myself staying around in these conditions anyway but Sydney will always be my team and no matter where I am, if they have a home to be proud of and that helps them grow then I am happy. I honestly hope they do it right so that it becomes and asset to the public and eventually pays off. If they just build another nothing stadium that lasts 20 years then I will be sad.

Here's the two modes. 45,000 and then 30,000 capacity. That part is definitely a good idea and using the "revolutionary LED signage" should work well.

I still think just building it at 30k would make more sense, but at least if Sydney FC happens to grow into a much bigger club they will have a future-proof venue. Also will be a postiive thing if we ever bid for the world cup again. Still not good enough reasons IMO, but some positives.

There's also a Q&A here - they reckon they'll pay back the investment in 1 year. I reckon they're dreaming, but it's true that these sort of things do tend to pay for themselves after a while. https://www.sydneyfc.com/sites/syd/files/2017-11/Key%20partner%20stadium%20Q%26A%20.pdf?_ga=2.126552329.508187762.1511484459-1081634973.1507881993



Overall... bit of a joke. Bit of a crazy spend of money. But Allianz does need an upgrade, and you would never be able to really make it into a top class stadium without a total rebuild. And turning ANZ stadium into a rectangle will be great for football too. Sydney will have 3 top class rectangular stadiums. Probably means less money for any AFL stadiums in Sydney for a while, which is a good thing...

In regards to 'club mode' at the stadium I hope Sydney FC cap memberships to suit club mode. Build a demand for memberships and tickets.

At the end of the day it doesnt matter what they do with SFS as long as it doesn't affect the Homebush rebuild.

100%

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I think it is good that both stadiums will be built and good for the A-League.

I just want ANZ first as it is the Socceroos stadium.

The SFC guy though pffft

“We live in one of the greatest cities in the world and it is vital we have the sporting infrastructure to match.

“As reigning A-League Champions our players and members deserve world class facilities and this announcement will deliver on that.

“I am happy that this decision will benefit our club and football in this country in the long term and I look forward to great times ahead in our new home.”
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Those reasons dont stack up for me. 

There is no way that tv screen is big enough. 

Looks smaller than now

NSW plans for new $700m Allianz stadium to be half-empty

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NSW is planning for the likelihood that its new $700 million Allianz Stadium will be more than half-empty most of the time by designing it with an option for a cut-down seating plan.

NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian on Friday confirmed her government had torn up a plan by her predecessor Mike Baird and would knock down and rebuild Allianz Stadium at Moore Park in addition to ANZ Stadium at Sydney Olympic Park raising the total cost by $600 million to over $2 billion.

"This investment means we can compete on the world stage for events such as the FIFA Women's World Cup, the Rugby World Cup, and keep Sydney as the number one sporting destination, Ms Berejiklian said.

But given crowds at Allianz from club rugby union, NRL and A-League are well below capacity, NSW plans to rebuild Allianz with two seating plans: a championship mode for the full 45,000-seat capacity and a "club" mode for only 30,000 where the upper stands will be blocked by a large advertising and information screen.

The decision to spend the extra $600 million knocking down and rebuilding the 29-year old stadium has been attacked by the Opposition as a waste of the one-off windfall from selling the state's electricity network. But it is a major victory for the Sydney Cricket Ground Trust ,and its well connected board including broadcaster Alan Jones, which controls the Allianz site and resented Mr Baird's decision last year to allocate only about $100 million for a cosmetic refurbishment.

Businessman Tony Shepherd, the SCG Trust chairman, welcomed the decision but only named three events which would require the championship mode: a Wallabies Test match, the annual NRL's Anzac Day Cup and the A-League's Sydney Derby which occurs once or twice a year.

Allianz will face stiff competition from ANZ Stadium, which is in the sporting heartland in Sydney's west and will have better facilities including a roof that will give it a "lock" on the concert market, according to one promoter.

Football Federation Australia chief executive David Gallop said he considered redevelopment of ANZ Stadium to be particularly important because there were big stadiums in other Australian cities and Sydney needed a big rectangular stadium of its own.

Mr Berejiklian also confirmed she would knock down the existing 45,000 seat Allianz stadium in November next year just before the 2019 election, which will prevent ALP reconsidering the government's plan if it wins the next election.

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NSW Government reveals reasoning behind knocking down of Olympic and Sydney Football stadiums

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The New South Wales Government has revealed its multi-billion-dollar plan to demolish and rebuild the Olympic Stadium at Homebush and the Sydney Football Stadium at Moore Park.

It claims the state's sporting infrastructure was falling behind the rest of the country and the announcement will cement Sydney as Australia's number one event destination.

But some members of Cabinet, and other stakeholders, are concerned about the blueprint - particularly given the Olympic Stadium is less than two decades old.

When will work start and finish?

The Sydney Football Stadium will be rebuilt as a 45,000-seat venue. Work at the site will start next year with completion expected by 2021.

Construction on the Olympic Stadium will begin in 2019 before the new venue is opened in 2022. The rectangular stadium, described as the "crowning jewel" of Sydney's sporting venues, will have a capacity of 75,000 people.

Asked whether it would have a retractable roof, Sports Minister Stuart Ayres said the Government still needed to assess whether it would stack up financially.

How much will it all cost?

The Government has estimated the cost of replacing the Sydney Football Stadium at $705 million, and the Olympic Stadium at $1.25 billion, subject to a tendering process.

That figure does not include about $300 million to rebuild Parramatta Stadium or the $200 million spent buying back the Olympic Stadium lease, bringing the total cost of the package to about $2.5 billion.

It is significantly higher than the $1.6 billion package first unveiled by former premier Mike Baird in 2016.

Why is the Olympic Stadium being knocked down?

The stadium at Homebush was purpose built for the 2000 Sydney Olympics at a cost of $690 million and has since played host to some of Australia's greatest sporting moments.

Originally designed for 110,000 spectators, it was later reconfigured to a reduced capacity of 83,500.

Premier Gladys Berejiklian thinks it is approaching its used-by date.

"By the time we start construction it would be nearly 20 years old and that was built for an Olympics, it wasn't built for modern, global events and it wasn't built for spectators," she said.

That claim has drawn criticism from former Labor premier Bob Carr, who oversaw the construction of the venue.

"If anyone had said when we made the commitment to Olympic facilities that in the case of the big stadium it would be there for only 17 years and a new one would have to be built, people wouldn't have believed us," he said.

What about the Sydney Football Stadium (SFS)?

Sport Minister Mr Ayres said the SFS had come to the end of its life and it was now only "borderline safe".

He said it also lacked enough female toilets and seats for disabled fans.

"I am not going to be a Sports Minister that locks out women and people with a disability from coming to experience the best sport and entertainment here in NSW," he said.

Both Opposition Leader Luke Foley and Sydney Lord Mayor Clover Moore have criticised the decision, arguing the Moore Park venue does not host the state's biggest games and therefore does not need an overhaul.

What does it mean for the major sports?

The package includes a deal to keep the NRL grand final in NSW for the next 25 years.

In 2020, when both stadiums are under construction, the event will be held at the Sydney Cricket Ground instead.

In 2021 and 2022 it will be played at the SFS before returning to the Olympic Stadium in 2023.

NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg welcomed the announcement, saying it was a "momentous day" for players and fans.

The Sydney Cricket Ground Trust, which controls the SFS, said the plan was "common sense" and without the extra investment the venue would have shut down.

The plan has also been applauded by organisations including Rugby Australia, Football Federation Australia and Cricket NSW.

Mr Ayres said the Government would work with the tenants of both existing venues to find alternative locations while they are under construction.

What will be the political fallout?

The decision-making process up until this point has been messy and the Premier will be hoping the new announcement puts an end to it.

While she insists the plan has broad Government support, it is understood several ministers expressed concerns about the cost during a recent "robust" Cabinet meeting.

Mr Foley is already looking to use the issue to his political advantage, arguing that while the Olympic Stadium rebuild is needed, the work at the SFS is a waste of money.

"I've always said west before east because that's where the people are," he said yesterday.

He will try to make the issue a point of difference in the run up to the 2019 state election.

Oi FIFA fark off this is Straya

wait wait wait dont go...... give us da cup ya farks

And yet all and sundry swore black and blue at FIFA calling them corrupt!
This is the biggest rort of public money I’ve ever seen...

An Olympic stadium built less than 20 years ago, needs to get knocked down and rebuilt? Really?
Is there no other way that they can fix that place without a knock down?

I’ve been to Allianz a few times. The place is a hole, the worst design for a football stadium that I’ve ever seen, and I’ve been to a few.
Also, it’s not the easiest place to get to from within Sydney and it’s surrounding areas.
Sydney FC won’t be complaining about a brand new stadium, but how about better access to the place?
This whole thing just doesn’t make sense...

The only part I’m happy about, is that this whole thing is a slap in the face to the AFL who wanted to keep ANZ available for their games.
However, they’ve already cleaned up about $100m from this whole fiasco, so they’re doing just fine.

ALP puts Sydney’s stadium rebuild in doubt

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Mr Foley said as far as he was concerned “everything is on the table” after the government agreed with sporting codes to start a $705 million knockdown and rebuild of Allianz Stadium at Moore Park next year ahead of the 2019 rebuild of ANZ Stadium at Olympic Park.

“They are banking on me saying I’ll still build Olympic Park; I’ve got to think about that,” Mr Foley said.

“The NRL said the Olympic Stadium was a priority, and I and (former premier) Mike Baird agreed with that. But if the NRL now says it’s a second-tier priority (after Allianz), all bets are off, everything’s on the table.”

With the $200m the government spent on buying ANZ from a private operator and the $360m spent on the new Parramatta Stadium, the government’s stadium spending has reached $2.5 billion.

The Weekend Australian understands there are plans to upgrade as many as five regional stadiums, with an announcement expected in weeks on upgrades at Wagga, Dubbo, Tamworth, Bathurst and Coffs Harbour.

Sports Minister Stuart Ayres also did not rule out yesterday a new indoor sports stadium that the government had previously promised.

Announcing the ANZ and ­Allianz rebuilds yesterday, Premier Gladys Berejiklian said: “Today is a great day for major sporting and other cultural events here in NSW. I know much has been said by the opposition about this spend — I say to them and the people of this great state, over the same period we’re spending more than $200bn on health and education.”

Under the plan, the new ­Allianz Stadium will be rebuilt from next year to 2021, ANZ will be rebuilt from 2019 to 2022, and the NRL grand final will remain in Sydney for 25 years.

The SCG will host the 2020 NRL grand final, with the game at Allianz in 2021 and 2022, and ANZ from 2023 to 2044.

“I will not stand for those naysayers ... who thought it was easier not to do anything,” the Premier said. “Yes it is easier not to do anything but where does that leave your citizens, and the ability to generate the heart and soul of our state?”

SCG Trust chairman Tony Shepherd said the trust had been faced with closing Allianz from 2019 because of safety concerns had the rebuild not occurred.

Mr Ayres said the stadium was deficient in providing disabled ­facilities and had a lack of female toilets.

The government has not committed to a retractable roof at the new ANZ Stadium but Mr Ayres said it would be built if the economics added up.

NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg and Mr Ayres foreshadowed more rugby league matches at Allianz and fewer on suburban grounds. The stadium’s present tenants are Sydney FC, Sydney Roosters and the Waratahs.

“In the period after the Sydney Olympics, NSW fell to the back of the pack. We became the last state when it came to sport and entertainment infrastructure. Every other major capital city has ­invested in its sporting facilities except NSW,” Mr Ayres said.

ALP puts Sydney’s stadium rebuild in doubt

Ridiculous costs. Imagine what 1 billion directly invested into football could do 

Have the SCG trust retained the 100m long rugby union in goal areas to ensure nobody but the boys club would be caught dead watching their sport there?

There is no way around it really. 

A solution can be to have the stands behind the goals raised, not like NFL, but a few metres higher than the pitch. But it isnt like that in the proposal.  A raised stands also allows extra sponsor space. 

I guess if the league becomes free SFC may have the chance to sell more digital advertising on the space behing the league sponsors in the future. Instead of just having green space.

Sydney stadiums saga: City risks falling behind on sporting infrastructure

 

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Sydney is about to get pantsed by AFL

Hopefully the plans and contracts for Homebush are set in stone by the time the SFS projects blows out or Luke Foley tries to fuck with things.

They are about to be pantsed by money. The government is catering for it's contingencies, surprise, surprise, because for all the talk, AFL is just not that popular in Sydney.

You're talking about the state that signed contracts to build the sydney metro, then the next government paid half a billion to the developers not to build it.

These guys love stuffing money in to a howitzer.

I am just laughing at Roy Masters claim that the light rail will solve the traffic/access issues at Moore park.

It won't "solve" issues but it will make it easier to get there and will drastically improve the game day experience.

This is 100% a good thing (though I'm still upset they're cutting the capacity of ANZ). $3 billion does sound a lot, but it's not like they're taking food away from the homeless to do it. It's money they would otherwise spend on an upgrade of a park in Goulburn or the beautification of the Bathurst racetrack. Instead they're spending it on sporting infrastructure that will be particularly useful for football. Plus it's a public fuck you to AFL. Why be so glum about it? 

Maybe a couple of trams will carry the SFC game day crowds but I'm talking about the CCM grand final turnouts!

Is it just be or do the designs for Allianz and ANZ look really similar.